Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site topaz.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!cbdkc1!desoto!packard!topaz!@RUTGERS.ARPA:boyajian%akov68.DEC@decwrl.ARPA From: @RUTGERS.ARPA:boyajian%akov68.DEC@decwrl.ARPA Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers Subject: re: STAR TREK II on ABC Message-ID: <873@topaz.ARPA> Date: Tue, 5-Mar-85 02:06:41 EST Article-I.D.: topaz.873 Posted: Tue Mar 5 02:06:41 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 6-Mar-85 02:52:23 EST Sender: daemon@topaz.ARPA Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 59 From: boyajian%akov68.DEC@decwrl.ARPA > From: francini%cygnus.DEC@decwrl.ARPA (John Francini) > The question that comes to this observer is: WHY did the NETWORKS end up > with this 'augmented' version? Why didn't this end up in the theaters? Or > cable? Or videodisk/tape? > > The second one of course is when WILL it? [The text of this answer also appeared in net.startrek as a response to different posting.] Remember when STAR WARS appeared on CBS a year ago? The ratings were abysmal. Why, when SW was one of the top money-makers of all time? Because by the time it appeared on CBS, most of the people who cared about seeing it already had a copy of the tape/disk, or had rented such, or had seen the movie a few months before on HBO (and probably taped it from there, too). Adding scenes to the two TREK movies, or the two SUPERMAN movies for that matter, for their network screening was done to give a reason for those folks who already had the movies on tape or had seen them on cable to watch the network tv showing. This is a perfectly resonable thing to do, and I enjoy having these various alternate versions around. What pissed me off royally about this adding of scenes to WRATH OF KHAN is that there was no mention anywhere in TV GUIDE or anywhere else that there were going to be scenes added. With STAR TREK---THE MOTION PICTURE and SUPERMAN---THE MOVIE, there was heavy advertisement much in advance that there was going to be additional material. The other Sunday, however, after checking TV GUIDE and seeing no mention of extra material, I assumed that there would be none, and so, didn't bother watching it, let alone taping it. Why should I have? I have the film on Beta Hi-Fi tape. By not advertising the extra scenes, they probably lost quite a few viewers. Well, I can always hope that they'll re-release the videotape with the extra material like they did with ST---TMP. > From: jcr@Mitre-Bedford (Jeff Rogers) > Surely everyone remembers when ST:TMP was first shown by ABC and > was expanded quite a bit in order to fill out a three hour time slot. > I liked this version of ST:TMP quite a bit better than the theatrical > version; is this expanded version available on any medium? Yes, it is. As I said above, ST---TMP was re-released on videotape/disk in its expanded form. As far as I know, both versions of the film are still "in print" on tape and disk, though I believe that the expanded version is the only one available in VHS Stereo or Beta Hi-Fi formats. This is unlike CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, of which only the "Special Edition" is available on videotape (to say nothing of the tv version, which combines all of the elements of both theatrical versions). I don't think that the tv versions of either of the Superman movies are available on tape, either. --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, Maynard, MA) UUCP: {decvax|ihnp4|allegra|ucbvax|...}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-akov68!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%akov68.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA