Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 SMI; site sun.uucp Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!decwrl!sunny From: sunny@sun.uucp (Sunny Kirsten) Newsgroups: net.women,net.flame Subject: Re: Misogyny (Morley Safer on Burning Brides) Message-ID: <1791@sun.uucp> Date: Tue, 13-Nov-84 03:17:58 EST Article-I.D.: sun.1791 Posted: Tue Nov 13 03:17:58 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 14-Nov-84 05:29:59 EST References: <1851@nsc.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 64 Xref: genrad net.women:3965 net.flame:7237 > The main point of this posting is to comment on (flame > about) Morley Safer's editorial commentary.... > > Well maybe this problem isn't large numerically, > but the underlying hatred of women that it shows so dramati- > cally is a worldwide problem--and the USA is far from > exempt. > -- > Richard Mateosian > {amd,decwrl,fortune,hplabs,ihnp4}!nsc!srm nsc!srm@decwrl.ARPA Actually, the problem is far greater than Richard has pointed out. Some of you may think this is stretching it, but I believe that if we continue with our male dominated world which so thoroughly invalidates the eastern/feminine values in favor of the western/masculine values, then we can count on the end of civilization as we know it, because the men are determined to nuke us back into the stone age just to prove that their weapons are bigger than their competitions is. If we don't ALL start loving ALL our brothers&sisters on this planet, we're gonna ALL lose big. Reagan in 84, war in 85. (flames to net.politics). Hey, folks, we've only got one world, and it's pretty fragile. We've only got one race, the human race. If you hate/burn/torture/rape/plunder/pillage anyone and rationalize it as being ok because the victim is of another sex/race/religion/operating system/programming language/persuasion, then you've got your head thoroughly wedged ... oh, this isn't net.flame. (well, I don't read net.flame, despite the cross posting). HERE's the BEEF: Now that Richard has brought up the subject of misogyny, I'd like to open up a sub-discussion about misogyny, which ignores the specific case Richard brought up, and to which I sparked(no flames yet) above. Specifically: regardless of whether you personally hate or distrust women, why do you think people in general do so (what a clever way for you to disquise your own opinion, and blame it on someone else, no?). I mean, (lapsing back to Richard's example) I don't recall hearing of them burning Warlocks in Salem, only Witches. Why is it that (some) men have this fear of women? (psychologically, of course, we all know that everyone fears the unknown, that fear turns to anger and hatred: thus fear is the root problem). HERE's the KINDLING: For all those tempted to flame, allow me to provide the kindling: Let us presume that we are talking about those men who fear women in general, and let us also presume that we've excluded those who fear women because of childhood traumas involving women (mom,sis,aunt,etc), and are referring to those who's fear has matured into misogyny... What is the basis for that fear? Especially given the overall societal flavor of men dominating women, and therefore having less to fear... UNLESS! that fear of women, and that need to be in the dominant position, (no, not sexually ( well, I didn't intend that interpretation)), stems from a basic insecurity born of deep seated feelings of inferiority, which itself may come from "womb envy" (sort of anti-freudian, no? (let's see, cross post this to net.psych?) or from ... ??? <<----HERE IT IS! THE QUESTION! If it isn't from some flavor of inferiority complex, then what? <<---QUESTION2 Send all the flames you like to net.flame... I don't read it. Send any theories right back? I take these questions seriously. :-) -- mail ucbvax\!sun\!sunny decvax\!sun\!sunny ihnp4\!sun\!sunny<