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From: cdshaw@watmath.UUCP (Chris Shaw)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Re: re: when does life begin
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Date: Thu, 6-Dec-84 21:45:54 EST
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Posted: Thu Dec  6 21:45:54 1984
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> > 
> > Being provided with shelter by *someone else's* body is one H*LL of a
> > lot more that being provided a crib, etc.!  Drinking out of a bottle
> > and breathing the atmosphere are very different from pulling nutrients
> > and oxygen direct from *someone else's* bloodstream!
> > --
> > Ken Montgomery
> 
> I don't see how they're very different. If you look at the sidelines of most
> professional football games you see very alive people pulling in oxygen
> from a tank and intravenous feedings are commonplace. How a person obtains
> nutrients and oxygen does not make that person dependent on the source and
> the reason for the original posting was to refute a statement on the
> fetus's alledged biological dependence on the mother.
> 
> 				Mike Johnston

BOGUS BOGUS BOGUS ....... as BOGUS approaches aleph-37 infinity !!!!

I defy you, "Mike Johnston", to cut the umbilical cord of any unborn less
than 6 months from conception and let it live by oxygen tank & intravenous
alone.

The FACT remains, despite your concentratedly intense wanderings in mindless
dreamland, that a fetus in (say) the first trimester is TOTALLY AND UTTERLY
dependent on the host organism (i.e., mother). No giving of stupid examples
about football players with gas masks changes this unalterable fact.

So stop wasting my time with this inane dumbness about a fetus being 
bologically independent of its mother. If the mother dies, the fetus dies, 
and that is all there is to that !!!!

In fact, if you want to get biological, there is no form of biological 
relationship more dependent that between mother and fetus! Why, if a fetus
were biologically independent, mother could consume heroin, thalidomide and
marijuana 3 times a day in massive quantities for 9 solid months during
pregnancy and the baby would be as healthy as the child of an Amish woman
who took great care of herself.

And as far as this nonsense being bandied about the net in regard to 
baby not sharing genetic material with mom & dad  is concerned, the reader
is directed to consign those articles to the trashbin. Again, the screamingly
obvious counter-example will suffice. Is the race of a person controlled by
genes ?? --Yes!! How about eye colour ? --again yes. Therefore, if a white
man impregnates a white woman, what colour will the child be ? --white, of
course! Obviously, the child is completely dependent of mom & dad for the
genetic makeup. After all, where else would junior's genes come from, Levi's?


          		Leaving 'til the stupidity filter gets ported to unix,

					I remain
					CD Shaw