Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site cybavax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!teddy!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!mcvax!ukc!ru-cs44!cybavax!fderavi From: fderavi@cybavax.UUCP (F. Deravi) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: Causality, Determinability, and Determinacy Message-ID: <32@cybavax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 10-Jan-85 11:31:34 EST Article-I.D.: cybavax.32 Posted: Thu Jan 10 11:31:34 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 13-Jan-85 07:55:55 EST Organization: University College Swansea, Wales Lines: 37 The statement in H. Hull's article attributed to K. Arndt > ... , the fact that the observers can see > only one isolated property for each measurement they make is crucial to the > developmnent of a sensation of random behaviour. may be criticized on several fronts. If an observer *could* observe two *isolated* properties in the one observation, taking each property to be resident in one of the sets of seven ( why seven ? ) dimentional space, the observer must simultaneously interact with set 1 space and set 2 space. But nothing in set 1 can interact with set 2 which places the observer in a rather odd position. If a perturbation in the observer due to set 1 and a perturbation in the observer due to set 2 could NOT interact, which would be necessary for no interaction between set 1 and set 2, then the poor observer would be formally regarded as two individual non-interacting observers. Ken Arndt's point then has no real meaning in the physical sense. There is a similar problem with H. Hull's examples. His 3 sets of seven dimensions could only be completely independent if an observer could see, at most, those properties in the one set if some kind of "superspace" ( which includes the divine intervention of Hull's examples ) was then made available to an observer in one set to argue with an observer from another set, any points of agreement, disagreement or ability to communicate in general would be entirely a function of that superspace. Andrew Mackay, edited by F. Deravi. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - F. Deravi, | UUCP : {UK}!ukc!ru-cs44!cybavax!fderavi | EE, University College, | JANET : fderavi@swxa/234207920018 | Swansea, SA2 8PP, U.K. | phone : +44 792 205678 Ext. 4565 | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -