Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watdcsu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watdcsu!dmcanzi From: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: San Quentin strip searches -- a new twist Message-ID: <1071@watdcsu.UUCP> Date: Mon, 4-Mar-85 20:23:36 EST Article-I.D.: watdcsu.1071 Posted: Mon Mar 4 20:23:36 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 5-Mar-85 01:56:19 EST References: <3365@alice.UUCP> <2295@randvax.UUCP> <951@watdcsu.UUCP> <773@utcsri.UUCP> <974@watdcsu.UUCP> <292@mtxinu.UUCP> Reply-To: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi) Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 33 Summary: In article <292@mtxinu.UUCP> ed@mtxinu.UUCP (Ed Gould) writes: >> What you seem to be saying is that men, as a group, are guilty of >> oppressing women, as a group. I say that the world is made up of >> individuals. *I* haven't oppressed any women lately, so don't try >> to make *me* feel guilty. > >Are you really so sure? There are many ways to oppress, some of them >are *extremely* subtle. We all take part in patterns that contribute >to the oppression of women, which is to say that, even though the world >*is* made up as individuals, it is reasonable to consider groups when >dealing in matters such as these. You appear to be encouraging me to feel vaguely guilty about vague sins only vaguely hinted at. Whatever do you *mean* by "patterns that contribute to the oppression of women"? >As far as reciprocal injustice goes, I'm willing to shoulder some of it >because I recognize that I'm part of a group that *is* responsible. >(I don't believe at all that this group is composed entirely of men, >however. There are many women in the world who contribute to their >own oppression.) If the only reason you can give for your willingness to be punished is your membership in a group of people *many* (but not necessarily all) of whom oppress women, then you are accepting the guilt for somebody else's actions. If so, why are you willing to do this? Do you believe that the women who belong to this group should be punished too? If, on the other hand, you feel personally responsible, can you actually *name* any way in which you (or I) have made a non-trivial contribution to the oppression of women? -- David Canzi