Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sfmag.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!mhuxm!sftig!sftri!sfmag!samet From: samet@sfmag.UUCP (A.I.Samet) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Nausea ad Nauseum Message-ID: <622@sfmag.UUCP> Date: Mon, 8-Jul-85 01:29:39 EDT Article-I.D.: sfmag.622 Posted: Mon Jul 8 01:29:39 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 8-Jul-85 07:29:34 EDT Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Summit, NJ Lines: 44 > ... The point being: you have based your views on > what is right on the content of Torah. But who on earth are you to say > that other people are obliged to hold that same view? You feel bound > to those laws for yourself, and that is fine. But to claim that OTHERS > *must* adhere to them because you do is ludicrous. 1 - Believe it or not, I don't expect anyone to accept the Torah without proof of its validity. 2 - As I have explained previously, it is virtually impossible to do justice to the issue of proof of the validity of Torah within the limits of net discussions. I therefore suggested reading material on this extensive and complicated subject for anyone who is genuinely interested in exploring it. 3 - If there were a net.atheism or net.antireligion I would consider it inappropriate to harass contributors of that net with my beliefs. There would be no purpose in this, and no genuine dialogue would be possible, unless I were willing to painstakingly prove my axioms to to all the atheists and anti- religionists for whom that net was dedicated. 4 - When addressing net.religion.jewish, I feel free to express Torah views, as such, without having to prove the axioms of Torah belief as a precondition for expressing these views. If there are atheistic contributors, I would hope that they remain cognizant of the context of this net, just as I would if I were writing in net.atheism. 5 - Within net.religion,jewish, I am willing to engage in discourse with anyone who is sincerely interested in exploring the Jewish religion. 6 - Unfortunately, I made the mistake of debating someone who has no interest whatsoever in the Jewish (or any) religion and who argues solely for the sake of malicious antagonism. I apologize to net readers for my role in encouraging the endless, cyclical, redundant monologues which have ensued. I will try to restrain myself from being baited into exchanges with people who are not seeking real discourse. I hope that others will do likewise so that we can get away from the nauseating and futile word contests that we have been witnessing. Yitzchok Samet