Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site cmu-cs-cad.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!teddy!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!rochester!cmu-cs-pt!cmu-cs-cad!mjc From: mjc@cmu-cs-cad.ARPA (Monica Cellio) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Welfare Message-ID: <238@cmu-cs-cad.ARPA> Date: Mon, 14-Jan-85 19:11:39 EST Article-I.D.: cmu-cs-c.238 Posted: Mon Jan 14 19:11:39 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 17-Jan-85 03:42:41 EST Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI Lines: 30 From: tamir@ucbvax.ARPA (Yuval Tamir) >This is the real issue in the discussion about SS -- >whether or not to abolish all types of welfare. [...] >The SS system should be viewed as part of >the larger welfare system. If you really want to abolish >help from the state to people who cannot/won't help >themselves, you have to abolish the entire welfare system at once. I have no objection to helping those who truly cannot support themselves, but in this age those people are amazingly rare. People who have certain handicaps can now get jobs when they couldn't before, though of course there are some physical handicaps that are so severe that the victims really can't support themselves. In the current system, people aren't really forced to work. They can stay on welfare instead, when there really are jobs available. No, I'm not being simplistic; unemployment is a problem. But people aren't even forced to try any more... they can probably get minimum jobs at Micky D's, and if they aren't qualified for anything else that is available, they should be forced to take that job before collecting welfare. What I really object to is the hordes of obviously healthy people living in areas where jobs are available who are collecting welfare. Let each man provide for himself and make handouts difficult to get. -Dragon -- UUCP: ...ucbvax!dual!lll-crg!dragon ARPA: monica.cellio@cmu-cs-cad or dragon@lll-crg