Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site vilya.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!vilya!am From: am@vilya.UUCP (MALEK) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: This is a Jewish newsgroup Message-ID: <165@vilya.UUCP> Date: Wed, 10-Jul-85 12:27:17 EDT Article-I.D.: vilya.165 Posted: Wed Jul 10 12:27:17 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 14-Jul-85 09:15:52 EDT References: <277@ucdavis.UUCP> <329@mhuxi.UUCP> <611@sfmag.UUCP> <669@digi-g.UUCP> <356@scgvaxd.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 28 Boskovitch makes his point about certain ideas, but the following is very offensive: > 1. The Roman procurator was as guilty as the Jewish leaders for His death! > 2. Christ died willingly for His own people. > 3. Christ died for the sins of mankind. > Conclusion: > 1. Christians are christ-killers since our sins put him on the cross. > 2. God is a christ-killer since Jesus said He was doing the Father's will. > 3. All mankind are christ-killers since He died for our sins. This is net.religion.jewish, so there should be no Christian theology here unless it is clearly represented as such. I would not post Jewish theology on your net. According to the Jewish tradition (Sanhedrin Chapter VI), Yeshu was sentenced to death by a proper Jewish court acting in accordance with the halacha. So we are not offended by people saying that Jews killed Yeshu, we are offended by those who use that as a pretext for anti-semitism. It would be rather difficult to find the protocols of that court and determine whether or not the trial was proper, but in any case the crucifiction which was done by the Romans was against the Jewish tradition (which mandates a quick and less painful death) and against the ruling of the court mentioned in the talmud. Avi Malek P.S. Note that the talmudic passages mentioned were removed from many editions by censors/apologists. -- test of .sig file