Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site utcs.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!davids From: davids@utcs.UUCP (David Schwartz) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Hilchot Shabat Message-ID: <359@utcs.UUCP> Date: Wed, 16-Jan-85 16:52:42 EST Article-I.D.: utcs.359 Posted: Wed Jan 16 16:52:42 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 16-Jan-85 16:59:50 EST References: <605@spuxll.UUCP>, <44500007@uiucdcs.UUCP> Organization: University of Toronto - General Purpose UNIX Lines: 21 >According to the book "Shmirat Shabat K'hilchata" (first edition, 12:16) >"in case of need" it is permissible to turn the switch on (and certainly off) >while the timer is off; to avoid "muktzeh" one should switch it unnaturally. >[This book is highly regarded, but, of course, there are some who disagree.] That sounds like a big chiddush to me. Keep in mind that the first edition did not receive Rav Moshe Feinstein's haskamah because it contained kulahs that he did not agree with. Also, when used in hilchot shabbat, the term "in case of need" usually refers to a very important need, and the consequent kulah should almost certainly be relied upon only in exceptional circumstances. To me it would seem that turning the light switch on with the timer off would probably be considered an indirect act, or an act performed in an unusual way, and thus would be prohibited rabbinically. All of the above is my own opinion and thus should not be relied upon. -- ---- University of Toronto Computing Services David Schwartz {cbosgd,decvax,harpo,ihnp4,utcsrgv,{allegra,linus}!utzoo}!utcs!davids