Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 UW 5/3/83; site uw-june Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!mtunh!mtung!mtunf!ariel!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!uw-june!gordon From: gordon@uw-june (Gordon Davisson) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: A new voice. (predictions) Message-ID: <46@uw-june> Date: Fri, 12-Jul-85 09:30:45 EDT Article-I.D.: uw-june.46 Posted: Fri Jul 12 09:30:45 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 13-Jul-85 12:50:31 EDT References: <2156@ut-sally.UUCP> <347@scgvaxd.UUCP> <300@azure.UUCP> <350@scgvaxd.UUCP> Organization: U of Washington Computer Science Lines: 32 >[Dan Boskovich] >The variations within species are predicted by the creation model. Not in its orignal form. They've been kluged in by borrowing from evolutionary theory so as to allow horizontal evolution, like moth wings changing color to adapt to trees darkened by pollution, but not (for some reason) vertical evolution. Also, the distinction between the two seems to be clear only to creationists, and even they disagree about where the boundary is. What is really strange is that the one thing a lot of creationists do agree on here is that vertical evolution involves mutations acted on by natural selection, but horizontal evolution is just natural selection acting on pre-existing genetic variation. Then Dan (and he's not the only one) goes on to say: >It has been stated that N.S. predicts everything, therefore it predicts >nothing. Which, of course, means that creation doesn't predict that moths will adapt to dark wood, or that insects will develop immunities to insecticides, or that dogs will develop so much in-species variation. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Of course, after however many thousands of years it's been, dogs are still dogs. And after 20 million years, all of the apes are still apes, right? And after (what is it, 100?) million years, all the mammals are still mammals, right? And after... Anyway, you get the idea. And ah, where to draw the line... -- Human: Gordon Davisson ARPA: gordon@uw-june.ARPA UUCP: {ihnp4,decvax,tektronix}!uw-beaver!uw-june!gordon