Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/3/84; site teddy.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!genrad!panda!teddy!lkk From: lkk@teddy.UUCP Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Re: Premises,Premises,Premises,... ( Message-ID: <818@teddy.UUCP> Date: Mon, 24-Jun-85 11:28:24 EDT Article-I.D.: teddy.818 Posted: Mon Jun 24 11:28:24 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Jun-85 06:14:32 EDT References: <809@teddy.UUCP> <27500083@ISM780B.UUCP> Reply-To: lkk@teddy.UUCP (Larry K. Kolodney) Organization: GenRad, Inc., Concord, Mass. Lines: 31 Summary: In article <27500083@ISM780B.UUCP> jim@ISM780B.UUCP writes: > >>What about the Hell's angels. >>Their morality seems >>to be based on doing what is 'bad'. > >No, their morality (at least as distorted by the media; did you ever *meet* >a Hell's Angel?) seems to be based on what you consider bad. Hell's angels >consider various forms of conformity with society's norms as bad; they >consider choppers, macho, beer drinking, carrying knifes, fighting for their >honor, tattoos, and donating tons of children's toys as good. If they say, >"yeah, he's really baaaad", they consider being "baaaad" as good, but they >don't consider bad (as defined within their own morality) as being good >(as defined within their own morality). That is why you had to put `bad' >in quotes. The mistake comes from giving what *you* think is `bad' >special status. > >-- Jim Balter (ima!jim) No, that isn't what I meant. Since I haven't actually met a hell's angel (although I have met some Bikers) I may be wrong, but my impression is that if you ask a Hell's Angel "Are you a good person?" he's likely to answer, "No, I'm a mean son of a bitch". And be proud of it. -- Sport Death, Larry Kolodney (USENET) ...decvax!genrad!teddy!lkk (INTERNET) lkk@mit-mc