Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site qantel.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!zehntel!dual!qantel!ken From: ken@qantel.UUCP (Ken Nichols@ex6193) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.flame Subject: Re: Loose nuts and well-tighened screws Message-ID: <335@qantel.UUCP> Date: Thu, 17-Jan-85 11:27:55 EST Article-I.D.: qantel.335 Posted: Thu Jan 17 11:27:55 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 20-Jan-85 07:57:42 EST References: <110@decwrl.UUCP> <361@pyuxd.UUCP> Reply-To: ken@qantel.UUCP (Ken Nichols@ex6193) Organization: MDS Qantel, Hayward, CA Lines: 54 Xref: watmath net.religion:5322 net.flame:7879 In article <361@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes in reply to Ken Ardnt: > >> Even the great YOU resorted to quoting a scholarly article to me! So take >> your own medicine! > >Yes. It was one of the better pieces of satire I've ever written. (Remember >satire, Ken?) Because it showed you as being stupid and/or dense enough to >believe that it might have been a real article being quoted. (Who would >accept an excerpt that quoted things like "at face ... value" with 'dots' >intact? Who would believe it to be real? Apparently YOU would. Which says >quite a lot about the level of investigation you put into your "research".) I >guess we know that such sources are the only authorities you accept (e.g., >certain books reputed to be of divine origin? ...), instead of the process that >led those you quote to whatever conclusions they've come to. From your >discourse on the net, you've clearly shown that you are UNABLE to follow such a >process or engage in one yourself. Which makes what you have to say worthless >in the extreme. Period. > I would be interested to find out from what source you obtain your knowledge, facts, etc. Ken A. is using the knowledge of many others to prove a point. It is true that he should state more of his own opinions within his postings but that's not what I want to discuss here. If you do not believe in taking other's knowledge and using it to broaden your horizons than what is the source that you derive new knowledge from? I cannot beleive that you sat in your high school classrooms refusing to believe the quotes of other's knowledge written in the textbooks. Did you request to research the facts put forth until you had found out for yourself whether they were true? Almost all knowledge that we acquire during the course of our lives was found and studied and laid out by someone other than ourselves. Of course we must be carefull to not take just any and all facts at face value, but there are some that we just cannot spend the time to substantiate or refute to a full extent. These "facts" we must either believe on faith, or disbelieve because of ignorance. If you chose to only believe in things that you yourself can fully substantiate than you will be in a sorry state. For example, how do you know that the earth is round? Probably because of the eyewitnesses of astronauts (sp?), etc. But you yourself have never been in space to verify the fact as true, have you. This is only a basic example, there can be many others. I just wanted to point out that most of what a person knows is derived from someone elses knowledge, and not by experience. ----------------- "...holding forth the Ken Nichols word of life..." Phil. 2:16 ...!ucbvax!dual!qantel!ken -------