Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site mtxinu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!rochester!rocksvax!parcvax!hplabs!intelca!qantel!dual!unisoft!mtxinu!ed From: ed@mtxinu.UUCP (Ed Gould) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: San Quentin strip searches -- a new twist Message-ID: <292@mtxinu.UUCP> Date: Wed, 27-Feb-85 12:31:58 EST Article-I.D.: mtxinu.292 Posted: Wed Feb 27 12:31:58 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 4-Mar-85 06:01:26 EST References: <3365@alice.UUCP> <2295@randvax.UUCP> <951@watdcsu.UUCP> <773@utcsri.UUCP> <974@watdcsu.UUCP> Organization: mt Xinu, Berkeley, CA Lines: 24 > What you seem to be saying is that men, as a group, are guilty of > oppressing women, as a group. I say that the world is made up of > individuals. *I* haven't oppressed any women lately, so don't try > to make *me* feel guilty. > -- > David Canzi Are you really so sure? There are many ways to oppress, some of them are *extremely* subtle. We all take part in patterns that contribute to the oppression of women, which is to say that, even though the world *is* made up as individuals, it is reasonable to consider groups when dealing in matters such as these. The most we can do as individuals is to take our part to break the patterns - not just to try to avoid them ourselves, but to try to change them in the group. As far as reciprocal injustice goes, I'm willing to shoulder some of it because I recognize that I'm part of a group that *is* responsible. (I don't believe at all that this group is composed entirely of men, however. There are many women in the world who contribute to their own oppression.) -- Ed Gould mt Xinu, 739 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA 94710 USA {ucbvax,decvax}!mtxinu!ed +1 415 644 0146