Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihuxm.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!mhuxj!houxm!ihnp4!ihuxm!jtc78 From: jtc78@ihuxm.UUCP (Mike Cherepov) Newsgroups: net.abortion,net.philosophy Subject: Re: with a small t Message-ID: <1178@ihuxm.UUCP> Date: Thu, 13-Dec-84 10:24:24 EST Article-I.D.: ihuxm.1178 Posted: Thu Dec 13 10:24:24 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 14-Dec-84 06:46:41 EST References: <546@wucs.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 35 Xref: watmath net.abortion:963 net.philosophy:1310 > > One can subscribe to either of the two interpretations of morals: > > 1) Handed out to humans by ..... > > 2) Current norms of behavior traced to social necessity. > > Not as powerfully defined, but well-explained by many people > > (I like Freud's The Future of an Illusion) > 3) Beliefs about good, bad, right, and wrong based (hopefully) on > experience and reason. Oh boy. This is an (inferior?) way to rephrase 2. I could write books showing that our current notions of good and bad can be traced to social and psychological necessity, but that's been done by people with better qualifications. I (pompous word follows) challenge you to point to me the source that draws the distinction. Big names are preferred to homespun examples. > > Applying the word "Truth/truth" to morals can only make sense if > > you subscribe to 1. Mike Cherepov > Wrong. See above. But, please, you can not apply that word ("Wrong") with such relentless decisiveness. By being more moderate in rethorics one can aviod being presumptious. Actually from what I composed previously, follows that I consider "imposed morality" an empty argument, as every law is related to imposed morality (in sense (2)). But I am really concerned about imposition of religious views. That is often the case with anti-abortion cause. Mike Cherepov I, hopefully, will be skiing in Wyoming by the time response (if any) will have arrived. Mail to ihnp4!ihlpm!cher would enable me to read all the good stuff.