Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.6.2.17 $; site ea.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!mhuxn!houxm!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!ea!mwm From: mwm@ea.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: Comments on Libertarianism Message-ID: <22400051@ea.UUCP> Date: Sat, 1-Dec-84 03:08:00 EST Article-I.D.: ea.22400051 Posted: Sat Dec 1 03:08:00 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 4-Dec-84 09:08:18 EST References: <375@ptsfa.UUCP> Lines: 31 Nf-ID: #R:ptsfa:-37500:ea:22400051:000:1514 Nf-From: ea!mwm Dec 1 02:08:00 1984 /***** ea:net.politics / flairvax!baba / 7:18 am Nov 27, 1984 */ > ...People do not interact with the aggregate that forms society. > How then can they owe it a debt? Even more importantly, if they do > owe it a debt, how can government claim payment of that debt in > the name of the whole? > J. Bashinski > ...ucbvax!bashinsk%ucbcory Wow! What a neat trick! Let me try a different application. PG&E has had the audacity to present me with a bill for my utilities last month. Now, it may be true that I owe a debt to *some* PG&E employees, those who actually had a hand in delivering gas and electricity to me, and to *some* PG&E shareholders, those who actually paid for the resources that were used on my behalf, but I owe *nothing* to the aggregate of PG&E! Even more importantly, if I *do* owe it a debt, how can the collections department claim payment of that debt in the name of the whole? This is going to save me hundreds of dollars a year! Thanks, Baba /* ---------- */ Ok, I'll concede your point. If "society" will start sending me bills, I'll pay the things. Of course, I expect that they will give me the same option that OG&E did - to not buy from them, and do without there services. Of course, until they present me with a contract (like the one I signed with OG&E), you can tell the board (Society does have a board, doesn't it? After all, it looks like PG&E and OG&E?) to shove it.