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Subject: Re: a CONSISTENT libertarian speaks out
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Date: Fri, 14-Dec-84 13:07:18 EST
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Posted: Fri Dec 14 13:07:18 1984
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> > Remember, LIBERTARIANISM IS NOT ANARCHY.  
> 
> Remeber, TRUE LIBERTARIANISM *IS* ANARCHISM, as I proved before.  The
> definition of government is that it claims a monopoly on the right to
> decide who may use force when.  No organization has a right to do this;
> there must be free competition between protective agencies/associations.

I guess it depends upon what basic principles you adopt. There are lots
of people who call themselves libertarians around who don't seem to
be anarchists.

> > ... system could deter Soviet aggression. We would be able
> > to destroy 10 or 20 major russian cities, killing tens of
> > millions of people. All this without being a day to day
> > threat to their homeland.
> 
> Oh wonderful, kill tens of millions of innocent people just because they
> have the misfortune of being ruled by aggressive leaders!!!??!!  This is
> a libertarian's respect for rights??!!  And for those who think it is all
> right to *threaten* (bluffing) such indiscriminate murder, do you not see 
> that threats can cause harm to innocents too?  Retaliation is only
> acceptable against aggressors, and I mean *individuals*.  

I know, why don't we hire Superman to go and beat up those nasty
Soviet leaders? What, you mean we're talking about real life??? No fair...

Sure it would be nice if we could threaten only the leaders of the USSR,
but this isn't any kind of deterrent. Some innocent people always have
to be in danger, and there's not much you can do about it. (Of course,
maybe you should go to te USSR and try to convert the Soviets to
anarchy/libertarianism...)

	Wayne