Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.16 $; site inmet.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!yale!inmet!nrh From: nrh@inmet.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Orphaned Response Message-ID: <28200022@inmet.UUCP> Date: Mon, 1-Jul-85 18:38:00 EDT Article-I.D.: inmet.28200022 Posted: Mon Jul 1 18:38:00 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 5-Jul-85 05:31:39 EDT References: <666@whuxl.UUCP> Lines: 59 Nf-ID: #R:whuxl:-66600:inmet:28200022:177600:2564 Nf-From: inmet!nrh Jul 1 18:38:00 1985 >/**** inmet:net.politics.t / whuxl!orb / 5:41 pm Jun 24, 1985 ****/ >> I'd recommend this book to everyone, but RAH espouses things so far out of >> fashion that the left compares him to the Nazis. Just imagine, thinking that >> personal responsibility and meeting your commitments are good ideas. Not to >> mention attacking the church, slavery, and espousing freedom in general >>> > >As I recall it was revolutionaries like Thomas Jefferson and the founders >of this country via Revolution who first advocated freedom of religion and >promotion of free ideas. >It is right-wing Moral Majority followers who are advocating a return to >religion stuffed down people's throats and book-burning. > >As I recall it was those "bleeding heart" "leftist" abolitionists who >advocated the abolition of slavery. The right-wing was content to >hold onto its private slave property. > >As I recall it was the right-wing Joseph McCarthy who ruined the careers >of thousands because their political beliefs differed from his. > You surely aren't trying to call libertarians right-wing, are you? Or to imply that Thomas Jefferson was "left-wing"? Right wingers tend to get very uncomfortable when we talk about removing most or all foreign US bases, and when we suggest legalizing heroin (although Wm. F. Buckley is beginning to be convinced) and when some (not all) libertarians come out against abortion laws. >As we have just seen "Libert"arians like Mike Sykora have no qualms about >abolishing freedom of speech in favor of private property. Excuse me, but I'll bet you do this too. Sykora argues that shopping mall owners should be able determine what political purposes their malls are used for. You seem to feel (with no better justification, or a justification just as good) that you have the right to do this for your bedroom. > >Who really espouses "freedom"? Not a bad question. Certainly not the socialists (for example) or the fascists, (for another). If "the truth shall set you free" then those who distort the truth tend to be foes of freedom. In particular, I don't recall Sykora arguing that anyone should "abolish freedom of speech in favor of private property", merely that freedom of speech doesn't carry with it the right to speak and assemble on other people's private property. I suppose it is too late to hope for this, but I wish you'd stop misstating other people's positions -- it only weakens your own rhetoric when the misstatement is set right. > > tim sevener whuxl!orb >/* ---------- */ >