Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1+some 2/3/84; site dual.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!dual!hav From: hav@dual.UUCP (Helen Anne Vigneau) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Re: Tolerance (Jeff, Chuqui, Plaid, Paisley) Message-ID: <888@dual.UUCP> Date: Thu, 13-Dec-84 17:01:04 EST Article-I.D.: dual.888 Posted: Thu Dec 13 17:01:04 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 14-Dec-84 07:26:59 EST References: <890@utastro.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Dual Systems, Berkeley, CA Lines: 29 <*munch*> Ummm, maybe it's time for the creation of a new newsgroup: net.singles.c (take your pick, christian, celibate, crazy :-)) Seriously, I can't see how anyone in a loving relationship would want to exclude sex from the relationship, but for those who do, why not give them a place where they can discuss celibacy, what to do the first time (if there is ever a first time :-)), and whatever else. Like net.motss, this would not be an *exclusive* group, but flaming on the basis of one's convictions would be prohibited. As an aside, I once had a relationship where the SO in question inflicted (yes, I mean that word) his celibacy on me *after* we had been doing whatever-you-call-it for several months. We remained friends for a while, but I just couldn't handle it. The friendship remained for a few months, and we'd get together less and less frequently, occasionally sleeping together, until it finally fell away. (Not *it*, the relationship!) I saw other men during the final few months, but I can't say that my seeing them was a direct cause of the demise of the original liaison. The few times that this person and I did sleep together after his celibacy announcement, things were really unhappy. In my estimation, I really tried to be patient and understanding (well, most of the time), but he suffered from serious performance problems (jeez, I hate that term). I suppose it was a conflict between the carnal instinct and his religiously founded conviction. To sum up, it just wasn't worth the aggravation. Helen Anne Vigneau Dual Systems Corporation P.S. Pooh, I see you've moved. Where should I send mail now?