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From: ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward)
Newsgroups: net.origins
Subject: Re: WARNING TO SCIENTISTS
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Date: Fri, 8-Mar-85 11:33:24 EST
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Posted: Fri Mar  8 11:33:24 1985
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> I'd like to see
> more solid discussions of evolutionist and creationist positions
> in this newsgroup, as opposed to personal attacks and futile discussions
> of which side is honest/dishonest.

I'd like to see some solid discussion of this issue, also.  For
almost two years I have observed Scientists and fellow travelers
asking, nay demanding, that someone post some solid evidence
that a creator created the world as we know it.  The best we
have gotten is evidence that there is something incomplete about
our knowlege of origins.  This is not disputed by anyone.  This
is also no evidence for the theory of creation by creator.

Charges of dishonesty are bound to arise when people who call
themselves scientists engage in activities that are regarded
by the world of science as unethical.  This is essential to the
well-being of science.

Creationists consistently engage in behavior that would result
in professonal ruin if done by a real scientist.  Since they
are religious, rather than scientific, people this behavior
is supported and applauded by their peers.

Everything about Creationism and Creationist points to the
fact that it is not science and they are not scientists and to
suggest otherwise is a lie.  And telling lies is dishonest. 
And no amount of whining is going to change this basic reality.
-- 

Michael Ward, NCAR/SCD
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