Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site unc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!fsks From: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Re: Jews for Jesus Message-ID: <48@unc.UUCP> Date: Mon, 14-Jan-85 16:31:55 EST Article-I.D.: unc.48 Posted: Mon Jan 14 16:31:55 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 15-Jan-85 02:31:17 EST References: <186@teklds.UUCP> <246@whuxi.UUCP>Reply-To: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) Organization: CS Dept., U. of N. Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 42 Summary: Selectively quoting from article jah@philabs.UUCP (Julie Harazduk): >What about Jews for Jesus. Are they not Jews. Or are they not >because you and other Jews on the net (now the ultimate authority, huh?:-) >decide they're not? Who's the judge anyway? and: >Christians are just responsible for telling people the good news >as given to them by Jesus (a Jewish Prophet) and His apostles (given >authority by Jesus). They will not stop doing that, I guarantee. The founders of the Christian movement were indeed Jews. They believed that Jesus was the once and future messiah (similar to King Arthur, the once and future king of England). These Jews were called Nazarenes (sp?). Other Jews were skeptical, or held no opinion. Since no one knows for sure who the long-awaited messiah will be, Jews are free to speculate that he will be Jesus, reincarnated. On the other hand, perhaps the messiah will turn out to be my late Uncle Fred. But probably not. The Nazarenes broke with the Jewish faith when they decided that Jesus was actually God himself, not merely prophet and/or messiah. Jews have always considered it idolatry to worship a man as a god. Any man. Even a messiah. That God, Jupiter or Zeus would sweep down to earth, impregnate a virgin, resulting in a divine offspring -- this is a pagan idea, reminicient of the stories of Theseus and Hercules, which was probably not accepted until the gentile "non-converts" outnumbered the Jews amoung the Nazarenes. This is what gave the Nazarenes a bad name amoung the other Jews, and why there is so much hostility to the Jews for Jesus movement. Do you, Julie Harazduk, accept the doctrine of the trinity of God? If so, you are not a "Jew for Jesus", but a Christian. Frank Silbermann TIME FLIES LIKE AN ARROW, BUT FRUIT FLIES LIKE A BANANA.