Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84 chuqui version 1.7 9/23/84; site nsc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!nsc!chuqui From: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuqui[The Time Traveller]) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Re: Sex generally Message-ID: <2096@nsc.UUCP> Date: Tue, 18-Dec-84 12:32:18 EST Article-I.D.: nsc.2096 Posted: Tue Dec 18 12:32:18 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 19-Dec-84 02:34:29 EST References: <580@pyuxc.UUCP> <9700015@acf4.UUCP> Reply-To: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuqui[The Time Traveller]) Organization: Callahans Lines: 53 Summary: Ross: >There is a third (fourth?) area that you left out, chuq. The possibility >that perhaps the people that I associate with (friends, business types, etc.) >might be of such a level of education (college or better) that these attitudes >really are not apparent. After my initial posting here, I gave it quite >a bit of thought, and realized this might be the case. The guys who whistle >at the women on the street probably DO see them as sex objects. So I retract >my earlier flame. I would hope that NYU is as enlightened a place as you say, but I doubt it. I'm not accusing you or the group you are in, but sexist actions are not always as overt as whistling on the street and patting them on the fanny. How about: o The dean of a school that hires only good looking secretaries so he has something to look at? o Profressors that trade sexual favors for grades (or worse, trade them and renege) o The recent case of a woman at UT Austin that was denied tenure-- in ways that suspiciously look like the REAL reason was that she was female (this is possibly going to the courts, so a lot of information is not readily available). o the general case that a woman has to work harder, publish more, and generally outperform a man to get tenure-- only to find it much harder to get promoted and get paid less. Schools aren't the only place that practices sexism, of course. I had a dear friend who spent two years in jeans at her work because every time she dressed up someone decided she was a secretary and asked her to make coffee-- this was when she was chairing the meeting they were in, no less. sigh. I think the sexist attitudes of a lot of this country are all very nicely summed up by Garry Trudeau, in one of the questions he had a law school ask Joanie Caucus: If female, why should we allow you into this school when you would probably waste this education by going off and getting married anyway? (paraphrase, the reference is at my other terminal...) chuq -- From behind the bar at Callahan's: Chuq Von Rospach {allegra,cbosgd,decwrl,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo}!nsc!chuqui nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus hath told you Caesar was ambitious... And Brutus is an honorable man