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Subject: Re: the Universe, w/o antecedents
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Date: Mon, 31-Dec-84 14:40:43 EST
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Just to help out Paul, we timed beings only believe that the universe is
in a time domain.  This assumption helps us to solve many problems but it
isn't necessarily true.  This problem of the starting time of the universe
indicates that our theories of time are not yet complete.

In my mind, if you can hypothesize a somehow timeless god creating the
universe, you can hypothesize a somehow timeless universe.

> Without time, there is no before and after, no begining and end. It
> is meaningless to talk about G-d's begining, His creation if he is 
> in a timeless realm.
> Therefor us timed beings were created, G-d (assuming He is non-corpreal)
> was not.  Q.E.D.