Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site mhuxt.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mhuxt!js2j From: js2j@mhuxt.UUCP (sonntag) Newsgroups: net.books,net.sf-lovers Subject: Re: ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand Message-ID: <967@mhuxt.UUCP> Date: Tue, 25-Jun-85 16:58:53 EDT Article-I.D.: mhuxt.967 Posted: Tue Jun 25 16:58:53 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Jun-85 07:29:30 EDT References: <865@mtgzz.UUCP> <2096@sdcrdcf.UUCP> <705@ihlpg.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 21 Xref: watmath net.books:1986 net.sf-lovers:8174 > > Also, her point in the rough love-making is her creed that 'I live my life > for no one and ask no one to live for me.' (not an exact quote). I see > this as excluding tenderness and giving of pleasure to the other person; > rather, it's taking--exactly what is seen in THE FOUNTAINHEAD. Her creed (above) *doesn't* exclude tenderness and the giving of pleasure to the other person. People have been known to trade pleasure for pleasure or to find pleasure *in* giving pleasure. (to use a trivial example: while I don't live my life for my SO, I *do* enjoy rubbing her back, simply because I know she enjoys it so much.) This is certainly seen in 'Atlas Shrugged' and in 'The Fountainhead' (except for the first time the protagonists got together, of course.) One last thing: I really wouldn't call *any* of Ayn Rand's works SF, even 'Anthym'. Maybe something more like 'speculative social fiction'. -- Jeff Sonntag ihnp4!mhuxt!js2j "Well I've been burned before, and I know the score, so you won't hear me complain. Are you willing to risk it all, or is your love in vain?"-Dylan