Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-lymph!arndt From: arndt@lymph.DEC Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: To Barry Shein Message-ID: <791@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Wed, 27-Feb-85 23:44:09 EST Article-I.D.: decwrl.791 Posted: Wed Feb 27 23:44:09 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 2-Mar-85 03:22:10 EST Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 72 Barry: Welcome to net.abortion. However I do not feel that I can agree with your comments, especially "we have created the need for abortion" and "the woman is abandoned first". I do agree that more support for women with an "unwanted or untimely" pregnancy is what is needed. A few facts: o 98% of all abortions are done because, in the words of Dr. Irvin Cushner, an abortion supporter, the women undergoing abortions "do not wish to be pregnant at this time." Dr. Cushner, of the UCLA Medical School, testified before a 1981 Senate subcommittee that only 1% of abortions are performed because of any physical health problems of the mother. The May/June 1984 issue of FAMILY PLANNING PERSPECTIVES, a journal affiliated with Planned Parenthood, states that "most abortions have no strictly medical indication." [It seems to me that it is not the woman who is abandoned but the baby!!! Abortion as performed and used in this country is a matter of CONVENIENCE!] o 60% of women having abortions did not make any attempt to use contraceptives at the time they became pregnant, according to Luella Klein, M.D. president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (cited in the Jan.23,1983 WASHINGTON POST) o Over 12,000 abortions in 1980 were done on unborn babies 21 weeks (six months) or older, an age when some babies, if born prematurely, have lived. (cited from the Jan/Feb 1983 FAMILY PLANNING PERSPECTIVES) o In 400 - 500 abortions each year, the 'dreaded complication' occurs and the baby is born alive, according to Dr. Willard Cates, then chief of abortion suveillance for the Center of Disease Control (Cited in "Abortion: The Dreaded Complication", Philadelphia Inquirer, Aug.2,1981) Of course since that time abortionists are perfecting their methods so THEY don't have to 'finish' the operation after "it" starts crying. o 26% of all pregnancies end in abortion. o Every 21 seconds a baby is aborted. --------------------------------- Hardly a case of poor struggling women desparately seeking a way out of a horrible situation. Rather people not wanting to take responsibility for their acts. But, if there IS justice, they are only putting off and making worse their fate. I know that there are exceptions to the above behavior I mention. But these women (the famous rape/incest women) are NOT what abortion in this country is about dispite what some 'theorists' would have us believe. But don't worry. It's changing. What a crime it has to go on through so many poor little lives snuffed out. Isn't it strange. When you WANT a baby then long before it is 'born' we talk of 'baby' in the womb. How could there be an ANGRY God? One that would make us PAY for doing wrong? He has to LOVE us all! It's only fair. Note carefully that the Christian God has made a way of escape for EVERYONE who has 'sinned' to find forgivenes. One of the major thrusts of the REAL woman's movement, the 'traditional values' woman's movement is to minister to women who have had an abortion and are suffering guilt because of it. There are several organizations with hotlines, etc. But I've started preaching. I don't want to kill the abortionists (or blow them up) just stop them. Regards, Ken Arndt