Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 (MC830713); site klipper.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!hplabs!hao!seismo!mcvax!vu44!botter!klipper!biep From: biep@klipper.UUCP (J. A. "Biep" Durieux) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: 'smear' campaign Message-ID: <386@klipper.UUCP> Date: Mon, 10-Dec-84 15:02:51 EST Article-I.D.: klipper.386 Posted: Mon Dec 10 15:02:51 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 13-Dec-84 01:42:19 EST References: <6166@mcvax.UUCP> <270@spp2.UUCP> <127@talcott.UUCP> <692@erix.UUCP> <146@talcott.UUCP> <6217@mcvax.UUCP> <173@talcott.UUCP> Reply-To: biep@klipper.UUCP Organization: VU Informatica, Amsterdam Lines: 61 In article <173@talcott.UUCP> gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg J Kuperberg) writes: >> In article <146@talcott.UUCP> gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg J Kuperberg) writes: >> > Remember, this is an American network that your posting to. >> No it's not. > >Ok, how many UUCP hosts are there? And how many of them are in the U.S.? >And where was UUCP started anyway? And where was Unix invented? And >the vax? And the silicon chip? And the telephone? And who invented the Latin alphabet? And the English language? And electri- city? And collaboration? And negative comments about the U.S.? Please don't be silly! >> > I have not seen one positive comment about the U.S. coming from Europe in >> > net.politics. [...] But if you really want to have a smear campaign, Mike, >> > Steven, Piet, and the rest of you, here goes: ... >> I think you may be getting paranoid. I don't remember making one criticism >> of the US in any posting. >> Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; steven@mcvax. > >Read Piet's stuff. (Piet's (in-)famous "black day" article) Read >the rest of Piet's articles, and read the other articles from Holland, the >articles from Sweden, the articles from Canada, etc. Oh, yes, of course! And "the" articles from America (I guess you mean Peru and Mexico) are all... Please, I generally do like the U.S., but when you are doing so terribly, narrow mindedly "American", I can't stand. Every summer there are buses full of "Americans", who want to "do Europe in ten days" (no, I'm serious), who stop somewhere, yell "VERY NICE!!", take pho- tographs, don't have any consideration for local community life, think they are "nice guys" because they give away chewing gum and cigarettes, and think there is a "Europe" like there are United States. I happen to know there are other U.S.ers than these, but these are the one one normally meets over here. (Yes, I did exaggerate, but only a little bit.) I generally disagree with Piet on what he says, and I even generally disagree with Piet on how he says it, but why should I be right and he be wrong? And if really the whole world is against the U.S., well, then the whole world must be wrong, isn't it? >If criticizing governments strikes your fancy, then may I call your >attention to extremely high death rate in Cambodia, the Cuban troops in >Ethiopia, or the French arms industry. Why should we criticize that on an "American" network? Does that have any effect? Or do you want us to criticize for the sake of criticizing? >But if you happen to be like Piet and others; if you don't care about all >of politics, or all the things that the U.S. does, but only care about the >bad things that the U.S. does; if you only want to be anti-American, then I >have great contempt for you. > Greg Kuperberg See above. -- Biep. {seismo|decvax|philabs}!mcvax!vu44!botter!klipper!biep I utterly disagree with everything you are saying, but I am prepared to fight to the death for your right to say it. --Voltaire