Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site cmu-cs-edu1.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!rochester!cmu-cs-pt!cmu-cs-edu1!rafferty From: rafferty@cmu-cs-edu1.ARPA (Colin Rafferty) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: noisy kids in restaurants... (and KIDS) Message-ID: <399@cmu-cs-edu1.ARPA> Date: Sat, 13-Jul-85 05:17:35 EDT Article-I.D.: cmu-cs-e.399 Posted: Sat Jul 13 05:17:35 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 18-Jul-85 05:43:18 EDT Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI Lines: 94 First, let it be known that, although I am Colin, I am not the same Colin that posted the original article and, although I am defending him, it is not because of his name, but because he had a good point (although I do like his name). <*** End of stupid intro, let's get on with it... ***> >> First, there seemed to be two distinct sets of kids; the trendies, >> and (groan) the headbangers. I can take the trendies, at least >> they dress nice, ... > > Sounds like the two distinct sets of kids you're talking about are the ones > you approve of and the ones you're appalled by. > As he says later, you are correct. >> Another thing I noticed was the girls. Why is it that they seem to >> like sneering, menacing, long-(greasy)-haired guys. The girls are >> usually tastefully (in a leathery sense) dressed. Their hair is >> washed (and brushed) and some seem like they actually have a brain. >> The guys are quite another matter. First of all, they all wear >> black (with white sleeve) concert shirts bearing the name of some >> heavy-metal band, blue jeans, a leather jacket, and they all smoke. >> Not to mention they all hang out in the numerous pin-ball joints >> that downtown Kitchener abounds with. > > Oooh oooh (say using sissified voice for best effect) the boys all wear > shirts with those disgusting heavy metal bands printed all over them > and oh, blue jeans of all things and ooh, leather and they smoke too. > So fuckin' what? What do you wear? Striped alligator shirts with plaid > pants. Who cares what people wear? To judge people just because of the > clothes they wear is pretty asinine. > What they wear is not the point, it's how they wear it. It's not the fact that it's a concert shirt, but usually a dirty concert shirt. I think he would feel the same way if it were a dirty Izod. Judging people by the clothes is asinine, but to ignore the way they wear them is even worse. >> I'm probably sounding pretty righteous, aren't I, well so what. >> What the hell is it with kids (or *IS* it parents) that they can't >> take some pride in at least looking human. I'm only twenty >> years old (Haha, i'll bet you thought i was middle-aged) and I >> can't stand even being on the same bus as the little cretans. >> They bother me, and yes, they are menacing-looking. >> I agree with you whole-heartedly. I am also twenty (some freak coincidence, eh? (no, I'm not a freak)), and I am ashamed to be put in the same class as these thugs. >> Doubtless, most of these spotted horrors will in the future become >> honest, hard-working individuals who will buy colour television sets >> and the rest of the rigamarole associated with leading plebian existances. >> But in the meantime, they are a bunch of lazy-stupid kids who have >> no imagination to do anything else other than follow the >> big-mouthed leader. What really gets me is the parents who bitch about >> little johnny-duh-m-shit not being able to get any sort of job. >> NO BLOODY WONDER when he looks like some reprobate from a prison >> camp. I wouldn't hire him. > > [Much talk about how when he was a headbanger, he was a model citizen] > > ...I don't think I was worthless and I doubt if any of the headbangers today > are as worthless as you might try to lead us to believe. They're just doing > their own thing and having fun at it. So why don't you try to have a little > fun instead of going around harping on kids who don't meet your standards > and preaching your righteous bullshit. > Some of them are that way, I agree. However, a large portion of them (people I went to High School with, people in my old neighborhood, my younger brother) aren't the way you and your friends were. When their idea of "doing their own thing" is seeing how much they can piss other people off, I don't think that's reasonable anymore. >> Colin Biggin > > Joseph M. Dakes I really think that some kids just get too out of line, nowadays. I don't know what to do about it, but they are giving the majority of teenagers a bad rep, which is not good, since I resemble a teenager very much. ---- Colin Rafferty { Math Department, Carnegie-Mellon University } "According to convention there is a sweet and a bitter, a hot and a cold, and according to convention, there is an order. In truth, there are atoms and a void." -Democritus(400 B.C.)