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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: rape and other assorted stuff
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Date: Thu, 27-Jun-85 11:54:58 EDT
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> From Clayton Cramer, quoting Sunny@sun:
> > > That's right... the 100 lb weakling with her arms pinned against the asphalt
> > > by the 200 lb guy who's got his weight over her so she can't move them at all.
> > > Why are we still going around in circles?  There IS no defense in many cases.
> > > The only way to end rape is for all the bigger more dominant men in the
> > > world to recognize the simple fact that they haven't got the right to do that
> > > to women.  Men have to respect women, and stop treating them like 2nd class
> > > citizens.  The point is that rape is not a women's issue.  Women have very
> > > little to do or say about it, because WOMEN CAN NEVER STOP RAPE!
> > > Only MEN can STOP RAPE-ing.  Women don't have the strength nor power to stop it.
> > >                               Sunny
> 
> > Gee, Sunny, I think you need to keep up with rapidly improving technology.
> > Samuel Colt perfected a high-tech device just last century which makes a
> > 100 pound weakling (regardless of sex) the equal of a 200 pound ogre.  It's
> > called a firearm.  Go ahead!  Improve the species!  Scatter whatever it is
> > that a rapist keeps in his brain cavity all over the sidewalk!
> >
> >        "God made men --- Col. Colt made them equal."
>         
> That's right, Clayton.  Carry a gun so that the 200lb guy can blow you
> away after he finishes with you.  What you gun-loving folks seem to
> ignore is the fact that it takes a free hand and a bit of elbow room,
> not to mention some time to aim.  The chances of you managing to pull
> out a gun and shoot someone who is attempting to--and capable of--
> physically overwhelming you is a lot smaller than the chance that
> they'll wrest the gun away from you first.  Why arm your assailant
> if they aren't armed already?
> 
> 		-Ed Hall
> 		decvax!randvax!edhall

This is inconsistent.  If you need "time to aim", the rapist is far enough
away that you still have "a free hand and a bit of elbow room"; if he's
close enough to be a threat to you bare handed, you need no time to aim.
Also, I doubt most rapists would continue an attack against someone who
demonstrates a capability and willingness to kill.

Rape and other violent crimes are deterred almost daily in this country
by the use of firearms; news accounts of such actions are quite common.