Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP
Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mnetor.UUCP
Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!sophie
From: sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley)
Newsgroups: can.politics,net.women
Subject: Re: Re: egg/chicken chicken/egg chigg/eckin
Message-ID: <1241@mnetor.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 9-Jul-85 15:40:07 EDT
Article-I.D.: mnetor.1241
Posted: Tue Jul  9 15:40:07 1985
Date-Received: Tue, 9-Jul-85 16:37:11 EDT
References: <893@mnetor.UUCP> <5642@utzoo.UUCP> <896@mnetor.UUCP> <2102@watcgl.UUCP> <1127@ubc-cs.UUCP> <2128@watcgl.UUCP>
Organization: Computer X (CANADA) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Lines: 25
Xref: utcs can.politics:649 net.women:6338

> > I do not see how direct discrimination and suppression results in this
> > wage gap. The way I see it women have the same choices that exist for
> 
> When society : 1) decreases someones selfrespect; 2) continually tells
> them that certain positions/jobs are not for them (cause it's mens work);
> 3) continually tells them that certain kinds of knowledge/abilities
> (such as mechanical knowhow and mathematical reasoning) are beyond
> their capacities; etc. etc.
> 
> Then it is a lot easier to convince them,  as well, that: 1) they are
> lucky to have any kind of job so they better not complain if conditions
> are poor and pay is low; 2) that they shouldn't even expect to have
> a job/career that is rewarding since their primary goal should be to
> get married; 3) that it is their responsibility to find a man to
> support them and so their wages need not be adequate to support themselves
> in reasonable style; 4) there is no point in going on to a higher
> education since they are not really equipped for it; and 5) if they do
> want a higher education that they should stay out of science and
> similar technical areas since they are really not equipped for it.

Thank you John.  Some times being able to distance oneself emotionally
does help one's argument a lot.
-- 
Sophie Quigley
{allegra|decvax|ihnp4|linus|watmath}!utzoo!mnetor!sophie