Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site utcsrgv.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!west From: west@utcsrgv.UUCP (Thomas L. West) Newsgroups: net.games.frp Subject: Re: More new spells Message-ID: <682@utcsrgv.UUCP> Date: Sun, 20-Jan-85 22:15:14 EST Article-I.D.: utcsrgv.682 Posted: Sun Jan 20 22:15:14 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 20-Jan-85 22:41:39 EST References: <9300038@uiucdcs.UUCP> Reply-To: west@utcsrgv.UUCP (Thomas L. West) Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Lines: 38 Summary: <> I think that spells that change characteristics at 3rd (convert) or 5th(the weaken derivative) level on a permanent basis are way out of line. I really can't see any cleric having less than 25 wisdom after level 7. Just find unwise people to convert. The other spell is even worse. The way that I read it was that the entire party of a 9th level MU would have 25 strength (or 18/00 if racial limits apply) by capturing a tribe of kobolds and draining them all. As an aside, I have received a bit of mail that the some of the spells I posted were a bit out of line as far as power goes. As far as the Magic Missile derivates are concerned, I agree. I haven't used them yet, and I expect the DM didn't think them through when he allowed them. I imagine that he'll also revoke it when I use it for the first time. Hence I am saving it for a "So this is it, we're going to die." type situation. As for the Feanor's Fireball, I would point out that at my level (16), it does 56 points of damage. A 17th level FTR with double proficiency in L.Sword, L. Sword +4 and Strengthed up to 18/00 will do, on a triple attack round (due to the double proficiency), an average of ( 4.5(dam) + 4(sword) + 6(strength) + 2(double prof) ) x3= 49 hp damage. (Remember she is hitting AC:-5 on a 1 so she misses rarely) I have assumed that the creature attacked by the FFB would make its save, but then, at 16th level, one is fighting creatures with saves of 1, anyway. And that is ignoring the mandatory 50% MR that it seems everybody and his uncle have at this level. (Except us, of course.) When was the last time you met a creature with sword resistance? As well, a 16th level MU would get 1 FFB a day. How many times can a FTR attack? As far as multiple targets go, at 18th level and above, people and monsters are smart enough to space themselves out, so only 1 or *maybe* 2 creatures are liable to get caught in a FFB. As far as immolation goes... Well, it *looks* like the MU is being immolated (ie burned up in flame). Okay, okay, feeble excuse. But then Common isn't Feanor's first language. Tom West aka Feanor the Xenophobic Elf { allegra cornell decvax ihnp4 linus utzoo }!utcsrgv!west