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From: mms1646@acf4.UUCP (Michael M. Sykora)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: (Re:**N) Affirmative Action
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Date: Tue, 9-Jul-85 02:15:00 EDT
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>/* mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) /  2:11 pm  Jul  8, 1985 */

>Simple demonstration of both "ignorance" and "ivory tower" in libertarianism:
>no such social order has ever existed.  Thus, libertarian "predictions"
>are guesses whose quality is probably less in touch with reality than the
>inaccurate predictions of social scientists, economists, etc. trying to
>understand the society right under their noses.

What in the world are you saying?  Could someone enlighten me, please?

> Market pressures are not coercion.

>Libertarians may construct a legal definition of coercion which exempts
>market pressures, yet market pressures are coercive and can force decisions
>against the will.

Who is doing the forcing and by what mechanism?  Have you discovered
some new law(s) of Physics?
 
> Such acts as you describe are already against the law.  What we need is
> tougher enforcement.

>Golly, if I can't draw a conclusion in the face of the "coincidence" of
>programs and their intended results, then why should we try your untested
>libertarian solutions?

Where is the control group in this experiment from which you draw these
conclusions?

Perhaps you should read Hayek's "The Counter-revolution of Science" (I'm
not sure that's the exact title) to get an idea of why the application of
the methods of physical science to social science is so problematic.

>Mike Huybensz		...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh

						Mike Sykora