Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version nyu B notes v1.5 12/10/84; site csd2.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!csd2!dimitrov From: dimitrov@csd2.UUCP (Isaac Dimitrovsky) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Re: DRAPERIES and stuff????? Message-ID: <3850017@csd2.UUCP> Date: Thu, 11-Jul-85 18:49:00 EDT Article-I.D.: csd2.3850017 Posted: Thu Jul 11 18:49:00 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 15-Jul-85 00:52:54 EDT References: <2319@ut-sally.UUCP> Organization: New York University Lines: 30 [] > Why should men have the monopoly on shyness? Because it takes a lot less (um) non-shyness (assertiveness?) to react to someone who makes the first move than to make it yourself. In my limited experience, men are still expected to make the first move, and women are still expected to react to it. I don't mean that I'd feel uncomfortable about a woman starting things; on the contrary, I'd be grateful to her for making it unnecessary for me to do so. What I mean is that in practice, men start things alot more often than women (By "start things" I mean initiate an assortment of things with someone that you feel attracted to, i.e. a conversation, a date, sex, etc). To be more exact about how I came to this conclusion, I've been approached a lot more often in my short lifetime (I'm 23) by gay men than by straight women. Even in Manhattan, I think gay men are substantially outnumbered by straight women :-). I'm also not aware of any major difference between what is considered attractive by gay men and by straight women. It follows, at least in my experience, that men have been much more unshy (ouch) than women. Any woman out there who disagrees with the above is more than welcome to provide me with a counterexample ;-). Isaac Dimitrovsky allegra!cmcl2!csd2!dimitrov (l in cmcl2 is letter l not number 1) 251 Mercer Street, New York NY 10012 Just because it's a preconceived notion doesn't mean it's wrong!