Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site dalcs.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!dalcs!holmes From: holmes@dalcs.UUCP (Ray Holmes) Newsgroups: net.news.adm Subject: Re: Re: admins-- please READ! Message-ID: <1401@dalcs.UUCP> Date: Thu, 27-Dec-84 15:05:35 EST Article-I.D.: dalcs.1401 Posted: Thu Dec 27 15:05:35 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 28-Dec-84 00:43:22 EST References: <2107@nsc.UUCP> <617@munnari.OZ> Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S., Canada Lines: 77 > In article <2107@nsc.UUCP> chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuqui Q. Koala) writes: > | > | A related problem is with sites that are passing specific topics to > | some other place. This example is WRONG and will not properly forward > | all messages: > | > | ME:net,fa,mod,usa,na,to:: > | THEM:net.unix-wizards:: > | > | The reason this is wrong is that 2.10.2 now requires the "Distribution:" > | line in headers of messages being posted. If you send out a message with > | the headers: > | > | Newsgroups: net.unix-wizards > | Distribution: net > | > | your sys file with match the "Newsgroups:" line but it will NOT match > | the line for the "Distribution:". Because of this, large numbers of > | articles are not being sent when (or where) they should be. > > This is only true for 2.10.1 (and earlier?) - the example works > fine if you are running 2.10.2. 2.10.2 matches the Distribution > against the newsgroups, if the Distribution adds no "new information" > as in the postulated case, it is ignored. Unfortunately, it > doesn't delete the Distribution line (probably it should, I posted > a mod which will do almost that at the posting site - see > <609@munnari.OZ> in net.news.b or net.sources.bugs). > > It also not true that 2.10.2 *requires* Distribution lines, it > simply supplies them by default, and doesn't let you leave the > Distribution empty while you're in the prompting stage of > postnews. However, you can easily delete the Distribution line > while you're in the editor, 2.10.2 will respect your wishes, and > work fine. > > Chuq continues... > | The correct > | way of handling this in the sys file is: > | > | ME:net,fa,mod,usa,na,to:: > | THEM:net,net.unix-wizards:: > > This MUST have been a typo, I'm sure Chuq means > > ME:net,fa,mod,usa,na,to:: > THEM:net,!net.all,net.unix-wizards:: > > Chuq's version would have you sending everything! > > | > | Please, PLEASE update your sys file! > > I concur. Please do! An alternative is to install the > mod I posted to net.news.b and net.sources.bugs <609@munnari.OZ> > which has the effect of updating the 2.10.1 handling of > Distribution lines to operate like 2.10.2 does. > You will find updating your sys file easier, and quicker, > to do, except possibly if you send limited newsgroups to > a lot of sites. > > See my article <616@munnari.OZ> in net.news.b, and the > articles it references, for more discussion of this problem. > > Robert Elz decvax!mulga!kre I am realy getting confused here. I have deIu|~bed that the optimal method of setting up "sys" files is to start with what looks right, and if that doesn't work, make a random change. I HATE this, but something must be done, we (are supposed to) get all news (but I know we don't, possibly I missed THE CRITICAL ARTICAL that makes sense out of this) and only random moves seem to help (about 30% of the time (but then we can always back up). Thus, my recomendation is to try all combinations in your "sys" file until one works -- should only take a few years. Ray