Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site philabs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!godot!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!philabs!jah From: jah@philabs.UUCP (Julie Harazduk) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: Re: WHAT????? Message-ID: <202@philabs.UUCP> Date: Wed, 2-Jan-85 12:28:26 EST Article-I.D.: philabs.202 Posted: Wed Jan 2 12:28:26 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 5-Jan-85 01:51:17 EST References: <2641@ihldt.UUCP> <194@philabs.UUCP> <333@tymix.UUCP> Organization: Philips Labs, Briarcliff Manor, NY Lines: 43 > > For Jews who accept Jesus as the messiah, the sabbath is often still > > at this time. > > > > Julie Harazduk > > ihnp4!philabs!jah > > There is NO such thing as "Jews who accept Jesus as the messiah." People > who "accept Jesus as the messiah" are Christians -- no ifs, ands or buts > about it! > > Lynn Gold > Alumnus of the National Hebrew Honor Society and > employee of Tymnet, Inc. Well, here's one to prove it! I'm still a Jew by virtue of my birth! I'm also a Christian by virtue of my choice! I believe G-d keeps the promises He makes to His people and I've accepted the fullfillment of them. Besides, the Jewish nation is defined by descendancy--from Abraham's seed-- not by faith and actions towards G-d. For example, Gen. 17:4-7 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a G-d unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. (KJV) Plenty of times G-d had to turn His children toward Him and away from their sin (see Psalm 78). Sin is defined by the Law, so if Jesus isn't the Messiah, then I'm just another sinful Jew and if Jesus is the Messiah then I'm forgiven by the Grace of G-d. The word "Christian" is just another word for "Messiah believer", anyway. Julie Harazduk {inhp4|allegra}!philabs!jah Psalm 80:19 Turn us again, O Lord God of hosts, cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.