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From: djl@fisher.UUCP (Dan Levin  N6BZA )
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Subject: Re: Free and undirected campus computing facilities - Not at Waterloo (medium long)
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Date: Fri, 30-Nov-84 04:53:47 EST
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Posted: Fri Nov 30 04:53:47 1984
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>Isn't everybody tired of hearing these students complain about being able to
>get machine time?

This discussion started off with the topic of *restrictions* on *use*
of computers, not their general availability.  While many schools
have a basic lack of hardware, in many cases (apparently HMC is a good
example), the problem is not lack of hardware, but over regulation
of its use.

>Little or none availible machine resources is the way most of the real world
>is. If there are not enough comnputing resources around,us in the real world
>also have to beg and plead with the boss ,board of governors,etc ... It seems
>that these universities are trying finally teaching students something they
>can use later in life.

Here at Princeton, the UN*X resources of the campus as a whole include
no less than 11 750's, 2 780's, 2 90x's, and ~15 SUN's.  Yet,
absolutely none of them are open to a random member of the student
body.  Some of the more enlightened professors work with undergrads on
software projects, (the official FUN machine's Professor Honeyman for
example) but the mere mention of an undergrad working to improve the
software on one of the Computer Center's machines is enough to send the
administration into fits.

In the real world, if I can prove that I can contribute to a company, I
might well get a chance to do so.  Here, anyone who can prove they know
UN*X well enough to make constructive criticism of the system
administrators (all paid professionals at PUCC at least) is labled a
dangerous security threat.

-- 
			***dan

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