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From: martillo@mit-athena.ARPA (Joaquim Martillo)
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Subject: Re: Tutu Makes a DooDoo
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Date: Sun, 13-Jan-85 13:49:12 EST
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>> == Dave Rubin
> == Richard Rosen

>> Regarding nationalism, I suggest Martillo not limit his diatribes to
>> Moslems.  It seems almost all nationalistic movements, even if they
>> begin constructively (preservation of culture, furthering of identity,
>> advancement of education), assume malevolent form (supression of other
>> nationalities).  It is not something peculiar to Arabs or Islam, nor
>> something from which Jews are themselves immune.

>HEAR HEAR!!!  Well said!  May Martillo call you a "cosmopolitan vus-vus".
>(I consider that a high honor if ever there was one.  No smiley
>intended.)

Yet  another  example  of  Richard  Rosen's  fossilized  leftist Vus-Vus
hypocrisy.   In  net.religion,  Rosen  will  dump  on  Christianity  and
Christian  clerics  for  the tiniest possible reason.  Now Tutu, a major
Christian cleric makes a statement which with inane generosity would  be
called  ignorantly  insensitive  in  an  area  which Tutu as a bishop is
supposed to be an expert.  Res ipsa loquitur. If Falwell  had  expressed
similar  sentiments  Rubin  and  Rosen would have squealed.  Traditional
Christian anti-Semitism is  avoided  nowadays  by  mainstream  Christian
Churches  and  by  the Moral Majority.  But Tutu as a leftist is able to
combine  traditional  Christian  anti-Semitism  and  radical  New   Left
anti-Semitism.   Since  Rosen  and  Rubin  are grovelers who prize their
connections to a non-Jewish community via leftist  movements  more  than
any   tie   to  the  Jewish  community,  they will  make  apologies  and
rationalizations for any leftist barbarism even  if  that  barbarism  is
directed  at them themselves.  Their behavior is just like the Ashkenazi
quislings in the Soviet Union who apologized for Soviet anti-Semitism as
a way of mobilizing the masses for the good of the Marxist cause.

By  the way, if Rubin and Rosen bothered to read my articles, they would
note that I constantly dump on Zionism not for what Zionism did to  Arab
Muslims  about  whom  I  could  not care less but for the abuses Zionism
committed on Sefardic and oriental Jews.  Members of my  family  are  of
the  opinion  that  voting  in Israeli elections may be a violation of a
mitswah mide'oraita' (commandment in the pentateuch).  I  personally  am
strongly  anti-Nationalist and therefore recommend immediate subjugation
of Muslim nations which would then  be  returned  to  European  colonial
rule.

While I am perfectly willing to dump on apartheid, Castro's treatment of
homosexuals, PRC mistreatment of peasants, or India's forced sterilation
program, I concentrate my attacks on  Muslim  barbarism  because  Muslim
barbarism  is  directed  against  me, my family, and my people.  This is
simply the common  sense  of  self-preservation  which  self-destructive
VusVusim  like  Rosen  and  Rubin would not understand.  They would have
made good members of the Verband deutscher Nationaler Juden  (League  of
German  National  Jews  --  Jews who voted for Hitler).  Statements that
Rosen made on the impropriety of defining him as a Jew and as  a  member
of  the  Jewish  community  via  Jewish  law  were  quite typical of the
sentiments of members of this political organization.