Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site teldata.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tikal!cholula!teldata!hoo From: hoo@teldata.UUCP Newsgroups: net.auto Subject: Re: Any old car lovers out there? Message-ID: <493@teldata.UUCP> Date: Thu, 29-Nov-84 11:21:03 EST Article-I.D.: teldata.493 Posted: Thu Nov 29 11:21:03 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 30-Nov-84 07:53:42 EST References: <2613@ihldt.UUCP> <1475@drutx.UUCP> Organization: Teltone Corp., Kirkland, WA Lines: 117 > <> > > I have read a multitude of articles on what the netters consider to > be true sports cars. I have noticed that most all of the opinions lean > towards new cars. I don't wish to imply that newer cars are not nice, > I have driven several and have been reasonably impressed with many of them, > but doesn't anyone talk or care about the older "special interest" cars > anymore (i.e. flat out accelleration type fun!). I traded my 1982 Mazda > RX7-GSL with 15000 miles, stored in the winter, pampered in the summer, > not driven in the rain, etc., for a supercharged > 1966 Shelby GT350, and, though the RX-7 > was a very nice car, I don't miss it when I look in the garage and see the > Shelby sitting there. I miss it even less when I take it out on > a sunny day and blow the doors off of anything I come up against. This > has lead to more than one roadside chat with the driver of the > newer competition, and it has always been an enjoyable experience. > For all the time I drove the RX-7, although it was a nice car, I > never got to have a conversation with anyone about cars, driving, etc. > Something else that makes me miss the RX-7 less and less is the fact that > although I got top dollar for the car when I sold it (11K), I still lost money > over the 2 1/2 years I owned the car. The Shelby is worth at least as much > now as it was when I bought it (i.e. I didn't pay > a penalty of a couple of thousand > dollars just for driving the car off the new car lot) > and the value will go up in time, not down. I have > owned a few new cars in the past and have ALWAYS lost money. Yes, I could > have pampered them for 20 years and got my investment back, but it doesn't > seem reasonable when there is an easier way. Doesn't anyone else > feel this way? How about some real (honest) stories about older > special interest cars on the net. I, for one, would enjoy a change > of pace. It would be interesting to see what kind of rare and special > automobiles exist out there! > Mark Longo (drutx!mrl) > AT&T ISL, Denver *I posted an article a while back that listed the 50 Fastest "Muscle Cars" to see if there was anyone out there who was interested....however since I didn't see any responses, I suspect that the article never made it out. So, I'll re-issue again ( with apologies if everyone's seen it). Mark, how about some more info on your Shelby? Here's some information that maybe of interest to all you "Muscle Car" enthusiats out there...This table is derived from an article entitled "The 50 Fastest Musclecars" in the Nov 1984 issue of CAR REVIEW magazine. If there is enought response and interest, I may post the entire article later. THE 50 FASTEST Number Car year/make e.t./mph engine trans weight source ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1 1966 427 Cobra 12.20/118 427 8V 4-spd 2529 CD11/65 2 1966 427 Corvette 12.80/112 427 4V 4-spd 3160 CD11/65 3 1970 BUICK GS STAGE 1 13.38/105.5 455 4V auto 3810 MT 1/70 4 1968 427 Corvette 13.41/109.5 427 6V* 4-spd 3285 CL 6/68 5 1968 Hemi Charger 13.50/105 426 8V auto 4035 CD11/67 6 1969 Hemi Road Runner 13.54/105.1 426 8V auto 3938 CD 1/69 7 1969 Hemi Charger 500 13.68/104.8 426 8V 4-spd 4025 CL 4/69 8 1971 Hemi Super Bee 13.73/104 426 8V auto 4083 MT12/70 9 1970 Hemi 'Cuda ?13.70/101.2 426 8V auto na MT 9/69 10 1965 Catalina 2+2 13.80/106 421 6V 4-spd 4155 CD 3/65 11 1969 Super Bee Six Pack 13.80/104.2 440 6V auto 3845 CL 7/69 12 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 13.80/104 351 4V 4-spd 3452 MT 1/71 13 1968 Royal Bobcat GTO 13.80/104 428 4V auto 3784 CD 2/68 14 1966 Hemi Satellite 13.80/104 426 8V 4-spd 3954 CD 4/66 15 1970 SS454 Chevelle 13.81/103.8 454 4V auto 3885 CD 2/70 16 1969 Cyclone CJ 13.86/101.7 428 4V auto 3880 MT 1/69 17 1962 Catalina 13.90/107 421 4V 4-spd 4070 MT 5/62 18 1969 Mach 1 Mustang CJ 13.90/103.3 428 4V auto 3420 CL 3/69 19 1970 Torino Cobra 13.99/101 429 4V 4-spd 3586 MT 2/70 20 1970 Hemi Challenger 14.00/104 426 8V auto 3880 RT 6/70 21 1966 Shelby GT-350S 14.00/102 289 4V**auto 2950 MT 8/66 22 1962 Corvette 14.00/100 327 4V 4-spd 3080 CL 5/62 23 1964 289 Cobra 14.00/98 289 4V 4-spd 2206 CL 8/64 24 1968 Hemi GTX 14.00/96.5 426 8V auto 3950 CL 2/68 25 1968 'Cuda 440 14.01/103.8 440 4V auto 3405 CL 6/69 26 1961 Impala SS 14.02/98.1 409 4V 4-spd 3736 MT 27 1969 Torino Cobra 14.04/100.6 428 4V auto 3890 CD 1/69 28 1969 Super Bee 14.04/99.5 383 4V auto 3765 CD 1/69 29 1966 GTO 14.05/105.1 389 6V 4-spd 3620 CD 3/66 30 1969 Boss 429 Mustang 14.09/102.9 429 4V 4-spd 3560 CL 6/69 31 1967 GTO 14.09/101 400 4V 4-spd 3445 MT 1/67 32 1965 Corvette 14.10/104 396 4V 4-spd 3260 CL 8/65 33 1969 Grand Prix SJ 14.10/95.3 428 4V auto 4180 CL 2/69 34 1972 454 Corvette 14.10/93 454 4V auto 3725 MT 1/72 35 1969 SC/Rambler 14.14/100.9 390 4V 4-spd 3160 RT ?/69 36 1970 LT-1 Corvette 14.17/102.2 350 4V 4-spd 3710 CL 8/70 37 1970 442 Olds 14.20/102.1 455 4V 4-spd 3887 RT 3/70 38 1967 Dana Camaro 14.20/102 427 4V 4-spd 3368 CL 4/67 39 1970 Z/28 Camaro 14.20/100.3 350 4V auto 3640 CD 5/70 40 1968 Firebird 400 HO 14.20/100.3 400 4V auto 3550 CD 3/68 41 1964 Corvette 14.20/100 327FI***4-spd 3180 MT 9/64 42 1962 Corvette 14.20/99 283 4V 4-spd 3040 CL 9/61 43 1970 SuperBird 14.26/103.7 440 4V na 3841 RT 4/70 44 1967 Fairlane GTA 14.26/99 390 4V auto 3640 CD 3/66 45 1969 Road Runner 14.35/101.6 383 4V 4-spd 3630 MT 2/69 46 1970 Duster 340 14.39/97.2 340 4V 4-spd 3368 CD 2/70 47 1962 Dodge Ramcharger 14.40/101 413 8V auto 3440 MT 8/62 48 1970 'Cuda Six Pack 14.40/100 440 6V 4-spd 3720 MT 5/70 49 1967 Firebird 400 14.40/100 400 4V 4-spd 3598 CD 3/67 50 1971 GTX 14.40/98.7 440 4V auto 3852 RT12/70 * Aluminum Heads ** Paxton Supercharged *** Fuel Injected MT=Motor Trend CD=Car & Driver CL=Car Life RT=Road & Track [ Information is taken from table in article "The 50 Fastest Musclecars" ] from Nov 1984 issue of CAR REVIEW Magazine. "There is no substitute for CUBIC INCHES..." Jim Hoo Teltone Corporation, Kirkland, Wa. => !uw-beaver!teltone!hoo (By the way, I own one of those.... "3rd Fastest".)