Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84 chuqui version 1.7 9/23/84; site nsc.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!allegra!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!nsc!myunive From: myunive@nsc.UUCP (Jay Zelitzky) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Don't restrict MY access to handguns just because Message-ID: <2130@nsc.UUCP> Date: Sun, 30-Dec-84 06:04:35 EST Article-I.D.: nsc.2130 Posted: Sun Dec 30 06:04:35 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 30-Dec-84 13:06:05 EST References:<1305@dciem.UUCP> <6788@brl-tgr.ARPA> Reply-To: myunive@nsc.UUCP (Jay Zelitzky) Distribution: net Organization: National Semiconductor, Sunnyvale Lines: 41 Summary: In article <6788@brl-tgr.ARPA> jcp@brl-tgr.ARPA (Joe Pistritto ) writes: >Please explain to me why 'in a Democracy' we should be against: > >2) Protecting personal property with deadly force (meaning a person's > home, as opposed to, say, a car) > > -JCP- I am tired of people confusing the meaning of Democracy. First we do not have a Democracy, we have a Republic. A Democracy would mean that everyone voted on all issues, a Republic means we elect representatives who decide for us. Second in spite of what the NRA or others might believe a Republic in no way guarantees the right of people to private property or to protect their private property. A Republic gives peope the right to elect their government. That is all. The only protection that the constitution puts on private property is that it may not be taken without due process of law. There is nothing in the idea of a republic or even the constitution of the United States that states that private property and the right to protect it is a basic right. One thing that is interesting about guns and crime is that the crime rate does appear to be related to the number of people that have guns to defend themselves against criminals, the more extensive ownership of guns is the higher the crime rate. This can be particularly seen in the American south where ownership of guns is rampant and the crime rate is the highest in the country. The American South also has far and away the highest homicide rates in the U. S.. It is interested that no one can give any examples of countries without gun control who have a low crime rate. One of the few countries which had no enforceable gun controll laws was Lebanon. Of course they had no gun control laws because they had no government but still we saw what happened to them. I renew the challenge for anyone to name a country without any gun controll laws that has a low crime rate. I would be interested in examples of other countries that don't have gun controll laws. I don't know of any off hand. Jay {hplabs,ihnp4,decwrl}!nsc!myunive