Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ut-ngp.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!hplabs!hao!seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!kjm From: kjm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Ken Montgomery) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: The pregnant criminals Message-ID: <1159@ut-ngp.UUCP> Date: Wed, 2-Jan-85 10:55:50 EST Article-I.D.: ut-ngp.1159 Posted: Wed Jan 2 10:55:50 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 4-Jan-85 04:46:31 EST References: <336@bonnie.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: U.Texas Computation Center, Austin, Texas Lines: 54 [] > bonnie!emh (Edward M. Hummel) > > ... >>> Maybe the mother is a criminal, in a sense. At the time of >>>conception she committed the "grave" offense of engaging in sexual >>>intercourse without being prepared and committed to accept the possible >>>consequences (pregnancy). >>Are you "prepared and commited to accept the possible consequences" >>of driving? Won't you seek medical aid if you have a car accident? > >Yes. Yes, if injured. Then don't you think it inconsistent to deny medical aid of abortion to a woman who has become pregnant accidentally? Is it really consistent to deny her the possibility of recovering from that accident quickly? > ... >>> Excepting rape, voluntary consent has been acquired. >>Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. The woman has consented >>to the momentary presence of a man, *not* to presence of a child. > >The crucial point. Both men and women should realize that consent to >have sex is consent to possible pregnancy. Nobody should "realize" anything that is false. > ... >>Why is carrying the child to term the only responsible way to handle >>accidental pregnancy? In other words, why is abortion irresponsible? >>Why should people "accept the results" of accidents? > > Another fundamental point of disagreement. Based on moral, >humanitarian, ethical, religious, historical (or any combination thereof) >principles abortion is irresponsible. Again, this has been >often discussed in this group. The bald claim that abortion is irresponsible has been made in this group, but it has not, in my recollection, been supported. In other words, *what* moral, humanitarian, etc. principles? > ... >>"Shredder-of-hapless-smurfs" >>Ken Montgomery > >Ed Hummel >"A hapless smurf" -- "Shredder-of-hapless-smurfs" Ken Montgomery ...!{ihnp4,seismo,ctvax}!ut-sally!ut-ngp!kjm [Usenet, when working] kjm@ut-ngp.ARPA [for Arpanauts only]