Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!mtunh!mtung!mtunf!ariel!vax135!petsd!pesnta!hplabs!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: A new voice. Message-ID: <535@psivax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 5-Jul-85 17:50:16 EDT Article-I.D.: psivax.535 Posted: Fri Jul 5 17:50:16 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 9-Jul-85 05:37:33 EDT References: <2156@ut-sally.UUCP> <347@scgvaxd.UUCP> <300@azure.UUCP> <350@scgvaxd.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 35 Summary: In article <350@scgvaxd.UUCP> dan@scgvaxd.UUCP (Dan) writes: > > This is just not so! The central hypothesis has been attacked over and > over. When it is, however, netters change their tune and claim that > evidence against evolution is NOT evidence for creation. > > Mutation has been shown to be a poor mechanism for Evolution. Transmutation > has never been observed and most all mutations have proven harmful. The > variations within species are predicted by the creation model. Even > Evolutionists have admitted the problems involved with Evolution occuring > by chance mutation. Natural selection has serious problems as well. > It has been stated that N.S. predicts everything, therefore it predicts > nothing. > Actually, the central bases of evoluyionary theory have never been *successfuully* attacked. The attracks you present are either invalid or inappropriate! Certainly mutation *by* *itself* is a poor mechanism for evolutiopn, BUT the proposed mechanism is a small bit of mutation *plus* natural selection, which is quite different. So *most*, mutations are "harmful", this is where N.S. comes in, it amplifies the few "beneficial" ones that do occur. Also the you are treating the life value(harmful/beneficial) of a mutation as an intrinsic property of the mutation. This is not so, the value of an allele is a property of its interactions with the *environment*(including other genes), and is thus *variable* under varying environment. What is harmful in one situation may well be necessary for survival in another! Your last attack is simply false, it has no bearing on the actual theory of evolution since the real theory *does* make predictions that are verifyable. -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen