Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxd!rlr From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.flame Subject: Re: Flame: Sargent's theory of homosexuality Message-ID: <288@pyuxd.UUCP> Date: Wed, 28-Nov-84 10:00:31 EST Article-I.D.: pyuxd.288 Posted: Wed Nov 28 10:00:31 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 29-Nov-84 05:21:47 EST References: <283@haddock.UUCP> <1464@pucc-h>, <1132@bbncca.ARPA> <1504@pucc-h> <1163@bbncca.ARPA> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. Lines: 33 [Once again, Jeff's response article that Steve Dyer quoted never got here. If someone (say the author) would... etc.] >>I do wonder why my statements provoke a flame. It has been my experience that >>heated denials often are a cover for a truth that the denier does not want >>to accept or admit. [SARGENT] Oh, boy. Like when, if someone accuses you of wishful thinking as the basis of your religious belief, you call him a liar. Like when, if someone exposes the fact that your analysis (of the real causes of what you subjectively believe to be the work of god) is shoddy, presuming pre-chosen conclusions, and avoiding less presumptive possibilities, you claim that the burden of proof is on THEIR shoulders to prove YOU wrong. Or you call them one of "Satan's secret agents", or victims of "Satan's propaganda". I'll stop now. I think I've summed it up. > I received a response by mail to my first comment on Jeff's article: > > > I get the impression that Jeff Sargent's problem is > > that he uses introspection to understand humanity, and > > (badly) generalizes from his own experiences and neuroses to > > the rest of the world. It's an easy trap to fall into, > > especially when one is young and lonely -- which he is. > > This just about sums it up. I have no problem hearing Jeff's explanations > of his own mental processes, but he needs to understand that only Jeff works > like Jeff, and to assume otherwise is to invite misunderstanding. [DYER] Agreed. -- "So, it was all a dream!" --Mr. Pither "No, dear, this is the dream; you're still in the cell." --his mother Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr