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From: baba@spar.UUCP (Baba ROM DOS)
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Subject: Re: Libertarians in Space
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Date: Thu, 11-Jul-85 03:32:02 EDT
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> There are many motivations besides self-interest and greed --- but there
> are no so certain (sic) to be present in almost all people, almost all the
> time.  The socialists assume that most people will look out for the interests
> of the society as a whole; libertarians assume that most people will
> look out for their own interests.
>
>					Clayton Cramer

I took "socialist" to be used in the sense of antithesis to libertarianism,
as it has been used more-or-less interchangeably with "statist" in previous
libertarian nhetoric.  However, in view of your later explanation:

> Good point.  Let me clarify.  The Soviet Union (and a lot of other
> socialists, including the ones who find the Soviet Union embarrassing)
> maintain that the capitalist system has created self-interested
> individuals, rather than a True Socialist Man.  They believe that by
> creating a society in which self-interest in not rewarded, that people
> will become less self-interested, and more collective-interested.

It is clear that you were contrasting libertarianism with utopian Marxism.

Since none of us who have posted objections to libertarianism has argued 
from such a Lysenkoist perspective, I'm somewhat puzzled as to why you 
brought it up.

						Baba