Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lanl.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!teddy!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!wkp From: wkp@lanl.ARPA Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish,net.politics Subject: Re: Tutu Makes a DooDoo Message-ID: <19172@lanl.ARPA> Date: Wed, 9-Jan-85 17:44:36 EST Article-I.D.: lanl.19172 Posted: Wed Jan 9 17:44:36 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 12-Jan-85 07:08:26 EST References: <95@mit-athena.ARPA> <567@tty3b.UUCP> Sender: newsreader@lanl.ARPA Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 49 Xref: watmath net.religion.jewish:1241 net.politics:6766 [Mike Kelly writes:] > never once in this article was it noted that Israel is one of the key > supporters of apartheid. It supplies South Africa with military goods > to further the repression of blacks and asians in that country. This statement is a vicious lie. Because it has absolutely no basis in fact, it all the more unfair. Mike Kelly says that Israel is one of the key supporters of apartheid. Where are his facts? Trade? From the Encyclopedia Brittanica, the following countries account for 2/3 of South Africa's trade: 1. United States 4. Switzerland 2. United Kingdom 5. Japan 3. West Germany So how is Israel a key supporter of apartheid, Mike? Where is mention of Germany or Switzerland in your article? Or do you think they export tomatoes to the South Africans? (Maybe you just like them better, that's all.) By the way, how much trade do you think South Africa does with its neighbors in Black Africa? Are you saying the black Africans are a key supporter of apartheid? How does Israel come into the picture? Well, let's look at weapons. Jane's Fighting Ships makes the following remark: "Since the Republic of South Africa has been embargoed...the country has found it necessary to create its own defence industry.". Let's be more particular about South Africa's weapons trade: Major Aircraft: French Mirage planes Submarines: 3 French-built Daphne class subs Frigates: South African made. Fleet Replenishment Ship: Danish-made Amphibious Forces: 1 Soviet Polnochny and 4 Soviet T-4 class ships Mine Warfare Forces: UK-made and South African-made. Machine Guns: Some are U.S.-made, some U.K.-made, and some South African made (patterned after NATO MG4) Rifles: All are South African made (patterned after NATO R-1 and Israeli Galil rifles). Submachine Guns: South African made (patterned after NATO and Czech guns). Handguns: South African made (patterned after NATO) [The above info from Jane's Fighting Ships]. So where are all the military goods Israel is sending to South Africa to subjugate blacks and asians, Mike? Where are your facts? Shame on you. --- bill peter wkp@lanl.ARPA [My reply to Dann Seeley will appear in net.politics only.]