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From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: net.politics.theory
Subject: Re: Meta-government
Message-ID: <347@psivax.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 26-Feb-85 19:08:57 EST
Article-I.D.: psivax.347
Posted: Tue Feb 26 19:08:57 1985
Date-Received: Sun, 3-Mar-85 05:41:37 EST
References: <656@unmvax.UUCP> <264@cmu-cs-k.ARPA> <690@unmvax.UUCP>
Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley friesen)
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In article <690@unmvax.UUCP> cliff@unmvax.UUCP writes:
>> All the countries of the UN have already agreed to human rights accords
>> equivalent to your restrictions imposed by the meta-government, Cliff.  Most
>> of them just ignore them because there is no enforcement power.  How do you
>> suggest the meta-government enforce its rules?  (If it doesn't, it is no
>> different from today.)
>
>I know surprisingly little about the UN, could you please reproduce some text
>and the name of the appropriate document that supports your claim.  To refresh
>memories, here is my meta government desire:
>
>>>>	National governments may not kill their citizens and
>>>>	People may emmigrate at anytime assuming another National
>>>>	Government is willing to accept them (this includes incarcerated
>>>>	criminals).
>
>Remember, killing citizens includes death penalties.
>Emmigration at any time includes convicted criminals.
>
>Enforcement?  Just let a country get its act together
>and smoke the remaining countries with a sufficiently
>higher standard of living, lower crime rate, non-troublesome
>unemployment, etc.  The difference will be so dramatic
>that all the non-citizens will have quite a bit of incentive
>to join the coalition.  "We will bury them :-)"
>
>				--Cliff
	This is not sufficient answer. If a country is willing to
ignore the accords and implement a death penalty then it can use it
to prevent emmigration!  Where then is the accrd?  This is essentially
what some countries are doing now, and it seems to be very effective,
especially in combination with misleading or false reports about the
more pleasant countries. I am sorry, but without enforcement a
sufficiently egotistical leadership could easily abrogate the
whole concept!
	And I have grave doubts about emmigration of criminals.
Many of these people are highly anti-social and could not live
peacably anywhere. Or do you think the Atlanta Child Murderer
can really be trusted not to do it again if only he were allowed
to emmigrate?  Such people *must* be locked up or killed, for the
safety of everyone else.
-- 

				Sarima (Stanley Friesen)

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