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Newsgroups: net.flame,net.news.group
Subject: Duplication of The penalty of MindRape is NetDeath
Message-ID: <15137@lanl-a.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 24-Oct-84 17:47:40 EDT
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Posted: Wed Oct 24 17:47:40 1984
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I'm going to try again since I got no comment on this before, I'll
cancel and repost...  I've moved the "quotes" to the end of this
note so you can "n" them and still have read what I want to say.

Assuming that 70% of you found eating the dead cat to be reprehensible
how do you feel about the punishment?  If it had been my posting that
"Chuq" or R*** or D***** found reprehensible and they had complained
to my managment I could have been put on notice.  Is that true of
yourselves also?

What happens to your life if someone from "somewhere else" calls your
boss and complains that the things you've been saying on  Arpanet/
Telnet/Bitnet/Usenet are obscene?

SIR... I was raised in a different world than you were, I have four
kids ( twin 17 year old sons included ) and I'll bet that Your
VERSION of OBSCENE is not mine!!!!

I didn't find the dead cat nearly as obscene as the discussion of
whether we "should" have dropped the bomb on Nagasaki.  I haven't
even heard any discussion of the puted use of "tactical Nuclear
Weapons" in Campucia.  I'd find such a discussion very repulsive,
but I wouldn't call someone's boss and complain.

I find the lyrics to some of the songs my kids listen to very
disturbing, but I still let them listen to them...

Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen
"I put my gun against his head, pulled the trigger, now he's dead...
Momma, didn't mean to make you cry, sometimes wish I'd never been
born at all."

I don't feel that it's safe to post to your little bulletinboard
kids, you play dirty...  If you don't like what's said you retaliate
too harshly.  Perhaps Mod.* is the way to go with lots of "cute"
articles (kinda like what you get when you type 'fortune' without
the -o option)...  If things don't go right, you can invent some
proper articles with just the right amount of controversy in them.

Note that the person who felt that he had to complain to someone
else's boss about the obscene postings is now the "moderator"
of one of the most volatile and previously interesting newsgroups.
If I send him an article that he doesn't like, will he retaliate?

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That's my opinion, this is sarcasm.

And Gene don't you really think that people would object to your
cute little jokes, has anyone called your boss yet?  I'll bet
his phone number is in one of the site reports in net.news somewhere.
Lets start a round robin and see how many people we can get fired.

BUT lets start with those who are offensive and obscene first, then
when we get down to them we'll do the others, ( I'm probably pretty
safe, I'm Manx ).

Just think where we'd be if we could get rid of reactionarys like
Gene.
		      End of Sarcasm
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Please don't call my boss if you have problems with me, call me...
David Wade
(505)667-5745 @ work
(505)662-9011 @ home

     That's what I had to say, the text following is the articles that
I'm referring to...
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>From: spaf@gatech.UUCP (Gene Spafford)
>Newsgroups: net.singles
>Subject: Re: friends and intimacy
>Date: Mon, 15-Oct-84 16:08:16 MDT
>Organization: The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech
>
>> At best, it ain't easy. At worst, it's downright hard.....
>>
>> chuq
>
>Actually, it's often the best when it's hard.
>(sorry, I couldn't resist.)
>--
>Off the Wall of Gene Spafford
>==============================================================
>From: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Zonker T. Chuqui)
>Newsgroups: net.singles,net.flame
>Subject: Re: Not Way-Out But Lovable Babbling Meaningless Drivel
>
>Organization: The Warlocks Cave, Castrovalva
>
>> This is really getting absurd.  Meaningless Drivel is right!  I am
>> >>                      {not john williams}
>
>I brought John Williams to the attention of the powers that be at Dec, and
>they have assured me that he will act in a gentlemanly and proper manner or
>they will shove his bicycle pump down his throat (or something to that
>affect). They were not aware of his postings and did not appreciate the
>negative implications he was giving their fine and upstanding company.
>
>chuq
>                                                        Chuq Von Rospach
>
>=============================================================
>From: rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn)
>Newsgroups: net.singles,net.flame
>Subject: Re: Not Way-Out But Lovable Babbling Meaningless Drivel
>
>Wait!  What's going on here?  I can buy the idea of bringing this guy's
>actions to the attention of someone who has a brain and cares...BUT I draw
>the line at implying that people posting to the net reflect, to any
>significant extent, on their respective organizations.
>
>It's FINE to bring peer pressure to bear on someone who's posting trash--
>and John Williams' article certainly was that.  Moreover, the site admin
>at the site of a problem poster is an excellent person to bring some
>meaningful pressure.  But the basis for the pressure should be in terms of
>the social structure and the operation of the net.  The minute we start
>saying and/or believing that people speak for their respective
>organizations, everybody's gonna have to have one of those idiot
>disclaimers at the bottom of the article.  We'll be inviting company
>bureaucracy (in the "proper" companies) to scrutinize everything that gets
>posted--and if that happens, it won't take too long to shut down the "non-
>technical" groups, among which net.singles would surely be one of the
>first.  I don't want any of that, nor do I want a bunch of folks thinking
>that when I say "(sex, drugs, rock&roll:-)" in a posting that I'm saying
>ANYthing about NBI policy or attitudes!
>--
>Dick Dunn       {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd         (303)444-5710 x3086
>   ...Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip it's been.