Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/3/84; site talcott.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!wjh12!talcott!gjk From: gjk@talcott.UUCP Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Re: handicapped spaces Message-ID: <193@talcott.UUCP> Date: Mon, 17-Dec-84 13:51:30 EST Article-I.D.: talcott.193 Posted: Mon Dec 17 13:51:30 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 20-Dec-84 03:09:50 EST References: <121@iris.UUCP> <4000022@hp-pcd.UUCP> <755@oliven.UUCP> <184@talcott.UUCP> <410@amdcad.UUCP> Organization: Harvard Lines: 49 > > I have only rarely seen a legally occupied handicapped parking space, and I > > have often seen a large, completely full parking lot. Completely full, > > that is, except for the handicapped parking spaces, all of which were > > empty. Meanwhile, I spent twenty more minutes looking for a parking space > > in the nearby lots... > > Greg, you are a selfish insensitive jerk. I'm sure any handicapped person > would be happy to trade places with you and spend an extra 20 minutes > parking for the ability to walk in from a distant parking space > while you rolled into the store in your wheelchair. If only it were > possible for you to get an idea of what it's like. ... > Phil Ngai (408) 749-5790 I suppose this is net.flame, but why are you calling me all these names when I only reported what happens to me all the time? I gave no opinions and drew no conclusions, nor have I ever parked in a handicapped parking space. It was a statement of fact. In order to prevent you making up opinions for me, I will give them now. First, I don't see how any one else's handicap is in any way my fault. Second, I did not have in mind handicapped people, I had in mind the absence of them. I don't see how three empty parking spaces will help a handicapped person any more than two. The parking lot I had in mind indeed has more than one handicapped parking space; it has at least five. And not one, not three, but *all* of them were empty. And how do know that I have no idea of what it's like? As a matter of fact I do. I happen to have been temporarily handicapped on more than one occasion because of operations/injuries that I have had. Sure, it was a pain in the ass, but it *didn't even occur to me* to think of anyone else's responsibilites for helping me. When someone helped me, I considered it an act of generosity, something extra on their part, rather than something that they "should" be doing. If I ever see a handicapped person who is walking any distance through a parking lot, I will be more than happy to drive him/her wherever they wish to go, but until that time, I can only stare at the empty parking spaces. In any case, it is a minor issue. It is not something I feel strongly about. It inconveniences me only in a small way. Since many people (apparently you) do feel strongly about this, you can go ahead and have your handicapped parking spaces. I will think about other issues. Like nukes, starving populations, totalitarian regimes... --- Greg Kuperberg harvard!talcott!gjk " " -Charlie Chaplin, for IBM