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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Make vs. Rape
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Date: Fri, 5-Jul-85 12:09:05 EDT
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Posted: Fri Jul  5 12:09:05 1985
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> 
> > More seriously, the phrasing of the question is *REAL* important.
> > If the word "rape" was used, I find the statistic hard to believe.
> > If the phrase "make the woman have sex with you"...
> >                      ...this is quite different.
> 
> I know this is several weeks old, but would someone explain to me the
> difference between "making someone have sex" and "rape"...I thought that
> rape is "making" someone have sex...
> 
> Nancy Parsons
> AT&T ISL

Being the original poster, let me clarify what I meant.  "Rape" means to
use force or the threat of force (plus a few other special cases for
unconsciousness); "make the woman have sex with you" *can* include 
annoying ("have sex with me, or I'll say nasty things about you", 
whining ("please, please"), attempting to provoke guilt ("if you don't
have sex with me, all the money I spent on dinner is wasted").  These
are all real tacky and disgusting things to do, but they aren't rape,
and they are probably not criminal matters.