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From: harwood@cvl.UUCP (David Harwood)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: 'Christian-style communication' to L. Frith
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Date: Sun, 7-Jul-85 17:36:26 EDT
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Posted: Sun Jul  7 17:36:26 1985
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Reply to L. Frith, replying to R. Rosen, concerning whether
Frith's remarks are anti-Jewish: Frith replies to Rosen's
mention of my opinion agreeing with his own criticism.
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>From: root@trwatf.UUCP (Lord Frith)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Reply to Rich Rosen (beating dead Ethiopian horses)...
Message-ID: <1031@trwatf.UUCP>
Date: 6 Jul 85 15:32:37 GMT
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Reply-To: root@trwatf.UUCP (Lord Frith)
Organization: TRW Advanced Technology Facility, Merrifield VA.

...

Besides, considering the many dissagreements that David Harwood and I
have had in the past, I'm not surprised that he would make such a
comment.  But then David Harwood has misinterpreted MANY statements
made by people (Mike Huybensz and others).  Calling me "dishonest" and
"cowardly" and additionally labeling what I've said as "scurrilous,"
without substantiation or attempt at Christian-style communication
doesn't strike me as the attitude of a "fine Christian" anyway.
...

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	I would rather that Rich had not introduced my opinion
into his exchange with you, although I largely agree with him
concerning your remarks about Jews. But I doubt that anyone can
lash you or anyone else into repentance, although we should make
clear what is wrong.
	I said before that it is my opinion your 'remarks' about
Jews were 'scurrilous', and your 'explanation of your remarks' was
'dishonest' and 'cowardly'. In your reply, you deleted (purposely?)
my quotation of your paragraph which partly prompted my criticism,
which included your remark that it was a common stereotype, even
of Net members, that Jews are 'a boatload of loud-mouthed whiners.'
	Note that my criticism was of your expressed views, not 
of you personally otherwise. Also, I don't know of anyone of Net.
religion who has agreed with your views about this.
	I'm sure I have disagreed with many people, about other
matters, including Rich, Mike Huybensz, also Richard Brower, and
I realize I must have misinterpretted what they have said many times.
But I don't even dislike them at all for their views. So you find
me agreeing in this matter with both Rich and Mr. Brower, although
I have disagreed with them about other things. Mr. Huybensz can
speak for himself, but I would very much doubt that he would side
with your explanation of your remarks about Jews, even though he 
disagrees with me about religion.
	As for 'Christian-style communication', with which you're
so familiar I'm sure:  You hypocrite! You are sliding into a pit
of alienation of your own making. Why create resentment for the
sake of vanity? Why don't you sincerely apologize for your remarks 
which obviously offend others? 
	Do this, and we will all be better off. That's my advice.

					David Harwood