Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ames.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!zehntel!zinfandel!dual!ames!barry From: barry@ames.UUCP (Kenn Barry) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: re: self-defense (may Lauri's karma come true) Message-ID: <753@ames.UUCP> Date: Tue, 8-Jan-85 21:23:50 EST Article-I.D.: ames.753 Posted: Tue Jan 8 21:23:50 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 12-Jan-85 00:29:25 EST References: <347@stcvax.UUCP> Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center, Mtn. View, CA Lines: 40 [] From stcvax!jps (Jeffrey P. Snover): >>Please excuse my bloodthirstiness, but if I am being attacked, I will most >>certainly do my best to stop my attacker. If I must maim or kill him/her, >>that's the way it goes. My "moral paradigm" is protecting myself. If, in >>the process of doing so, I have to be "immoral and irresponsible", I will. >>I think attacking someone is "immoral and irresponsible" also. > >>If I have to act like an animal to defend myself against an animal, dammit, >>I'm going to do so!!! What do you suggest? That I simply shouldn't fight >>my attacker because I'm so much better morrally than they are? Wonderful. >>I can die superior. Excuse me if that isn't a great comfort to me. > >Your view of the situation is obviously obstructed by the lower end >of your digestive path. Your logic is similar to some graffitti that I >saw at the University of Colorado: "Murder all Rapists!". If that is >your attitude then I hope your karma is realized - for what you put out >is what you will get. What does your gratuitously insulting response have to do with the article you quoted? No one suggested vigilante action against rapists, just defense against an actual attack. As someone (Ed Hall?) pointed out, it does take judgment to know the best method of handling an attack. Every situation is different; in some cases, running away might be the best idea. BUT - *if* your life is threatened by a physical attack, and if resistance seems the best course of action, do whatever it takes to be *sure* you've stopped the creep. And if that means killing him, so be it. It is foolish to bluff, or to look for minimax solutions when someone is threatening your life. Someone in the act of trying to rape a woman has thrown away, for that moment, all rights to consideration of his well-being. For the intended victim, there is only one consideration - finding a method of stopping him that works. - From the Crow's Nest - Kenn Barry NASA-Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- USENET: {ihnp4,vortex,dual,hao,menlo70,hplabs}!ames!barry SOURCE: ST7891