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Subject: Re: Male voices over female commercials
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Date: Fri, 11-Jan-85 01:46:19 EST
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> > Recently , while driving to work, I heard a commercial for Working Woman
> > Magazine which was presented in a very effective way, I thought, by the
> > publisher, who is a woman, of the magazine. Immedeately after the message
> > was delivered but still a part of the ad tape a male voice began affirming
> > the importance of this publication to all working women. 
> 
> > Methinks the idea that we, as women, need a man to help us make up our
> > minds as to the importance of things should be one of the first items
> > we need to delete from the world mind as we try to gain the place
> > which is rightfully ours as people and individuals.
> > 
> > Jeanette L. Zobjeck
> 
> Come on now!  I hardly think that "male voices in female commercials"
> are something to get so uppity about.  Quit the "women of the world, unite!"
> stuff.  I agree that discrimination in ANY form, against men OR women, is
> unacceptable.  There is no need, though for your type of reaction, which
> ranges on paranoia.
> 
> 
> Kevyn Collins-Thompson    University of Waterloo, Waterloo, ON, CANADA !!
>       ....{allegra|clyde|utzoo|ihnp4|decvax}!watmath!watarts!kevyn
> 
> 
>
     As a comment to my response to Jeanette L. Zobjeck's posting about
"Male Voices in Commercials":  I have been flamed heavily already for this
article.  As I pointed out in a response to one of these letters, my article
was meant initially as a private reply to Ms. Zobjeck.  Since attempts by
postnews were unsuccessful at the destination site, I finally >sigh< 
decided to post it.
     This was indeed a Bad Decision, and I anticipated the very strong
replies.  I do not, though, apologize for what I said to Ms. Zobjeck.
I certainly do not regard "Male Voices in 'Female' Commercials" (quotes mine)
to be discriminative against women.  I certainly do regard Ms. Zobjeck's
posting, however, to be somewhat unfair to men. A male voice had a right
to speak in this commercial just as much as a female voice, if true "equality"
is to be assumed. 
     I do not know if the advertising executive, or whoever is responsible
for the creation of the commercial,  had an ulterior motive for having a
man's voice at the end of the commercial.  Ms. Zobjeck, ironically, assumed
that this creator was a man!  Is it still "discrimination" if this creator
turns out instead to be a woman?
     Thus, my reply to the original author, which, I admit, was harsh.
I do not pretend to speak for anyone except myself in these matters.  I
was NOT trying to tell people what they should and not discuss in this or
any newsgroup, and I was NOT implying that I dislike reading discussions
in net.women.only.  I will quit reading the newsgroup when I do.  Again,
I apologize for this mess;  I believe, though, that Ms. Zobjeck's
"delete" approach to man-woman (in alphabetical order :->) mutual under-
standing will always be counter-productive.

				Yours truly,

Kevyn Collins-Thompson ,  University of Waterloo, Waterloo, ON, CANADA !!
      ....{allegra|clyde|utzoo|ihnp4|decvax}!watmath!watarts!kevyn