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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
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Subject: Re: Tutu Makes a DooDoo
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Date: Wed, 9-Jan-85 15:59:32 EST
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> [David Rubin states:]  
> > Regarding nationalism, I suggest Martillo not limit his diatribes to
> > Moslems.  It seems almost all nationalistic movements, even if they
> > begin constructively (preservation of culture, furthering of identity,
> > advancement of education), assume malevolent form (supression of other
> > nationalities).  It is not something peculiar to Arabs or Islam, nor
> > something from which Jews are themselves immune.
> > 

> Now that David Rubin and Rich Rosen have again demonstrated their universal
> love for all of mankind, maybe now we can discuss the facts.  
> [INSERT INVECTIVE ABOUT MUSLIMS HERE] ...  [BILL PETER]

Now that Bill Peter has "discussed the facts", perhaps he can uncover the fact
that Muslims are not alone (as he and Martillo might be perceived to believe)
in anti-human atrocities, and that sometimes those he wishes to defend are as
guilty of such things themselves.

Why is there always a response to requests for egalitarian, unprejudiced
treatment of all human beings that goes something like:  "Yeah, right, but
we can only REALLY have world peace/brotherhood/etc. when we've gotten rid of
the damn [INSERT SOME GROUP HERE] ..."?  But then, not "pointing out" such
things is tantamount to cosmopolitan vusvusism...  (It's funny that the author
thinks it's OK because Martillo wasn't "singling out" Arabs, but Muslims in
general.)

> Finally, we should ask how nationalist movements like Zionism, Gandhi-ism,
> and the American civil rights movement managed to avoid including wholesale
> murder as a basic policy.  Islam is an historically mature movement, with an
> age of over a thousand years, and yet still shows no willingess to accept
> the basic tenets of civilized society.

This is about as far from the truth as one can get, since all the movements
described here have had their share of atrocities and repression by at least
some subset of its adherents.  ALL nationalistic movements hold the seeds of
such activity, and these seeds ripen through the proliferation of notions of
one group's superiority/inferiority to others.
-- 
"So, it was all a dream!" --Mr. Pither
"No, dear, this is the dream; you're still in the cell." --his mother
				Rich Rosen    pyuxd!rlr