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From: haapanen@watdcsu.UUCP (Tom Haapanen [DCS])
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Subject: Re: U.S. Congress Voted for Complete Irish Independence
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Date: Thu, 13-Dec-84 02:50:08 EST
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Posted: Thu Dec 13 02:50:08 1984
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> From: jmm@bonnie.UUCP (Joe Mcghee)
> Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics,net.legal,net.nlang.celts

Joe, I just love the way you see the world.  The Usenet is your
playground, and...  Some of the more civilized of us (the kind who
don't firebomb innocent women and children) don't post the same article
to fifteen bezillion (ok, fine, make it four) newsgroups.  What the hell
does this have to do with the Celtic languages?  Please!  I suppose
next you'll be putting a copy in net.abortion and net.rec.coins too.

> 	Upon America's entry into World War I, the war that was supposedly
> fought to secure the rights and freedoms of small nations, ...

And then WWII was fought to secure the rights and freedoms of big
nations (seriously!  Take a look at what happened).

> To declare the liberation of Ireland one of the purposes of the present war.

This does seem sort of silly, since Ireland was under British rule
(unless my history is REALLY screwed up), and the U.S. was on the side
of the BRITISH in the war.  But has anybody ever said governments have
to make sense?

> Resolved, that THE LIBERATION OF IRELAND MEANS THE COMPLETE SEPARATION OF THE
> ISLAND OF THAT NAME, TOGETHER WITH SUCH SMALL ISLANDS AS ARE NOW ADMINISTERED
> AS PART OF IT, FROM ALL INVOLUNTARY AND SUBORDINATE POLITICAL CONNECTION WITH
> ANY OTHER NATION AND THE COMPLETE FREEDOM OF THE ADULT INHABITANTS TO DECIDE
> BY FULL AND FAIR VOTE UPON THEIR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE COMPLETE FREEDOM
> OF SUCH GOVERNMENT, AS THEY MAY ERECT TO DETERMINE ITS RELATIONS WITH OTHER
> NATIONS AND TO EXERCISE ALL THE FUNCTIONS OF AN INDEPENDENT NATION ...

Well, it's getting a bit legalesish here (not to mention uppercase (!))
but I guess what they mean is self-determination.  Well, Ireland
definitely has it, and a majority of the Northern Irish also want to
stay with the Brits.

> ... but the United States shall not
> attempt to mold the course of the Irish nation and shall assume no
> responsibility for the new government to be erected in Ireland ...

Whew!  Off that hook, anyway!

> ... upon the adoption of a constitution by the people of Ireland,
> if said constitution shall erect a republican government, the Secretary of the
> Treasury is hereby authorized to purchase bonds of the Irish Government

But no Democrats, God forbid!

> 					J. M. McGhee

By gads, Joe, three articles in two days is getting a bit much.  Even
if you are into sadism (just like the boys in the IRA) most of us on
the net are not into masochism.  Even my 'n' finger (which happens to
be the same one used for the entire right-hand side of the keyboard)
is getting tired of your articles.  Not to mention those of us who
have limited disk space on their machines and really dont't need 4x3=12
copies of your articles decomposing on our disks and infesting the disk
heads and the like.  Unfortunately, I believe you don't even read news
so you won't even read this, you slime, since I have NEVER seen you
dare print a rebuttal to a flame on the net, **NEVER**.

We all know that a pen is mightier than a sword, but Joe, is a firebomb 
really mightier than a keyboard?  BE A MAN AND REPLY!  I'm getting
sick and tired of you whining about the horrid conditions in Northern
Ireland, when your chums are just making things worse by killing off
anybody non-Catholic who they can get in their gun sights.  Terrorism
is goddamn terrorism (and I mean GOD DAMN terrorism) no matter how you
dress it.  And the thing that REALLY makes me puke is not those idiots
over there, but the wimps here in  Horth America who think the IRA and
Sinn Fein are the greatest thing since sliced potatoes, and keep
sending them more money for Molotov cocktails and sniper rifles.  The
next thing you know, they'll be joining the nuclear club (oh, we'll
bomb Brighton first --- hell, they're all Protestants there anyway)
and the Irish Americans will applaud until their hands get sore.  Just
the thing we need to complement Monsieur Reagan...

So flame me, Joe, or get off the net!


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