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From: steiny@scc.UUCP (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Morality and Democracy
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Date: Fri, 21-Dec-84 01:32:59 EST
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Posted: Fri Dec 21 01:32:59 1984
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> This is ridiculous.  How can pro-choicers argue that abortion is NOT immoral
> if we can only use arguements which still make sense when we substitute
> something which we all agree is immoral (slavery) for abortion.  

	I don't agree that  slavery is immoral.   Even if I
did, why should immorality or lack thereof influcence 
how I act about anything?   I am a pro-choicer, why should 
I argue that abortion is not immoral?    I do not believe
that that those categories are useful ones.    According
to the Shi'ite Muslims, great Imem like Khomeni (of Iran,
sp?), are divinely inspired and can make no moral error.

Many people throughout history have claimed have recieved rules
from "god" that supercede the rules that were popular
at the time.  God gave Moses the ten commandments.  Joesph 
Smith heard from god indirectly through the Angel Moroni.  
Christ has a special relationship with god.   Mohammad was
very close to god and god spoke through him.    The first
Shaw of Iran,  Isma'il said: "God and the Immaculate Imams
are with me.  ... if the people utter one word of protest
I will draw the sword and leave not one of the alive."

	It is easy to make moral judgements, after all,
"everyone knows what is right and what is wrong."   Everyone
knows something different.   There are so many gods
and so many systems of morality to choose from that 
anything can be justified or prohibited on the grounds 
of morality.   For instance, according to much 
Christan theology, the decendents of Ham had
black skin, a mark, because Ham did something wicked.
This justified the degradation and slavery of black
people in Christian society until recent times.  It is
historically a bit weird for a Christian to say that
slavery is obviously immoral.

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