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From: cliff@unmvax.UUCP
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: More on justice
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Date: Tue, 15-Jan-85 20:47:19 EST
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> You are right, libertarians do have a vastly different idea of their ideal
> society than the one presented here. Of course, this one is much more likely
> to come about...

Please back up your claim that RC's view is more likely to come about.
His scenario was a hack job.  The socialist scenario I painted was also
a hack job.  My point was to discredit the first by showing it would be
easy to make up sob stories about a possible government.  Tell me how *your*
government would work and I will show you another sob story.  Of course my
comment about Jill starving before she was 10 isn't that far off base; I
can think of many socialist countries that have had (or are having) troubles
with production and distribution of food for their citizens.

So what does a hypothetical story have to do with the issues?  Here is another
plea to discuss the merits of libertarianism or socialism on a small scale
(i.e. I believe that the repeal of all victimless crime laws (esp. drugs,
gambling and prostitution would significantly lower the number of violent
crimes committed.)  It might be possible to introduce some evidence for both
sides.  Real life examples could be used rather than storybook fantasies.

If RC wants to distill all the points he was making about libertarianism
into specific topics I will discuss them without hesitation (I would attempt
to do the distillation myself, but I wouldn't want to introduce the possibility
of misrepresenting his views).  Since you are convinced that his depiction is
a better prediction of the future than mine you can cite your reasons too.  I
just don't want to debate on such a grand scale that issues will be slippery
and cause and effect hard to pin down.

> 
> 	Wayne

	--Cliff