Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!mtunh!mtung!mtunf!ariel!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: The Scientific Case for Creation: (Part 47) Message-ID: <559@psivax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 11-Jul-85 22:06:36 EDT Article-I.D.: psivax.559 Posted: Thu Jul 11 22:06:36 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 17-Jul-85 20:30:57 EDT References: <405@iham1.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Distribution: net Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 90 Summary: In article <405@iham1.UUCP> rck@iham1.UUCP (Ron Kukuk) writes: > > THE SCIENTIFIC CASE FOR CREATION: 116 CATEGORIES OF EVIDENCE > >III. (Earth Sciences): THE EARTH HAS EXPERIENCED A WORLDWIDE FLOOD. > > > B. MANY OF THE EARTH'S PREVIOUSLY UNEXPLAINABLE FEATURES CAN BE > EXPLAINED ONLY BY THIS FLOOD. > > The origin of each of the following features of the earth is a > subject of controversy within the earth sciences. Each > typically involves numerous hypotheses and unexplainable > aspects. Yet all of these features can be viewed as direct > consequences of a singular and unrepeatable event--a > cataclysmic flood whose waters burst forth from worldwide, > subterranean, and interconnected chambers with an energy > release in excess of one trillion megatons of TNT. The cause > and effect sequence of the events involved phenomena that are > either well understood or are observable in modern times. > > 97. glaciers and the ice age > 98. frozen mammoths > 99. salt domes > 100. continental drift > 101. coal formations > 102. mountains > 103. overthrusts > 104. extinction of the dinosaurs > 105. ocean trenches > 106. submarine canyons > 107. mid-oceanic ridge > 108. magnetic patterns of the ocean floor > 109. strata > 110. continental shelves and slopes > 111. submarine volcanoes and guyots > 112. metamorphic rock > Very interesting, and totally false! There are *no* known mechanisms by which a flood could cause all these phenonoma. At least not without rewriting physics. The physics of flooding is *well* understood on the basis of studies of recent floods. The sedimentology of floods is very distinctive and easily recognized in rocks, and is very different from the sedimentology found in most sedimentary strata! I can not see a flood of any sort embedding alternating magnetic domains in strips along the ocean floor in *volcanic* rocks! And so on for most of the above points. A flood *could* have caused extinctions, but then you must assume that *some* animals didn't make it to the Ark, a clear contradiction to the "accepted" acount. > > 113. Every major mountain range on the earth contains fossils > of sea life. Ditto, this is also not explainable by a flood. > > 114. Practically every culture on earth has legends telling of > a traumatic flood in which only a few humans survived in a > large boat [a]. > So what! Simialar cultures in similar circumstances are likely to generate similar myths! Or do you want to argue that the similarity of pantheons from various cultures is reason to believe in many gods? These pantheons are often more similar to noe another than the flood myths!(I have read a North American Indian flood myth - totally different than the Biblical myth except in the general plot as outlined above) > > 115. The majority of the earth's mountains were formed after > most of the sediments were deposited. If these mountains > were again flattened out (while the ocean basins were > allowed to rise in compensation for this downward flow of > mass), the oceans would flood the entire earth. Therefore, > there is enough water on the earth to cover the smaller > mountains that existed prior to the flood. > This is not evidence, merely a contrivance to make the creation at least appear consistant. I.E it is an *assumption*. > 116. Seeds can still germinate after soaking for a year in salt > water [a]. > *Some* seeds can so germinate, but by no means *all*. Germination factors vary considerably from species to species. In fact some seeds will not germinate after a year at all. -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen