Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site spar.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!decvax!decwrl!spar!baba From: baba@spar.UUCP (Baba ROM DOS) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Libertarians in Space Message-ID: <390@spar.UUCP> Date: Thu, 11-Jul-85 03:32:02 EDT Article-I.D.: spar.390 Posted: Thu Jul 11 03:32:02 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 13-Jul-85 10:39:46 EDT References: <446@qantel.UUCP> <454@qantel.UUCP> <293@kontron.UUCP> <377@spar.UUCP> <322@kontron.UUCP> <384@spar.UUCP> <344@kontron.UUCP> Organization: Schlumberger Palo Alto Research, CA Lines: 26 > There are many motivations besides self-interest and greed --- but there > are no so certain (sic) to be present in almost all people, almost all the > time. The socialists assume that most people will look out for the interests > of the society as a whole; libertarians assume that most people will > look out for their own interests. > > Clayton Cramer I took "socialist" to be used in the sense of antithesis to libertarianism, as it has been used more-or-less interchangeably with "statist" in previous libertarian nhetoric. However, in view of your later explanation: > Good point. Let me clarify. The Soviet Union (and a lot of other > socialists, including the ones who find the Soviet Union embarrassing) > maintain that the capitalist system has created self-interested > individuals, rather than a True Socialist Man. They believe that by > creating a society in which self-interest in not rewarded, that people > will become less self-interested, and more collective-interested. It is clear that you were contrasting libertarianism with utopian Marxism. Since none of us who have posted objections to libertarianism has argued from such a Lysenkoist perspective, I'm somewhat puzzled as to why you brought it up. Baba