Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site amdahl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!sun!amdahl!gam From: gam@amdahl.UUCP (gam) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! Message-ID: <918@amdahl.UUCP> Date: Fri, 11-Jan-85 00:11:07 EST Article-I.D.: amdahl.918 Posted: Fri Jan 11 00:11:07 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 13-Jan-85 06:55:20 EST References: <118@decwrl.UUCP>, <210@talcott.UUCP>, <704@hou2h.UUCP>, <158@abnji.UUCP>, <714@hou2h.UUCP> <165@abnji.UUCP> Organization: Blue Mouse Trailer Resort, Hellmouth, CA Lines: 86 > >Why has the education system failed them !?!?!? Its just the reverse > >they have failed the education system. > >WOULD YOU GIVE THEM A JOB ???? > >... Why have they failed? Peer pressure makes the ones who want to learn > afraid to learn. Teachers do not want to encourage their students to > learn. Schools become diploma mills, students without a future see no > point in continuing and drop out. The schools need to be revamped so > that our societies children want to learn, and have equal access to educational > facilities. There are cultural differences here that you are ignoring. You are expecting a social utopia (of your middle class standards) where everyone is happy happy happy. I think "Brave New World" is the best model for this I've seen (not knocking "BNW", I thought was a great book, and a great model society, but it would be very expensive to do). To accomplish the respect for schools and knowledge that would make everyone terribly terribly smart and terribly terribly responsible would require no less than a social revolution. Those are very costly, both finacially and psychologically. (And what if I don't like your social revolution ...?). > >The only way to get money ? What ? What the hell is welfare all > >about ???? > >When I had no job and no money , I certainly didn't go around mugging > >people. > >Society hasn't given them the advantages ? Bull !!! > > Welfare is meant to provide a basic standard of living, not "luxury." > All around New York, you see advertisments for different styles of > luxury, yet these poor people whom society has forgotten have no means > of getting that, it must be awfully frustrating. I doubt that poor people in this country have any idea what "poor" means in the global sense. "Poor" people live in apartments, have heat, TV, and food stamps. Again your "basic standard of living" is defined by your middle class values. > >There are public schools all over the country in which anyone can > >attend and given a certain amount of initiative they can become a > >positive part of society. > > As I said earlier, initiative is stiffled through peer pressure. Change > that environment and maybe the results will change. "Brave New World" is a great book, really. You must read it. That system works. But I don't think that's what you want... > The reference to Europe was meant to point out the following: > > They have severe gun control. Guns are not easily available, so criminals > do not have them. Crimes, when they occur, are not as violent. Our culture views The Gun differently than the Europeans. In our country, the gun holds an important position as the symbol of freedom -- our country fought its revolution against Britain with guns weilded by terrorists, we settled the west with guns, etc. It is not surprising, then, that restricting guns has never been possible here. > In spite of the lack of availability of guns, and in spite of the lack > of the "deterent" death penalty, out European allies suffer a much lower > crime rate. Why? Perhaps they work to prevent crime right from the birth? No, its because their culture is different from ours. We are more violent, more culturally heterogeneous, and many people have this fetish about guns. (I will agree that most people don't know how to use guns, which is probably the major problem). > A cynics definition of a recession is that that is when whites find it as > difficult to get jobs as blacks always do. (In spite of so called > Affirmative Action.) More than anything else, in my opinion, this lack > of jobs is the cause of crime. To correct this problem involves more > effort than our society is willing to provide, it is not as easy as just > jailing the lot of them. Affirmative Action actually makes it harder for unskilled Black people to get jobs. Perhaps the cure is more expensive than the disease ... -- Gordon A. Moffett ...!{ihnp4,hplabs,sun}!amdahl!gam