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From: mms1646@acf4.UUCP (Michael M. Sykora)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: (Re:**N) Affirmative Action
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Date: Sat, 6-Jul-85 21:09:00 EDT
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Posted: Sat Jul  6 21:09:00 1985
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>/* mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) /  3:23 pm  Jul  5, 1985 */

>I grow very tired of these ignorant, ivory-tower economic predictions.

Then stop making them! :-)

Seriously, when you call someone ignorant, it would be best if you
demonstrated that this is true.  Calling a prediction "ivory-tower"
says nothing about its merits and, therefore, does not seem to be of
any use here.

If you are so certain that there is a financial benefit to not discriminating,
go into a bigoted white neighborhood, build housing, announce (by word or
deed) that you're a "nigger lover" (they'll call you that), and that you
intend to outcompete them because of this pragmatism.

>You will very quickly see many of the mechanisms by which discrimination is
>reinforced despite market pressures.  The fact is that there are many forms
>of coercion besides market pressures, and postulating a libertarian society
>without coercion is as realistic as wishing away crime in our own society.
>Vandalism, arson, assault, and a variety of other hate (think Ku Klux Klan)
>are coercive realities that must be dealt with.

Market pressures are not coercion.

Such acts as you describe are already against the law.  What we need is tougher
enforcement.

>30 years of stronger government
>coercion has produced sudden and dramatic lifting of barriers, as a variety
>of history and occupational statistics show.

During the past 30 years great gains (and a few losses) in civil rights
have been made.  During that period, government has taken an active role
in promoting such rights (and, to a lesser extent, in attacking them).
From these facts alone, one cannot draw the conclusion that you have.

>Mike Huybensz		...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh

						Mike Sykora