Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sdcc6.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!hao!hplabs!sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!sdcc3!sdcc6!ix415 From: ix415@sdcc6.UUCP (Rick Frey) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Black's ravings Message-ID: <1958@sdcc6.UUCP> Date: Sat, 9-Mar-85 23:12:51 EST Article-I.D.: sdcc6.1958 Posted: Sat Mar 9 23:12:51 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 12-Mar-85 09:37:41 EST References: <5080@fortune.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: U.C. San Diego, Academic Computer Center Lines: 38 > Also there are gay people who feel that they are called to the ministry, > and while I don't feel that anyone should be compeled to go to a minister > that they have qualms about, I don't feel that these should be denied > ordination either. Perhaps they could be ordained to serve people who > do not feel such bigotry. That is a rather odd idea. If the Bible and religion does teach that homosexuality is wrong than ordaining a gay person to teach and lead a church seems a little peculiar. If the person in question admits to being homosexual and says he won't change than to have that person lead a church is completely against Biblical teaching and even common sense. A person that willfully and deliberately defies Biblical teaching and authority can obviously not teach that the Bible is to be obeyed or that the Bible is authoratative in the areas of morality and lifestyle, both important Biblical doctrines. If, however, the church in question doesn't feel that homosexuality is wrong, than there should be no problem. > Please reread the story of Sodom and find homosexuality mentioned > specifically. According to the way I read that story, the sin of Sodom > is never specifically laid out. But Christinoids have always been > distinguished by their ability to twist their "Good Book" into an > instrument for the justification of their prejudices, so this is no > new trick. Absolutely true. The Bible no where states that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for homosexuality. As a matter of fact, many Biblical scholars (at least the ones I've read) say that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was not practicing hospitality. About "twisting their 'Good Book' into an instrument for the justification of their prejudices, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were known for their moral perversity and sexual immorality and the word sodomize (having sexual relations with animals) has its derivation in the sexual practices of that city. Rick (not Rich)