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From: brownc@utah-cs.UUCP (Eric C. Brown)
Newsgroups: net.cse
Subject: Where have all the hackers gone?
Message-ID: <3137@utah-cs.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 8-Dec-84 03:19:29 EST
Article-I.D.: utah-cs.3137
Posted: Sat Dec  8 03:19:29 1984
Date-Received: Mon, 10-Dec-84 02:19:06 EST
Organization: Univ of Utah CS Dept
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Subject: Where have all the hackers gone?
Newsgroups: net.college, net.cse

The following is a message that I have forwarded for a friend of mine:
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Because of the popularity of computer science as a field of study as of late,
many computer science departments have been forced to severely limit 
enrollment.  Generally they do this by raising entrance requirements 
and by requiring new freshmen to take "weed out" courses designed to make 
computer science as unpleasant as possible.  This ensures that only the 
fittest students will survive, the rest being exiled to other majors or 
other schools.  There is only one disturbing fact:  The fittest students 
aren't neccessarily the best programmers. 

  Computer science departments around the country are systematically screening
out the hackers.  The department I belong has very few undergraduate hacker
types.  They are being replaced by normal looking, normal acting people who
only want to make money.  They do their assignments on time, and seldom write
anything that they aren't either getting credit for, or being paid for.  It's
sickening.

  Where have the hackers gone?  They must have gone somewhere.  Does anyone
know of a computer science department somewhere that has decent facilities but
still allows undergraduates the oppertunity to work on their own prodjects.  Is
there anyplace out there that gives undergraduates access to uucp.  I know that
that is a lot to ask of a department, but the must be someplace, deep in the
backwaters of computer sciencedom, laid back enough to give undergraduates the
opportunity to really learn how to program.

	Steven (Harley) Davidson

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