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From: jho@ihu1m.UUCP (Yosi Hoshen)
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Subject: Re: Answer to Rich's X-Y logic challenge
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Date: Mon, 8-Jul-85 20:54:05 EDT
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>                                                              The
> Torah's injunction against homosexuality is no different than any of
> its other laws, and clearly has nothing to do with anything remotely
> connected to Nazism.  Let's please agree on that, and stop beating this
> ridiculous notion to death.

I agree with you on this issue.  Nazism can only compared with Nazism.

>                                The main issue seems to be the
> relationship between the Torah and those Jews who today choose not to
> accept it.  The Orthodox viewpoint is that the commitment made by our
> forefathers at Sinai was binding on their descendants for all time;
> anyone else will doubtless contend that this is ridiculously unfair.
> I contend that this is the root of the disagreement which has led to a
> month of drivel in this space - homosexuality and Nazism are good
> eye-grabbing buzzwords, but the real question is "Do orthodox Jews
> have the right to assume that the Torah applies to all Jews?"  
> Of course, this is where divinity and belief come in, so it gets very
> difficult to prove anything - but I think a discussion of this topic
> directly would be much more productive than the current rank-out
> session.

So please let us know whether you think that the orthodox Jews should
impose the Torah on those Jews who do not accept it.
> 
> Apologies for the length of this piece, but I suppose it fits right
> in.
> 
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> this is a religion group, right, Rich?   so...
> "Like a clergyman (Gasp!), defrocked for the very first time..."
> 
> Jay Hyman
> allegra!jay

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