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From: keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle)
Newsgroups: net.origins
Subject: Re: The Scientific Case for Creation: (Part 27)
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Date: Mon, 24-Jun-85 21:20:40 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jun 24 21:20:40 1985
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>       45.  No scientific theory  exists  to  explain  the  origin  of
>            matter,  space,  or time. Since each is intimately related
>            to or even defined in terms of the other,  a  satisfactory
>            explanation  for  the  origin of one must also explain the
>            origin of the others [a]. Naturalistic  explanations  have
>            completely failed.
>
No scientific theory exists to explain the origin of 
space, time, or GOD.  Since each is intimately related
to or even defined in terms of the other, a satisfactory 
explanation for the origin of one must also explain the
origin of the others.  Even non-naturalistic explanations
have completely failed.

>       46.  The First Law of  Thermodynamics  states  that  the  total
>            amount  of energy in the universe, or in any isolated part
>            of it, remains constant. This  law  states  that  although
>            energy (or its mass equivalent) can change form, it is not
>            now being created or destroyed. Countless experiments have
>            verified  this.  A  corollary  of  the  First  Law is that
>            natural  processes  cannot  create  energy.  Consequently,
>            energy  must  have  been  created  by some agency or power
>            outside of and independent of the natural universe.

a) Evolution is not in conflict with this.

b) 'some agency or power' does not HAVE to be outside of and independent
   of the natural universe, just outside of our present awareness.


>       48.  Heat always flows from hot bodies to cold bodies.  If  the
>            universe  were  infinitely old, the temperature throughout
>            the universe should be uniform. Since the  temperature  of
>            the   universe   is  not  uniform,  the  universe  is  not
>            infinitely old. Therefore, the universe  had  a  beginning

a) Evolution is not in conflict with this.

b) Here I must ask a question of the physicists on the net.  I've heard
of theories that propose that eventually matter may re-compress into 
a giant black hole after a very long time, and perhaps causing another
'big bang', indicating that the universe explodes and collapses over and
over.  I'd like to hear more about the present state of these and related
theories if anyone out there knows more.

>       49.  A further consequence of the Second Law is that  when  the
>            universe  began,  it was in a more organized state than it
>            is today--not in a highly disorganized state as assumed by
>            evolutionists and proponents of the Big Bang Theory.

Again, this has zip to do with evolution.  And, I'm not sure it really
has anything to do with present 'origin of universe' theories.

Keith Doyle
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