Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!ucbvax!medin From: medin@ucbvax.ARPA (Milo Medin) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: self defense, etc. Message-ID: <4043@ucbvax.ARPA> Date: Sat, 5-Jan-85 15:52:50 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.4043 Posted: Sat Jan 5 15:52:50 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 6-Jan-85 03:56:16 EST References: <177@tekred.UUCP> Organization: University of California at Berkeley Lines: 45 > > Whether the legal system agrees or not, you have a basic human right > (duty?) to defend your life, the lives of your family, and your > property. The question is, how to do it and best avoid the ensuing > inevitable legal hassles. > > One way is the "kill 'em and arm 'em" method. For example: > when Milo had the punk in his crosshairs, he could have shouted > something to make the guy turn around first, then > blow him away, i.e., kill him. For heavens sake, don't wound > him. Then, it helps to have an extra fingerprint-free > Saturday night special lying around that can be placed in the > guy's hand to "prove" that he was about to shoot you (make sure > the guy's hand prints and pocket lint get all over the gun). > > When it boils down to either you or them, you'd > better make damn sure it's going > to be them! > > P.S. I learned this from a cop. A long long time ago after my mom was widowed, we had someone come around to try and scare her off the property. I was only 5 at time, so I just sort of watched what was going on. They came around and cut the phone lines, then broke into the house. My mom, scared stiff, went downstairs with a shotgun, and shot at the guy, deliberately aiming to miss. The guy ran off alright. The sheriff came and told my mom that if she had killed him, she should have dragged him into the house and told them he was threatening her life, else they would have had to arrest her. They said they would fix it so it would look like thats what happened, and never, never wound someone, always shoot to kill if you have to shoot. They could take your house and all your possessions in a lawsuit if they survived and you couldn't PROVE your life was in danger. This seems to be a pretty stupid attitude to take. If someone is on your property causing trouble, as far as I am concerned they are dead meat if shot, and the owner has a right to do it. If you are causing trouble then you have given up your rights by not assuming your responsibilities from which you get your rights in the first place. Thats the social contract, and no one will force you to break it unless you choose to do so yourself. Trying to make people figure out 'reasonable use of force' under such stressful conditions is ridiculous. Milo