Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site cybvax0.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh From: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.flame Subject: Re: Kulawiec on Sargent on speaking in tongues Message-ID: <252@cybvax0.UUCP> Date: Tue, 4-Dec-84 09:38:39 EST Article-I.D.: cybvax0.252 Posted: Tue Dec 4 09:38:39 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 8-Dec-84 04:39:29 EST References: <231@pyuxd.UUCP> <1469@pucc-h> <184@stat-l> <1489@pucc-h> <191@stat-l> <1503@pucc-h> <198@stat-l> <1525@pucc-h> Reply-To: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) Organization: Cybermation, Inc., Cambridge, MA Lines: 29 Xref: watmath net.religion:4957 net.flame:7119 Summary: In article <1525@pucc-h> Jeff Sargent writes: > Yes, I do believe. Belief surpasses knowledge... Yes, I agree with you that your belief surpasses your knowledge. (Using the definition "exceeds" for surpasses. :-) But you want to use the definition "transcending the reach, capacity, or powers of". You're welcome to use that as an assumption, but you can't trick us into that foolishness. > Speaking in tongues happens. That's a fact, regardless of the world view > with which you interpret it... Here again, we "agree". People of MANY religions speak in tongues, and ascribe the power to their own gods, spirits, or whatever. Since they all can't be correct, it must be rather easy to "speak in tongues" without any supernatural help. Thus, you must prove a case of speaking in tongues is supernatural, rather than use it as evidence for the supernatural. > When we start talking > about God, things don't always work according to humanity's standards of > proof or logic. (Both Testaments are full of examples.) Yes, when you start talking about god, what you say doesn't work according to standards of proof or logic. :-) However that argument can be used to support ANY statement about ANY religion about ANY god(s). This is a classic example of the fallacy of argument called special pleading. If you need help understanding fallacies of argument, I'll be happy to provide it. -- Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh