Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ttidcb.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!mcnc!philabs!ttidca!ttidcb!robertsb From: robertsb@ttidcb.UUCP (Robin Roberts) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: The real issue about nuclear weapons Message-ID: <223@ttidcb.UUCP> Date: Mon, 10-Dec-84 12:15:47 EST Article-I.D.: ttidcb.223 Posted: Mon Dec 10 12:15:47 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 13-Dec-84 01:36:53 EST References: <29200165@uiucdcs.UUCP> <333@ut-sally.UUCP><> Reply-To: robertsb@ttidcb.UUCP (Robin Roberts) Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc. (CitiCorp), Santa Monica Lines: 63 Summary: >================ > ... Baloney. Humanity has survived calamities equal or greater >( relatively ) than a nuclear war and will I'm sure survive far more in the >future.... >Until then I'm afraid I can not take the anti-nuke types seriously because I >don't think they take reality seriously. >-- > Robin D. Roberts >================ >Please give an example of a catastrophe greater than Nuclear Winter >that humanity has survived (even relatively). And don't weasel out of it by >claiming WWII was a nuclear war because the USA dropped its whole >nuclear arsenal in that war. We are talking about the possible >elimination of animal life from the world, here, and the certain >elimination of civilization. >Who is it that should take reality seriously? >-- >Martin Taylor >{allegra,linus,ihnp4,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt >{uw-beaver,qucis,watmath}!utcsrgv!dciem!mmt You should pay more attention to reality than irrational slogans. Examples of worst catastrophes that humans have survived: The last Ice Age. But that is not the point of the article that Mr Taylor so easily ignores. The point is that weapons aren't significant. Nuclear devices introduce NO fundamentally new form of suffering to mankind that we haven't already experienced. The peoples of sub-Saharan Africa are today suffering from what would probably kill more people after a world-wide nuclear war than the blast effects and radiation that form the basis of most irrational fears. And the disruption of economy and agriculture that causes famine certainly wasn't introduced by nuclear weapons. WWII DID bring death, famine and maiming injuries to probably over 100 million people and all with conventional human destruction. The bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are insignificant. People who loudly declaim nuclear weapons and ignoring the real issue in favor of assuaging their upper class guilt with irrationality. If they wanted peace as much as they claimed they would fight for it and freedom but instead they truly seek superficial causes with slogans they can comprehend. Peace requires an investment of time in understanding not a $2.00 bumper sticker. -- Robin D. Roberts (213) 450 9111 x 2916 TTI Zone V4 aka Buskirk the Valerian 3100 Ocean Park Blvd Death to Tyrants ! Santa Monica, CA 90405 UUCP: ..!ucbvax!ihnp4!vortex!ttidca!ttidcb!robertsb or {cadovax,flick,philabs,randvax,trwrb,vortex,wtux2}!ttidca!ttidcb!robertsb or ttidca!ttidcb!robertsb@RAND-UNIX.ARPA