Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 (MC830713); site klipper.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hao!seismo!mcvax!vu44!botter!klipper!biep From: biep@klipper.UUCP (J. A. "Biep" Durieux) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.philosophy Subject: Re: FORCE, Democracy and Libertarianism Message-ID: <410@klipper.UUCP> Date: Fri, 11-Jan-85 06:24:40 EST Article-I.D.: klipper.410 Posted: Fri Jan 11 06:24:40 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 14-Jan-85 00:48:07 EST References: <408@whuxl.UUCP> <811@ariel.UUCP> <406@klipper.UUCP> <549@ccice2.UUCP> Organization: VU Informatica, Amsterdam Lines: 40 Xref: watmath net.politics:6803 net.philosophy:1354 In article <549@ccice2.UUCP> bwm@ccice2.UUCP (Bradford W. Miller) writes: >In article <406@klipper.UUCP> biep@klipper.UUCP writes: >> A labo[u]r union almost controls an industry. Many years ago >> a man looking for work (which was scarce) came at that industry. >> Three and two years ago two of his sons did the same. All three >> had more or less the same experience. >> They weren't communists and didn't want to be. However, the union >> was. So they didn't want to share the union. I will leave away the >> physical threats, since I assume the Libertarians will agree with >> me on that point. I want to jump to the next step. The board of >> directors of the industry was told: "There are non-unionists in >> this industry. Choose: either tell them to either go away or become >> a union member, or we'll go on strike." Now all three are union >> member, and pay to the communist party. > >Not likely scenario. Actually, the company (given it were non-communist) would >just say. "Fine. Go on strike and you will all be blacklisted and NEVER WORK >AGAIN." You forget that the unions outlawed trusts, but in a real free-market >economy both unions and trusts would be fair game. > >Brad Miller > >-- >...[rochester, cbrma, rlgvax, ritcv]!ccice5!ccice2!bwm It is no invented scenario, it is reality. I know these people, and as they trusted me, they have complained to me. You largely underestimate the power of the communist labo[u]r union in France, if you think it is the company that could put the people on the black list. It's more that if the union puts the company on the black list, that company ceases to exist. (Well, not this one, since it is a utility, and they don't want to get rid of it, but...) -- Biep. {seismo|decvax|philabs}!mcvax!vu44!botter!klipper!biep I utterly disagree with everything you are saying, but I am prepared to fight to the death for your right to say it. --Voltaire