Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lanl.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!cbdkc1!desoto!packard!edsel!bentley!hoxna!houxm!mhuxj!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!godot!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!wkp From: wkp@lanl.ARPA Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish,net.politics Subject: Re: Tutu Makes a DooDoo Message-ID: <18994@lanl.ARPA> Date: Sat, 5-Jan-85 23:05:33 EST Article-I.D.: lanl.18994 Posted: Sat Jan 5 23:05:33 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 8-Jan-85 03:38:38 EST References: <95@mit-athena.ARPA> <466@fisher.UUCP> Sender: newsreader@lanl.ARPA Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 35 Xref: watmath net.religion.jewish:1203 net.politics:6642 [David Rubin states:] > Regarding nationalism, I suggest Martillo not limit his diatribes to > Moslems. It seems almost all nationalistic movements, even if they > begin constructively (preservation of culture, furthering of identity, > advancement of education), assume malevolent form (supression of other > nationalities). It is not something peculiar to Arabs or Islam, nor > something from which Jews are themselves immune. > Now that David Rubin and Rich Rosen have again demonstrated their universal love for all of mankind, maybe now we can discuss the facts. To call wholesale murder by Muslim governments of non-Muslim peoples "supression" (sic) is a criminal understatement. It is also a very insensitive remark to make, especially since many Bahais, Kurds, black Christians, and ethnic Chinese are continuing to be murdered every day by these governments. Martillo is definitely not singling out Arabs; Muslims in Indonesia and Malaysia are especially well-known for their brutality and inhumanity. If you can find any ethnic Chinese left in these countries, just ask any one of them. Finally, we should ask how nationalist movements like Zionism, Gandhi-ism, and the American civil rights movement managed to avoid including wholesale murder as a basic policy. Islam is an historically mature movement, with an age of over a thousand years, and yet still shows no willingess to accept the basic tenets of civilized society. American Jews, more than any other people in this country, should be especially and painfully aware of the treatment their brothers have had at the hands of these governments. bill peter !seismo!cmcl2!lanl!wkp