Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 / QGSI 2.0; site qubix.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!decwrl!sun!qubix!lab From: lab@qubix.UUCP (Larry Bickford) Newsgroups: net.news,net.news.group Subject: Re: Removing net.flame Message-ID: <1624@qubix.UUCP> Date: Fri, 28-Jun-85 22:02:43 EDT Article-I.D.: qubix.1624 Posted: Fri Jun 28 22:02:43 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 30-Jun-85 03:08:07 EDT References: <3892@alice.UUCP> <1913@ut-ngp.UTEXAS> <476@umcp-cs.UUCP> Organization: Quadratix ... Quartix Lines: 33 Xref: watmath net.news:3530 net.news.group:3202 As the man said: "Self-government won't work - without self-discipline." Wherein Usenet will not discpline itself and will not allow itself to be disciplined, it does not deserve to be. [Editorial - this also applies to the news media.] Abuse requires three things: abuser, victim (not necessarily a specific person), and channel for abuse. Ending abuse can thus be done by removing the victim from any possible channel, removing the channel, or removing the abuser. The middle implies nuking net.flame; but abusers will find other places to dump on. The first implies a strictly technical and/or moderated net. [Yes, I hear those raspberries! I want to keep {ba,ca}.general.] The last is illegal unless: the abuser's company does something the abuser's news feed(s) do(es) something News feeds don't have to account for no longer servicing an abuser's site. In the case of a multi-site place such as UCLA, though, this may not be easy. But if a site thinks that an abuser is costing them something, they then have reason to take action.... may take some creativity in the case of UCLA, but it's the only sure way without endangering Usenet's current anarchy. Or you can settle for the other alternatives... your choice. -- The Ice Floe of Larry Bickford {amd,decwrl,sun,idi,ittvax}!qubix!lab You can't settle the issue until you've settled how to settle the issue.