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From: mr@hou2h.UUCP (M.RINDSBERG)
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Subject: Re: Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!
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Date: Thu, 10-Jan-85 09:08:18 EST
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- From: mr@hou2h.UUCP (M.RINDSBERG)
- > Lets talk about the guy he paralyzed.
- > Would he have ever contributed positively to society ?
- 
- This is entirely irrelevant!  Who was Goetz to judge if they could have
- or couldn't have?  There are a lot of people who I don't think have ever
- or will ever contribute to society.  I don't solve this with a gun.

I also do not solve this with a gun, I try to stay away from the subways
late at night and observe the standard precautions of evening travel in
the city.  I did not say that at the time Mr. Goetz judged if he could have,
I am just saying that after the fact, What is the net loss to society ?

- 
- > Do you normally walk around with sharpened screwdrivers ?
- 
- No, do you normally walk around with a concealed pistol?

This argument has played its course, see the rest of the articles.

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- > I think he should have killed all 4. People (People ?) will then think
- > 	twice before mugging, killing, raping .....
- 
- Sick, sick, sick.  The instant-justice death penalty for a $5 mugging.
- The way I heard it, they didn't even threaten him, just asked (a bit
- strange, I admit).  But I'm sure that there are people who believe that
- they were ready to rip his eyes out if he didn't pay ...

Do you actually think they asked him nicely for $5.00 ??? I don't think so.
Last time I was mugged, the guy had a knife in his pocket and was ready to
either wound or kill me if I didn't give him the money immediately, and worst
of all the guy was about 15 years old, maybe less. Who said anything about
instant-justice death ?  I just said that Goetz did what he thought he had 
to do to protect his own life.

- 
- > Next, Why don't the 4 have jobs ? 
- 
- there are millions of peoplein this country without jobs.  Do you
- propose that after a two week grace period of joblessness, we shoot them
- too?

At least these millions are looking for jobs and do not have a record with
the police for violent crimes.

- 
- > What were they doing on the subway
- > at that time ? 
- 
- What was stopping them from being on the subway at that time?  Is there
- something that restrcits when people can and can't be on the subway?
- What was Goetz doing on the subway at that time?

The punks were "hanging out", Mr. Goetz was on his way to a destination.

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- Why don't you face up to the fact that what Goetz did was WRONG!  The
- kids weren't necessarily right, but he was dead wrong! I'm sure the
- NYCPD has a nice long list of charges against him, and I think they
- should press every one of them.  Maybe it'll teach people to use the
- justice system we have in the US and not create their own.  In case you
- hadn't realized it, vigilantes are at least as dangerous as other
- criminals!

Mr. Goetz is alive.
By the way the paralyzed punk has slipped into a coma. This fact got 
about 25 seconds on the news last night and what Mr. Goetz did all day
got about 4 minutes. (He bought a toy fire engine for a gift and then ate
lunch at a small diner in NJ, they even told us what he had for lunch).
People were asking him for autographs and the like.
The newspeople said that every person they spoke to thinks of him as a
hero. I do not think he is a hero, I just think that he is smart for
preserving his life in the manner necessary.

						Mark