Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!mtunh!mtung!mtunf!ariel!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: The Scientific Case for Creation: (Part 46) Message-ID: <558@psivax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 11-Jul-85 21:47:43 EDT Article-I.D.: psivax.558 Posted: Thu Jul 11 21:47:43 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 17-Jul-85 20:30:32 EDT References: <404@iham1.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Distribution: net Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 78 Summary: In article <404@iham1.UUCP> rck@iham1.UUCP (Ron Kukuk) writes: > > THE SCIENTIFIC CASE FOR CREATION: 116 CATEGORIES OF EVIDENCE > >III. (Earth Sciences): THE EARTH HAS EXPERIENCED A WORLDWIDE FLOOD. > > A. ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE INDICATES THAT NOAH'S ARK PROBABLY > EXISTS [a-g]. > > 88. Ancient historians such as Josephus, the Jewish-Roman > historian, and Berosus of the Chaldeans mentioned in their > writings that the Ark existed. Marco Polo also stated > that the Ark was reported to be on a mountain in greater > Armenia. > > 89. In about 1856, a team of three skeptical British > scientists and two Armenian guides climbed to Ararat to > demonstrate that the Ark did not exist. The Ark was > supposedly found, but the British scientists threatened to > kill the guides if they reported it. > > 90. Sir James Bryce, a noted British scholar and traveler of > the mid-nineteenth century, conducted extensive library > research concerning the Ark. He became convinced that the > Ark was preserved on Mount Ararat. > > 91. In 1883, a series of newspaper articles reported that a > team of Turkish commissioners, while investigating > avalanche conditions on Mount Ararat, unexpectedly came > upon the Ark projecting out of the melting ice at the end > of an unusually warm summer. They claimed that they > entered and examined a portion of the Ark. > > 92. In the unusually warm summer of 1902, an Armenian boy, > Georgie Hagopian, and his uncle climbed to the Ark that > was reportedly sticking out of an ice pack. The boy > climbed over the Ark and was able to describe it in great > detail. In 1904 Hagopian visited the Ark for a second > time. > > 93. A Russian pilot, flying over Ararat in World War I (1915), > thought he saw the Ark. > > 94. At about the time of the Russian sighting, five Turkish > soldiers, crossing Mount Ararat, claim to have encountered > the Ark; however, they did not report their story until 30 > years later when they offered to guide an American > expedition to the site. > > 95. During World War II, a group of Russian flyers on at least > two occasions took aerial photographs that showed the Ark > protruding out of the ice. > > 96. An oil geologist, George Greene, in 1953 took a number of > photographs of the Ark from a helicopter. > An interesting collection of anecdotal and circumstantial "evidence" of no scientific value whatever! Really such partisan authors as Josephus!(A Jew no less). But as a matter of fact many ancient historians were veru uncritical of thier sources and generally included myths and unsubstantiated tales as "facts". Then of course there are these people who saw the Ark and waited 30 yeaers to tell someone, and when they did it was for financial gain(being hired as guides by a gullible foreigner)!! I have seen some of these photos, they are about as clear and unambiguous as the photos of pyramids on Mars! Really, none of these accounts is of any value, none would even be acceptible in a court of law, let alone a serious historical textbook! What with "lost reports" and distant rumours I see no reason to take any of this seriously. Especially in the light of recent expeditions and analyses which have consistantly failed to find the Ark, and which have shown that the "piece of wood from the Ark" is in fact no such thing! -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen