Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site sjuvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!sjuvax!jss From: jss@sjuvax.UUCP (Jonathan Shapiro) Newsgroups: net.micro.16k Subject: Re: 32016 bug summary wanted... Message-ID: <727@sjuvax.UUCP> Date: Sun, 9-Dec-84 19:29:35 EST Article-I.D.: sjuvax.727 Posted: Sun Dec 9 19:29:35 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 11-Dec-84 03:26:53 EST References: <><255@oakhill.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Saint Josephs Univ. Phila., Pa. Lines: 37 [Aren't you hungry...?] Now, now, gentlemen, before we get real flames going, I spoke to Richard Mateosian about his comments, and let me back up what he said. His interpretation of my complaint was that my information had come from competitors and some dissatisfied customers who have been particularly nasty about false rumors. If competitors had fed me bad stories, I would agree with him. The fact is that they didn't. Dissatisfied customers, on the other hand, speak for themselves and are right to do so. My information had come from the net and from several almost but not quite satisfied National customers. Why there are unsatisfied National customers is subject to comment, but I will refrain. On the other hand, it seems to me that Motorola and National wasting my cpu cycles and phone bills pointing fingers at each other and saying "You are telling lies about me" is as bad as the misinformation that has come out in the first place. That stuff should have been left in kindergarden. If I had seriously considered using a 68000 series chip I would have made sure I got the information from Motorola, not from National. Other folks out there are at least as smart as I am and have the benefit of greater experience. Unfortunately, Motorola won't do much of anything by way of samples or availability commitments for anyone smaller than IBM. I haven't seen any 68020 samples... It seems to me that National is for the moment the way to go. Its a shame, really, because they are both potentially elegant chips, and if Motorola actually had silicon for the 68020 I would do a design with it if only because the 68000 did so well. As to availability and samples, it would be worth their while. You never know who is going to design the next Machine. Jon Shapiro