Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-k Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!houxm!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:Pucc-I:Pucc-K:agz From: agz@pucc-k (Andrew Banta) Newsgroups: net.college,net.flame Subject: Re: "Universities need not verify draft status of students . . ." Message-ID: <702@pucc-k> Date: Tue, 11-Dec-84 15:09:41 EST Article-I.D.: pucc-k.702 Posted: Tue Dec 11 15:09:41 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 13-Dec-84 05:28:51 EST References: <577@pucc-k> <147@panda.UUCP> <247@ssc-vax.UUCP> <371@amdcad.UUCP> <4762@fortune.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Dept. of Mental Instability, Purdue University Lines: 59 Xref: watmath net.college:497 net.flame:7211 [] From: polard@fortune.UUCP (Henry Polard) >In article <371@amdcad.UUCP> phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) writes: >>> that women >>> would be raped if they became POWs (whereas, we all know that male POWs >>> play bridge and drink Kahlua & cream while in captivity). >>> -- Mark A. >>> ...uw-beaver!ssc-vax!adolph >> >>Yeah, I know a woman who claims to be a feminist but doesn't want to >>get drafted for the above reason. >>I find it impossible to take her seriously. Can you say "rights without >>responsibilities"? Sure you can. > > How many MEN do you know who want to get drafted (as opposed to volunteering)? > Do you know any MEN who would enjoy being a prisoner of war? > I suspect that her opinion agrees with that of most men. > If you can't take her seriously, that's your problem. > You can probably say, "Thinking before writing", but > can you do it? > Henry Polard (You bring the flames - I'll bring the marshmallows.) Let me get my mind together here ... ... ... It's beginning to look close now ... ... there, I think we have it Now look! I'm not a big fan of the draft. In fact I probably wouldn7t be registered if someone didn't threaten to yank my loans, but that isn't what we're arguing about. What we are arguing about is whether women should have to participate in some of the more "unpleasant" things men have to take part in. Before you go wild and say "but there is no draft now!", just figure I'm saying (hypothetically) that there is. It comes down to a question of whether women want equal rights. I'm not talking about the (now deceased) ERA. I'm talking about rights, and the responsibilities that come with them. If you want them, and you can get the proper sized majority on your side, fine you'll have your rights. I would expect that with this, you'll also end up having to be in the drafted, and possibly drafted. It comes with the territory. If this isn't what you want (and before I say this, I better specify that "you" is not directly only at women or at all women) SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP! Sorry, but you can't get all benefits and no responsibility in this world. Now, we move on: So the POW camps are going to be rough, eh? I can see that women would worry about getting raped, and with good reason. But the camps that this would take place in are probably the same ones that are going to keep people in cubicles with no light and a minimum of food, beat people to a bloody pulp for no good reason, and other "unpleasant things". Sorry, those are the breaks. I would say it looks a lot like "rights without responsibilty" if we are going to fight for equal rights "with the minor exception of ... " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andy Banta {decvax!allegra!ihnp4}!pur-ee!pucc-k!agz Dept. of Mental Instability, Purdue University --- "I'm OK, You're a CS Major" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------