Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihuxr.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!mhuxn!houxm!ihnp4!ihuxr!lew From: lew@ihuxr.UUCP (Lew Mammel, Jr.) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Paranoid fancies Message-ID: <1241@ihuxr.UUCP> Date: Wed, 5-Dec-84 12:36:54 EST Article-I.D.: ihuxr.1241 Posted: Wed Dec 5 12:36:54 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 6-Dec-84 05:19:42 EST Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 28 Regarding the assertion that creationists' don't want their children to learn about evolution, Ray Miller writes: >I have challenged Martin (et al.) to document his slander concerning creation- >ists in net.origins (where this discussion belongs). He is free to use any >published matterial from the Institute for Creation Research, the Creation >Research Society, the Bible Science Association, or Students for Origins >Research. Since he has not done so, we can only conclude that his paranoid >fear springs from his own mind, and has no basis in reality. Ray's restriction on allowable sources is interesting. If we had the power of subpoena, as Judge Overton did, we might find something not contained in the exoteric literature, as Judge Overton did. Quoting from the "Arkansas decision" (SCIENCE, 19 FEB 1982) : Mr. Ellwanger's ultimate purpose is revealed in the closing of his letter to Mr. Tom Bethell: "Perhaps, this is old hat to you, Tom, and if so, I'd appreciate your telling me so and perhaps where you've heard it before - the idea of killing evolution instead of playing these debating games that we've been playing for nigh over a decade already." (Unnumbered attachment to Ellwanger Depo. at 3) Ellwanger was the one who drafted the "Balanced Treatment for Creation-Science and Evolution-Science Act" which was the subject of the trial. Paranoid fancy, Ray? Lew Mammel, Jr. ihnp4!ihuxr!lew