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Subject: Re: Any old car lovers out there?
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Date: Thu, 29-Nov-84 11:21:03 EST
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Posted: Thu Nov 29 11:21:03 1984
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> I have read a multitude of articles on what the netters consider to
> be true sports cars. I have noticed that most all of the opinions lean
> towards new cars. I don't wish to imply that newer cars are not nice,
> I have driven several and have been reasonably impressed with many of them,
> but doesn't anyone talk or care about the older "special interest" cars 
> anymore (i.e. flat out accelleration type fun!). I traded my 1982 Mazda
> RX7-GSL with 15000 miles, stored in the winter, pampered in the summer,
> not driven in the rain, etc., for a supercharged
> 1966 Shelby GT350, and, though the RX-7
> was a very nice car, I don't miss it when I look in the garage and see the 
> Shelby sitting there. I miss it even less when I take it out on
> a sunny day and blow the doors off of anything I come up against. This
> has lead to more than one roadside chat with the driver of the 
> newer competition, and it has always been an enjoyable experience. 
> For all the time I drove the RX-7, although it was a nice car, I 
> never got to have a conversation with anyone about cars, driving, etc.
> Something else that makes me miss the RX-7 less and less is the fact that
> although I got top dollar for the car when I sold it (11K), I still lost money
> over the 2 1/2 years I owned the car. The Shelby is worth at least as much
> now as it was when I bought it (i.e. I didn't pay 
> a penalty of a couple of thousand
> dollars just for driving the car off the new car lot) 
> and the value will go up in time, not down. I have
> owned a few new cars in the past and have ALWAYS lost money. Yes, I could
> have pampered them for 20 years and got my investment back, but it doesn't
> seem reasonable when there is an easier way. Doesn't anyone else
> feel this way? How about some real (honest) stories about older
> special interest cars on the net. I, for one, would enjoy a change
> of pace. It would be interesting to see what kind of rare and special
> automobiles exist out there! 
> 	Mark Longo	(drutx!mrl)
> 	AT&T ISL, Denver

*I posted an article a while back that listed the 50 Fastest "Muscle Cars"
to see if there was anyone out there who was interested....however since
I didn't see any responses, I suspect that the article never made it out.
So, I'll re-issue again ( with apologies if everyone's seen it).

Mark, how about some more info on your Shelby?

Here's some information that maybe of interest to all you "Muscle Car"
enthusiats out there...This table is derived from an article entitled
"The 50 Fastest Musclecars" in the Nov 1984 issue of CAR REVIEW magazine.

If there is enought response and interest, I may post the entire article
later.

			      THE 50 FASTEST

Number	Car year/make		e.t./mph	engine	trans	weight	source
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  1	1966 427 Cobra		12.20/118	427 8V	4-spd	2529	CD11/65
  2	1966 427 Corvette	12.80/112	427 4V	4-spd	3160	CD11/65
  3	1970 BUICK GS STAGE 1	13.38/105.5	455 4V	auto	3810	MT 1/70
  4	1968 427 Corvette	13.41/109.5	427 6V*	4-spd	3285	CL 6/68
  5	1968 Hemi Charger	13.50/105	426 8V	auto	4035	CD11/67
  6	1969 Hemi Road Runner	13.54/105.1	426 8V 	auto	3938	CD 1/69
  7	1969 Hemi Charger 500	13.68/104.8	426 8V	4-spd	4025	CL 4/69
  8	1971 Hemi Super Bee	13.73/104	426 8V	auto	4083	MT12/70
  9	1970 Hemi 'Cuda	       ?13.70/101.2     426 8V 	auto	na	MT 9/69
 10	1965 Catalina 2+2	13.80/106	421 6V	4-spd	4155	CD 3/65
 11	1969 Super Bee Six Pack 13.80/104.2	440 6V	auto	3845	CL 7/69
 12	1971 Boss 351 Mustang	13.80/104	351 4V	4-spd	3452	MT 1/71
 13	1968 Royal Bobcat GTO	13.80/104	428 4V	auto	3784	CD 2/68
 14 	1966 Hemi Satellite	13.80/104	426 8V	4-spd	3954	CD 4/66
 15	1970 SS454 Chevelle	13.81/103.8	454 4V	auto	3885	CD 2/70
 16  	1969 Cyclone CJ		13.86/101.7	428 4V	auto	3880	MT 1/69
 17	1962 Catalina		13.90/107	421 4V	4-spd	4070	MT 5/62
 18	1969 Mach 1 Mustang CJ	13.90/103.3	428 4V	auto 	3420	CL 3/69
 19	1970 Torino Cobra	13.99/101	429 4V	4-spd 	3586	MT 2/70
 20	1970 Hemi Challenger	14.00/104	426 8V	auto	3880	RT 6/70
 21	1966 Shelby GT-350S	14.00/102	289 4V**auto 	2950	MT 8/66
 22	1962 Corvette		14.00/100	327 4V	4-spd	3080	CL 5/62
 23	1964 289 Cobra		14.00/98	289 4V	4-spd	2206	CL 8/64
 24 	1968 Hemi GTX		14.00/96.5	426 8V	auto	3950	CL 2/68
 25	1968 'Cuda 440		14.01/103.8	440 4V	auto	3405	CL 6/69
 26	1961 Impala SS		14.02/98.1	409 4V	4-spd	3736	MT
 27	1969 Torino Cobra	14.04/100.6	428 4V	auto 	3890	CD 1/69
 28	1969 Super Bee	 	14.04/99.5	383 4V	auto	3765	CD 1/69
 29	1966 GTO		14.05/105.1	389 6V	4-spd	3620	CD 3/66
 30	1969 Boss 429 Mustang	14.09/102.9	429 4V	4-spd	3560	CL 6/69
 31	1967 GTO		14.09/101	400 4V	4-spd	3445	MT 1/67
 32	1965 Corvette		14.10/104	396 4V	4-spd	3260	CL 8/65
 33	1969 Grand Prix SJ	14.10/95.3	428 4V	auto	4180	CL 2/69
 34	1972 454 Corvette	14.10/93	454 4V	auto	3725	MT 1/72
 35	1969 SC/Rambler		14.14/100.9	390 4V	4-spd	3160	RT ?/69
 36	1970 LT-1 Corvette	14.17/102.2	350 4V	4-spd	3710	CL 8/70
 37	1970 442 Olds		14.20/102.1	455 4V	4-spd	3887	RT 3/70
 38	1967 Dana Camaro	14.20/102	427 4V	4-spd	3368	CL 4/67
 39	1970 Z/28 Camaro	14.20/100.3	350 4V	auto	3640	CD 5/70
 40	1968 Firebird 400 HO	14.20/100.3	400 4V	auto	3550	CD 3/68
 41	1964 Corvette		14.20/100	327FI***4-spd	3180	MT 9/64
 42	1962 Corvette		14.20/99 	283 4V	4-spd	3040	CL 9/61
 43	1970 SuperBird		14.26/103.7	440 4V	na	3841	RT 4/70
 44	1967 Fairlane GTA	14.26/99	390 4V	auto	3640	CD 3/66
 45	1969 Road Runner	14.35/101.6	383 4V	4-spd	3630	MT 2/69
 46	1970 Duster 340		14.39/97.2	340 4V	4-spd	3368	CD 2/70
 47	1962 Dodge Ramcharger	14.40/101	413 8V	auto	3440	MT 8/62
 48	1970 'Cuda Six Pack	14.40/100	440 6V	4-spd	3720	MT 5/70
 49	1967 Firebird 400	14.40/100	400 4V	4-spd	3598	CD 3/67
 50	1971 GTX		14.40/98.7	440 4V	auto	3852	RT12/70

* Aluminum Heads   ** Paxton Supercharged   *** Fuel Injected
MT=Motor Trend  CD=Car & Driver   CL=Car Life   RT=Road & Track


[  Information is taken from table in article "The 50 Fastest Musclecars"  ]
   from Nov 1984 issue of CAR REVIEW Magazine.

"There is no substitute for CUBIC INCHES..."

Jim Hoo 
Teltone Corporation, Kirkland, Wa. => !uw-beaver!teltone!hoo

(By the way, I own one of those.... "3rd Fastest".)