Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site ihu1m.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!tektronix!hplabs!pesnta!phri!timeinc!vax135!houxm!ihnp4!ihu1m!ewf From: ewf@ihu1m.UUCP (Gene Foster) Newsgroups: net.sport.baseball Subject: Re: Personal vs. Team Glory (Gary Carter) Message-ID: <479@ihu1m.UUCP> Date: Fri, 28-Jun-85 08:20:25 EDT Article-I.D.: ihu1m.479 Posted: Fri Jun 28 08:20:25 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 15-Jul-85 03:15:41 EDT References: <367@petfe.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 47 > I was watching yesterday (June 26)'s Mets-Cubs game, where the Cubs won 7-3, > and Gary Carter came within 5 feet of hitting for the cycle. Unfortunately > the 5 feet was how much he was out by trying to stretch a single into a > double (what he needed to complete it) in the 9th inning. > > He was going out on a limb trying for that double, and he never should have, > but I think he wanted to hit for the cycle! He was (since he was out so easily) > putting his own interests first, and when he was out, it looked awful. > > The 2 questions I put forth for discussion are: was it (in your opinion) self- > serving? and is there any time in a game when it's ok to serve one's own > interests instead of the team's? > > I have an odd opinion of Carter. I think it's hard to dispute his playing > abilities. He is undisputably one of the best catchers in baseball. (Anyone > really want to argue that?) But (and I am an avid Mets fan!), I don't like > him. This grandstanding fits perfectly the image of Carter I have been pieceing > together all season. He talks (too) sincerely about the team's interests, and > all, but I somehow don't believe him. He smiles too much. Nobody is that > happy (not even a guy getting $1 million for playing a kid's game that he's > great at)! Before this incident I didn't feel really justified in that > distrust, it was just a gut feeling. But now, I can justify it. > > When the game ended, there were 2 on. If Carter had been content with a > single, Heep would have batted with 1 out and bases loaded (if I recall > right). They just might have pulled it out. Maybe not, but now we'll > never know. > > Anyway, here are 3 new discussions for the newsgroup that aren't trivia or > rules questions, and are more of a purist's kind of discussion. Have a good > time! > > --Evan Marcus > -- > {ucbvax|decvax}!vax135!petsd!petfe!evan > ...!pedsgd!pedsga!evan > > If this is foreplay, I'm a dead man. *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** In fact, Keith Hernandez of the Mets also shares your feelings. Hernandez and Carter never have got along. Keith was quite upset when Carter was obtained by the Mets. He has for years now stated that any team with Gary Carter on its roster, could never be a winner. gene foster ihu1m!ewf