Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site trwrba.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwrba!jnelson From: jnelson@trwrba.UUCP (John T. Nelson) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: More replies to Ken (and general comments) Message-ID: <1163@trwrba.UUCP> Date: Sat, 8-Dec-84 15:19:20 EST Article-I.D.: trwrba.1163 Posted: Sat Dec 8 15:19:20 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 10-Dec-84 02:10:54 EST References: <1114@trwrba.UUCP>, <1506@pucc-h> Organization: TRW EDS, Redondo Beach, CA Lines: 34 [JOHN NELSON] if man *were* by himself (that is, without God) then there would be nothing he would need saving *from*. There would be no train to run him down (the train being a metaphor for hell) since according to Ken [Nichols] it is God who is providing the damnation. [LARRY BICKFORD] But if there were no God, man would not exist. Nothing would exist. (This could get into some really mind-bending philosophy....) Only to those who believe that everything is a consequence of God. To those who don't believe in God, there is no train (Hell) and there are no tracks. Man would be a product of (what else) evolution. Anyway, the engineer of your train is you. You choose to run yourself down. According to Ken Nichols it is God who is in the driver's seat and not man. God is the engineer of this train called hell. He can put on the brakes at anytime he chooses. Notice how often we are reminded that God is in control of everything and yet when it comes to hell, man is saddled with the blame for "wanting it all along" in some obtuse fasion. The facts still remain. God created hell for the sole and express purpose of punishing all of those who did not follow his ways. Its as simple as that. You cannot project the blame on man simply to fulfill the preconceived definition of a holy God. - John