Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site kontron.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxj!mhuxn!ihnp4!pesnta!pertec!kontron!cramer From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) Newsgroups: net.women,net.politics Subject: Re: Discrimination and AA and Racism Message-ID: <284@kontron.UUCP> Date: Thu, 27-Jun-85 11:49:53 EDT Article-I.D.: kontron.284 Posted: Thu Jun 27 11:49:53 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 29-Jun-85 03:32:14 EDT References: <489@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <292@looking.UUCP> <354@mhuxr.UUCP>, <200@fear.UUCP> <718@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> Organization: Kontron Electronics, Irvine, CA Lines: 34 Xref: watmath net.women:6144 net.politics:9634 > [] > > From: robertp@fear.UUCP (Robert Plamondon) > > The whole idea of having a law is to FORCE people who disagree with > > you to do what you want. > > Silly me. And here I thought that the whole idea of having a law was to > protect individual liberties and promote general welfare. > That may the idea of law, but from a practical standpoint, laws just about everywhere are primarily to force compliance from people who disagree. > > The idea that these employers will "implement AA in a fair and > > rational manner" is ludicrous. > > True enough. Which is why we need legislation. It's pretty clear that > telling employers that discrimination is morally repugnant is not enough. > > > Most laws are full of loopholes, irrational provisions, and nasty > > side effects. People who disapprove of the law will of course take > > advantage of this. All of this is utterly predicatble. If you > > complain that a law isn't having the effect you envisioned, the fault > > is in the law, not the public. > > True again, but I don't see that as justification for not trying to right > some grossly obvious wrongs. > -- You missed the point Melinda --- forcing people to do things only works if 1) they already agree with you or 2) you have a sufficiently intrusive government to force them. If enforced selectively, the law will create even more problems than not having the law at all. > Melinda Shore > University of Chicago Computation Center