Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: Education of creationists' child Message-ID: <1268@dciem.UUCP> Date: Tue, 11-Dec-84 18:01:47 EST Article-I.D.: dciem.1268 Posted: Tue Dec 11 18:01:47 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 11-Dec-84 20:15:55 EST References: <1236@dciem.UUCP>Reply-To: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Organization: D.C.I.E.M., Toronto, Canada Lines: 51 Summary: > > Martin Taylor writes: > >(a) I NEVER suggested that creationists didn't want their children > >to learn about evolution, so I suggest that Miller is perhaps using > >the same standards of truth in argument that he uses in his newsletters > >in net.origin > > Zat right? Well, golly, I just happened to have saved the following from > net.origins, posted by one Martin Taylor: > > >I originally suggested that the right to determine their children's > >education might be taken from creationists > > ... > >The crimes that are committed in the name of religion are many, but > >among the worst must be included refusing a child the nutrition it > >requires for mental growth. Would you leave a child with parents > >who starve it for food? No? Why then would you leave it with parents > >who starve it for mental food? Malnutrition of the brain has the same > >general effects in both cases. > > Gee, Martin, I don't know how else to take what you wrote than to falsely > claim creationists don't want their children to learn about evolution. > So, yes, I do use the same standard of truth, one which is correct. Now I > suppose I could have misunderstood you. If so, perhaps you will be so kind > as to interpret said nonsense on "refusing a child the nutrition" and > "malnutrition of the brain"? I have replied to Miller by mail as follows: (1) Re-read your own quote. (2) I retracted "creationists" and substituted "fundamentalists" in response to your first flame. In fact, I think "fundamentalists" is more correct, although there is some overlap between the two groups. (3) My original posting, from which you extracted the selection, dealt with the teaching of basic science, and as far as I remember did not even mention evolution (though I may be wrong on that; it certainly wasn't in connection with the mental deprivation part of the posting.) (4) What has this argument got to do with whether creation or evolution better fits the facts of the world? That's what belongs in net.origins, not the political questions of who gets what kind of education. ====== The net deserves better. -- Martin Taylor {allegra,linus,ihnp4,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt {uw-beaver,qucis,watmath}!utcsrgv!dciem!mmt