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Subject: Re: Re: Obituary
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Date: Sat, 1-Dec-84 02:45:00 EST
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/***** ea:net.politics / ihuxq!ken / 11:41 pm  Nov 26, 1984 */
Sigh, indeed.  I've been through this rather often myself.  Yes,
they *called* themselves "socialist", but that doesn't mean they were.
Are the "Scientific Creationists" scientific because they say so?
Socialists believe in state control of the means of production.
The Nazis never believed this, and of course, not only left the
capitalists' empires untouched, but even provided them slave labor.
It was rich industrialists like Fritz Thissen and I.G. Farben who
bankrolled the Nazi party through its leaner years.  Some of
them have been doing uninterrupted "business as usual" even up to
this day.
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Wait a minute. IG Farben (et. al.) bankrolled the Nazis, and in return the
Nazis let them decide what to do with the (state-run) production
facilities.  They even force people to work in them. Sounds typical of
where socialism will wind up unless everybody agrees with everybody else.

I have a confession to make. Every time somebody on the left pokes at the
Nazis (and it's always the left, never the right. Wonder if that means
anything?), I put up that facade. The invariable reaction is "they did bad
things, and everybody admits it, so they can't be one of us." The reason
is, I want to know how to recognize a socialist state *from the outside*.
I'll concede that the Nazis and the Soviets are socialist.  So how do I
tell if a state is socialist?

The current offering is: "Socialists believe in state control of the means
of production." Sounds like *any* totalitarian state would qualify,
including the Soviets and the Nazis. Care to try again?

	"You may be right, I may be crazy.
	But I'm just the lunatic you're looking for."