Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version nyu B notes v1.5 12/10/84; site acf4.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!think!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!acf4!mms1646 From: mms1646@acf4.UUCP (Michael M. Sykora) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Explorations of "social-interest": Back to Basics Message-ID: <2380071@acf4.UUCP> Date: Wed, 3-Jul-85 03:04:00 EDT Article-I.D.: acf4.2380071 Posted: Wed Jul 3 03:04:00 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 5-Jul-85 06:21:04 EDT References: <657@whuxl.UUCP> Organization: New York University Lines: 47 >/* bob@pedsgd.UUCP (Robert A. Weiler) / 1:07 pm Jul 1, 1985 */ >And I agree that this is the central point, we all have different >values. But I think thats how societies get formed, people of similar >values get together and impose those values on everyone else. This may be how societies have typically been formed, but it does not rule out the voluntary formation of societies because men perceive that they will benefit by it. >The libertarians >are no different, they still want to impose values, just not quite >as many. But the libertarians attempt to impose as few restrictions as possible. Certainly, property rights on relatively non-scarce resources do not inconvenience anyone. As for relatively scarce resources, that is certainly debatable. >Property rights come to mind. Thats why there is no large libertarian >society, there just aint enough people with exactly those values. You don't mean tht there aren't a lot of people who strongly desire greater material wealth do you? Certainly, the libertarian system is the best one to achieve such goals, if nothing else. >One question for the libertarians out there, how does a libertarian society deal with seccesion? Provided such seccesion does not include forcing anyone to go along or violation of any contracts, I don't see any problems with it >Suppose a large segment of the population decided >that they would rather be socialists after all? As long as they don't force others to go along, I can see no objection from the libertarian point of view. One might easily imagine an institution like the Israeli Kibbutz existing harmoniously within a libertarian society. I might even join one myself. >In particular, what happens if the workers cease the factory? No problem, provided they don't violate any contracts. Mike Sykora