Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watmath.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!saquigley From: saquigley@watmath.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: rape and streetwalking Message-ID: <10603@watmath.UUCP> Date: Sat, 5-Jan-85 11:25:40 EST Article-I.D.: watmath.10603 Posted: Sat Jan 5 11:25:40 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 5-Jan-85 23:40:42 EST References: <602@burl.UUCP> <10400028@acf4.UUCP> Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 51 > > As soon as women start competing in this supposed "male-dominated" world > they deserve the same privledges as anyone else in the same marketplace. > And, of course, the same disadvantages. > > So I shouldn't get up and offer a working women my sit on the bus --- she > wanted equality, now pay for it with sore feet. And sometimes I feel > unsafe in certain areas of town (I live in the big city -- you know, NYC). > But I take the responsibility of my actions: If I'm going to be in an > unsafe area of town (which is foolish, no matter why or who!), then I > don't expect anyone to look out for my worries. Why do women (or at > least the vocal women on the net) seem to request this special > privledge? Nobody said that equality was all good... > The problem here is that women ARE weaker, so even if they are economically (or whatever) equal to men, it is not as safe for them to walk down deserted streets as it is for men. The idea that it is easy to avoid dangerous streets is really ridiculous as most streets become dangerous past a certain hour if they are deserted. Are you suggesting that unless women live and work during the day in main arteries of cities, they should not expect to feel safe? Come on!!!! > I have a major problem with any discriminated against group seeking > special favours whilst they argue for equality. Seek the special > favours and be dependant upon the scraps that society throws you, > or throw off all chains, seek no special privledge, and demand what > is yours: equality, in every sense of the word. > What does this have to do with equality and discrimination anyway? We are not talking about giving seats in buses but about fear of rape, but since you brought the subject of seats up, ok, let's talk about it. Sure it is silly to expect men to give up their seats in buses to women of the same age as them, but it is less silly to expect people to give up their seats in buses to people who are obviously less physically able than them, or simply obviously very tired. This group includes old and sick people, pregnant women, etc... People are NOT equal; each person is an individual with his/her own natural weaknesses. How does this relate to jobs and what does this mean for equality? well simply that people should not be discriminated against on basis of their sex, race, etc, but should only be refused a job if they are not capable of doing it. I really think you are confusing equal rights with equality. Equal rights is what I just explained. Equality would mean that men would bear and breastfeed half of the world's children, and women would hold half of all jobs in the construction industry. > > Ross M. Greenberg @ NYU ----> allegra!cmcl2!acf4!greenber <---- Sophie Quigley ...!{clyde,ihnp4,decvax}!watmath!saquigley