Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: EnGardaeopteryx (part 4 of 6) Message-ID: <350@psivax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 28-Feb-85 12:02:07 EST Article-I.D.: psivax.350 Posted: Thu Feb 28 12:02:07 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 4-Mar-85 04:09:01 EST References: <732@uwmacc.UUCP> <620@mhuxt.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley friesen) Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 32 Summary: >Paul Dubois writes: >> >> But whether the idea is true or not, it *is* the case that a number of >> proposed intermediates have been rejected as such (by evolutionists) on >> the basis of EXACTLY the above reasoning: a form is not transitional to >> another form if it exists contemporaneously with it. Lungfish, for >> example. My beloved coelecanth, for another. Archaeopteryx is under >> the same pressure since the discovery of other fossils which are clearly >> birds contemporary to it. Actually there are *no* fossils which are "clearly" birds contemporary with Archaeopteryx. One paleontoligist found a series of fragmentary limb bones from the Morrison formation which he identified as birds. He even named on of them. However several other workers, including the well-respected anatomist - Dr Thulborn, have since questioned his interpretations. It seems most paleontologists consider these specimens to be pterosaurs not birds. This shows the importance of following the discussion in the professional journals, to see what is actually going on. The last time this was brought up in this news group the only reference provided was from "Science News", which is simply a *newspaper* dedicated to reporting scientific news *not* a real journal. As such it has all the shortcommings of other newspapers as far as science is concerned. I had a very difficult time tracing down the actual journal articles involved so I could make a rational evaluation of the evidence. -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen