Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site amdahl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!amdahl!ems From: ems@amdahl.UUCP (ems) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: Re: Gary Perlman leaves the net in disgust Message-ID: <1213@amdahl.UUCP> Date: Fri, 1-Mar-85 17:50:43 EST Article-I.D.: amdahl.1213 Posted: Fri Mar 1 17:50:43 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 4-Mar-85 04:21:59 EST References: <156@wanginst.UUCP> <356@scc.UUCP> <437@down.FUN> <44@daisy.UUCP> <1444@dalcs.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Circle C Shellfish Ranch, Shores of the Pacific, Ca Lines: 48 > > I was saddened to hear of Gary's leaving the net. The net as a > social entity has it's share of abusers and criminals and although > I do not know Gary personally or the exact nature of the "HATE > MAIL" I feel it must be of a particularly vile and offensive nature > to cause this reaction in Gary. I don't know any of the players, and not much of the incident. But it is fun to watch... > It is unfortunate that the net is > so illequipped to deal with this kind of offence, unlike other > social groups we have no disciplinary body to deal with crimes > against the net and I'VE GOT IT! net.peoples.court!!! > in most(all?) cases it would be impossible to > prove an offence against someone by someone in particular due to > the inherent insecurity of the net. Because of this I have two > fears: > > 1) That a vigilante movement will start where individuals or > even whole sites would be ostracized or inundated with hate mail, > this would be unacceptable as it would be very easy to arrange for > such vigilante groups attention to be focused on an innocent user. > > 2) That as things are now it is very likely that these > criminal acts will become more and more common. > > It's cold outside and the wolves are at the door, I wish I had > a useful suggestion but I can't think of anything to correct this, > I do know however that the ostrich act is not a solution. You see, it works like this: A trial *by* your peers in net.peoples.court where all can present their evidence (and refute false evidence) with the convicted party subject to such social punishments as are deemed fitting. These could include ostracisim (sp?), hate mail, ridicule, why, we could even taunt them until they relented! I'm sure you can think of others... E. Michael Smith ...!{hplabs,ihnp4,amd,nsc}!amdahl!ems Computo ergo sum The opinions expressed by me are not representative of those of any other person - natural, unnatural, or fictional - and only marginally reflect my opinions as strained by the language.