Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 2/6/85; site rocksvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!princeton!rocksvax!brenda From: brenda@rocksvax.UUCP (Brenda K. Joseph) Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers,net.movies Subject: RE: BACK TO THE FUTURE Message-ID: <1294@rocksvax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 15-Jul-85 17:18:38 EDT Article-I.D.: rocksvax.1294 Posted: Mon Jul 15 17:18:38 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 17-Jul-85 06:30:21 EDT Distribution: net Organization: Xerox: Henrietta, NY Lines: 43 Keywords: Letter, vest Xref: watmath net.sf-lovers:8668 net.movies:7038 **********This is a spoiler*********** (sorry I forgot to put this on my subject line. This is my first posting to the net.) If you look closely at the letter that the doc shows Marty in this future, you can easily see the yellowed tape and where the tears don't quite meet from him putting it back together after he tore it apart. I watched (twice) and he does put the letter in his pocket thirty years ago after tearing it up. He does NOT have the vest on before Marty goes back to the future. I sat through it twice the other day, after seeing it once previously. REgarding paradoxes: This movie traces a line, not a loop. The line is Marty's existence and his knowlede of events around him. Before he goes back in time, the world is as we know it and his world is as shown in the movie. While back in time, he changes certain events. For instance, Chuck Berry hears him playing Johnny B Goode. Had Marty never gone back in time, he would have learned it the same way he did in our own past. I believe the same logic resolves Doc and Marty meeting. They met without Marty going back, they will meet again (esp. since Doc now knows Marty). When Marty comes "back", the people around him are aware of the changes he has "caused" to the timeline, but he isn't. He hasn't lived through them. ***My only problem is -- what happens to the Marty that lived in this new universe up until the time the "original" Marty came back from the future? A friend recommended I read "Thrice Upon A Time". Apparently this has similar views and puts forth the theory that when Marty comes back from the past, the Marty that has been living in the "altered universe" ceases to exist. (I forget the author's name -- haven't had a chance to read it yet.) Brenda Joseph Xerox Corporation Arpanet: Joseph.Henr@Xerox.ARPA CSNet: Not sure "He's a peeping Tom....."