Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site unmvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!teddy!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!unmvax!cliff From: cliff@unmvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: Re: More on justice Message-ID: <578@unmvax.UUCP> Date: Tue, 15-Jan-85 20:47:19 EST Article-I.D.: unmvax.578 Posted: Tue Jan 15 20:47:19 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 20-Jan-85 00:36:51 EST References: <283@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <573@unmvax.UUCP> <58@ucbcad.UUCP> Organization: Univ. of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 32 > You are right, libertarians do have a vastly different idea of their ideal > society than the one presented here. Of course, this one is much more likely > to come about... Please back up your claim that RC's view is more likely to come about. His scenario was a hack job. The socialist scenario I painted was also a hack job. My point was to discredit the first by showing it would be easy to make up sob stories about a possible government. Tell me how *your* government would work and I will show you another sob story. Of course my comment about Jill starving before she was 10 isn't that far off base; I can think of many socialist countries that have had (or are having) troubles with production and distribution of food for their citizens. So what does a hypothetical story have to do with the issues? Here is another plea to discuss the merits of libertarianism or socialism on a small scale (i.e. I believe that the repeal of all victimless crime laws (esp. drugs, gambling and prostitution would significantly lower the number of violent crimes committed.) It might be possible to introduce some evidence for both sides. Real life examples could be used rather than storybook fantasies. If RC wants to distill all the points he was making about libertarianism into specific topics I will discuss them without hesitation (I would attempt to do the distillation myself, but I wouldn't want to introduce the possibility of misrepresenting his views). Since you are convinced that his depiction is a better prediction of the future than mine you can cite your reasons too. I just don't want to debate on such a grand scale that issues will be slippery and cause and effect hard to pin down. > > Wayne --Cliff