Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site cadovax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!godot!harvard!seismo!hao!hplabs!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwrba!cadovax!keithd From: keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: What are: 'real programmers' and 'hackers'? Message-ID: <330@cadovax.UUCP> Date: Tue, 11-Dec-84 21:05:30 EST Article-I.D.: cadovax.330 Posted: Tue Dec 11 21:05:30 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 15-Dec-84 00:36:13 EST References: <754@reed.UUCP> Organization: Contel Cado, Torrance, CA Lines: 55 [] >1) What do 'hackers' and 'real programmers' look like? Noone knows, they're like Graffitists. >2) What do they eat? Food, ... Diet Pepsi, Corndogs, etc. >3) What kind of things do they do with computers? Hackers patch and tweak, Programmers code and debug. >4) What kind of computers do they use? Anything thats available. (they don't always like them) >5) Where do they live, and what kind of place is it in which they reside? In or near 'The Valley' (pick one) Usually in a rented house, and in a mess of misc. hardware, listings, Mass media, and food wrappings. >6) Where do they come from? (High schools, colleges, etc.) Most are self taught while going to school for some other vocation. >7) What languages do they use? Hackers: whatevers available, including HEX and OCTAL, rarely BINARY. Programmers: C, assemblers, Forth, Lisp, Apl 7a) What languages do they NOT use? Hackers: none Programmers: Basic, Cobol, Fortran, RPG, Algol, Logo >8) In what environment do they function best? Late at night with low light levels. (except for the CRTs) > Also, what kind of computer is for *real* men? Real men don't waste valuable time on Intel 86 family assembly code. >What makes you respond >in such a way? The philosophy: 'Less is More', or if I might quote Albert Einstein: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Keith Doyle {ucbvax,ihnp4,decvax}!trwrb!cadovax!keithd "You'll PAY to know what you REALLY think!"