Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 alpha 4/15/85; site fear.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!decwrl!greipa!pesnta!amd!amdcad!cae780!weitek!fear!robert From: robert@fear.UUCP (Robert Plamondon) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Re: My first posting to this group. Message-ID: <210@fear.UUCP> Date: Fri, 21-Jun-85 19:34:05 EDT Article-I.D.: fear.210 Posted: Fri Jun 21 19:34:05 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Jun-85 06:19:21 EDT References: <183@fear.UUCP> <331@ihlpa.UUCP> <1027@mnetor.UUCP> <166@ihlpl.UUCP> Organization: Weitek Corp. Sunnyvale Ca. Lines: 45 Summary: Say What? In article <166@ihlpl.UUCP>, zubbie@ihlpl.UUCP (Jeanette Zobjeck) writes: > My point (overstated perhaps ) has two ideas behind it. > > 1) At least for me personally I can not and will not concede that there > is a time to stop fighting for my self. Maybe this wont work for other > women - OK fine then strugle fight get the attacker really riled up > and then back off so he can do an even more thorough job on you. > > 2) Assume that you survive and the animal is caught, caged and brought > to trial. > Now comes the defence attorney: > Q Did you resist and make knwon to my client that you, in fact, did not > want to have sex with him. > A Yes. > > Q Did you not then eventually peacefully an of you own free will allow ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > my client to have sexual relations with you. > > A Yes but.. ^^^^^^^^^^ > > Thank you .... No more questions. > > > jeanette l. zobjeck > ihnp4!ihlpl!zubbie > The problem with this scenario is that the victim is lying on the witness stand (or horribly confused). Choosing to do something because you're going to be killed or maimed if you don't is neither "peaceful" nor "of your own free will." The appropriate term is "forced." The main point of the discussion is, I believe, whether it's best to stop fighting back when you realize that you're going to be killed if you continue. This ties in with the "better dead than raped" issue, and the more general "death before dishonor" attitude. Everyone gets to make up his/her own mind about these issues, but try not to forget that none of the strategies for living through an encounter with a rapist are guaranteed -- ALL of them go horribly wrong from time to time. Smug netters who say, "All you have to do is ________" don't know what they're talking about. -- -- Robert Plamondon {turtlevax, resonex, cae780}!weitek!robert