Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site uw-beaver Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxj!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!info-mac From: info-mac@uw-beaver Newsgroups: fa.info-mac Subject: Re: Thoughts on what a new Finder should look like Message-ID: <374@uw-beaver> Date: Fri, 11-Jan-85 01:56:37 EST Article-I.D.: uw-beave.374 Posted: Fri Jan 11 01:56:37 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 12-Jan-85 02:59:59 EST Sender: daemon@uw-beaver Organization: U of Washington Computer Science Lines: 23 From: Piersol.pasa@XEROX.ARPA I disagree with your desire to push the Finder closer to UNIX. I would like to see some UNIX-like features incorporated, certainly, but I see no reason to add features like grep, etc. Remember that Mac is intended as an 'appliance' computer, not a programmer's machine. Many of the functions you reference are rather esoteric for a non-programmer, and I have doubts whether they have great utility to 'the rest of us'. The point is that they would increase still further the size of the finder, which is already rather large. It is my feeling that they belong in a programmer environment separate from the Finder. Something like a visual UNIX (visible pipes, filters by example, etc) would be fantastic, or, ideally, Smalltalk would be most enjoyable. I am a Smalltalk applications programmer, and so I tend to find UNIX-like environments unnecessarily cryptic. Thus I object to names like grep, cat, sed, etc. I would like to see Apple add similar function in a more natural interface. I feel they did an excellent job of handling the most basic file manipulations in Finder, and would love to see a similarly good job done on the higher-level functions that have been developed over the years. Kurt