Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lanl.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!jlg From: jlg@lanl.ARPA Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Taxation is theft? Message-ID: <22827@lanl.ARPA> Date: Mon, 4-Mar-85 18:15:15 EST Article-I.D.: lanl.22827 Posted: Mon Mar 4 18:15:15 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 8-Mar-85 04:05:12 EST References: <21651@lanl.ARPA> <346@psivax.UUCP> Sender: newsreader@lanl.ARPA Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 28 > >People do this sort of thing all the time. There are numerous organizations, > >clubs, political parties, lodges, etc. in existance all the time. NONE of > >them can vote to extract payment from members or non-members against that > >person's will. The victim of such a transaction has legal recourse to those > >governmental bodies which superceed the organizations in question. > > > >J. Giles > > Wrong, ever hear of a "closed shop" labor union? This is > the employee is coerced into paying union dues regardless of personal > desires. And don't say he can always quit, I know of very few "blue > collar" workers who can afford to be out of work(or at least not > without getting unemployment comensation - a tax supported program). > Sarima (Stanley Friesen) Please read the context and followup of discussions before firing off a response like this. If you had, you would have known that the discussion was about whether a collected body (people in train) could vote to force some member to part with his money. I claimed that this would not be permitted since the laws governing the jurisdiction through which the train was passing would prohibit it. As for 'closed shop' labor unions - they exist only where the are allowed to exist by the local or state governments. 'Right to work' laws would settle the problem admirably. But then, I said all of this in a follow-up already. J. Giles