Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site ihu1n.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!ihu1n!amra From: amra@ihu1n.UUCP (s. aldrich) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Return With Us Now To Those Thrilling Days Of Yester-Year! Message-ID: <185@ihu1n.UUCP> Date: Mon, 4-Mar-85 20:47:40 EST Article-I.D.: ihu1n.185 Posted: Mon Mar 4 20:47:40 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 6-Mar-85 02:15:43 EST Distribution: net Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 103 *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** Don, Although you are entitled to hold your particular view(s), I believe there are MANY OTHERS in the world at large who may not. I'd like to make a few brief comments on a couple of the points you addressed. Here goes....... YOU STATE: From: black@nisysg.DEC Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Faux pas; Identity Message-ID: <715@decwrl.UUCP> Please also understand that there are also some of us who, while being ded- icated to the concept of the equality of the sexes, firmly believe that the philosophies of Unisex and/or Homosexuality are distasteful at best. *** MY COMMENT(S): ******** Why have you lumped UNISEX & HOMOSEXUALITY TOGETHER? Since when have "Androgeny" & "Homosexuality" been interchangeable? Last I heard they are totally seperate issues/concepts/practices. What should be done with those persons who choose NOT to "CONFORM" to YOUR STANDARDS of "NORMALITY"? Also, are you implying that the "women's movement" is "responsible" for both the Unisex & Homosexual movements? Please, I'd really be interested to hear your reply. SLA ********* People tend to follow the crowd, and pick up the currently popular fads. "Try it, you'll like it." **** MY COMMENTS: ****** Gee, this sounds like a very close "approximation" of why some, (many?) people join "Organized Religious Movements", such as the {Non}-Moral {NON}-Majority, to me. If everyone would only think/act/speak/etc... the same, it would resolve All of our differences right? :-) ******** I submit that most of the problems in today's modern world are caused by the discarding of the old traditions, beliefs, and liturgies by the world's major religions. I believe that a general return to the Old Ways would bring a substantial improvement to the quality of life for the world. I personnally have found that my understanding of the world around me, and my sense of purpose in life, has improved greatly since I discovered a Conservative belief about religion. ***** MY COMMENTS: ******** I disagree very strongly with the above comments. In my opinion, for what *little* that's worth, many of "Today Problems.." are so bad because of the "Good-Old-Days" which you're so fond of. Back then people didn't address/re-dress these problems, they "usually" IGNORED THEM ALTOGETHER! Are you implying that in the "Good Old Days" people didn't sexually molest their children or others? What about Slavery? What about Racial Segregation? What about "Homosexuals"? WHat about ......? You can't really think these problems are only "recent" ones can you? Comments?..... *********** And I haven't yet found any of our clergy advocating the opening of "refugee" camps or the displacement of other religious or ethnic groups. On the other hand, there are undeniably several movements whose only goal is to destroy religion and enslave anyone who espouses it. **** MY COMMENTS: ********* No, but they have begun "BURNING BOOKS & RECORDS" which is only a short step away. They Also wish to "BAN CERTAIN BOOKS" from our school systems. Sounds like they're already on their way to re-instating the "witch-hunt" again in society. Also, I seem to recall that in the "Good Old Days" that numerous "Religious Authorities" instigated "movements to destroy and enslave any group or individual who didn't go along with "THEIR VERSION" of reality! I'm not advocating the abolition of religion, but it has had more than a few "Crusades" to wipe the Heathens/Pagans off the face of the planet! Try Reading some History Books for a change! There are other good books besides "THE GOOD BOOK" around. ********** I'd be interested to hear your followup to the above Don. I hope to hear from you ASAP on this. If I've made some "errors" please correct me. I try to keep an open mind on these things. Maybe that is what's REALLY is bothering you about "todays society"; too many people who think for themselves. PEACE & BEST WISHES From THE Resident Zen-Baptist: Steven L. Aldrich (ihnp4!ihu1n!amra) "...Your Daily Life Is Your Temple & Your Religion! Whenever You Enter Into It, Take With You Your All." From "The Prophet " P.S. If we MUST GO BACKWARD in time, let's be SMART and return to the TREES!" There'd be a lot less sufferring for the PLANET if we only could/would! If those little furry critters had stayed where they were, this whole argument would be POINTLESS! OOPS, I forgot YOU ,and your kind, NEVER EVOLVED! Maybe THAT's the REAL Problem. :-)