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From: zubbie@ihlpl.UUCP (Jeanette Zobjeck)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Changing Roles
Message-ID: <217@ihlpl.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 15-Jul-85 21:55:22 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jul 15 21:55:22 1985
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> In article <206@ihlpl.UUCP> zubbie@ihlpl.UUCP (Jeanette Zobjeck) writes:
> 
> >I re-iterate:
> >All that is asked by most women I know is that men overlook the purely
> >physical differences, forget they exist for the purposes of conducting
> >business or producing profitable work.
> >     
> 
> They were both excellent!  And then the women walked about three months
> into the contract.  She had gotten pregnant *before* she had signed
> up with me.  Of course I, as an employer, am not allowed to ask such
> silly questions as "Are you pregnant now?  Do you plan to get pregnant
> during the term of the assignment?".  That is discriminatory and 
> against the law, you see.

The ethics and morals of individuals will (being self-deterimined) always
leave room for those people male or female who will do or say anything 
in oder to get what they want. 
I do not condone this type of activity and I feel that women who indulge in 
this particular trick are only working to the detriment of all other women
While it may be discriminatory to ask it is ethically and morally (mine
anyhow) to be open about such items and try to find a way towork them 
into the state of negotiations if possible. If it costs me the job well
at least I was honest about it and may be next time that honesty will
get me the position I want over someone else who although as qualified
as I is an unknown factor in that area.

> 
> 
> Anyway, she walked off and said "Go ahead! Try to sue me. You can't --
> I'm pregnant!".  And you know what: she was right! I had no hold over
> her: my lawyer told me to piss into the wind for better results.
> It seems that to sue her for any reason *based* on her pregnancy would
> be discriminatory, and therefore not valid grounds for a suit.
> 
This obviously shows that perhaps not all of your selection process was
as good as you thought it to be because the selfishness the this person
as you describe her (are you being as honest as you might be if you
were not so financially involved ('=)( /2   ) is a major character
flaw which should have shown up in the screening process. Honesty and
professional pride are hard quantities to subjectively test for today
but selfishness is not perhaps you should reevlauate the means by
which you determine employability.

> 
> Total cost of the above: $18,000 ---- of MY money.
> 
> Ross M. Greenberg  @ Time Inc, New York 
> 
One last thought.

One woman who takes a job knowing that because of a pregnancy she will
not be able to complete it or who becomes pregnant and deliberately
hides the issue untill she has to leave and then tell t to sue her for it 
does not mean all women will do the same thing.
What is your opinion than of a man who takes on such a project and
then accepts a better position with another employer and tells you 
to sue him. While your chances of recovering your money may be better
would the fact that it was a man and he was moving up in his profession make
any difference to you? ( I really would be interested in your thoughts.)


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