Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxj!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!ucbvax!medin From: medin@ucbvax.ARPA (Milo Medin) Newsgroups: net.legal,net.politics Subject: Re: NYC subway hero Message-ID: <3989@ucbvax.ARPA> Date: Tue, 1-Jan-85 16:07:46 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.3989 Posted: Tue Jan 1 16:07:46 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 3-Jan-85 03:47:29 EST References: <121@cadre.UUCP> <4850@utzoo.UUCP> Organization: University of California at Berkeley Lines: 54 Xref: watmath net.legal:1166 net.politics:6528 Perhaps the guy didn't stick around because even if he's innocent on grounds of self defense, he couldn't afford the legal battle (I doubt the ACLU's ;awyers would take his case), or even he might have feared reprisals against his family by friends of the men he shot. There are a lot of reasons for running away. While a lot of people may applaud him, there are probably a few who would try to get even. And if somebody wants to kill you bad enough in this country, they can certainly do it. I remember when I back on my family's farm several years ago and we were being harrassed by a bunch of hoodlums (killed our dogs, broke into our house, made threatening phone calls, etc...), I was awakened one night by the sound of prowlers outside. My bedroom was on the second floor, so I grabbed my rifle, which I kept in my bedroom, loaded it, and went to the window to look around. I saw 2 T-shirts in the vineyard, and put the crosshairs right on the center of one. I thought to myself, if I fire, who is going to be in more trouble, me or that guy. Even if I fired and hit him in the shoulder or leg to stop him so the police could interrogate him, would this be considered 'unnecessary use of force'? Could he sue me? Perhaps I should have killed him right there. Would I be arrested? What would happen to my family? I put the gun down. Before I had even gotten up, my mother had called the sheriff. It took them about 15 minutes to get there, despite my mom telling them that I was armed and going to take care of the situation myself if they didn't get there quickly. They showed up about 5 minutes after I lost sight of the punks. It was a full moon that night, and very clear, so I had a very good view. They showed up in force, 5 cars at once. They fanned out and looked around, one deputy saw them and gave chase on foot, but the punks reached their car and took off leaving the deputy on foot and out of range of fire. After 3 months and 2 more dogs and a lot of other garbage, it stopped all of sudden. I never knew why or who, and still don't. They were really scum too, when they killed my dogs, they just tied them up and slit open their bellies, or shot them in the leg, never allowing a quick death. Once they put ground glass in their dog food. I wonder what the people are responsible are doing now. Perahps I should have fired. I don't blame that guy for not sticking around. With idiots like Koch running things, who knows what would have happened. I understand he's turned himself in. Koch has had him charged with 4 counts of attempted murder. His name is in all the papers, and even gang members can read names. I feel sorry for the guy. I dount he'll be found guilty, no jury in the country would convict him. But what else happens to him may not be so nice. Milo