Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site cvl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!mtunh!mtung!mtunf!ariel!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!pesnta!amd!vecpyr!lll-crg!gymble!umcp-cs!cvl!harwood From: harwood@cvl.UUCP (David Harwood) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: 'Christian-style communication' to L. Frith Message-ID: <614@cvl.UUCP> Date: Sun, 7-Jul-85 17:36:26 EDT Article-I.D.: cvl.614 Posted: Sun Jul 7 17:36:26 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 13-Jul-85 10:14:22 EDT Distribution: net Organization: Computer Vision Lab, U. of Maryland, College Park Lines: 58 Reply to L. Frith, replying to R. Rosen, concerning whether Frith's remarks are anti-Jewish: Frith replies to Rosen's mention of my opinion agreeing with his own criticism. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From: root@trwatf.UUCP (Lord Frith) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Reply to Rich Rosen (beating dead Ethiopian horses)... Message-ID: <1031@trwatf.UUCP> Date: 6 Jul 85 15:32:37 GMT Date-Received: 6 Jul 85 22:35:24 GMT Reply-To: root@trwatf.UUCP (Lord Frith) Organization: TRW Advanced Technology Facility, Merrifield VA. ... Besides, considering the many dissagreements that David Harwood and I have had in the past, I'm not surprised that he would make such a comment. But then David Harwood has misinterpreted MANY statements made by people (Mike Huybensz and others). Calling me "dishonest" and "cowardly" and additionally labeling what I've said as "scurrilous," without substantiation or attempt at Christian-style communication doesn't strike me as the attitude of a "fine Christian" anyway. ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I would rather that Rich had not introduced my opinion into his exchange with you, although I largely agree with him concerning your remarks about Jews. But I doubt that anyone can lash you or anyone else into repentance, although we should make clear what is wrong. I said before that it is my opinion your 'remarks' about Jews were 'scurrilous', and your 'explanation of your remarks' was 'dishonest' and 'cowardly'. In your reply, you deleted (purposely?) my quotation of your paragraph which partly prompted my criticism, which included your remark that it was a common stereotype, even of Net members, that Jews are 'a boatload of loud-mouthed whiners.' Note that my criticism was of your expressed views, not of you personally otherwise. Also, I don't know of anyone of Net. religion who has agreed with your views about this. I'm sure I have disagreed with many people, about other matters, including Rich, Mike Huybensz, also Richard Brower, and I realize I must have misinterpretted what they have said many times. But I don't even dislike them at all for their views. So you find me agreeing in this matter with both Rich and Mr. Brower, although I have disagreed with them about other things. Mr. Huybensz can speak for himself, but I would very much doubt that he would side with your explanation of your remarks about Jews, even though he disagrees with me about religion. As for 'Christian-style communication', with which you're so familiar I'm sure: You hypocrite! You are sliding into a pit of alienation of your own making. Why create resentment for the sake of vanity? Why don't you sincerely apologize for your remarks which obviously offend others? Do this, and we will all be better off. That's my advice. David Harwood