Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: notesfiles Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxj!houxm!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hp-pcd!hpcnoe!dat From: dat@hpcnoe.UUCP (dat) Newsgroups: net.music Subject: Re: Orphaned Response Message-ID: <15900011@hpcnoe.UUCP> Date: Mon, 28-Jan-85 00:35:00 EST Article-I.D.: hpcnoe.15900011 Posted: Mon Jan 28 00:35:00 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 20-Jan-85 05:48:48 EST References: <-126300@utah-gr.UUCP> Organization: Hewlett-Packard - Fort Collins, CO Lines: 61 Nf-ID: #R:utah-gr:-126300:hpcnoe:15900011:37777777600:2679 Nf-From: hpcnoe!dat Jan 13 21:35:00 1985 /***** hpcnoe:net.music / utah-gr!donn / 1:06 pm Dec 4, 1984*/ Subject: Re: a sheaf of album reviews, most Jazz [actually about Pat Metheny] > I'm not entirely sure why Dave seems to think FIRST CIRCLE is more > derivative than Pat's other albums; Derivative??? What does this mean??? > in particular Pat's first three > albums with Lyle Mays -- WATERCOLORS, PAT METHENY GROUP, and AMERICAN > GARAGE -- have distinct similarities (and dissimilarities!). FIRST > CIRCLE is certainly no more 'commercial' than PAT METHENY GROUP or > AMERICAN GARAGE, which were both smash successes, by the way. I didn't mention those, did I? I didn't really like either of those albums either, actually...I also don't recall Lyle Mays being on the Watercolors album.. > I'm > having a hard time figuring out what Dave means by 'caterwauling > wailing'; it's true that Metheny can make a guitar synthesizer sound > like a large feline undergoing vivisection without anesthesia (for > instance in 'The Calling' on the album REJOICING) but there's little of > that on FIRST CIRCLE well.... > (too bad -- I actually like it, most of the > time). Someone was bound to, I guess... > Perhaps Dave is referring to Pedro Aznar's vocals, but if so I > don't understand why Dave would think they were any stranger than Nana > Vasconcelos' vocals on earlier albums... Listen to it again, okay? Then ask that question...(besides, when Vasconcelos goes wild he gets pretty damn strange itself) > When I saw Metheny in concert recently, I hadn't heard FIRST CIRCLE > yet; so I was completely floored when the group opened with 'Forward > March', literally marching down the aisles with their instruments and > doing a creditable impression of a high school marching band on LSD. Gee..sounds like a worthwhile effort for an otherwise good group. Glad I didn't hear it! (I did NOT like that tune at all!) > When they played 'The First Circle' they did a beautiful job with a > beautiful piece, and their obvious enthusiasm for it swept the > audience. When I bought the album later I was treated to a delicious > little thrill by the magnificent photograph on the back that finally > made the connection in my mind (if you haven't seen the picture, try to > guess what it shows...). Other nice pieces on FIRST CIRCLE are 'Take > It All', which combines pop and blues, and 'Yolanda, You Learn', a > straightforward fusion piece by a band that knows how to do it right. ..... Oh well, I guess not everyone agrees with everything! Dave Taylor