Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihu1m.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!ihu1m!gadfly From: gadfly@ihu1m.UUCP (Gadfly) Newsgroups: net.news,net.news.stargate,net.followup Subject: Re: STARGATE (READ THIS!) Message-ID: <242@ihu1m.UUCP> Date: Fri, 18-Jan-85 21:44:49 EST Article-I.D.: ihu1m.242 Posted: Fri Jan 18 21:44:49 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 19-Jan-85 04:26:18 EST References: <504@vortex.UUCP>, <2226@nsc.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 38 Xref: watmath net.news:2987 net.news.stargate:32 net.followup:4350 -- Chuq, Lauren--oy, do I know where you're coming from! Once upon a time in another life, I ran a housing co-op organization for $200 a month. Most of the members were students or miscellaneous transients with a "no deposit no return" philosophy. The sh*t I got when I asked for a raise! I even drew fire when I tried to get the organization involved in community activities, and I wasn't at all prepared for resistance to fixing a few roofs. And the same sort of epithets you're getting--you fascist, power-hungry, etc. It came from a few juveniles so fascinated by the hypothetical limits of their precious freedom--you try to encourage ANY kind of long-range responsibility and they pull a tantrum. And some would get into fights, break furniture, start fires, but no matter what hour of the day or night, ol' Perlow would drag himself over and pick up the pieces. After 2 years of that, in the spring of 1976, I submitted my resignation. I can still remember its last sentence: "If I'm wrong I'll wake from my dreams, and if I'm right I'll dance on your graves." Chuq and Lauren, that rambling was just to say that some of us out here appreciate your efforts more than you heretofore knew. I'll say "hang in there", but I'll understand if you don't. And to Frank Adrian and his supporters, if any, let me explain a little about co-operation, a subject I have some battlefield experience with: Anarchic systems (like Usenet here) are based on trust. If there is mutual trust, any protocol will work; if there is no trust, no protocol will work. The protocol, in the sense of an overall direction and decision-making methodology, is therefore irrelevant. What really counts is the trust. Think about it. -- *** *** JE MAINTIENDRAI ***** ***** ****** ****** 18 Jan 85 [29 Nivose An CXCIII] ken perlow ***** ***** (312)979-7188 ** ** ** ** ..ihnp4!iwsl8!ken *** ***