Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watarts.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watarts!kevyn From: kevyn@watarts.UUCP (KCT) Newsgroups: net.women,net.women.only Subject: Re: Male voices over female commercials Message-ID: <8212@watarts.UUCP> Date: Fri, 11-Jan-85 01:46:19 EST Article-I.D.: watarts.8212 Posted: Fri Jan 11 01:46:19 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 12-Jan-85 01:37:12 EST References: <448@wlcrjs.UUCP> <8207@watarts.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: U of Waterloo, Faculty of Mathematics Lines: 56 Xref: watmath net.women:4029 net.women.only:325 > > Recently , while driving to work, I heard a commercial for Working Woman > > Magazine which was presented in a very effective way, I thought, by the > > publisher, who is a woman, of the magazine. Immedeately after the message > > was delivered but still a part of the ad tape a male voice began affirming > > the importance of this publication to all working women. > > > Methinks the idea that we, as women, need a man to help us make up our > > minds as to the importance of things should be one of the first items > > we need to delete from the world mind as we try to gain the place > > which is rightfully ours as people and individuals. > > > > Jeanette L. Zobjeck > > Come on now! I hardly think that "male voices in female commercials" > are something to get so uppity about. Quit the "women of the world, unite!" > stuff. I agree that discrimination in ANY form, against men OR women, is > unacceptable. There is no need, though for your type of reaction, which > ranges on paranoia. > > > Kevyn Collins-Thompson University of Waterloo, Waterloo, ON, CANADA !! > ....{allegra|clyde|utzoo|ihnp4|decvax}!watmath!watarts!kevyn > > > As a comment to my response to Jeanette L. Zobjeck's posting about "Male Voices in Commercials": I have been flamed heavily already for this article. As I pointed out in a response to one of these letters, my article was meant initially as a private reply to Ms. Zobjeck. Since attempts by postnews were unsuccessful at the destination site, I finally >sigh< decided to post it. This was indeed a Bad Decision, and I anticipated the very strong replies. I do not, though, apologize for what I said to Ms. Zobjeck. I certainly do not regard "Male Voices in 'Female' Commercials" (quotes mine) to be discriminative against women. I certainly do regard Ms. Zobjeck's posting, however, to be somewhat unfair to men. A male voice had a right to speak in this commercial just as much as a female voice, if true "equality" is to be assumed. I do not know if the advertising executive, or whoever is responsible for the creation of the commercial, had an ulterior motive for having a man's voice at the end of the commercial. Ms. Zobjeck, ironically, assumed that this creator was a man! Is it still "discrimination" if this creator turns out instead to be a woman? Thus, my reply to the original author, which, I admit, was harsh. I do not pretend to speak for anyone except myself in these matters. I was NOT trying to tell people what they should and not discuss in this or any newsgroup, and I was NOT implying that I dislike reading discussions in net.women.only. I will quit reading the newsgroup when I do. Again, I apologize for this mess; I believe, though, that Ms. Zobjeck's "delete" approach to man-woman (in alphabetical order :->) mutual under- standing will always be counter-productive. Yours truly, Kevyn Collins-Thompson , University of Waterloo, Waterloo, ON, CANADA !! ....{allegra|clyde|utzoo|ihnp4|decvax}!watmath!watarts!kevyn