Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.16 $; site ISM780B.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!cca!ISM780B!jim From: jim@ISM780B.UUCP Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Re: Premises,Premises,Premises,... ( Message-ID: <27500087@ISM780B.UUCP> Date: Tue, 25-Jun-85 02:22:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ISM780B.27500087 Posted: Tue Jun 25 02:22:00 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 27-Jun-85 08:25:10 EDT References: <809@teddy.UUCP> Lines: 18 Nf-ID: #R:teddy:-80900:ISM780B:27500087:000:981 Nf-From: ISM780B!jim Jun 25 02:22:00 1985 >No, that isn't what I meant. Since I haven't actually met a hell's angel >(although I have met some Bikers) I may be wrong, but my impression is >that if you ask a Hell's Angel "Are you a good person?" he's likely >to answer, "No, I'm a mean son of a bitch". And be proud of it. Because he knows that what *you* mean by "good" is some wimpy pansy-assed goody-two-shoes notion, and he thinks that being a "bad", mean SOB proves he's a man, which is *good* by his standards. When you talk about "a good man", the word "good" is dripping with cultural connotation. Remember that this man is a rebel against the society in which he learned the words, so he will still use them the way that society uses them. Besides, I think you still have a jaundiced view; I think many would say that they take care of their woman and they mind their own business unless you get in their face, in which case they'll beat on your head (and probably welcome the excuse). -- Jim Balter (ima!jim)