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From: martillo@mit-athena.UUCP (Joaquim Martillo)
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Subject: Re: Protesting the Beirut Hostage Crisis
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Date: Wed, 10-Jul-85 10:08:06 EDT
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> > ...						Remember that Lebanon
> > and Israel are officially at war and have been since 1948 ...

>I guess the war seemed only to continue with the Muslim populations, not
>with the sweet Facist Phalange Party and the other Christian
populations.

Muslims  as a matter of religious faith and practise consider themselves
obligated to humiliate and degrade non-Muslims.  As far as I  can  tell,
the  only  reason  the  phalange  is fascist is that when they have been
strong enough to resist, they have been unwilling to grovel and lick the
feet of Muslim overlords.  I should point out the the "fascist" phalange
often helped and aided Jewish and other refugees from Hitler while  most
Muslim  political  parties and religious leaders have been and still are
openly sympathetic to Hitler.   By  being  sympathetic  to  Arab  Muslim
nationalist  movements,  Raju  Bhatt clearly demonstrates his basic Nazi
racist outlook.

> > ... every other Arab country except Egypt, refuses to recognize
> > Israel's existence, has refused any peace treaty, and has attacked
> > Israel: that places the countries in a state of war).

>Does that mean any country not recognizing the state of Israel should
>fear Israeli action one day?

Lebanon declared war on Israel in 1948 and never terminated the state of
war.

> > last thing it wants is more terrorist attacks on its citizens
> > and guerrilla attacks on its army, which is trying to protect
> > its citizens. 

>Likewise the Shiites are only trying to protect their people from the
>Israeli army and the local traitors (those helping the 'occupation
>forces' of Israel) along with the South Lebanese Army.

What Bullshit! Shiites in no danger will go out of their way  to  attack
non-muslims. I have seen many articles telling how sympathetic we should
be to poor oppressed sunnis and shi`is.  While shi`is  have  known  some
minor  oppression  from  sunnis  in recent times, any one who bothers to
read the writings of Shi`i mullahs and other religious leaders as I have
quite  quickly  realizes,  shi`is are upset that they were not doing the
oppressing of sunnis.  In any case, whether or  not  shi`is  were  being
oppressed  by  sunnis  the  shi`is made an especial effort to persecute,
oppress and degrade the non-muslims in their  regions.   If  the  sunnis
required  non-muslims  to remove their shoes when leaving the non-muslim
ghetto (don't want that disgusting non-Muslim dust mixing with that good
Muslim  dust),  the  shi`is  practised  child-kidnapping  as  matter  of
religious principle.  My  family  comes  from  an  Ismaili  (a  type  of
shi`ite) area in Libya.  The Koran says there should be no compulsion in
religion.  The `ulama (scholars) say that a person's natural religion is
Islam.   Out  of respect for your father you might be a non-muslim.  Any
other reason would be compulsion.  Therefor if your father  died  before
you  became  an adult (12-13 years old), your mother would be compelling
you if she raised you in any religion but Islam.  Therefor Muslims  took
away  the  young  children of widowed mothers in our region.  Of course,
they were most zeolous in the case of 13 year-old females  so  that  the
practise  really  amounted  to  systematic  kidnapping  and  rape.  This
practise also existed in Yemen,  Iran  and  Shiite  dominated  areas  of
India.

> > 		As things settle down in Lebanon, Israel has been
> > releasing the Shiites, and this has nothing whatsoever to do with
> > the TWA hijacking.

>How about once all Israeli soldiers are 'safe' the Shiites were slowly
>being released?  You are right this action had nothing to do with the
>TWA hijacking.

The real basic problem is that in modern times given current destructive
possibilities  of  technology,  Islam is an unacceptable system of life.
For non-muslims in muslim areas, Islam is worse than Jim  Crow.   In  no
country  ruled  by  Muslims  are  non-muslims treated on terms of mutual
respect  and  equality.   In  fact,  Islam  is  probably  the  cause  of
Apartheid.   Not too surprising, one Afrikaner derogatory term for black
is kafir which of course is Arabic for non-adherent to Islam.  Basically
the  dutch  in  South  Africa  showed  no signs or racial bigotry toward
blacks until they began interacting with  the  Arab  and  Indian  Muslim
slave  traders.  Most of the structure of Apartheid is directly based on
the Islamic treatment of non-Muslims.  If you oppose apartheid, you must
oppose Islam.

The  only  decent  places to live in the Muslim world for non-Muslims to
live have been those areas dominated by  Europeans  who  were  gradually
stamping  out  Islamic  barbarism.  Granting Muslim nations independence
without  first  extirpating  Islamic  practises  was  perhaps  the  most
regressive  series of events in the last millenium.  Muslim independence
given the nature of Islam immediately leads to barbaric  acts  like  the
Iranian  and  TWA  hostage  crisis.   By  sympathizing  with such Muslim
barbarism, Bhatt shows himself an enemy of humanity.  Until Muslims show
some  decency  in  the way they relate to the non-muslim world, the only
proper course of action is to suppress them and eventually return Muslim
nations to colonial domination.