Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site uscvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!uscvax!tli From: tli@uscvax.UUCP (Tony Li) Newsgroups: net.cse Subject: Re: Where have all the hackers gone? (reposted) Message-ID: <1299@uscvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 14-Dec-84 03:14:13 EST Article-I.D.: uscvax.1299 Posted: Fri Dec 14 03:14:13 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 17-Dec-84 02:35:30 EST References: <3137@utah-cs.UUCP> <629@bunker.UUCP> Organization: CS&CE Depts, U.S.C., Los Angeles, CA Lines: 55 > > The department I belong has very few undergraduate hacker > > types. They are being replaced by normal looking, normal acting people who > > only want to make money. They do their assignments on time, and seldom > > write > > anything that they aren't either getting credit for, or being paid for. > > It's sickening. > What's even more sickening is that nine out of ten of them do a *LOUSY* job. I think that this is a result of Csci being advertised as a big-money field. Kids get out of high-school, say they want to make the big $$$$, and ask the advisor what pays well. They end up in CS. Then they find out that it isn't easy. Sigh. > When (if?) you get out of school, you will find that doing assignments on > time is a definite plus in the professional world. If you are good at it, > you will only do what you get paid for, because you will not have time to > do other things. He who pays the fiddler calls the tune; he who pays the > programmer specifies what programs will be written. "Only" want to make > money? I doubt that; I, for one, like making money, but I also enjoy > learning how to do what I do well. > ^ | | Hmmm... Sounds to me like you're one of the hackers. > > Where have the hackers gone? They must have gone somewhere. > > > Does anyone know of a computer science department somewhere that > > has decent facilities but still allows undergraduates the oppertunity > > to work on their own prodjects. Is there anyplace out there that > > gives undergraduates access to uucp. I know that that is a lot to ask > > of a department, but the must be someplace, deep in the backwaters of > > computer sciencedom, laid back enough to give undergraduates the > > opportunity to really learn how to program. > > Steven (Harley) Davidson > > > Gary Samuelson Harvey Mudd College (yes, I'm biased) does allow undergrads unlimited access to their computers (almost). Uucp and source access seems to be a problem currently, but this seems to be a momentary problem. Unfortunately, Mudd, as of yet, does not have a CS dept. I'm not sure that they want one, or what. In fact, in the case of Mudd, I'm not sure that one would be a good idea. Cheers, Tony ;-) -- Tony Li ;-) Usc Computer Science Uucp: {sdcrdcf,randvax}!uscvax!tli Csnet: tli@usc-cse.csnet Arpa: tli@usc-ecl