Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-kirk!williams From: williams@kirk.DEC (John Williams 223-3402) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Little Lies hide Big Secrets Message-ID: <49@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Fri, 21-Dec-84 12:19:02 EST Article-I.D.: decwrl.49 Posted: Fri Dec 21 12:19:02 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 23-Dec-84 08:38:28 EST Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 190 OK, folks. Here's the god damn fucking message. It appears as though there are some real differences in opinion between myself and some of the wimps that inhabit this newsgroup. Feel free to send me hate mail. I know you will want to anyways. I suppose someone will take the fucking blame. The following is a letter I sent to someone who I will leave unmentioned. If you have a weak stomach, press 'n' right now before it's too late. Press 'n' right now. Just DO it. But if you are curious to see how low someone can sink, keep reading. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh Ho. Wait a minute. I think maybe your taking this thing a little too far. I think that you are blaming an archtype for all the mistakes that mankind ( male AND female ) has made during history. I know what you mean about this imaginary `` beast '', but GAAD, Don't you think alot of it is attributable simply to mistakes? The fact of the matter is that I DO think I am better, and let me tell you why. Competency. I am competent. Ego. Yes, I have an ego. Yes, I am willing to admit it. The mindless peace you speak of is the kind which generates overpopulation and starvation. There is one important detail you left out, and that is evolution. Now, I am going to tell you the way it really is. Evolution is a trend against entropy in the universe. I believe very strongly in it, because there is substantial evidence to support it. Let's face it, the universe wasn't born yesterday. Evolution can not be stopped. You should think about this for a while. Yes, there IS a bell curve. Yes, the strong DO have a greater chance of survival. Throughout history, there have been two ways evolution has enforced itself. 1) WAR When hostility has been directed at mankind's greatest enemy, himself. There is NO other significant threat to his livelyhood, AND the preservation of his genes through reproduction. War has been waged so that the stronger genes may reproduce. Would you call this an ugly reality? I would. 2) STARVATION When the populace is pacifist in nature, and allowed to reproduce at will, there is no balancing predator in the food chain. This means that there are more people than can be fed. Throughout lower life forms, it has always been apparrent that it is during childhood that a member of a species must prove it's ability to survive, and for pacifist humans, this means enduring starvation. So, the reality is, is that you can not stop evolution, you are only able to modulate it. If you cease all forms of interspecies competition, after all, mankind has no other balancing force in nature, what will happen is that the world will starve as a means of continuing unrelenting evolution. DID YOU TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION? Oh, well, another mistake. What we CAN do as a species, is to agree on a more humane form of competition, and for MOST of the world, this is economic. We are very fortunate to finally have birth control, it provides a means for us to enforce some form of economically governed reproduction. And naturally, there will emerge dominance. How this dominance is applied will determine the future of mankind. We hopefully have learned the price of oppression, that is, what kind of mistake it is to take from life more than what you really earn. The dominant members of modern society are becoming the educators. This is a step, and I emphasize the word STEP, in the right direction. There is so much that is wrong in the world, yet there is so much that has been done. We are working on it. I do not suggest some kind of utopia, but a plan as to how we, as a species, can learn how to live with evolution. It appears that thoughout history, it has always been the children that have had to suffer for the enforcement of evolution. I believe this should be changed, and it is. If we can agree on somehow enforcing the parents to support the children, on their own, we can balance the population in a reasonable manner. The KEY to understanding this is, the planet can only support so much human life, and that the strong MUST ( I do not think I can adequately emphasize the word must in this particular instance ) be ALLOWED to dominate in some form of agreed upon criteria for the survival of genes. What the world is trying to do is to make this economic. It is a far better way of dealing with evolution. We must learn how to compete gracefully, without resorting to either facsist or pacifist attitudes. I guess you might call it `` good sportsmanship ''. Yes, I am good. I have worked and practiced hard to become good. I feel that I am strong, in a very real sense. I consider your philosophy ( notice that I used the word philosophy and NOT psychology ) a threat to the terms of the `` Game '' of evolution. If you look at the countries where pacifism is the dominate ( notice that I used the word dominate ) culture, you will find starvation. If you look at the countries where facsism has been the dominate culture, you will find war. How can we deal with this? Well, I could start to describe it to you in one word, economically. The central question facing mankind today is this: Can we learn from history's mistakes? Hairy beast? Yes, I suppose I have one. The key is not to reject him, but to understand him. To understand that he is there for a reason. To understand that reason. AND don't you dare try to tell me that it only lives in the soul of the male. Women share equal responsability for the shaping of our species. We can, and already have, improved the quality of life on this planet. By dealing with the natural force of evolution in a humane manner. There are many who would wish you to remain silent on this matter until such time as you are less ignorant. So, let it be said, you have the right to tell people not to try to be dominate in any way, and I have the right to inform people that evolution can not be stopped, and that the best thing we can do is to agree on a more humane way of accomodating it. Listen, you can say what you want, but I will not support it. Period. If you prey on the ignorant in order to make your personal life a little more comfortable, I see no other alternative than to face you on this matter. Your ignorance is doing more harm than good. The truth of this matter lies somewhere between war and starvation. I want a retraction, soon, or I will post this to net.singles. I do not want you to be punished for an honest mistake. BUT, I can not allow you to mislead the subscribers of this newsgroup any further. When and if you do, send me a personal copy. If you are absolutely sure about your position in this matter, then I am sure you will see that this is indeed no form of blackmail, it is simply my opinion. I feel that you should at least be given the opportunity to think about it for a while, and allowed to respond without public humiliation. I should warn you that I am fully prepared to defend this position. I wish to offer you a better alternative. I am trying hard to be your friend, but I just can't agree with this position. It is a moral obligation on my part to inform the general public so that we may indeed agree on how we can live together in a balanced manner. Know your beast, he may be your best friend, or your worst enemy. To ignore him is to live in unsuspected danger. If you are good to him, he will be good to you. Remember, we need a balance between war and starvation, not a utopia based on ignorant ideals. I will be looking forward to your response. I hope that you will invest some time in this matter, so that we can negotiate in a reasonable manner. I do not want to subject you to the abuse that this article will generate, please consider my offer. Hopefully your friend, Past, Present, Future, ----{ john williams }---- < Postscript usually not required on private mail > (DEC E-NET) KIRK::WILLIAMS (UUCP) {decvax, ucbvax, allegra}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-kirk!williams (ARPA) williams%kirk.DEC@decwrl.ARPA williams%kirk.DEC@Purdue-Merlin.ARPA ------------------------------------------------------------------ Did you get that fucking message? I actually made the mistake of thinking I could change his mind. I was about to turn the thing into a battle to the death. Screw the whole thing. To the wimp I wrote this to: You are the epitomy of cowardice. You need to make people `` like '' you. You offer them an unrealistic `` binky '' to suck on. You base your fucking life on a hierarchy of approval. Without regard to reality. You run from danger. And you try to convince others to take the same method of escapism to make your miserable life seem worthwhile, after all. And to everyone else: My life is completely alien to you. You will never comprehend the things I have seen. You can only guess at what makes me tick. The psychological horseshit just doesn't apply. I've let myself off all the hooks. Now I hardly have a god damn thing to say. I have a beautiful girlfriend and I don't know why I wasted my breath with you in the first place. So, from now on, the truth will remain a secret. Goodbye.