Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watdcsu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watdcsu!haapanen From: haapanen@watdcsu.UUCP (Tom Haapanen [DCS]) Newsgroups: net.auto Subject: Re: Big block vs emissions & HP, apples and oranges?! Message-ID: <1082@watdcsu.UUCP> Date: Thu, 7-Mar-85 11:04:25 EST Article-I.D.: watdcsu.1082 Posted: Thu Mar 7 11:04:25 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 8-Mar-85 03:27:31 EST References: <284@oblio.UUCP> Reply-To: haapanen@watdcsu.UUCP (Tom Haapanen [DCS]) Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 53 In article <284@oblio.UUCP> jeff@oblio.UUCP (Jeff Buchanan) writes: >Wrong again as usual. The cars I'm comparing DO conform to the same standard. >They are all street driven cars. I drive my car on average 20 miles a day, >just as the mentioned cars are. Your mistake is choosing the wrong standard. >If someone decides to weaken their engine with smog pumps and make other >adjustments to meet the arbitrary standards of the EPA, that's their business. >They can expect to get their doors blown. Jeff, take a look at any reasonable sanctioned race series. They have separate classes for 'showroom stock' and 'modified'. If you do work on your car, it no longer is stock, and hence you end up being in a different class. Yes, they are apples and oranges. Or is a street-legal 935 in the same class as you? >For the most part, I am talking >about street legal cars that did meet government standards the year they >were produced. Your comparison to a VW Beetle is comparing apples to >oranges. Sub-9 second VW's do exist, but they are trailered to the race >track and their slicks never touch a residential street. Also, they >don't have VW engines, blown hemi's are the norm for the cars you cite. Wrong again as usual. [ :-) ] There are *many* street-driven VWs out there that can do the quartermile in the 9-second range. They don't have blown hemis either; they usually run VW engines (no *real* VW enthusiast will but a water-cooled engine in a Bug) in the 2-litre to 2.4 litre range, frequently turbo'd and occasionally with nitrous. And they do blow rat-motored Corvettes off the stoplights. >This is because there is no thrill beating a car that has purposely been >designed to produce tiny amounts of horsepower. Fine, Jeff, fine. To each his own... >But the EPA standards are arbitrary when you consider the >REAL health hazards that the EPA purposely choose NOT to go after. AMAZING! Jeff, we actually agree on something! EPA's and Environment Canada's hypocrisy (sp?) really makes me puke. Incidentally, where are you going to get gas for your '66 when the new laws come into effect? I won't have the problem since I intend to sell my car in order to make a trip to Europe this summer [ :-( and :-) ], but I'm sure there are a h*ll of a lot of people out there with high-performance engines (be they rat Chevys, blown VW flat-fours or BMW 2002tii's). \tom haapanen watmath!watdcsu!haapanen Don't cry, don't do anything No lies, back in the government No tears, party time is here again President Gas is up for president (c) Psychedelic Furs, 1982