Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ucf-cs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!mcnc!duke!ucf-cs!yiri From: yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Quit begging the question Julie!!! Message-ID: <1823@ucf-cs.UUCP> Date: Sat, 8-Dec-84 20:05:21 EST Article-I.D.: ucf-cs.1823 Posted: Sat Dec 8 20:05:21 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 10-Dec-84 03:25:40 EST Organization: UCF, Orlando, FL Lines: 54 Julie Harazduk writes: Well, better late than never. In one sense, ken, you're right. Converting from Judaism to Christianity can't truly happen. What can happen is the acceptance of Jesus Christ as the Messiah promised by God in the covenant described in the Torah (and other Scripture as well). Barring any argument from Yiri, Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism brought to the Jew first and to the Gentile (see Romans 1:16). As Jeff Sargent said so eloquently, Christ is the High Priest (see Hebrews 2:17) and the Sacrifice (Hebrews 9:13-14). He requires ``our'' lives as a living sacrifice (Romans 12:1). We must be dead to ourselves and alive to Him (Romans 6:4-11). ************************ Yiri (of course) responds: What a bunch of logical garbage! You haven't even attempted to explain the counterfeitting and lack of link-up to Judaism and you beg the question as if that's ok. You ignore that the historical Y'shua was just the opposite of Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ is an antichrist fabricated by pagans of the Roman Empire to further their own ambitions as Constantine did, and you keep right on spouting your drivel. There is no legitimate historical connection between Judaism and Christianity except that the Roman pagans based their fabrications on the Jewish idea - but they perverted it to their hearts content and made it the opposite of what was originally taught by the N'tzarim. You quote from the same book which even Christian scholars admit has been "revised" in the earliest extant mss. and pretend to know some- thing about Judaic scripture. You want some credence? Then answer the questions!!!!! ************************* If you're considering Christ, you're on the right track. Just as Him to make Himself real to you. I hope that nothing that has been said will discourage you for seeking the truth. Julie A. Harazduk philabs!jah ************************** Yiri responds: If you're considering Christ you should know that you are considering following an image counterfeitted by Romans of the Roman Empire; an image which is anti-historical and diametrically contrary to the historical figure he claims to be - and for this he is a counterfeit and a contra-messiah. Y'shua and the N'tzarim died at the hands of Christians who were followers of Jesus Christ BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT ABANDON THEIR OBSERVANCE OF TORAH!!! It is Jesus Christ and his followers, the Christians who have changed the times (Dan. 7) (Passover to the festival for the pagan goddes Esotera [Easter], adopted the birthday to the sun god Mithra [Christmas], instituted idolatry [mariolatry, jesus, saints, etc], and on and on. Read something other than just their propaganda. In fact, so should Julie!!! ***************************