Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site kontron.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxj!mhuxn!ihnp4!pesnta!pertec!kontron!cramer From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: rape and other assorted stuff Message-ID: <285@kontron.UUCP> Date: Thu, 27-Jun-85 11:54:58 EDT Article-I.D.: kontron.285 Posted: Thu Jun 27 11:54:58 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 29-Jun-85 03:32:33 EDT References: <191@cuuxa.UUCP> <2919@sdcc3.UUCP> <2301@sun.uucp> <257@kontron.UUCP> <2568@randvax.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Kontron Electronics, Irvine, CA Lines: 40 > From Clayton Cramer, quoting Sunny@sun: > > > That's right... the 100 lb weakling with her arms pinned against the asphalt > > > by the 200 lb guy who's got his weight over her so she can't move them at all. > > > Why are we still going around in circles? There IS no defense in many cases. > > > The only way to end rape is for all the bigger more dominant men in the > > > world to recognize the simple fact that they haven't got the right to do that > > > to women. Men have to respect women, and stop treating them like 2nd class > > > citizens. The point is that rape is not a women's issue. Women have very > > > little to do or say about it, because WOMEN CAN NEVER STOP RAPE! > > > Only MEN can STOP RAPE-ing. Women don't have the strength nor power to stop it. > > > Sunny > > > Gee, Sunny, I think you need to keep up with rapidly improving technology. > > Samuel Colt perfected a high-tech device just last century which makes a > > 100 pound weakling (regardless of sex) the equal of a 200 pound ogre. It's > > called a firearm. Go ahead! Improve the species! Scatter whatever it is > > that a rapist keeps in his brain cavity all over the sidewalk! > > > > "God made men --- Col. Colt made them equal." > > That's right, Clayton. Carry a gun so that the 200lb guy can blow you > away after he finishes with you. What you gun-loving folks seem to > ignore is the fact that it takes a free hand and a bit of elbow room, > not to mention some time to aim. The chances of you managing to pull > out a gun and shoot someone who is attempting to--and capable of-- > physically overwhelming you is a lot smaller than the chance that > they'll wrest the gun away from you first. Why arm your assailant > if they aren't armed already? > > -Ed Hall > decvax!randvax!edhall This is inconsistent. If you need "time to aim", the rapist is far enough away that you still have "a free hand and a bit of elbow room"; if he's close enough to be a threat to you bare handed, you need no time to aim. Also, I doubt most rapists would continue an attack against someone who demonstrates a capability and willingness to kill. Rape and other violent crimes are deterred almost daily in this country by the use of firearms; news accounts of such actions are quite common.