Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 SMI; site sun.uucp Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!decwrl!sun!sunny From: sunny@sun.uucp (Ms. Sunny Kirsten) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: rape and other assorted stuff Message-ID: <2379@sun.uucp> Date: Tue, 2-Jul-85 12:47:39 EDT Article-I.D.: sun.2379 Posted: Tue Jul 2 12:47:39 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 5-Jul-85 04:20:08 EDT References: <191@cuuxa.UUCP> <2919@sdcc3.UUCP> <2301@sun.uucp> <257@kontron.UUCP> <2568@randvax.UUCP> <285@kontron.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 65 Quote without comment: "Alone in her Brady, Tex., home, Pauline Parker answered a knock at the door and was attacked by a man with a brick. Though battered, the elderly woman pulled a pistol and fired, sending the assailant fleeing. (The Standard Times, San Angelo, Tex. 2/21)" "A Cleveland, Tenn., woman was seated in her car in a shopping mall when a man attempted to steal her purse. When she pulled a gun, he fled. Police arrested and charged a suspect for attempted grand larceny. (The Daily Banner, Cleveland, Tenn. 3/21)" "An Ithaca, N.Y., college student was cutting through an alley on his way home late at night when two men jumped him. The student pulled a licensed gun and shot and wounded one assailant. The would-be robbers were arrested, and the student was not charged. (The Star-Gazette, Elmira, N.Y. 3/18)" The above quotes from "The Armed Citizen" page of American Hunter, July 1985 issue. > > From Clayton Cramer, quoting Sunny@sun: > > > > That's right... the 100 lb weakling with her arms pinned against the asphalt > > > > by the 200 lb guy who's got his weight over her so she can't move them at all. > > > > Why are we still going around in circles? There IS no defense in many cases. > > > > The only way to end rape is for all the bigger more dominant men in the > > > > world to recognize the simple fact that they haven't got the right to do that > > > > to women. Men have to respect women, and stop treating them like 2nd class > > > > citizens. The point is that rape is not a women's issue. Women have very > > > > little to do or say about it, because WOMEN CAN NEVER STOP RAPE! > > > > Only MEN can STOP RAPE-ing. Women don't have the strength nor power to stop it. > > > > Sunny > > > > > Gee, Sunny, I think you need to keep up with rapidly improving technology. > > > Samuel Colt perfected a high-tech device just last century which makes a > > > 100 pound weakling (regardless of sex) the equal of a 200 pound ogre. It's > > > called a firearm. Go ahead! Improve the species! Scatter whatever it is > > > that a rapist keeps in his brain cavity all over the sidewalk! > > > > > > "God made men --- Col. Colt made them equal." > > > > That's right, Clayton. Carry a gun so that the 200lb guy can blow you > > away after he finishes with you. What you gun-loving folks seem to > > ignore is the fact that it takes a free hand and a bit of elbow room, > > not to mention some time to aim. The chances of you managing to pull > > out a gun and shoot someone who is attempting to--and capable of-- > > physically overwhelming you is a lot smaller than the chance that > > they'll wrest the gun away from you first. Why arm your assailant > > if they aren't armed already? > > > > -Ed Hall > > decvax!randvax!edhall > > This is inconsistent. If you need "time to aim", the rapist is far enough > away that you still have "a free hand and a bit of elbow room"; if he's > close enough to be a threat to you bare handed, you need no time to aim. > Also, I doubt most rapists would continue an attack against someone who > demonstrates a capability and willingness to kill. > > Rape and other violent crimes are deterred almost daily in this country > by the use of firearms; news accounts of such actions are quite common. *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** -- {ucbvax,decvax,ihnp4}!sun!sunny (Ms. Sunny Kirsten)