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From: franka@hercules.UUCP (Frank Adrian)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Re: Obituary
Message-ID: <343@hercules.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 6-Dec-84 14:36:33 EST
Article-I.D.: hercules.343
Posted: Thu Dec  6 14:36:33 1984
Date-Received: Sun, 9-Dec-84 06:20:34 EST
References: <658@sjuvax.UUCP> <22400050@ea.UUCP>
Reply-To: franka@hercules.UUCP (Frank Adrian)
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton OR
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In article <22400050@ea.UUCP> mwm@ea.UUCP writes:
>I have a confession to make. Every time somebody on the left pokes at the
>Nazis (and it's always the left, never the right. Wonder if that means
>anything?), I put up that facade. The invariable reaction is "they did bad
>things, and everybody admits it, so they can't be one of us." The reason
>is, I want to know how to recognize a socialist state *from the outside*.
>I'll concede that the Nazis and the Soviets are socialist.  So how do I
>tell if a state is socialist?
>
>The current offering is: "Socialists believe in state control of the means
>of production." Sounds like *any* totalitarian state would qualify,
>including the Soviets and the Nazis. Care to try again?
>

Socialists believe in state ownership in the name of the people.  Facists be-
lieve in state ownership as a means of protecting property for those who run
the government.

			"Remember, wherever you happen to be --
				you're already there"
					Frank Adrian
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