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From: sunny@sun.uucp (Ms. Sunny Kirsten)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: rape and other assorted stuff
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Date: Tue, 2-Jul-85 12:47:39 EDT
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Posted: Tue Jul  2 12:47:39 1985
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Quote without comment:

	"Alone in her Brady, Tex., home, Pauline Parker answered a
knock at the door and was attacked by a man with a brick.  Though
battered, the elderly woman pulled a pistol and fired, sending the
assailant fleeing. (The Standard Times, San Angelo, Tex. 2/21)"

	"A Cleveland, Tenn., woman was seated in her car in a 
shopping mall when a man attempted to steal her purse.  When she 
pulled a gun, he fled.  Police arrested and charged a suspect for
attempted grand larceny.  (The Daily Banner, Cleveland, Tenn. 3/21)"

	"An Ithaca, N.Y., college student was cutting through an alley
on his way home late at night when two men jumped him.  The student
pulled a licensed gun and shot and wounded one assailant.  The would-be
robbers were arrested, and the student was not charged.  (The Star-Gazette,
Elmira, N.Y. 3/18)"

	The above quotes from "The Armed Citizen" page of American Hunter, 
July 1985 issue.

> > From Clayton Cramer, quoting Sunny@sun:
> > > > That's right... the 100 lb weakling with her arms pinned against the asphalt
> > > > by the 200 lb guy who's got his weight over her so she can't move them at all.
> > > > Why are we still going around in circles?  There IS no defense in many cases.
> > > > The only way to end rape is for all the bigger more dominant men in the
> > > > world to recognize the simple fact that they haven't got the right to do that
> > > > to women.  Men have to respect women, and stop treating them like 2nd class
> > > > citizens.  The point is that rape is not a women's issue.  Women have very
> > > > little to do or say about it, because WOMEN CAN NEVER STOP RAPE!
> > > > Only MEN can STOP RAPE-ing.  Women don't have the strength nor power to stop it.
> > > >                               Sunny
> > 
> > > Gee, Sunny, I think you need to keep up with rapidly improving technology.
> > > Samuel Colt perfected a high-tech device just last century which makes a
> > > 100 pound weakling (regardless of sex) the equal of a 200 pound ogre.  It's
> > > called a firearm.  Go ahead!  Improve the species!  Scatter whatever it is
> > > that a rapist keeps in his brain cavity all over the sidewalk!
> > >
> > >        "God made men --- Col. Colt made them equal."
> >         
> > That's right, Clayton.  Carry a gun so that the 200lb guy can blow you
> > away after he finishes with you.  What you gun-loving folks seem to
> > ignore is the fact that it takes a free hand and a bit of elbow room,
> > not to mention some time to aim.  The chances of you managing to pull
> > out a gun and shoot someone who is attempting to--and capable of--
> > physically overwhelming you is a lot smaller than the chance that
> > they'll wrest the gun away from you first.  Why arm your assailant
> > if they aren't armed already?
> > 
> > 		-Ed Hall
> > 		decvax!randvax!edhall
> 
> This is inconsistent.  If you need "time to aim", the rapist is far enough
> away that you still have "a free hand and a bit of elbow room"; if he's
> close enough to be a threat to you bare handed, you need no time to aim.
> Also, I doubt most rapists would continue an attack against someone who
> demonstrates a capability and willingness to kill.
> 
> Rape and other violent crimes are deterred almost daily in this country
> by the use of firearms; news accounts of such actions are quite common.

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