Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!gargoyle!shallit From: shallit@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP (Jeff Shallit) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: Congratulations to the NRA Message-ID: <504@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> Date: Mon, 24-Jun-85 12:13:04 EDT Article-I.D.: gargoyle.504 Posted: Mon Jun 24 12:13:04 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 25-Jun-85 08:06:20 EDT References: <484@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <166@idsvax.UUCP> <> <494@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <> Reply-To: shallit@gargoyle.UUCP (Jeff ) Organization: U. Chicago - Computer Science Lines: 28 Summary: >> = Jeff Shallit > = Don Steiny >> The truth is that decreased availability of handguns would cut the suicide >> rate, especially among males. > > The truth is that you believe that that would be true, but >that you have no way of knowing. It is increasingly clear that >what you mean by "true" is that you agree with it. > Nice try, Don. You have conveniently ignored the two paragraphs above my statement, which cited evidence from the suicide rate decline in England after the carbon monoxide content of natural gas decreased, and the differential in suicide rates between men and women, due primarily to the wider use of handguns by men. But we don't have to be content with such secondary pieces of evidence. A study in the American Journal of Psychiatry (1980) entitled "The Influence of Gun Control Laws on Suicidal Behavior" found that "states with stricter gun control laws in 1968 had lower suicide rates in 1969-1971 and a smaller increase in the suicide rate over a 10-year period". What say now, Don? Jeff Shallit University of Chicago