Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site utah-cs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!utah-cs!brownc From: brownc@utah-cs.UUCP (Eric C. Brown) Newsgroups: net.college Subject: Where have all the hackers gone? Message-ID: <3138@utah-cs.UUCP> Date: Sat, 8-Dec-84 03:43:20 EST Article-I.D.: utah-cs.3138 Posted: Sat Dec 8 03:43:20 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 10-Dec-84 02:19:21 EST Organization: Univ of Utah CS Dept Lines: 41 Subject: Where have all the hackers gone? Newsgroups: net.college, net.cse The following is a message that I have forwarded for a friend of mine: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because of the popularity of computer science as a field of study as of late, many computer science departments have been forced to severely limit enrollment. Generally they do this by raising entrance requirements and by requiring new freshmen to take "weed out" courses designed to make computer science as unpleasant as possible. This ensures that only the fittest students will survive, the rest being exiled to other majors or other schools. There is only one disturbing fact: The fittest students aren't neccessarily the best programmers. Computer science departments around the country are systematically screening out the hackers. The department I belong has very few undergraduate hacker types. They are being replaced by normal looking, normal acting people who only want to make money. They do their assignments on time, and seldom write anything that they aren't either getting credit for, or being paid for. It's sickening. Where have the hackers gone? They must have gone somewhere. Does anyone know of a computer science department somewhere that has decent facilities but still allows undergraduates the oppertunity to work on their own prodjects. Is there anyplace out there that gives undergraduates access to uucp. I know that that is a lot to ask of a department, but the must be someplace, deep in the backwaters of computer sciencedom, laid back enough to give undergraduates the opportunity to really learn how to program. Steven (Harley) Davidson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Send Replies, Flames, and so forth to: ..!decvax!harpo!utah-cs!brownc and I will forward them. Eric C. Brown (the grumpy)