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From: rjv@ihdev.UUCP (ron vaughn)
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: mr. thoughtless speaks out
Message-ID: <150@ihdev.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 19-Jan-85 22:27:26 EST
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Posted: Sat Jan 19 22:27:26 1985
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/* if your not in on this jeff vs. ron thinggy, don't read on.  i'm
   sorry this is dragging on like this, i thought he'd have caught on
   by now....  this can't go on *much* longer, and then i'll quite bugging
   the group with postings like these, promise.  ("thank god", the net sighs)
 */
> jeff sargent
>                   Ken Kaufman was quite on the mark in referring to your
>remarks as "thoughtless".  It seems that *you* have failed to learn some things
>that *I* have learned, and that perhaps you ought to be putting *yourself* down
>if you are honest -- or, rather, in order to do something constructive,
>learning a few principles of common courtesy in your dealings with people.

jeff,

i'm not so rude as to disrupt a group intended for the WORLD, using it as
a personal crutch, making half the people 'n'-key away half(or 1/3) the
group.  i'm not so rude as to ask for advice, and then throw it back
in peoples faces, ALL THE TIME.  i'm not so rude as to completely disregard
ANY of the "hints" i've given you.  thoughtless??  i thought long and hard
over the letters i've posted about you, i put out exactly what i wanted,
and have elicited exactly the response i anticipated.  thoughtless??  this
is a CAREFULLY set up plan to make you realize what a pain you are, first
the letter in flame, then a letter in singles, now the poll (new numbers
are in, see below), next the actual request in net.new.groups.  if this
all fails an electronic letter bomb (a new at&t product, you heard it
here first) will be mailed to your account, wiping purdue off the map.
(all other purdue residents will be given ample notice). we are on schedule,
we will win, we will control!!!!!!(that was my nazi impression, what'd 
you think??)  of course i'm kidding, but those letters were NOT thoughtless.

ron critiques himself:
i saw a problem in net.singles.  YOU, jeff.  i really like singles, and
wanted to remove the problem.  (which doesn't necessarily mean removing
you...)  the problem is your ridiclous, repititous postings (we've talked
about them enough, you know the ones).  if you'd just STOP with those
stupid same-old-stuff postings, and throwing advice back in peoples
faces, THAT would have removed the problem.  could someone send you a letter
saying "jeff, stop throwing advice back in peoples faces??"  no, that was
tried, and you threw THAT advice back in their face.  so i thought, maybe
if i can make jeff wake up, realize HE'S a problem, and others (a majority!)
think he's a problem.  i'll resort to trying to make him see everyone
wants him off the net, and then he'll wake up and see his mistake in
postings.  so the campaign started.  was this the right thing to do??
votes still out, but i don't think it was too bad an idea.  at least
you seem to realize the problem exists, god knows we all do.  the only
real surprising thing was how many people DID (do) want you kicked off
the net, and the overwhelming numbers that would like a net.singles.js.
at first i was kidding with that, but it might come about.  "but ron,
what about the cold, insensitive way jeff has been treated??"  sorry
about that.  what about the way he treats net.singles, or the people
who try to help him??  if he comes out a little hurt or upset because
i'm such a meanie, i'm sorry, but if he were to start posting like a human
being, and quit ruining this group, i'm sure we'd all think it was worth
it.

look, i'm not a cold insensitive guy, i'm not a meanie, i'm not out
to get you, but i thought this was the only way to get you to wake
up, and look, my god people, just LOOK at the progress i've made!!!:

>Also, if you note carefully, my more recent postings have not been of the
>"I'm such a terrible person" variety, but rather "it's such a terrible world."

i feel like a proud father!!!!  my baby's growing up!!!!!!!!!

i know,i know, you're all reading this because you want the latest vote:

(drum roll please)....roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!

	for singles.js: 21
	against	      :  2


i don't care WHAT you say, jeff and almquist are going to have fun
in that group!!!

	Mr. thoughtless,
	ron vaughn	...!ihnp4!ihdev!rjv


ps: you think I'M mean??  you should SEE some of the fan mail i've
received about you.  my god, i look like a saint compared to some of
the letters i've read received.  (but i love 'em!!)