Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sdcsla.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!bellcore!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcsla!west From: west@sdcsla.UUCP (Larry West) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Gee, where are they?? Message-ID: <919@sdcsla.UUCP> Date: Fri, 28-Jun-85 05:21:58 EDT Article-I.D.: sdcsla.919 Posted: Fri Jun 28 05:21:58 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 1-Jul-85 08:06:12 EDT References: <2845@decwrl.UUCP> Reply-To: west@sdcsla.UUCP (Larry West) Organization: UC San Diego: Institute for Cognitive Science Lines: 62 Summary: Where they belong, of course. ( Is anybody besides me reading Ken's articles anymore? I stopped ) ( reading most of the newsgroups he posts to last year, just started ) ( in net.politics again. No one else seems to be responding to him, ) ( and I'm wondering whether this is because he always says the same ) ( things, and poorly, or has everyone just decided that he brings ) ( nothing positive to any discussion? ) In article <2845@decwrl.UUCP> arndt@lymph.WRIST writes:-> > >Where are the condemnations in the press or in the net of the: > > - LEFT wing death squads in El Salvador > > - The killings of PLO women and children in their camps > by the non-Israeli supported arabs Try the New York Times for one. I don't think anyone needs to be told that death squads are bad. The point of stressing the Reagan-sponsored terrorism in Nicaragua is that: 1) The administration seriously misrepresents the situation; E.g., Mr. Reagan has made a public pronouncement to the effect that the United States is directly threatened by Nicaragua. This indicates he either is very deluded, or he is trying to delude the the citizens of the U.S. 2) The administration has been ignoring the efforts of the Catholic Church and the Contadora group. 3) The U.S. is shooting itself in the foot politically. Do you think the U.S. can treat Latin-American attempts at self-determination so callously without some long-term repurcussions? More to the presumed point of your article, the people in the "leftist death squads" in El Salvador are not going to listen to us (whether or not they're directed by Nicaragua or the USSR or merely by their own beliefs). We pay, train, and arm the terrorists in Nicaragua -- which means we have some control over their actions. As for the strife in Lebanon, I take it you are complaining about the relative quiet compared to Israel's invasion? The reason is that the U.S. has a large influence on Israel's policies. (No, Israel does not always do what the U.S. wants -- that's not what I said.) We have no influence whatsoever on either side in the present (recent?) Lebanese conflict. It's bad business, but what's the point of going on about it if you can't do anything? >Gee, is there a message here??! Naaaaaaa. Yeah, there is a message. The message is to discuss those issues which are relevant to the readers/discussants. >Regards, > >Ken Arndt -- Larry West Institute for Cognitive Science (USA+619-)452-6220 UC San Diego (mailcode C-015) [x6220] ARPA:La Jolla, CA 92093 U.S.A. UUCP: {ucbvax,sdcrdcf,decvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!sdcsla!west OR ulysses!sdcsla!west