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From: lorien@mhuxn.UUCP (CONWAY)
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Subject: Re: _Star_Wars_  (spoiler)
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Date: Mon, 1-Jul-85 13:07:26 EDT
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> > 
> > 
> >                            _Star_Wars_
> > 
> >                         by Kelvin Thompson
> > 
> >  _Star_Wars_, yet another entry in the recent spate of "Space Operas," is
> >  a bad, morally empty movie.  Look, quick!!  It has lights!!  It has
> >  zooming spaceships!!  It has laser flashes!!  It has explosions!!  Look
> >  closer, and it has nothing.
> 
> Star Wars is a FANTASY-Adventure, that just happens to take place
> "a long time ago, in a Galaxy far, far away".  At this it is Excelent!
> As for value, I recall that it won an Oscar. (Not bad for what you call
> a worthless movie, especially considering that most critics would agree
> with you!)
> 	Why to people expect *MUCH* more from a movie in space?  (See a
> previous posting about Battlestar Galactiac posted to net.startrek)
> 
> 	Look at how much is made off of James Bond movies....Do they have
> any deep meaning, or new and original plot lines?  Are they less 
> predictable?
> 	I happen to *LIKE* special effects, and I agree that removeing them
> all would detract from the movie, but what would you have if you
> made "Raiders" with 20 year old techniqes?
> >  any semblance of realism.  The spaceships make swishing and humming
> >  noises as they maneuver about, and their lasers make zapping noises as
> >  they fire -- all despite the fact that it has been scientifically proven
> >  that there are absolutely no sounds in space.  
> 
> cuz it's a fantacy-adventure in space.  The *BIGGEST* tech. flaw that
> can't be labled as "artistic licence is the personality of the robots,
> but I LIKE them cuz it's a *FUN* movie, not a serious movie like
> "Breakfast Club" or "The Big Chill" both of which were a bit boring!
> 
> >  
> >  In another gaffe later in the movie, a robot supposedly manages to go up
> >  and down a staircase, even though it is quite obvious that it is
> >  structurally impossible for the robot to do so.  
> 
> C3PO is no prob...R2D2 is a tri-ped, and he can extend his fore limb
> (he rolled down an incline with is "body" vertical, not normal to the
>  inclne)  so he/she/it should beable to navigate stairs, thou not without
> considerable difficulty.
> 
> >  
> >  More important than any scientific error, however, is the glaring lack of
> >  any moral statement.
> ---see abobe----
> >  For example, when Hammill, the supposed hero of the movie, sees the
> >  burned corpses of his parents, he responds by turning his head sideways. 
> 
> NO!  They are his Aunt and Uncle!  He hated them, there farm, and that
> 	whole planet!!  (Besides, real men don't cry!)  There death was
> a predictable, and convenient way to get him to go with Obi Wan.
> 
> >  No tears, no shouts of outrage, just a crick in the neck and they are
> >  forgotten. 
> 
> Quoting from the script (after the hologram-messages, and just after
> 	the destroyed jawa droid selling thing):
> Luke: if they traced the robots here, they may have learned who they 
> 	sold them to.  And that would lead them back Home!
> Luke reaches a sudden horrible realization, then races for the speeder and 
> jumps in.
> BEN: Wait, Luke!  It's too dangerous.
> luke races off leaving ben and the robots...gets home...
> Luke stumbles around in a daze looking for his aunt and uncle.
> Suddenly he cones upon their smoldering reamins.  He is stunned, and 
> cannot speak,  Hate replaced fear and a new resolve come over him.
> ---end quote---
> it is common for one to not realize the full implication of a death
> especially a sudden and violent death imeadeatly.  This is normal
> psycology.
> 
> >  Nonetheless, parents should make
> >  every effort to keep their children away from this morally bankrupt movie
> >  and direct them toward a film which takes a useful stand on some of the
> >  issues facing our world.  And, naturally, all ethical adults should stay 
> >  well away from it themselves.
> >  
> Bull!  SW is good clean fun! It also has a clear image of good and evil.
> It shows a kid become a man, and even if you were right, that it had
> totaly no social value, I'd still go see it 10 times just for the effects.
> 
> There is nothing wrong with 1) good entertanment (Sometimes I hate sorries that
> try TOO HARD to make a statement!  That detracts!)
> and 2) technology for the sake of tecnology!  (read: good movie effects)
> 
> flame back to sw (I don't read movies)
> 
> ------John Wardale  --  Madison, Wisconsin
> 
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> 
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Way to go, John!