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From: alien@gcc-opus.ARPA (Alien Wells)
Newsgroups: net.flame
Subject: Re: Re: Its a bad law
Message-ID: <188@gcc-opus.ARPA>
Date: Thu, 10-Jan-85 12:17:14 EST
Article-I.D.: gcc-opus.188
Posted: Thu Jan 10 12:17:14 1985
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References: <727@loral.UUCP> <216@talcott.UUCP> <181@gcc-opus.ARPA> <2277@mit-hermes.ARPA>
Reply-To: alien@gcc-opus.UUCP (Alien Wells)
Organization: General Computer Company, Cambridge Ma (creators of Ms. Pacman)
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In article <2277@mit-hermes.ARPA> jpexg@mit-hermes.ARPA (John Purbrick) writes:
>In article <216@talcott.UUCP> gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg Kuperberg) writes:
>>>Actually, the problem is much worse than that.  Almost half of us have
>>>commited genocide by masturbating.
 
>> I think you are underestimating the extent of the *problem*.  According to
>> the last statistics I saw, the figure is about 50% for women and over 90% 
>> for men, giving a composite average of about 70% for the population.
 
>No, no, no--Onan "spilled his seed upon the ground" but a woman gets one seed a
>month; use it or lose it, but losing it isn't genocide no matter what else she
>gets up to.

I heartily disagree.  If you think about it, a man doesn't lose any more sperm
if he masturbates than if he doesn't.  He gets n quazillion sperm a month, and
he either uses it or loses it.  If one claims that male masturbation is 
genocide, then it is NOT because of the waste of sperm (they all would have
died soon enough anyway) but rather because sexual acts are *meant* for
procreation, and *wasting* a sexual act without the *intent* of procreation
is thus denying a possible life.  (Presumably oral sex, bestiality, anal sex,
homosexuality, and sex with pizzas would all fit into the same category.)

Seen in this light, female masturbation is just as much a *wasting* of a 
perfectly good sexual act which could have been *used* for procreation.

However, after great contemplation on this weighty moral matter, it has come
to my attention (no pun intended) that if a woman masturbates in the same
month where she actively pursues standard heterosexual sexual activity for
the purpose of procreation (lets say for the sake of argument that she is
successful) that one would have a harder time labelling it as genocide since
the egg for the month is, in deed, being *used*.  Another case is a woman who
masturbates while pregnant.  No egg, no genocide.  On the other hand, these are
rather *degenerate* cases, and I don't think it is common enough (seen as
a percentage of female masturbation) to affect the overall argument.

Nevertheless, the ramifications of this matter are rather broad, and perhaps
there should be more *serious* discussion of it.  One person here suggested
broadening the distribution to net.aborition, net.singles, net.women, 
net.women.only, net.motss, and net.relition.jewish (I didn't get the last
one ...).

					Alien