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From: biep@klipper.UUCP (J. A. "Biep" Durieux)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Re: 'smear' campaign
Message-ID: <386@klipper.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 10-Dec-84 15:02:51 EST
Article-I.D.: klipper.386
Posted: Mon Dec 10 15:02:51 1984
Date-Received: Thu, 13-Dec-84 01:42:19 EST
References: <6166@mcvax.UUCP> <270@spp2.UUCP> <127@talcott.UUCP> <692@erix.UUCP> <146@talcott.UUCP> <6217@mcvax.UUCP> <173@talcott.UUCP>
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In article <173@talcott.UUCP> gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg J Kuperberg) writes:
>> In article <146@talcott.UUCP> gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg J Kuperberg) writes:
>> > Remember, this is an American network that your posting to.
>> No it's not.
>
>Ok, how many UUCP hosts are there?  And how many of them are in the U.S.?
>And where was UUCP started anyway?  And where was Unix invented?  And
>the vax?  And the silicon chip?  And the telephone?

And who invented the Latin alphabet? And the English language? And electri-
city? And collaboration? And negative comments about the U.S.? Please don't
be silly!

>> > I have not seen one positive comment about the U.S. coming from Europe in
>> > net.politics. [...] But if you really want to have a smear campaign, Mike,
>> > Steven, Piet, and the rest of you, here goes: ...
>> I think you may be getting paranoid. I don't remember making one criticism
>> of the US in any posting. 
>> 				Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; steven@mcvax.
>
>Read Piet's stuff.  (Piet's (in-)famous "black day" article)  Read
>the rest of Piet's articles, and read the other articles from Holland, the
>articles from Sweden, the articles from Canada, etc.

Oh, yes, of course! And "the" articles from America (I guess you mean Peru
and Mexico) are all... Please, I generally do like the U.S., but when you
are doing so terribly, narrow mindedly "American", I can't stand. Every
summer there are buses full of "Americans", who want to "do Europe in ten
days" (no, I'm serious), who stop somewhere, yell "VERY NICE!!", take pho-
tographs, don't have any consideration for local community life, think they
are "nice guys" because they give away chewing gum and cigarettes, and think
there is a "Europe" like there are United States. I happen to know there are
other U.S.ers than these, but these are the one one normally meets over here.
(Yes, I did exaggerate, but only a little bit.)
I generally disagree with Piet on what he says, and I even generally disagree
with Piet on how he says it, but why should I be right and he be wrong?
And if really the whole world is against the U.S., well, then the whole world
must be wrong, isn't it?

>If criticizing governments strikes your fancy, then may I call your
>attention to extremely high death rate in Cambodia, the Cuban troops in
>Ethiopia, or the French arms industry.

Why should we criticize that on an "American" network? Does that have any
effect? Or do you want us to criticize for the sake of criticizing?

>But if you happen to be like Piet and others; if you don't care about all
>of politics, or all the things that the U.S. does, but only care about the
>bad things that the U.S. does; if you only want to be anti-American, then I
>have great contempt for you.
>							Greg Kuperberg

See above.
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							  Biep.
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I utterly disagree with  everything  you are saying,  but I 
am prepared to fight to the death for your right to say it.
							--Voltaire