Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site ihu1m.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!ihu1m!jho From: jho@ihu1m.UUCP (Yosi Hoshen) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Answer to Rich's X-Y logic challenge Message-ID: <494@ihu1m.UUCP> Date: Mon, 8-Jul-85 20:54:05 EDT Article-I.D.: ihu1m.494 Posted: Mon Jul 8 20:54:05 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 9-Jul-85 07:37:50 EDT References: <277@ucdavis.UUCP> <329@mhuxi.UUCP> <611@sfmag.UUCP> <612@sfmag.UUCP> <1137@pyuxd.UUCP> <4610@allegra.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 39 > The > Torah's injunction against homosexuality is no different than any of > its other laws, and clearly has nothing to do with anything remotely > connected to Nazism. Let's please agree on that, and stop beating this > ridiculous notion to death. I agree with you on this issue. Nazism can only compared with Nazism. > The main issue seems to be the > relationship between the Torah and those Jews who today choose not to > accept it. The Orthodox viewpoint is that the commitment made by our > forefathers at Sinai was binding on their descendants for all time; > anyone else will doubtless contend that this is ridiculously unfair. > I contend that this is the root of the disagreement which has led to a > month of drivel in this space - homosexuality and Nazism are good > eye-grabbing buzzwords, but the real question is "Do orthodox Jews > have the right to assume that the Torah applies to all Jews?" > Of course, this is where divinity and belief come in, so it gets very > difficult to prove anything - but I think a discussion of this topic > directly would be much more productive than the current rank-out > session. So please let us know whether you think that the orthodox Jews should impose the Torah on those Jews who do not accept it. > > Apologies for the length of this piece, but I suppose it fits right > in. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > this is a religion group, right, Rich? so... > "Like a clergyman (Gasp!), defrocked for the very first time..." > > Jay Hyman > allegra!jay *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** -- Yosi Hoshen, AT&T Bell Laboratories Naperville, Illinois, Mail: ihnp4!ihu1m!jho