Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version nyu B notes v1.5 12/10/84; site acf4.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!think!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!acf4!mms1646 From: mms1646@acf4.UUCP (Michael M. Sykora) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Explorations of "social-interest": Back to Basics Message-ID: <2380051@acf4.UUCP> Date: Wed, 26-Jun-85 17:51:00 EDT Article-I.D.: acf4.2380051 Posted: Wed Jun 26 17:51:00 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 1-Jul-85 06:23:45 EDT References: <657@whuxl.UUCP> Organization: New York University Lines: 26 >/* robg@mmintl.UUCP (Robert Goldman) / 11:29 am Jun 24, 1985 */ >It is quite possible >that the interests of a group are some non-obvious, non-intuitive function >of the interests of its members. Could you give an example? I really don't see how this is possible >Furthermore, Mr. Sevener's auto example makes it clear that by becoming >a member of a group, my interests are changed. I don't find this clear at all. Joining a group can change intemediate goals, i.e., goals, the achievement of which are necessary for the achievement of ultimate goals. But ultimate goals would never change. >Even this is a big >concession to the libertarians, for it is clear that human beings as >individuals, rather than as members of society, only exist in works of >fiction like _Robinson_Crusoe_ and _Anthem_. Human beings are individals. They form societies for mutual benefit, i.e., to facilitate achievement of their individual goals. > Robert Goldman Mike Sykora