Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site aecom.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!godot!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!philabs!aecom!teitz From: teitz@aecom.UUCP (Eliyahu Teitz) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Re: Why is AVROM or ABRAM not an allowed name? Message-ID: <1029@aecom.UUCP> Date: Mon, 17-Dec-84 12:03:06 EST Article-I.D.: aecom.1029 Posted: Mon Dec 17 12:03:06 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 20-Dec-84 00:21:36 EST References: <170@dreacad.UUCP> <587@utcsrgv.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Albert Einstein Coll. of Med., NY Lines: 21 > An interesting question. One would think that, if Avram is > not a legal name, Yaakov (Jacob) should not be legal either, > yet obviously it is. > > Does it perhaps depend on the specific wording of the pasuk? > > Dave Sherman > Toronto > -- > { allegra cornell decvax ihnp4 linus utzoo }!utcsrgv!dave The Torah specifically states when changing Avraham's "V'lo yikareh shimcha Avram ki i'm Avraham ..." ( I think that's the exact wording ) And you shall not be called Avram, but rather Avraham ... When the Torah relates the story of Yaakov and Yisrael, this doesn't appear. There was no prohibition set down against either name. In fact the commentaries in many places point out the the names refer to the different attributes of the Jewish nation ( because at times we are called B'nei Yisrael and others Beis Yaakov ). Eliyahu Teitz