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From: gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg J Kuperberg)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Re: 'smear' campaign
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Date: Thu, 6-Dec-84 17:49:47 EST
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Posted: Thu Dec  6 17:49:47 1984
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> In article <146@talcott.UUCP> gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg J Kuperberg) writes:
> > Remember, this is an American network that your posting to.
> No it's not.

Ok, how many UUCP hosts are there?  And how many of them are in the U.S.?
And where was UUCP started anyway?  And where was Unix invented?  And
the vax?  And the silicon chip?  And the telephone?

> > I have not seen one positive comment about the U.S. coming from Europe in
> > net.politics. [...] But if you really want to have a smear campaign, Mike,
> > Steven, Piet, and the rest of you, here goes: ...
> I think you may be getting paranoid. I don't remember making one criticism
> of the US in any posting. Maybe I'm wrong and I'd be pleased to be corrected
> if I am. The only criticism I've made that could be construed like that is
> of US missiles in Europe which I blame on European governments as well as
> the US government.
> 
> Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; steven@mcvax.

Read Piet's stuff.  Better yet, I'll show it to you here:

><...>
>
>America, this is one more black day in your history. There's nothing you
>have to be proud of.
>
>-- 
> 	Piet Beertema, CWI, Amsterdam
>	...{seismo,decvax,philabs}!mcvax!piet

This criticism is so constructive that it almost makes me throw up.  Read
the rest of Piet's articles, and read the other articles from Holland, the
articles from Sweden, the articles from Canada, etc.  The majority are
rantings about Nicaragua, El Salvador, or nukes, and most are about Reagan.
Well, if you know anything about the U.S. government, you'll know about
this system of *checks and balances*, by which the President does not have
complete power within the government.  And if you read up on current
affairs, you'll know that the U.S. does a hell of a lot more than plant
nukes and pay contras.  Like sell grain to the rest of the world, for
example.

If criticizing governments strikes your fancy, then may I call your
attention to extremely high death rate in Cambodia, the Cuban troops in
Ethiopia, or the French arms industry.

But if you happen to be like Piet and others; if you don't care about all
of politics, or all the things that the U.S. does, but only care about the
bad things that the U.S. does; if you only want to be anti-American, then I
have great contempt for you.
---
			Greg Kuperberg
		     harvard!talcott!gjk

"Madam, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the
question whether the white race will survive."  -Leonid Breshnev, speaking
to Margaret Thatcher.