Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP
Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 (Tek) 9/28/84 based on 9/17/84; site azure.UUCP
Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!qantel!hplabs!tektronix!teklds!azure!chrisa
From: chrisa@azure.UUCP (Chris Andersen)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Make vs. Rape
Message-ID: <353@azure.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 14-Jul-85 00:28:03 EDT
Article-I.D.: azure.353
Posted: Sun Jul 14 00:28:03 1985
Date-Received: Thu, 18-Jul-85 03:09:27 EDT
References: <893@druxo.UUCP> <288@tekla.UUCP>
Reply-To: chrisa@azure.UUCP (Chris Andersen)
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton OR
Lines: 55
Summary: 

In article <288@tekla.UUCP> brianc@tekla.UUCP (Brian Conley) writes:
>> 
>> I know this is several weeks old, but would someone explain to me the
>> difference between "making someone have sex" and "rape"...I thought that
>> rape is "making" someone have sex...
>> 
>> Nancy Parsons
>> AT&T ISL
>
>Apparently Nancy the writer believes that rape is a "Violent" crime,
>thus rape requires violence or the threat of violence.  Psychological or 
>emotional trauma is not preceived by the writer as being violent or injurous.

[Just an asside: I think it is always dangerous to put words in another persons
mouth.  It makes them look bad, it makes you look bad, and makes them want to
strike back at you.]

>
>(As an asside, perhaps the writer would like to be the subject of some 
>experiments is psychological warfare and torture, just to see how it compares
>to physical pain.)

Really, do you think saying this is nescessary?  Do you really think that Nancy
doesn't understand that psychological pain *is* pain.

I have found that when people make postings they make subcounscious assumptions
about what they are saying  (ie "this point need not be stated since it will
get across anyway").  Also, no one can keep up a constant guard against 
saying things that one second thought they would consider absurb (I'm talking
generally here, not specifically about Nancy).  If you read a posting where
someone says something that sounds, to you, absurb, don't lash back at them,
just tell them that you think it is absurb *AND* *WHY* you think it is absurb.
I think this will go a long way tworads alleviating bad feelings on the net.

>
>that or the turkey thinks that women LIKE S & M or B & D.

I would like to point out that there are some women who do like S&M and B&D.
I don't know any personally, but I have listened enough to the media (no
not mens magazines!) to know that there are both men *AND* women who like
S&M and B&D.

Also note that I said *some*, not all.  So don't flame me for saying that 
women want to be raped.  Because I have never said that, and I never will.



Life,
  Love,
    Laughter,
      and Hope,

	Chris Andersen
-- 
"Roads?  Where we're going we don't need any roads!"