Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version nyu B notes v1.5 12/10/84; site acf4.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!houxm!mtuxo!mtunh!mtung!mtunf!ariel!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!pesnta!qumix!ittvax!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!think!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!acf4!mms1646 From: mms1646@acf4.UUCP (Michael M. Sykora) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: (Re:**N) Affirmative Action Message-ID: <1340275@acf4.UUCP> Date: Tue, 9-Jul-85 02:15:00 EDT Article-I.D.: acf4.1340275 Posted: Tue Jul 9 02:15:00 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 13-Jul-85 15:53:10 EDT References: <259@kontron.UUCP> Organization: New York University Lines: 36 >/* mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) / 2:11 pm Jul 8, 1985 */ >Simple demonstration of both "ignorance" and "ivory tower" in libertarianism: >no such social order has ever existed. Thus, libertarian "predictions" >are guesses whose quality is probably less in touch with reality than the >inaccurate predictions of social scientists, economists, etc. trying to >understand the society right under their noses. What in the world are you saying? Could someone enlighten me, please? > Market pressures are not coercion. >Libertarians may construct a legal definition of coercion which exempts >market pressures, yet market pressures are coercive and can force decisions >against the will. Who is doing the forcing and by what mechanism? Have you discovered some new law(s) of Physics? > Such acts as you describe are already against the law. What we need is > tougher enforcement. >Golly, if I can't draw a conclusion in the face of the "coincidence" of >programs and their intended results, then why should we try your untested >libertarian solutions? Where is the control group in this experiment from which you draw these conclusions? Perhaps you should read Hayek's "The Counter-revolution of Science" (I'm not sure that's the exact title) to get an idea of why the application of the methods of physical science to social science is so problematic. >Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh Mike Sykora