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From: roy@gitpyr.UUCP (Roy Mongiovi)
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Subject: Re: Women/men and the consumption of toilet paper
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Date: Mon, 24-Jun-85 16:19:38 EDT
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> I have no argument with your idea of treating people as people. However, 
> in your statement about your gonads poking you in the chest, you have almost
> totally destroyed whatever credibility your other ideas might have had. 
> What makes you think that girls don't have strong physical reactions to the 
> sight of aesthetically pleasing men? Girls get horny too, and just because 
> dont have an obvious visible physical reaction doesnt mean we dont have the
> same desires. But the excuse that your gonads made you do it is immature and
> childish, and criminal if your subsequent actions are rape. Your horniness 
> does not give you the right to tell me what I can and cannot wear. Nor does 
> it give you the right or the privelege to relieve yourself with anyone who
> isn't willing. Most men over the emotional age of 12 have the self-control
> necessary to live from day to day. Why is sex assumed to be exempt from this?

My credibility has been gone for years, why else would I be posting to this
ridiculous female-chauvinist (to coin a phrase) newsgroup?  In the past I have
been told (by this very newsgroup) that I cannot call a female a "girl" even
though I find that term more attractive than "woman" because the female I
call a girl might be offended and cannot take the time to realize that I am
not being condescending about it.  Fine.  The moral of that story is that I
am supposed to curb my speech because of the way other people might interpret
it.  Now you turn right around and say that it isn't the woman's fault if a
man misinterprets the way she dresses.  Am I the only one in the world that
this seems inconsistant to?

When I go walking the streets of Atlanta at 11pm, I DO NOT dress up in my best
clothes because that is a sign to muggers that I'm a good choice for a roll.
Ignoring the fact that it is wrong for him to mug me, it is STUPID for me to
dress in a fashion that invites a mugging.  The fact that I am more comfortable
in those clothes has nothing to do with it.  Rape may be absolutely the worst
crime on the earth (and you won't hear me argue about that), but if the woman
dresses in a fashion that broadcasts that fact that she is desirable, she at
least should accept that she attracted the rape by her manner of dress.  Your
life is yours to live as you see fit, but if you play with knives you will get
cut.
-- 
Roy J. Mongiovi.	Office of Computing Services.		User Services.
Georgia Institute of Technology.	Atlanta GA  30332.	(404) 894-6163
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