Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.16 $; site ISM780B.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!mcnc!decvax!yale!ISM780B!jim From: jim@ISM780B.UUCP Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Re: Premises,Premises,Premises,... ( Message-ID: <27500083@ISM780B.UUCP> Date: Sat, 22-Jun-85 23:45:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ISM780B.27500083 Posted: Sat Jun 22 23:45:00 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 30-Jun-85 00:35:13 EDT References: <809@teddy.UUCP> Lines: 17 Nf-ID: #R:teddy:-80900:ISM780B:27500083:000:797 Nf-From: ISM780B!jim Jun 22 23:45:00 1985 >What about the Hell's angels. >Their morality seems >to be based on doing what is 'bad'. No, their morality (at least as distorted by the media; did you ever *meet* a Hell's Angel?) seems to be based on what you consider bad. Hell's angels consider various forms of conformity with society's norms as bad; they consider choppers, macho, beer drinking, carrying knifes, fighting for their honor, tattoos, and donating tons of children's toys as good. If they say, "yeah, he's really baaaad", they consider being "baaaad" as good, but they don't consider bad (as defined within their own morality) as being good (as defined within their own morality). That is why you had to put `bad' in quotes. The mistake comes from giving what *you* think is `bad' special status. -- Jim Balter (ima!jim)