Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site kontron.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!lsuc!pesnta!pertec!kontron!cramer From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Make vs. Rape Message-ID: <330@kontron.UUCP> Date: Fri, 5-Jul-85 12:09:05 EDT Article-I.D.: kontron.330 Posted: Fri Jul 5 12:09:05 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 6-Jul-85 11:12:29 EDT References: <893@druxo.UUCP> Organization: Kontron Electronics, Irvine, CA Lines: 21 > > > More seriously, the phrasing of the question is *REAL* important. > > If the word "rape" was used, I find the statistic hard to believe. > > If the phrase "make the woman have sex with you"... > > ...this is quite different. > > I know this is several weeks old, but would someone explain to me the > difference between "making someone have sex" and "rape"...I thought that > rape is "making" someone have sex... > > Nancy Parsons > AT&T ISL Being the original poster, let me clarify what I meant. "Rape" means to use force or the threat of force (plus a few other special cases for unconsciousness); "make the woman have sex with you" *can* include annoying ("have sex with me, or I'll say nasty things about you", whining ("please, please"), attempting to provoke guilt ("if you don't have sex with me, all the money I spent on dinner is wasted"). These are all real tacky and disgusting things to do, but they aren't rape, and they are probably not criminal matters.