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From: dxp@pyuxhh.UUCP (D Peak)
Newsgroups: net.rec
Subject: Re: any gunslingers?
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Date: Tue, 4-Dec-84 11:17:34 EST
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Posted: Tue Dec  4 11:17:34 1984
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>> >Any gunslingers out there?  In particular, I am interested if anyone
>> >has an opinion on the HK VP70Z.  (I can get one cheap).  I know 9mm is
>> >a wheeze, but that seems to be the way the world is going.
>> >
>> >Advice appreciated.
>> 
>The american version is fairly boring.  If you can get the detachable shoulder
>stock which enables the 3-shot full auto mode type european version, it's a
>lot more interesting.                                                        

  Verry interesting and also illegal ! You now have a short barrelled carbine
which is not something you should be telling a lot of people about. I've
recently seen a shoulder stock that is not "attached" to the gun and therefore
is not considered a carbine(its moulded so that the hand grip rest firmly in
the stock).

>                       In the american semi-auto only version, I've heard it
>rated as heavy handed... your finger will tire trying to repeatedly fire it.

 Agreed especially if you have small or medium sized hands.
 
>Like the semi-auto version of an Uzi, it's one of those products which by
>attempting to meet US law has lost its functional utility.  By the way, you'll
>find that 3 quick 9mm hits (which the VP70Z was designed to excell at) will
>take someone down better than the one .45 hit so venerated by the old timers.

  If you use the newish "sivertip" JHP ammo the 9mm is pretty much on a par
one-on-one with the .45.

>There are better choices than the VP70Z for semi-auto only mode... the P9S
>comes to mind, or a Devel conversion of an S&W 39, 59, 459, etc.           

 Browning BDA etc etc however one thing that the VP70Z has over all these 
mention is a capacity of 18 rounds in each clip. This I suspect is one of
the major reasons that people initially look at the VP70Z. Hell with two
spare clips in your belt you've got your own small army.

>                                                                  The real
>question of course, is what do you want it for?  If its to save your life,
>money should not be a consideration (what's your life worth?) so what does it
>matter what you can get cheap?  If it's for target practice, try a Ruger
>Model 1.  If it's all just a part of the game:
>	"The Guy who dies with the most toys, wins"
>then why not an Ingram Mac-10 so you can rock 'n' roll?
>Or if your aim is poor, try a nuclear hand-grenade.
>Or for real class you could get a Thompson Center Contender and 43million
>barrel conversions.  Or if you prefer wheelguns, how about a Gatling Gun...
>but I digress... 
>
>	Anyone know where I can buy Glaser Safety Slugs or better 9mm ammo?
>	Oh, pretty please?  They're so hard to find.
>
>				Sunny
>-- 

   Theoretically only police can buy Glaser Safety Slugs(thats why they are so
hard to find), not I'm not sure but I would imagine that if only the police can
buy them then only the police would be allowed to possess them. Need I go on ?
As I mentioned earlier lots of good(really good) things are being said about
"silvertip" ammo for the 9mm(expansion to .55,approx 90-95 % weight retention).
Also if you hand load you could use shotshell in the larger sizes 2->00 to give
you better stopping power (not like the Glaser however).

I didn't notice any smiley face in your article, which is a shame because of
some of the quasi-legal stuff that you mention.



-- 

    Dave Peak (pyuxhh!dxp)

"He's a legend in his own mind"