Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site ihdev.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxj!mhuxn!ihnp4!ihdev!rjv From: rjv@ihdev.UUCP (ron vaughn) Newsgroups: net.music Subject: Re: net.music.fans? Message-ID: <266@ihdev.UUCP> Date: Fri, 5-Jul-85 21:20:02 EDT Article-I.D.: ihdev.266 Posted: Fri Jul 5 21:20:02 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 7-Jul-85 05:08:10 EDT References: <4604@mit-eddie.UUCP> Reply-To: rjv@ihdev.UUCP (55224-R. J. Vaughn) Distribution: net.music Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 85 Summary: In article <4604@mit-eddie.UUCP> nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) writes: > Because there are always >going to be thick-headed intolerant people in the world, I think that a >new newsgroup called "net.music.fans" should be created. i assume you are talking about yourself here. you are a thick-headed intolerant asshole, and have proved it many times recently. when someone comes back and says they don't like KB, you get so upset and rant and rave about "awww, did it hurt your widdle delicate ears" etc. etc. people are saying stuff like "greatest album ever" about 'the dreaming.' get serious. for all we know in 10 years no one (except for a few thousand hold outs) will even know who kb is. she has NOT stood the test of time, so quite acting like she has. all of this talk about what a talent she is sounds like "fans" dribbling on about madonna. some kind of irony here, huh? kb has not stood the test of time AT ALL. she is, by "greatest album ever" standards still a flash in the pan. come back to me in 10, 20 years and tell me what she's doing, who's listening to her music. the bottom line is, put her in a room with her stupid little synth. and recording studio or whatever, and then put j.s. bach on the other side with a piano. then play a little game of "show your stuff". kb will hit a few keys and here synth. will make all kinds of music and she'll sing her wonderful deep meaning lyrics and bach will nod his head and appreciate and take it in. what kb has done is about 50% engineering -- three keys on her synth, and she has a full horn section backing her up. bach will then turn to the piano, and "hit it". kb's mouth will kind of hang open, and if she knows 1/2 as much about music as you bushies think she does, she will be in awe of a true, timeless muscian. **** warning, fundamental truth of the world, important line, pay heed*** SHE WILL NEVER BE AS IMPORTANT OR GOOD OR TALENTED AS BACH. NEVER. come back and tell me she will be and i won't even give you the courtesy of a "go to hell" -- it will be self evident. i use bach as a specific example that i doubt anyone will argue with, but it applies to many other musicians in many disciplines of music. come back with the "could bach do what she does??" arguement and i'll laugh in your face. her muscial talent is a subset, a *small* subset of a true virtuoso musician. that's just about says it all for me. what pisses people off is you talk about kb on such incredible terms, yet it is nothing more than michael jackson fandom with a female jackson. she is NOT THAT GREAT. can't you people understand she has stuck a chord in you (no pun intended) and you are flowering her with praise and praise well beyond her worth?? she is NOT the most different, unique, new, fresh, inspired, wonderfull, "plays her *OWN* music" musician in the world. she is *very* tame and structured (boring??...) compared to a good avant-garde jazz musician. just becuase i don't like her doesn't mean i'm a bubble-gum top 40 lover. is this making any sense, alan? we don't mind you liking (lusting, wet-dreaming??) over kb, but at least realize you are acting like an ass about it. you have given kb something of a bad name now. when i think of her i think of what an asshole you acted like when someone said they didn't like her. i didn't like her, so i took your comments as coming at me also. can i yell at you for not liking my music now?? huh? huh? can i be an intolerent jerk too?? can i pick some stuff that "will hurt your tender bushed ears", ears used to simple melodies and kb's predictable style and "pop" lyrics that you probably don't have the slightest idea what she is really writing about? huh? huh? /* i'm taunting you, doug alan. i figure you're a child enough to fall for this, we'll see!! */ summary: come back in 10 years and tell me what kb is up to. by then she will have survived one half second on the big clock of the "greatest ablum ever" scale, and will see how she's holding up. until then, realize where she realistically stands in the world of music, and specifically to you, doug alan, don't act like such a large asshole. go back to being a normal size asshole. ron vaughn ...!ihnp4!ihdev!rjv ps: doug, just to get you upset, i'll let you in on what i said the first time someone asked me what i thought of 'the dreaming.' "it's....ok. nothing too exciting. she is a looker though. if i came by and she were tied to a tree i'd probably cut her free(!!) after having my way with her." that's what i think of kb, and you can rest assured you helped me form this opinion of her. pps: all spelling/grammar errors inserted by "cat kb_sucks | typo > kb_sucks_with_typos". typo(1). use it.