Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.6.2.17 $; site sneaky.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!cbosgd!mhuxj!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!sneaky!gordon From: gordon@sneaky.UUCP Newsgroups: net.news Subject: Re: getting rid of Orphaned Response Message-ID: <-1025373@sneaky.UUCP> Date: Thu, 25-Oct-84 07:08:00 EST Article-I.D.: sneaky.-1025373 Posted: Thu Oct 25 07:08:00 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 29-Oct-84 02:14:02 EST References: <427@amd.UUCP> Lines: 67 Nf-ID: #R:amd:-42700:sneaky:-1025373:000:3919 Nf-From: sneaky!gordon Oct 25 01:08:00 1984 > Now, I just wanted to address the problem of orphaned responses. I see > no problem with eliminating these titles. When an "orphaned" response > comes in, notesfiles generates a "fake" basenote for it to be a response > of (at least, this was my understanding back then). Therefore, it should > be possible to create a "fake" basenote, with a "proper" title. Have you got a program that takes the text (note: NO HEADERS) of a response, who originated it, when it was posted, what group it's in, and a notes id number of the base note, which is NOT available for reference, and generates a title? The transmission of a response does NOT include a title. If it did, the problem would never have appeared in the first place. I'd be interested in seeing a program that assigns titles. It might even do a better job than the humans and AI projects do giving titles to their own articles. Or is it your suggestion that "Re: Orphaned Response" simply be changed to "Re: 'Proper' Title"? How about a Random Title Generator? I can think of a few degenerate cases where you could generate a reasonably appropriate title. In net.general, ALL titles should be of the form "Inappropriate posting from kremvax!kgb", since I have yet to see anything of truly general interest in net.general. Most of Mark Horton's stuff comes close, but it still doesn't fit. I can't even think of anything that IS of general interest to such a varied audience. No, not even "Nuclear War Destroys World", or "USENET confiscated for copyright violations". In net.flame, most titles could just as well be "Yet more drivel from myvax!umberhulk". > As a side note, now with the advent of "rn", I REALLY see no reason > to run notesfiles. Rn gives you everything you want, plus more. Plus, > it is completely compatible with the news system used in the majority > of sites, since it is only a news reader, and relies on inews, etc., for > the hard work. Hat's off to Larry Wall!!! It's rather difficult to run news if you don't have any news feeds within affordable distance (local call in 817 area code), because everyone else is running notes, and all you have to interface news with is the really old and horrible notes/news interface. (Why isn't news compatable with the notes transfer format? :-) ) Running both takes up a lot of disk space. The notes/news interface requires some hacking to make it ship stuff that came from news back into it, because it doesn't understand that this news doesn't have anyone else to connect to. (Offers of long-distance news connections appreciated but not accepted, I can't afford the phone bills). Also, my version of rn still dumps core occasionally. Larry Wall did a fantastic job in trying to make rn portable, and from what I have seen, the user interface is excellent, too. I think there are a few bugs still lurking around, and I'm still not sure it beats notes. I don't have it working to the point I can believe it really works grouping topics together as well as notes does. There are a few things I'd really like to know how to do with news. Supposing I had several news connections, and I get mail from one of them saying, "My disk overflowed. Please resend everything from last night on.". This is likely to happen often, considering the small disks on many of the systems around here. How would I do this? And how do I get around the 65535 inodes per filesystem restriction in v7 or 4.1bsd, which news is likely to keep exceeding if I try to save certain groups for a long time? I'm sure someone has gotten around these, but I haven't learned all the tricks that aren't stated in the documentation, but well known to veteran news administrators. > Charles LaBrec > UUCP: pur-ee!Physics:crl, purdue!Physics:crl > INTERNET: crl @ pur-phy.UUCP Gordon Burditt convex!ctvax!trsvax!sneaky!gordon microsoft!trsvax!sneaky!gordon