Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/3/84; site talcott.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!godot!harvard!wjh12!talcott!gjk From: gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg J Kuperberg) Newsgroups: net.legal,net.politics Subject: Re: Re: Re: Laws Nobody Obeys ARE NEEDED Message-ID: <160@talcott.UUCP> Date: Mon, 3-Dec-84 20:16:38 EST Article-I.D.: talcott.160 Posted: Mon Dec 3 20:16:38 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 8-Dec-84 05:23:06 EST References: <1269@eosp1.UUCP> <1013@cca.UUCP> talcott.143 <293@mb2c.UUCP> Organization: Harvard Lines: 42 Xref: watmath net.legal:1104 net.politics:6139 > I don't know how Hitler and the Jews made it to this category, > but I am foolish enough to respond anyway. > > I believe that the genocide of the Jews in Europe is more publicized > than other cases. I see that someone (Greg Kuperberg) only thinks > that the Japanese only murdered 500,000 POWs. Maybe he is right. > However, I think that the 5 million Chinese should be included, too. > > Consider, Idi Amin killed at least 1 million > Joe Stalin " " " 20 " > Mao Tse Tsung " " " 25 " > > So, based on scale, Hitler is not the worst. Even on percentages > I don't think he would win this dubious distinction. Here in the > US, almost 100,000 (estimated) were killed in our Revolutionary War. > Quite astounding for the total overall population. > > Mark > Reina No, no, I didn't say that Hitler killed 10 million people, I said that he sent 10 million people (rough estimate. I am counting 6 million Jews plus several million Slavs, Catholics, Communists, etc.) to the death camps. If you want to count all war deaths, well, Poland alone lost 12 million, the Soviet Union 20 million (although some of those were with Stalin's help), and various other millions in European countries. Note that Poland had about 40 million people to start with... Now, the Japs may have shot, bombed, etc., quite a few people, but among the P.O.W.'s that they actually captured, I doubt that it exceeds 500,000. In any case, pushing around figures too much distances one from Real Life. Here is Real Life: Among the descendants of my father's four grandparents, two-thirds were sent to Auschwitz or Treblinka. Of course, there are no records, but this is probable. --- Greg Kuperberg harvard!talcott!gjk "Madam, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -Leonid Breshnev, speaking to Margaret Thatcher.