Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site philabs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!godot!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!philabs!jah From: jah@philabs.UUCP (Julie Harazduk) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Re: What is a Jew? Message-ID: <203@philabs.UUCP> Date: Wed, 2-Jan-85 13:29:20 EST Article-I.D.: philabs.203 Posted: Wed Jan 2 13:29:20 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 4-Jan-85 07:58:09 EST References: <480@mako.UUCP> <20980046@cmu-cs-k.ARPA> Organization: Philips Labs, Briarcliff Manor, NY Lines: 46 > = Tim > To keep this in perspective, recall that there exist various Christian > evangelical groups which seek to convert Jews to Christianity by dishonest > means, specifically by pretending to be Jewish. (The infamous "Jews for > Jesus" is, I understand, one such group, and was created by evangelizing > Christians who had never been Jews.) They come across at first, that is, at > the beginning of the semester, as a purely Jewish group, and have meetings > where they discuss Jewish topics. Then they start bring up "The Prophet > Yeheshua" who was "hung on a tree" and his sayings -- since most Jews are as > ignorant of their religion as most Christians are of theirs, the audience > thinks this is part of the Torah. It gradually becomes more and more > Christianized, although only very late do the organizers let anyone in on > this. As such, this is a deceptive and intolerable practice. > > And that, I'll wager, is why whoever it was objected to the phrase "Jews who > happen to be Christians". Understandable in the light of the previous > paragraph, even if you can make a case for the possibility of such a thing. > To avoid the appearance of such impropriety, please refrain from such > phrases. The phrase was not "Jews who happen to be Christians", that is something that neither a Jew nor a Christian would say so lightly. The topic seemed to come up when I was talking about Jews accepting Jesus as the Messiah, as in "Jews for Jesus". I am not very familiar with the group and their practices, I know that they hold onto the Jewish customs more than most of the Gentile (non-Jewish) Christian religions. I think most of the "Jews for Jesus" ARE Jewish, though, because when I attempted to go to a Service for Yom Kippor this year in New York, all the people coming out were Jewish. Some of my friends who have been to their services are Jewish as well, and they have chosen not to go regularly because the Jewish ritual is very much maintained in the services. > > (This has been posted to net.religion.jewish as a warning to Jews who may be > unfamiliar with this sort of evangelizing, and to invite first-hand accounts > from any Jew who may have run into one of these groups.) > -=- While you're warning Jews of the dangers of Jesus, warn them of the dangers of not keeping G-d's Laws also. Julie Harazduk {inhp4|allegra}!philabs!jah Prov. 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.