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Subject: re: re: self-defense (may Lauri's karma come true)
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Date: Mon, 7-Jan-85 03:54:38 EST
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Posted: Mon Jan  7 03:54:38 1985
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jps@stcvax.UUCP (Jeff Snover) quotes and comments:

> >Please excuse my bloodthirstiness, but if I am being attacked, I will most
> >certainly do my best to stop my attacker.  If I must maim or kill him/her,
> >that's the way it goes.  My "moral paradigm" is protecting myself.  If, in
> >the process of doing so, I have to be "immoral and irresponsible", I will.
> >I think attacking someone is "immoral and irresponsible" also.
> 
> >If I have to act like an animal to defend myself against an animal, dammit,
> >I'm going to do so!!!  What do you suggest?  That I simply shouldn't fight
> >my attacker because I'm so much better morrally than they are?  Wonderful.
> >I can die superior.  Excuse me if that isn't a great comfort to me.
> 
> Your view of the situation is obviously obstructed by the lower end
> of your digestive path.  Your logic is similar to some graffitti that I
> saw at the University of Colorado: "Murder all Rapists!".  If that is
> your attitude then I hope your karma is realized - for what you put out
> is what you will get.  
> 

Lauri stated that she is prepared to protect her life!  I don't think
that an attacker is too worried about the their attitude, or the potential
harm to their own karma.  I concede that people do think with a "gut
reaction", in such circumstances but I hardly would call it an obstruction.
The logic of the situation is:

	1) I want to live.
	2) I must maximize the avenues that allow me to live.
	3) I will use what ever necessary to ensure points 1 and 2.

If the rapist dies as a result of a women's survial (be it trained
or instinct), sobeit.  
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				Bill McLean @ Ont. Ministry of Health
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