Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site brl-tgr.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!teddy!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!brl-tgr!tgr!root%bostonu.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa From: BostonU SysMgrNewsgroups: net.unix-wizards Subject: Re: vm/370 b*llsh*t Message-ID: <7045@brl-tgr.ARPA> Date: Sun, 6-Jan-85 20:32:31 EST Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.7045 Posted: Sun Jan 6 20:32:31 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 8-Jan-85 07:53:04 EST Sender: news@brl-tgr.ARPA Organization: Ballistic Research Lab Lines: 28 if I may put my 2 cents in [I always do I guess] the ONLY thing wrong with IBM is their brain-damaged development environment (read: software in general.) We have an IBM3081D here for academic use. Consider, it's a dual processor system with about 15MIPS, 50-100MBytes/sec of disk bandwidth and 17.5GB of disk. We run >14,000 user accounts usually >250 at a time with good response. Consider, at night when the machine is unloaded I can push thru about 1/3 to 1/4 of a CRAY-I without any administrative hassles (it's free to the community.) Our graphics and physics people couldn't live without it nor (especially) WITH any box that dec makes (they own vaxen but not for crunching.) And need I even talk about IBM's rep for service and uptime? What's wrong is IBM's software (hey, I cut my teeth at Cornell with MVT/HASP on punchcards.) We have quite a good C-compiler with most V7 calls emulated. I guess in general (IBM,DEC etc) companies that build great hardware build mediocre software (and maybe vice versa.) I love DEC's machines dearly because they are designed to fit within reasonably sized POLITICAL domains which is critical and they work and are flexible. I agree with MRC, onwards to great UNIX on VM/370!! -Barry Shein, Boston University