Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.6.2.17 $; site uiucdcsb.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcsb!grunwald From: grunwald@uiucdcsb.UUCP Newsgroups: net.college Subject: Re: Programming vs. marks vs. initiative Message-ID: <14700004@uiucdcsb.UUCP> Date: Wed, 12-Dec-84 18:23:00 EST Article-I.D.: uiucdcsb.14700004 Posted: Wed Dec 12 18:23:00 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 15-Dec-84 02:25:42 EST References: <224@looking.UUCP> Lines: 16 Nf-ID: #R:looking:-22400:uiucdcsb:14700004:000:786 Nf-From: uiucdcsb!grunwald Dec 12 17:23:00 1984 You mention that a lot of "really famous people" started out as hacks: Well, admittedly, the people you mentioned in your list are famous in the micro- computer world. However, projects in that world do not often require the cooperation, depth and knowledge that larger projects require. Could these people have assembled something like the Arpanet? Designed a multi-processor machine for numerical grid-equations? Design the INMOS-transputer or the INTEL-432? I doubt it -- these projects require more knowlegde & experience than hacking. This doesn't mean that hacking is bad, but it also means that not hacking is not a terrible thing either. Learning to cooperate with others, to base your designs and goals and formal theory --- these are the goals for >computer science<.