Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 SMI; site sun.uucp Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!godot!harvard!seismo!hao!hplabs!oliveb!ios!pesnta!amdcad!decwrl!sun!sunny From: sunny@sun.uucp (Sunny Kirsten) Newsgroups: net.women,net.singles Subject: Re: Rape: The Unresolved Trauma Message-ID: <1863@sun.uucp> Date: Tue, 11-Dec-84 02:38:46 EST Article-I.D.: sun.1863 Posted: Tue Dec 11 02:38:46 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 13-Dec-84 02:26:50 EST References: <1855@sun.uucp> <2182@randvax.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 72 Xref: watmath net.women:3770 net.singles:4835 > From sun!sunny: > > > ....consider the untold, > > unresolved trauma so many carry for the rest of their lives... > > all so men can assert their dominance... their God given right to use women > > as their slaves. > > Hang on a minute; are you trying to substantiate the claims of all > those who accuse you of being a man-hater? Your over-generalization > upset me, as I suspect it did a lot of men on the net. Is this what > you intended? please note that I said "all so men..." NOT "so all men..." men is the plural of man, meaning, more than one, not all. Every person, both men and women, has both a good side, and a bad side. I'm dealing with the bad side of men here. That leaves three other subjects to deal with in OTHER discussions. You start it, I'll contribute. I happen to believe that the bad side of men, when carried to the extreme, is responsible for some very severe physical abuse in the world, such as rape. Women may be catty and bitchy, but they seldom wreak the physical havoc men do. They don't run out and build bombs capable of destryoing the earth 1000 times over the way men do in their civilized version of "my thingy is bigger than yours", "I'm the dominant buck, and I get to run the herd". Humans are NOT so different from the other animals when it comes to mating instincts. To tie-in another discusson raging in net.singles... why do women go for assholes? Because it's more of a challenge to tame a wild beast than a wimp, it gives a bigger feeling of victory. (yes, sounds a lot like men's games). The fact is that each and every human contains BOTH. The man's inner "woman" is the "anima", and the woman's inner "man" is the animus. A well balanced human will have these integrated and balanced. Western culture has done it's best to suppress the "anima" in men, with the result of imbalance, and excessive dominance of the outer "hairy beast". I'm honest to God scared shitless that by the year 2000, there won't be any life on this planet, because some male is going to "push the button" and nuke it all back to the stone age. The same force is the one involved in rape. Male dominance. The eternal male battle to be THE dominant male of the herd who gets to pass on his precious genes. I don't hate men. I hate the excessive dominance exhibited by some men in some circumstances. We MUST tame it, or the species will die. The PLANET will be sterile. There's no place to run and hide from radiation, like there is to run and hide from rapists. As long as we keep teaching males that "boys don't cry" "boys don't feel emotion" and as long as women remain second rate citizens, we are in danger of extinction. Is that what we want? > *Some* men might believe in total dominance over women, and THE INFLUENCE > OF THIS IDEA IS STRONG IN OUR CULTURE. I see YOU said it too. > just how far even the most clear-thinking of us was from awareness > of how sex roles bind us. AHA! I'm SO glad you brought that up. It is precisely the total polarization of the roles which is the problem. Only by merging the roles more, can we achieve the necessary balance. "violence here is the social norm" "one world is enough for all of us" "rehumanize yourself"...The Police "anyone who contributes to the destruction of my planet, I damn to burn eternally in the fires of hell"...Sunny For all the rest of you, man, woman, or child, I have much love and many hugs. Sunny -- mail ucbvax\!sun\!sunny decvax\!sun\!sunny ihnp4\!sun\!sunny<