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From: keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle)
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Subject: Re: What are:  'real programmers' and 'hackers'?
Message-ID: <330@cadovax.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 11-Dec-84 21:05:30 EST
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Posted: Tue Dec 11 21:05:30 1984
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>1)	What do 'hackers' and 'real programmers' look like?

Noone knows, they're like Graffitists.

>2)	What do they eat?

Food,  ... Diet Pepsi, Corndogs, etc.

>3)	What kind of things do they do with computers?

Hackers patch and tweak, Programmers code and debug.

>4)	What kind of computers do they use?

Anything thats available. (they don't always like them)

>5)	Where do they live, and what kind of place is it in which they
	reside?

In or near 'The Valley'  (pick one) Usually in a rented house, and in a mess
of misc. hardware, listings, Mass media, and food wrappings.

>6)	Where do they come from?  (High schools, colleges, etc.)

Most are self taught while going to school for some other vocation.

>7)	What languages do they use?

Hackers: whatevers available, including HEX and OCTAL, rarely BINARY. 
Programmers: C, assemblers, Forth, Lisp, Apl

7a)     What languages do they NOT use?

Hackers: none   Programmers: Basic, Cobol, Fortran, RPG, Algol, Logo

>8)	In what environment do they function best?

Late at night with low light levels. (except for the CRTs)

>     Also, what kind of computer is for *real* men?

Real men don't waste valuable time on Intel 86 family assembly code.

>What makes you respond
>in such a way?

The philosophy: 'Less is More', or if I might quote 
Albert Einstein: "Everything should be made as simple as possible,
but not simpler"

Keith Doyle
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"You'll PAY to know what you REALLY think!"