Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site phri.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!houxm!mtuxo!mtunh!mtung!mtunf!ariel!vax135!timeinc!phri!fritz From: fritz@phri.UUCP (Dave Fritzinger) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: A new voice. Message-ID: <323@phri.UUCP> Date: Fri, 12-Jul-85 11:28:27 EDT Article-I.D.: phri.323 Posted: Fri Jul 12 11:28:27 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 13-Jul-85 14:50:46 EDT References: <2156@ut-sally.UUCP> <347@scgvaxd.UUCP> <285@phri.UUCP> <358@scgvaxd.UUCP> Organization: Public Health Research Inst. (NY, NY) Lines: 43 > > I can just as easily say that I believe in creation because species > seem to have a common design. This best explains the existance of such > complex structures as a brain, heart, and sexual reproduction organs. > Biological evolution seems inadequate for the development of emotions > and the ability to reason. In fact, a metaphysical explanation for them > is required. Can you describe the physical development of love, hate, or > joy? What were these emotions before they evolved into the present ones? > Did man "reason" just a little at first, than "reason" a lot later? > Yes, evolution has it's answers to these questions. But, are they more > or less reasonable? More or less rational or logical? I believe they are > not. In fact, they are very incomplete. Is any naturalistic hypothesis > superior than a supernatural one just because it is naturalistic? > > Sounds to me like you want to believe in Evolution! I guess that makes > us the same! > > Dan Okay, let's talk about "common design" then. If you look at the skeletons of various mammals, they show quite a bit of similarity. Now, this is quite amazing when you consider animals as diverse as a mouse and an elephant. But let's look at another class of mammals-whales. What I find most amazing, and I might add, extremely good evidence for evolution, is the rear leg bones of the whales. Even though they serve no purpose, and cannot be seen from the outside, WHALES HAVE LEGS!!! Now, this is easily explained by evolution, since you can say that, of course they have the leg bones since whales are related to the other mammals. It is just that they have degenerated, since they are not selected for-stream- lining being a more important advantage to mammals that live in the sea. However, I fail to see an explanation for this phenomenon in creationism. I guess that you could say that the creator made a mistake, and gave whales something they didn't need, but that certainly isn't very satisfying. Any other explanations for this, Dan? By the way, this is not the only example of this happening. One other example that comes to mind is the evolution of horses hooves, where you can see the gradual loss of toes until things reached the current state Dave Fritzinger Public Health Research Institute NY,NY allegra!phri!fritz