Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mnetor.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!sophie From: sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) Newsgroups: can.politics,net.women Subject: Re: Re: egg/chicken chicken/egg chigg/eckin Message-ID: <1241@mnetor.UUCP> Date: Tue, 9-Jul-85 15:40:07 EDT Article-I.D.: mnetor.1241 Posted: Tue Jul 9 15:40:07 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 9-Jul-85 16:37:11 EDT References: <893@mnetor.UUCP> <5642@utzoo.UUCP> <896@mnetor.UUCP> <2102@watcgl.UUCP> <1127@ubc-cs.UUCP> <2128@watcgl.UUCP> Organization: Computer X (CANADA) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario, Canada Lines: 25 Xref: utcs can.politics:649 net.women:6338 > > I do not see how direct discrimination and suppression results in this > > wage gap. The way I see it women have the same choices that exist for > > When society : 1) decreases someones selfrespect; 2) continually tells > them that certain positions/jobs are not for them (cause it's mens work); > 3) continually tells them that certain kinds of knowledge/abilities > (such as mechanical knowhow and mathematical reasoning) are beyond > their capacities; etc. etc. > > Then it is a lot easier to convince them, as well, that: 1) they are > lucky to have any kind of job so they better not complain if conditions > are poor and pay is low; 2) that they shouldn't even expect to have > a job/career that is rewarding since their primary goal should be to > get married; 3) that it is their responsibility to find a man to > support them and so their wages need not be adequate to support themselves > in reasonable style; 4) there is no point in going on to a higher > education since they are not really equipped for it; and 5) if they do > want a higher education that they should stay out of science and > similar technical areas since they are really not equipped for it. Thank you John. Some times being able to distance oneself emotionally does help one's argument a lot. -- Sophie Quigley {allegra|decvax|ihnp4|linus|watmath}!utzoo!mnetor!sophie