Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site fisher.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!princeton!astrovax!fisher!djl From: djl@fisher.UUCP (Dan Levin N6BZA ) Newsgroups: net.micro,net.college Subject: Re: Free and undirected campus computing facilities - Not at Waterloo (medium long) Message-ID: <431@fisher.UUCP> Date: Fri, 30-Nov-84 04:53:47 EST Article-I.D.: fisher.431 Posted: Fri Nov 30 04:53:47 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 3-Dec-84 12:24:21 EST References: <457@utcsrgv.UUCP> <649@watdcsu.UUCP> Organization: Princeton Univ. Statistics Lines: 35 Xref: princeton net.micro:922 net.college:196 >Isn't everybody tired of hearing these students complain about being able to >get machine time? This discussion started off with the topic of *restrictions* on *use* of computers, not their general availability. While many schools have a basic lack of hardware, in many cases (apparently HMC is a good example), the problem is not lack of hardware, but over regulation of its use. >Little or none availible machine resources is the way most of the real world >is. If there are not enough comnputing resources around,us in the real world >also have to beg and plead with the boss ,board of governors,etc ... It seems >that these universities are trying finally teaching students something they >can use later in life. Here at Princeton, the UN*X resources of the campus as a whole include no less than 11 750's, 2 780's, 2 90x's, and ~15 SUN's. Yet, absolutely none of them are open to a random member of the student body. Some of the more enlightened professors work with undergrads on software projects, (the official FUN machine's Professor Honeyman for example) but the mere mention of an undergrad working to improve the software on one of the Computer Center's machines is enough to send the administration into fits. In the real world, if I can prove that I can contribute to a company, I might well get a chance to do so. Here, anyone who can prove they know UN*X well enough to make constructive criticism of the system administrators (all paid professionals at PUCC at least) is labled a dangerous security threat. -- ***dan {allegra,astrovax,princeton,twg}!fisher!djl The misplaced (What *are* those trees doing??) Californian