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From: jnelson@trwrba.UUCP (John T. Nelson)
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Subject: Re: More replies to Ken (and general comments)
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Date: Sat, 8-Dec-84 15:19:20 EST
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		[JOHN NELSON]
		if man *were* by himself (that is, without God) then
		there would be nothing he would need saving *from*.
		There would be no train to run him down (the train
		being a metaphor for hell) since according to Ken
		[Nichols] it is God who is providing the damnation.

	[LARRY BICKFORD]
	But if there were no God, man would not exist.  Nothing would
	exist.  (This could get into some really mind-bending
	philosophy....)

Only to those who believe that everything is a consequence of God.  To
those who don't believe in God, there is no train (Hell) and there are
no tracks.  Man would be a product of (what else) evolution.

	Anyway, the engineer of your train is you.  You choose to run
	yourself down.

According to Ken Nichols it is God who is in the driver's seat and not
man.  God is the engineer of this train called hell.  He can put on the
brakes at anytime he chooses.

Notice how often we are reminded that God is in control of everything and
yet when it comes to hell, man is saddled with the blame for "wanting it
all along" in some obtuse fasion.  The facts still remain.  God created
hell for the sole and express purpose of punishing all of those who did
not follow his ways.  Its as simple as that.  You cannot project the blame
on man simply to fulfill the preconceived definition of a holy God.



					- John