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Subject: Re: ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand
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Date: Tue, 25-Jun-85 16:58:53 EDT
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> 
> Also, her point in the rough love-making is her creed that 'I live my life
> for no one and ask no one to live for me.' (not an exact quote).  I see
> this as excluding tenderness and giving of pleasure to the other person;
> rather, it's taking--exactly what is seen in THE FOUNTAINHEAD.

      Her creed (above) *doesn't* exclude tenderness and the giving of
pleasure to the other person.  People have been known to trade pleasure
for pleasure or to find pleasure *in* giving pleasure.  (to use a trivial
example:  while I don't live my life for my SO, I *do* enjoy rubbing her
back, simply because I know she enjoys it so much.)  This is certainly
seen in 'Atlas Shrugged' and in 'The Fountainhead' (except for the first
time the protagonists got together, of course.)
       One last thing:  I really wouldn't call *any* of Ayn Rand's works
SF, even 'Anthym'.  Maybe something more like 'speculative social fiction'.
-- 
Jeff Sonntag
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   "Well I've been burned before, and I know the score,
    so you won't hear me complain.
    Are you willing to risk it all, or is your love in vain?"-Dylan