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From: rjv@ihdev.UUCP (ron vaughn)
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: a new group???
Message-ID: <139@ihdev.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 9-Jan-85 19:59:11 EST
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Posted: Wed Jan  9 19:59:11 1985
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you got it!!! net.singles.js   (jeff sargent)


this is a second draft of this letter.  i first wrote it on jan. 3, right
after i got back from christmas vacation.  i was going to post it to
net.flame, but then i though i'd let it cool for a while, and post it
to net.singles, where it really belongs.  i toned it down and took out all
the mean(funny) stuff.  i'm not trying to be sarcastic or humorous, i think
this news group at times has a serious problem, and i have a serious
proposition as a solution.

/* we now resume the old letter in progress (funny intro deleted)... */
...

what brought this letter on??  i just got back from my christmas vacataion,
and was catching up on notes from dec. 19 to jan 2, and i happend to notice
in net.singles on my machine there were 42 articles that did NOT refer to
JS, and 34 that were either his, or a follow up to his. that is nearly
half of the notes in the topic!!  were they all about new and interesting
things??? of course not.  they were all the basic "oh, i'm such a loser, such
a poor christian, i'm not as good a person as christ, i can't find an SO,
i had a terrible childhood, i had a terrible teenage-hood, i'm having a
terrible adult-hood, i can't find myself, i lied and acted to all the people
i met when i toured america, i dislike most of the human race, i'm the problem,
i'm scum"


jeff, it was ok the first time.  it was ok, the second time.  i didn't mind
the third, but about the 218th time really started to bother me (and 
quite a few others)

my god jeff, do you REALLY deserve 32 of 76 articles to be by/about you?  all
the same dribble we've been watching for months??  are your problems that
incredibly important we ALL have to hear you beg for and then reject the same
advice every couple of months?  do you know what it's like to sit down and
read (i read notes off line) 32 letters about your problems in less than
45 minutes??  you start to see the big picture developing.  you put up these
"oh poor me letters", you get the "your not so bad, jeff", and then you say
"oh, but i am!" and they say "no, your not", and then you....

we ALL have problems jeff.  i have a wonderful girlfriend, but she happens
to be 800 miles away from me (for the next 1.5 years).  long dist. relationships
are very hard on a person.  but i'm not going to come on the net once a month
and TELL everyone in america, just so they can say "chin up, old boy, it's only
540 more days!!" (aaaaaagh!)

you happen to have more problems than any eight people i know.  i'm sorry 
about that.  you come across as a very screwed up person.  ahhh, jeff, you
big lug.  i *do* feel sorry for you.  i almost feel guilty about writing
a letter like this, but i love the fan mail!!  B-) just kidding.  

here's the jist of all of this:  jeff, are you REALLY getting anything out
of reading this group?  better yet, is the group getting anything out of
your participation??  it's the SAME OLD STUFF, time after time.  it's as if
you wait for new people to get on the net so they can fall for your "i'm not
a perfect human" lines, and send net.sympathy mail.  those of us who have been
on the net for a while are getting a little fed up with all of this.
look at the traffic you generate.  and have i ever ONCE seen you say "wow!
thanks for the advice, i think i'll try it your way" or "gee, i never looked
at it that way, maybe i'll give your thought a shot".  NEVER.  it's always
"...but i'm not just a bad SO, i'm a worthless human, so your advice doesn't
apply to me" and that kind of junk.

i went and looked at all the net.singles articles on the machine i'm on,
and when i looked at a few months worth, you only had about 1/5 or so of
the articles devoted to your "problems".  still, i think that is enough to
bring out a net.singles.js.  you think i'm kidding??  at times you have
a MUCH larger proportion of the net.singles traffic than say net.music.classic
has compared to net.music, yet classic has it's own group.  this stuff is
getting OLD jeff.  very old!  it's dull.  it's repititious.
have you ever HONESTLY (i'm very serious) thought about NOT wasting so 
much time on the net, and work on all of your "problems" instead?
i'm not saying you shouldn't have the right to use this group, but you
are HURTING the group more than anything.  try to be a christianoid and
"think of others" and all that stuff.

if enough people think there should be a net.singles.js, drop me a line, and
i'll post something to net.news-groups or whatever it's called.


	i CAN'T use the 'n' key, i read notes off line!!!!!

		ron vaughn	...!ihnp4!ihdev!rjv

ps:  once again i'll come of looking like the big bad guy, and once again
i'll probably be speaking for the silent majority who are being polite
by not saying anything, but 'n'-keying this group away.

pps:  i took this perfect letter and went back and added all the grammar and
spelling mistakes in memory of mrs. perkins, my 5th grade english teacher.