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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: net.flame
Subject: Re: Rhetoric versus Factual Argument: An Example
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Date: Sun, 11-Nov-84 21:59:24 EST
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Posted: Sun Nov 11 21:59:24 1984
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> In article <1650@ucf-cs.UUCP> yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid) writes:
> > There is nothing 'saving' in believing in a counterfeit. Neither you nor
> > any of the others has shown any kind of logical basis to dispute these
> > things which I have rather clearly and forcefully shown on the net over
> > the past few weeks. You just continue to spout the same unfounded drivel
> > giving the same anti-historical reasons.

> This article is totally free of rational argument, and essentially consists
> of the author corwing over the ineffable greatness  of his own position.
> Is it any wonder that the voices of Christendom in net.religion have
> acquired a certain note of frustration?  [CHARLIE WINGATE]

The article itself may be "totally free of rational argument", but the point
that Mr. Ben David makes is quite relevant:  he has presented over the past
few weeks an extended series of arguments about the validity and verifiability
of Christian theological beliefs, in fact the very tenets of Christianity
itself, but answers have not been provided to these arguments (perhaps they
are been assumed to be false because they come from an unbeliever---a standard
action [apparently] among those who would ignore arguments that provide
evidence that contradicts assumed beliefs).  I know just how Mr. Ben David
feels.  (It should be pointed out that the Jewish belief system that Mr.
Ben David feels supercedes the Christian belief system has no more claim to
evidential validity than that Christian belief system, although I wouldn't
expect Christians to point that out, since doing so would completely erode
the foundation of their OWN beliefs.)  

> At least when I argue with Rich Rosen, I can get him to tell me what he is
> trying to say.  

Would that the reverse were true in engaging in discussions with religious
believers....
-- 
"So, it was all a dream!" --Mr. Pither
"No, dear, this is the dream; you're still in the cell." --his mother
				Rich Rosen    pyuxd!rlr