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Subject: Douglas Electronics Program
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Date: Fri, 11-Jan-85 04:01:58 EST
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Posted: Fri Jan 11 04:01:58 1985
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From: KSPROUL@RUTGERS.ARPA



I have now had a better chance to look out the D.E. circuit board
program,,,  It has a few catches, but nothing that it unreasonable
and is overall a VERY good program!!!!

Following are the two letters that came with this program from D.E.

(the reason I am sending this to the net is that I have had enough enquires
about this to warrant it...)


----- letter from Douglas Electronics Inc...

						December 21, 1984

Dear Customer

Enclosed is the Printed Circuit Board Layout and Manufacturaing System
disk which you recently ordered.  We designed this product in order to
provide our customers with quick turn-around on quality circuit
boards manufactured at reasonable prices.  the response to this
product has far outreached our highest expectations.  We are obviously
pleased to have received such a good reception to a new product;
however, we are anticipating some problems.  Today we are shipping
about 450 copes of the program.  If very many of you return with orders
for circuit boards whithin the next few weeks, we are not going to be in
a position to handle the orders.  In order to better serve your needs we
have taken several steps:

1. We have on order new equipment which will give us increased
manufacturing capacity.

2. We are making arrangments with orhter manufacturers to help handle
the overflow work.

3. We have entered into an exclusive marketing agreement with Bishop
Graphics, Inc. for our printed cirtuit software.  Under the bishop
Graphics name, several enhancements will e added to the system.  The
most important enhancement will be the ability to enable other circuit
board manufactures to produce circuit boards from the system.

(The following was underlined)

PLEASE NOTE: The special price of $10.00 (plus shipping and handling)
is no longer avvailable. Also, the disk contains copyrighted software,
the disk is copy protected, and we expect you to honor the copy
protection.

(end of underlined text)

All inquire`ies about future orders for the software are being directed
to Bishop Graphics (818) 991-2600. Any inquirey about the program which
you now have, or request for manufacturing of boards from the program
should be directed to Douglas Electronics at (415) 483-8770.

					Sincerely and Thank you,

					Douglas Electronics


------ letter from Bishop Graphics----


December 19, 1984

Dear Douglas Customer:

	Bishop Graphics, INC. would like to thank you for your
response to, and your interest in, the Douglas Electronics
Printed Circuit Board Layout and Manufacturing System.  By
licensing this product from Douglas Electronics, you are no also
eleigible for an exclusive future offer from Bishop Grahics, as
described below.

	As you are probably already arware, Bishop Graphics, Inc. is
the world's leading supplier of PCB design aids.  Bishop is now
pleased to annonunce that we have just become the exclusive
worldwide marketer of all future Douglas PCB software and products.
And bishop will soon be offering both software and related
hardware for low-cost, yet highly effective CAD systems for
printed circuit board layout and design.
	We'd like you to know that in the near furture, Bishop plans
to announce and release a vastly enhanced version of the Douglas
PCB Layout and Manufacturing System software that you have just
received in its initial form.  Tghis new version will e marketed
under the Bishop name, and amongh those items currently planned
for the Bishop's release are:  Increased productivity, a full-board
checkprint capability for the Apple Imagewriter, higher-
resolution pen plooter output, and "Gerber-compatible" photo-
plotter output.

	As one of the first licensees of the initial Douglas
software, you will e offered the new, ehanced and expanded
Bishop version at a significantly reduced price as soon as it
becomes available.  This special reduced-price offereing will NOT
be made available to anyone else.

	Your name has already been entered on to a special list
of preferred Bishop CAD customers, and you will automatically
receive all future announcements on Bishop's upcoming PCB
software enhancements and related Bishop PCB CAD systems products.

Sincerely,

David L. Peltz
VP of Sales and Marketing
Bishop Graphics CAD Systems Corp


--- end of bishop letter....


I think that this program system has a GOOD chance of becoming a
de-facto standard for low-end cost PCB layout!!!!  

BUT !!!!  Bishop Graphics had better not charge to high of a price
for the system....

Also, there is a good chance that the company my brother works for
will by a MAC just for this program....
We (he) is going to try it out on my MAC, get the board made, and if
it works out well,  get one and use it for their board layout...


Keith Sproul
Ksproul@Rutgers.arpa

as usual, I have no connection to either company, I just think that this
is one heck of a fantastic pice of software....
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