Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 v7 ucbtopaz-1.8; site ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!ucbvax!ucbtopaz!mwm From: mwm@ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA Newsgroups: net.politics,net.philosophy Subject: Re: Re:Democracy and Libertarianism Message-ID: <632@ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> Date: Fri, 11-Jan-85 12:56:25 EST Article-I.D.: ucbtopaz.632 Posted: Fri Jan 11 12:56:25 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 16-Jan-85 15:12:31 EST References: <395@ptsfa.UUCP> <12@ucbcad.UUCP> Organization: Univ. of Calif., Berkeley CA USA Lines: 21 Xref: watmath net.politics:6789 net.philosophy:1352 >From orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) Wed Dec 31 16:00:00 1969 > The reason that democracy and a certain amount of compromise is necessary > is because ALL (100%) of the people in a group will never agree to > ANYTHING! Have you ever been in a group of people in which everyone > totally agreed? Such an event may occur but it is comparatively rare > and limited to small groups. Therefore when disagreements over which > actions the group should take arise and decisions must be made, then > a democratic vote seems one of the best ways of making such decisions. No problems there - democracy is an excellent way for a group to decide what to do. However, that doesn't give the group the right to include people who don't want to be in the group. The union example is a nice starting point. The 80% who want to be in a union have the right to join/form a union, and cast votes among themselves as to how they should act as a group. They don't have the right to force the obligations of being a member on others who don't want the benefits at that price. Likewise, should some member of the union decide that he is unhappy with the price/benefit ratio, he should be able to opt out.