Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83 based; site hou2h.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxj!houxm!hou2h!mr From: mr@hou2h.UUCP (M.RINDSBERG) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! Message-ID: <714@hou2h.UUCP> Date: Wed, 9-Jan-85 10:12:11 EST Article-I.D.: hou2h.714 Posted: Wed Jan 9 10:12:11 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 11-Jan-85 07:15:15 EST References: <118@decwrl.UUCP>, <210@talcott.UUCP>, <704@hou2h.UUCP>, <158@abnji.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 47 - - >>> ********** FREE BERNHARD GOETZ ! ! ! ! ****************************** - >>> ********** (and give him more bullets) ****************************** - >> - >>No, let him have a long conversation with the guy he paralyzed (a pretty - >>severe punishment for an attempted mugging). - > - >Lets talk about the guy he paralyzed. - >Would he have ever contributed positively to society ? - >Do you normally walk around with sharpened screwdrivers ? - >I think he should have killed all 4. People (People ?) will then think - > twice before mugging, killing, raping ..... - > - >Next, Why don't the 4 have jobs ? What were they doing on the subway - >at that time ? - - Good point. Why don't they have jobs? Why has the education system - failed them? Could it be that society hasn't given them the advantages - it gives us? Could it be that they see that as the only way they can get - money? If we were to stop thinking about punishing criminals and start - thinking about preventing crime by making in unecessary, we will finally - be able to call ourselves civilized. Until then... Why has the education system failed them !?!?!? Its just the reverse they have failed the education system. WOULD YOU GIVE THEM A JOB ???? The only way to get money ? What ? What the hell is welfare all about ???? When I had no job and no money , I certainly didn't go around mugging people. Society hasn't given them the advantages ? Bull !!! There are public schools all over the country in which anyone can attend and given a certain amount of initiative they can become a positive part of society. There is one way to stop crime, make the punishment so unbearable such that before committing the crime the person will think very hard about doing it. Even if the punishment must be the death penalty (and I am not saying that it must be), but something has to be done. - - It seems funny that those European countries who do all those things we - say will not stop crime have a significantly lower crime rate than us. I - wonder why? I think we should make sure that the matter of ethnic groups does NOT ever enter the conversation here. Mark