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From: nrh@inmet.UUCP
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Subject: Re: Orphaned Response
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Date: Mon, 1-Jul-85 18:38:00 EDT
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>/**** inmet:net.politics.t / whuxl!orb /  5:41 pm  Jun 24, 1985 ****/
>> I'd recommend this book to everyone, but RAH espouses things so far out of
>> fashion that the left compares him to the Nazis. Just imagine, thinking that
>> personal responsibility and meeting your commitments are good ideas. Not to
>> mention attacking the church, slavery, and espousing freedom in general
>> 	> 
> 
>As I recall it was revolutionaries like Thomas Jefferson and the founders
>of this country via Revolution who first advocated freedom of religion and
>promotion of free ideas.
>It is right-wing Moral Majority followers who are advocating a return to
>religion stuffed down people's throats and book-burning.
> 
>As I recall it was those "bleeding heart" "leftist" abolitionists who
>advocated the abolition of slavery.  The right-wing was content to
>hold onto its private slave property.
> 
>As I recall it was the right-wing Joseph McCarthy who ruined the careers
>of thousands because their political beliefs differed from his.
> 

You surely aren't trying to call libertarians right-wing, are you?
Or to imply that Thomas Jefferson was "left-wing"?

Right wingers tend to get very uncomfortable when we talk about 
removing most or all foreign US bases, and when we suggest legalizing
heroin (although Wm. F. Buckley is beginning to be convinced) and
when some (not all) libertarians come out against abortion laws.

>As we have just seen "Libert"arians like Mike Sykora have no qualms about
>abolishing freedom of speech in favor of private property.

Excuse me, but I'll bet you do this too.  Sykora argues that shopping
mall owners should be able determine what political purposes their malls
are used for.  You seem to feel (with no better justification, or a 
justification just as good) that you have the right to do this for
your bedroom.

> 
>Who really espouses "freedom"?

Not a bad question.  Certainly not the socialists (for example) or the
fascists, (for another).  If "the truth shall set you free" then those
who distort the truth tend to be foes of freedom.  In particular, 
I don't recall Sykora arguing that anyone should "abolish freedom of
speech in favor of private property", merely that freedom of speech
doesn't carry with it the right to speak and assemble on other people's
private property.  

I suppose it is too late to hope for this, but I wish you'd stop
misstating other people's positions -- it only weakens your own
rhetoric when the misstatement is set right.

> 
>                tim sevener whuxl!orb
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