Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-athena.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hpda!fortune!amdcad!decwrl!decvax!mit-athena!martillo From: martillo@mit-athena.ARPA (Joaquim Martillo) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish,net.politics Subject: Re: Tutu Makes a DooDoo Message-ID: <28@mit-athena.ARPA> Date: Sun, 13-Jan-85 13:49:12 EST Article-I.D.: mit-athe.28 Posted: Sun Jan 13 13:49:12 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 17-Jan-85 13:06:16 EST References: <95@mit-athena.ARPA> <466@fisher.UUCP>, <351@pyuxd.UUCP> Organization: MIT, Project Athena, Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 54 Xref: watmath net.religion.jewish:1281 net.politics:6916 >> == Dave Rubin > == Richard Rosen >> Regarding nationalism, I suggest Martillo not limit his diatribes to >> Moslems. It seems almost all nationalistic movements, even if they >> begin constructively (preservation of culture, furthering of identity, >> advancement of education), assume malevolent form (supression of other >> nationalities). It is not something peculiar to Arabs or Islam, nor >> something from which Jews are themselves immune. >HEAR HEAR!!! Well said! May Martillo call you a "cosmopolitan vus-vus". >(I consider that a high honor if ever there was one. No smiley >intended.) Yet another example of Richard Rosen's fossilized leftist Vus-Vus hypocrisy. In net.religion, Rosen will dump on Christianity and Christian clerics for the tiniest possible reason. Now Tutu, a major Christian cleric makes a statement which with inane generosity would be called ignorantly insensitive in an area which Tutu as a bishop is supposed to be an expert. Res ipsa loquitur. If Falwell had expressed similar sentiments Rubin and Rosen would have squealed. Traditional Christian anti-Semitism is avoided nowadays by mainstream Christian Churches and by the Moral Majority. But Tutu as a leftist is able to combine traditional Christian anti-Semitism and radical New Left anti-Semitism. Since Rosen and Rubin are grovelers who prize their connections to a non-Jewish community via leftist movements more than any tie to the Jewish community, they will make apologies and rationalizations for any leftist barbarism even if that barbarism is directed at them themselves. Their behavior is just like the Ashkenazi quislings in the Soviet Union who apologized for Soviet anti-Semitism as a way of mobilizing the masses for the good of the Marxist cause. By the way, if Rubin and Rosen bothered to read my articles, they would note that I constantly dump on Zionism not for what Zionism did to Arab Muslims about whom I could not care less but for the abuses Zionism committed on Sefardic and oriental Jews. Members of my family are of the opinion that voting in Israeli elections may be a violation of a mitswah mide'oraita' (commandment in the pentateuch). I personally am strongly anti-Nationalist and therefore recommend immediate subjugation of Muslim nations which would then be returned to European colonial rule. While I am perfectly willing to dump on apartheid, Castro's treatment of homosexuals, PRC mistreatment of peasants, or India's forced sterilation program, I concentrate my attacks on Muslim barbarism because Muslim barbarism is directed against me, my family, and my people. This is simply the common sense of self-preservation which self-destructive VusVusim like Rosen and Rubin would not understand. They would have made good members of the Verband deutscher Nationaler Juden (League of German National Jews -- Jews who voted for Hitler). Statements that Rosen made on the impropriety of defining him as a Jew and as a member of the Jewish community via Jewish law were quite typical of the sentiments of members of this political organization.