Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!houxm!whuxl!whuxlm!akgua!sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!godot!ima!inmet!nrh From: nrh@inmet.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Orphaned Response Message-ID: <2004@inmet.UUCP> Date: Wed, 27-Feb-85 02:16:40 EST Article-I.D.: inmet.2004 Posted: Wed Feb 27 02:16:40 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 3-Mar-85 02:57:44 EST Lines: 39 Nf-ID: #R:whuxl:-48800:inmet:7800314:177600:2122 Nf-From: inmet!nrh Feb 26 01:30:00 1985 >***** inmet:net.politics / whuxl!orb / 7:00 pm Feb 22, 1985 >> Mc Kiernan >> Should I ever possess a piece of land such that an Indian can >> reasonably demonstrate that (s)he is legitimate heir to a legitimate owner >> who had the property wrested from h(im|er), I will turn it over. > >This misses the point. Of course no Indians will have any "deed" or "title" >to any land since they did not consider land something that could be owned. >To the Indians such a question would be equivalent to asking what gives >anybody the right to breathe the air: where's the title for such an activity? >Who owns the air? How do you claim to wrest *my* air from me? > tim sevener whuxl!orb >PS - I would also like to ask the Libertarians on this net what they paid >for the privilege to use the net. Did you pay your $$$$$ for the right to >express your opinions? WHAT!! You think that some people should be able >to express their opinions without *paying* for it!! Heresy!! >---------- > Tim: I don't ordinarily pay for freely-given gifts. Libertarians have argued in this forum that one doesn't have to, but you've responded here as if such objections were never made. They have been. Please get over this notion that libertarians want everyone to pay for everything. That's impossible and silly. Think of it this way: There are three ways I can get what I want from you: I can receive it as a gift, I can purchase it from you, or I can initiate force or fraud to get what I want from you. Libertarians are only interested in a society relatively free of the last method. I would prefer (I think) the first method, but it's not practical in most cases. Of course, we've in general no OBJECTION to the first method at all. For details, you might check out Friedman's "Machinery of Freedom" -- the chapter "Love is Not Enough" is what inspired this article. Of course, it's possible you knew this all along, in which case, chalk up another straw man for you..... By the way, when I speak here of "Libertarians", I'm speaking for myself and most of those libertarian philosophers I've read.