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From: cdshaw@watmum.UUCP (Chris Shaw)
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Subject: Re: To: persons offended by ucla-cs!alex
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Date: Sun, 30-Jun-85 08:53:49 EDT
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In article <134@ucla-cime.UUCP> kyle@ucla-cime.UUCP (Kyle D. Henriksen) writes:

>>From: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach)
>>[ Usenet is a perq, and some (his opinon)dumb guys from UCLA abused said perq]
>
>Well since I don't agree with a statement you made, do I now have the RIGHT
>to incite people to write unsolicited letters to you and your superiors?
>	The net serves a large community of users and I'm sorry that some of us
>just don't really care what is posted, we only read what we think is relavant.
>The techniques you are using are the traditional preludes to censorship, what
>do you want the SOVIET CHUQNET? By the way your last comment there could
>be considered libelous and damaging to a person's career...


Well, by your argument, I obviously have the right to do anything I like, hence
I have the right to do the following:
	1)>incite people to write unsolicited letters to you and your superiors<

	2) Make comments which might..
	   >be considered libelous and damaging to a person's career...<

So which is it? Can I do what I like, or are there restrictions ?
By Kyle's own arguments, it is clear there should be restrictions, the most 
obvious of which are those imposed by the laws of the land.

Kyle's arguments hold about as much water as a seive. The way he is leaning
is to assert that the Usenet sites MUST pay whatever costs are necessary to
ensure that all articles in all groups go everywhere. This makes as much
sense as demand that newspapers MUST print any letter that they receive, even
if they have decided to stop publishing letters to the editor. By virtue of
who pays the bills, making ridiculous demands on a free service will simply
lead to that service being discontinued. And that's all there is to it.. no
whining please !!

The best approach for people who still want their candy is to suggest useful
ways of ensuring that the problems so far won't continue. Babbling in loud tones
"It's my Usenet and I want it....waaaaah" only serves as an excuse to site
administrators for cutting their costs, not a reasonable argument.

> What really is disturbing you about the recent postings?

Oh, and by the way, calling someone you don't know a "slut" in a public forum
is actionable in a civil court of law. Is that good enough, or did you "n"
past all those articles ??


Chris Shaw    watmath!watmum!cdshaw  or  cdshaw@watmath
University of Waterloo
I was walking down the street one day, when suddenly... my baloney melted !