Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 (Tek) 9/28/84 based on 9/17/84; site hercules.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!hplabs!hpda!fortune!amdcad!amd!dual!zehntel!tektronix!teklds!hercules!franka From: franka@hercules.UUCP (Frank Adrian) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: Obituary Message-ID: <343@hercules.UUCP> Date: Thu, 6-Dec-84 14:36:33 EST Article-I.D.: hercules.343 Posted: Thu Dec 6 14:36:33 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 9-Dec-84 06:20:34 EST References: <658@sjuvax.UUCP> <22400050@ea.UUCP> Reply-To: franka@hercules.UUCP (Frank Adrian) Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton OR Lines: 28 In article <22400050@ea.UUCP> mwm@ea.UUCP writes: >I have a confession to make. Every time somebody on the left pokes at the >Nazis (and it's always the left, never the right. Wonder if that means >anything?), I put up that facade. The invariable reaction is "they did bad >things, and everybody admits it, so they can't be one of us." The reason >is, I want to know how to recognize a socialist state *from the outside*. >I'll concede that the Nazis and the Soviets are socialist. So how do I >tell if a state is socialist? > >The current offering is: "Socialists believe in state control of the means >of production." Sounds like *any* totalitarian state would qualify, >including the Soviets and the Nazis. Care to try again? > Socialists believe in state ownership in the name of the people. Facists be- lieve in state ownership as a means of protecting property for those who run the government. "Remember, wherever you happen to be -- you're already there" Frank Adrian ___ /- -\ \ - / uucp: {decvax,pur-ee,cbosg,ihnss}!tektronix!teklds!franka CSnet: franka@tek ARPAnet: franka.tek@rand-relay