Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihu1e.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!ihu1e!we3bst From: we3bst@ihu1e.UUCP (Robert S. Yen) Newsgroups: net.sport.football Subject: Re: BYU and Oklahoma: Who's # 1 Message-ID: <350@ihu1e.UUCP> Date: Sun, 2-Dec-84 00:58:59 EST Article-I.D.: ihu1e.350 Posted: Sun Dec 2 00:58:59 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 4-Dec-84 04:42:55 EST References: <1506@sdcrdcf.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 74 < The Sooner D ain't afraid of no BYU... > Tony Martinez (sdcrdcf!tonym) sez: > I give my number # 1 vote to BYU. Allow me to give my reasoning. > ... > When a team loses badly to an unranked team, it is no longer in position > to claim a national championship, but only to quietly hope that any other > teams in the race will lose. That's funny, the week before the Sooners (OU) knocked off Nebraska, the people who vote in the AP poll decided to give Nebraska 37 first place votes (with a 9-1 record, the loss coming early against Syracuse) and Brigham Young only 11 votes (with a 10-0 record). Is there really any doubt as to who would have been the Nat'l. Champs. had Nebraska gone on to win the rest of their games??? And he goes on to say: > BYU's # 1 ranking is not just the result of this years record, (They were > 11 - 0 in 1979, and had beat a ranked team but were only ranked no. 11), > It is the result of a long series of winning seasons. Stop me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Nat'l. Championship supposed to go to the best team of THIS year??? If not, why don't we just take a look at the entire history of all the teams in the NCAA and come up with a new (maybe) champion each year based on the performances of the current year??? I think that OU and Nebraska would fare MUCH better than BYU in that (rather poor) method of evaluation. He then goes on to "compare" some common teams that OU and BYU have played. I think his method of "comparison" leaves something (non-bias) to be desired: > Missouri (Who shut out Oklahoma last year when BYU played them) Once again, what the H*LL does "last year" have to do with anything??? > Pitt (was #3 when BYU beat them) > Baylor (a common opponent: BYU 47 Baylor 13, OK 34 Baylor 15) Oh, I see. You post the score for the Baylor games, but leave them out for Pitt. That's certainly being objective... Let me state some additional facts: The BYU-Pitt game was BYU's second game and Pitt's first. The final score, I believe, was 20-14 and BYU won on a last-minute drive. Two weeks later (after Pitt had a week off to prepare for OU), the Sooners thrashed Pitt 42-10 at Pitt. Now, I'm just stating some more facts, I don't think you can really use EITHER of those sets of games as comparisons (least of all a 3-7-1 Pitt team). In fact, I think it rather funny that the one Top Twenty team that BYU can claim a victory over went on to have such a poor season... I'm not saying that I'm un-biased (I'm not, I'm a die-hard Sooner fan), but I don't think that a team deserves to be #1 by virtue of an undefeated season. In SOME cases, BYU WOULD get my vote (if Nebraska HAD gone on to win the rest of its games :-) ) No, seriously, if OU hadn't had such a convincing win against OSU, I'd be in doubt. Let's get REAL, BYU beat a "tough" 1-10 Utah St. 38-13 after leading by only 3 at the half! Let me ask the people who consider BYU #1 this question: Do you REALLY believe BYU would beat OU if they played this weekend? If your answer was "yes," I've got some nice land in Florida for sale..... --Robert S Yen AT&T Bell Labs Naperville, IL NOTE: Please send all replies to ...ihnp4!iwu1d!rsy, this is a group acc't. that I use for netnews access. Besides, I think my fellow workers who share this acc't. refuse to acknowledge that college football exists after the Fightin' Illini's poor performance in last year's Rose Bowl :-) Especially since they've already beaten OU twice in basketball this year.