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From: jaap@haring.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Obituary - Nazi's
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Date: Fri, 30-Nov-84 01:59:08 EST
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Posted: Fri Nov 30 01:59:08 1984
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>> Sigh. How many times does it have to be said. The Nazis (National
>> Socialists) were *left* wing radicals. It says so right there on the
>> label.

>Sigh, indeed.  I've been through this rather often myself.  Yes,
>they *called* themselves "socialist", but that doesn't mean they were.
>Are the "Scientific Creationists" scientific because they say so?
>Socialists believe in state control of the means of production.

The label `National Socialism' is of course a contradiction in terms.
Socialists beleive apart from control of the workers about the means
of production, also in solidarity between workers of all nations.

Now I'm at it, what does `left' mean in general. In the Netherlands it
used to be a generic term for every party not supporting the ruling
administration,; left because they where seated left of the table of
the governement in the parliament. So whenever there was a principal
change in the administration, people shifted around. Currently it is
most used as in the next picture:

	progressive <-> midldle of the road <-> conservative
	    ||                   ||                 ||
	   left                centre              right

In general it is very poor practice to speak about `right' or `left',
especially since a group advertising themselves as `leftish' can have
very conservative ideas.

	jaap akkerhuis (mcvax!jaap) CWI Amsterdam