Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2(pesnta.1.2) 9/5/84; site scc.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!hplabs!pesnta!scc!steiny From: steiny@scc.UUCP (Don Steiny) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: Morality and Democracy Message-ID: <288@scc.UUCP> Date: Fri, 21-Dec-84 01:32:59 EST Article-I.D.: scc.288 Posted: Fri Dec 21 01:32:59 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 23-Dec-84 08:11:11 EST References: <540@wucs.UUCP> <223@looking.UUCP> <132@tekchips.UUCP> <10367@watmath.UUCP> <156@tekchips.UUCP> <423@mhuxt.UUCP> Organization: Personetics, Inc. - Santa Cruz, Calif. Lines: 44 > > This is ridiculous. How can pro-choicers argue that abortion is NOT immoral > if we can only use arguements which still make sense when we substitute > something which we all agree is immoral (slavery) for abortion. I don't agree that slavery is immoral. Even if I did, why should immorality or lack thereof influcence how I act about anything? I am a pro-choicer, why should I argue that abortion is not immoral? I do not believe that that those categories are useful ones. According to the Shi'ite Muslims, great Imem like Khomeni (of Iran, sp?), are divinely inspired and can make no moral error. Many people throughout history have claimed have recieved rules from "god" that supercede the rules that were popular at the time. God gave Moses the ten commandments. Joesph Smith heard from god indirectly through the Angel Moroni. Christ has a special relationship with god. Mohammad was very close to god and god spoke through him. The first Shaw of Iran, Isma'il said: "God and the Immaculate Imams are with me. ... if the people utter one word of protest I will draw the sword and leave not one of the alive." It is easy to make moral judgements, after all, "everyone knows what is right and what is wrong." Everyone knows something different. There are so many gods and so many systems of morality to choose from that anything can be justified or prohibited on the grounds of morality. For instance, according to much Christan theology, the decendents of Ham had black skin, a mark, because Ham did something wicked. This justified the degradation and slavery of black people in Christian society until recent times. It is historically a bit weird for a Christian to say that slavery is obviously immoral. -- scc!steiny Don Steiny - Personetics @ (408) 425-0382 109 Torrey Pine Terr. Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 ihnp4!pesnta -\ fortune!idsvax -> scc!steiny ucbvax!twg -/