Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sdcarl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcc3!sdcarl!andy From: andy@sdcarl.UUCP (Andrew Voelkel) Newsgroups: net.micro.16k,net.micro.68k Subject: data books Message-ID: <214@sdcarl.UUCP> Date: Wed, 26-Jun-85 15:57:52 EDT Article-I.D.: sdcarl.214 Posted: Wed Jun 26 15:57:52 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 29-Jun-85 00:23:49 EDT Organization: Computer Audio Research Lab, UCSD, San Diego, Calif. Lines: 42 Xref: watmath net.micro.16k:342 net.micro.68k:973 I am placing this here because I don't know where else to go and I know both you National and Motorola gurus read this. I am a digital designer of board level devices, usually of the digital but often of the analog or hybrid varieties. I currently work at the Computer Audio Research Laboratory at UCSD. I will soon be doing independent consulting. I have spent much time here aquiring data books which are obviously essential to a designers work. They must be around so that when one part doesn't work out one can use another etc. Knowing the ins and outs of everyones part is the responsibility of every con- sciensious designer. With this in mind, I am miffed by aspects of both National and Motorola documentation. As far as you National folks are concerned, why does it seem that there is an ironclad policy of charging for data books? No one else seems to have this policy. I really have never found a good direct number (phone) to National to even know if this is definitely true, but every source for your books I know of involves paying for them. This may seem like a minor complaint but all I want to do is design something with your parts in it that will have to be bought from you. As far as Motorola is concerned my complaint is different. If I make a trip down to my Motorola rep I can pick up books they have, which is standard policy. I recently got a bunch of stuff from my friend who just got hooked up with the consultant support program. There were a number of books I'd never seen before, many I am very glad to have. I've applied for the same program but so far no reply. Anyway, I am wandering around the local retail outlet that happens to stock a bunch of books and I stumble across a Motorola schottky TTL book. I'd never seen this book before, and I've been to the rep more than once! I had to have it because it specs the newer ALS parts and TI is way behind on their new TTL data book, so I bought it so I could get real data on new ALS parts. The guy behind the counter said there are many publisher of Motorola books, and there are many great and obscure books that no one knows about. Is there any truth to this? How can one get a list of the books that do exist? If I call AMD or MMI or a number of other sorts, they will be forthcoming in getting me the information I will need for my work, since I must leave the books I have spent much time gathering here. Can any one out there help me avoid the cloak and dagger Motorola- National data book game? -- Andrew Voelkel {ucbvax,ihnp4,akgua,hplabs,sdcsvax}!sdcarl!andy