Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-k Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:Pucc-I:Pucc-K:agz From: agz@pucc-k (Andrew Banta) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Once again on religius tolerance and the like Message-ID: <630@pucc-k> Date: Tue, 27-Nov-84 08:42:17 EST Article-I.D.: pucc-k.630 Posted: Tue Nov 27 08:42:17 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 29-Nov-84 02:36:14 EST Organization: Dept. of Mental Instability, Purdue University Lines: 89 [Why do we continually add these stupid little lines?] I've noticed a fair amount about religious intolerance on this net lately, and something I saw last week which really irked me seemed as though it'd be relevant. Walking thru the (pretty much) central building on campus here, I stopped off at a table along the hall that was trying to raise money for the construction being done on the Statue of Liberty. i stopped and talked to these folks for a while, and noticed that there was a table next to it that had literature on the Islamic religion. There was a person (who I know slightly and will get to later) standing there trying to prove to these people they were wrong for being Islamic and paging thru the literature picking it apart, item by item. The two people at the table (who i would guess have not lived in the US all their lives) seemed to be somewhat annoyed, but didn't really push him too much to leave. Now, these two people weren7t looking for a mojor debate on religions, but simply wanted to hand out this literature, and I assume give the Islamic community here at Purdue information on where meetings and the like were held. I fail to see why, when some "other" non-Christian religion tries to hand out information on themselves for members and non-members of their own faith, they immediately are swarmed upon by people telling them why they are wrong. there is some organization (I don't remember which one) who has a showcase in the same building that takes some pretty healthy cuts at the Mormons. I haven't seen or heard of any big uproar about that, but I would ventrue a guess that if it was the Mormons using the same tactics against "other" Christian sects, this place would be humming with complaints,letters to the editor, and possibly a broken showcase (if these three can be related in this sense). Christianity seems to think (truthfully, to a certain extent) that it has immunity in this country, that in this country, it is irrefutably right. Why? I know those two lines are set up perfectly for some fundamentalist to pull out (out of context) and say "Because it is!" The problem is that, while it may be right for you, what is right for you is not necessarily right for everyone else on this earth. This brings me up to these points. Why do you feel that you have a obligation to tell me I'm wrong, and continue to tell me I'm wrong until I "break" and agree with you? Sorry, it ain't gonna happen. I won't even agree with you just to get rid of you. This person I saw at the table pestering the Islamics and I had had a run in last semester. I was calmly sitting on the front steps of my apartment drinking a beer (oh no, not that!) when he wandered up and handed me a little brochure on why I should believe in Christ. (Just in case you were wondering, my front steps are right next to a major road/sidewalk, so he wasn't really goin out of his way.) I flipped thru it and set it down on the steps, and went back to minding my own business. Well, this person obviously wasn't happy that I hadn't read the entire thing, all the way thru, word by word. He began to ask me questions about what I believed, whether I had read the Bible, whether I went to church every week, etc, etc, etc. I didn't have any obligation to answer him, but answered a few of his questions anyway. Upon getting my answers, he immediately layed into me for not giving the answer he wanted. It got to the point where I would say something, and for lack of anything better, he'd quote me a Bible verse that was only slightly related to what we were talking about. I began pointing this out to him, and he immediately told me that I didn't know what I was talking about. At that point, I got up, and went in toget something more to drink and put on some more music (which was playing out the window (not at obnoxious levels, either)). When I came out was immediately lambasted for being a "drunkard" and was surely going to hell for listening to "evil rock-n-roll music" (I never thought Pink Floyd was that evil :-). This kind of thing continued for quite some time, until it began to start raining. It really bothered me that this guy wouldn't leave me alone on myown front steps, but when it started to rain, he asked if he could come in and we could continue to talk. I hadn't really considered thai a talk, but rather him insulting me in the name of some God, and me arguing with him that any God thathad any sense would use that type of technique to get someone to believe him. Anyway, I could probably go on with things likethis I have seen, but I'm simply laying out the questions why do people feel that because they are "Christians", the havea right to attack other faiths or lack of faiths, but it is unthinkable to atack Christianity in this country? Why do people think that it is ok to harrass someone because they don't believe the same things these people do? Whyc an't I relax on my porch without having someone rub "I'm a Christiain, you're not. I'm right, you're not."? Why is there so much intolerance of non-Christians by "Christians" in this country? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andy Banta {decvax!allegra!ihnp4}!pur-ee!pucc-k!agz Dept. of Mental Instability, Purdue University --- "I'm OK, You're a CS Major" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------