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From: ag5@pucc-k (Basket Case)
Newsgroups: net.mail
Subject: Re: Re: BITNET nodes as of Dec, 03 1984
Message-ID: <758@pucc-k>
Date: Fri, 28-Dec-84 01:03:42 EST
Article-I.D.: pucc-k.758
Posted: Fri Dec 28 01:03:42 1984
Date-Received: Sat, 29-Dec-84 01:42:54 EST
References: <54@adrvax.UUCP> <722@pucc-k> <115@v1.UUCP> <608@cbosgd.UUCP>
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In article <608@cbosgd.UUCP> cbosgd!mark (Mark Horton) writes:
>I use ucbvax.UUCP as gateway to BITNET, but each host should choose the
>nearest one that works reliably and is legal for them.  If you are on
>UUCP and you send data to BITNET via ARPANET, you're illegally using the
>ARPANET as an intermediate network.

>There is also a gateway at psuvax1.UUCP, but it has never worked for me.
>(I may be using it wrong.)  I've never tried wiscvm.ARPA, I suppose that
>wiscvm.ARPA is intended as a gateway between CSNET and BITNET, not for
>UUCP use.

*****  host names which are ENTIRELY IN CAPS without domains
*****  are BITNET hosts (i.e., CUNYVM, WISCVM, etc.)

	Wonderful.  So use of wiscvm.ARPA from UUCP to send BITmail
isn't legal.  Perhaps someone should tell this to some BITNET sites,
which do some funky things to mail *unless the user is very knowledgeable
about how mail gets sent.*  At the last BITNET site I worked at, they
sent mail thru CUNYVM to ucb-vax.ARPA (actually UCBJADE) for a while.
Now that site routes its internet mail to SMTPUSER@WISCVM  which conveniently forwards mail with the UUCP domain 
to csnet-relay.ARPA which forwards this UUCP mail to ucbvax.UUCP.


	(BTW, the user can avoid this by knowing all about BSMTP,
creating the appropriate BSMTP header which SMTPUSER@WISCVM can
handle, attaching the mail message 
to the bottom of all that, and using SENDFILE to send (NOT MAIL)
this conglomeration of stuff to SMTPUSER@WISCVM ... I imagine that
a similar mail server works at UCBJADE and PSUVAX1)

	And, as I mentioned earlier, all this happiness is usually
invisible to the person on the BITNET end mailing ... they usually
mail to bozo%bozovax.UUCP@internet or bozo%bozovax.UUCP@csnet-relay


	Now wasn't that confusing?  It gets even worse, though.  Some
BITNET sites haven't taken advantage of these internet gateways at all,
and have no idea what to do when mailing to the internet.  

	And y'all thought UUCP was confusing ...  :-)
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