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From: segs@mhuxv.UUCP (slusky)
Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish
Subject: Re: Raising Jewish Children
Message-ID: <184@mhuxv.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 3-Oct-84 09:28:01 EDT
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Posted: Wed Oct  3 09:28:01 1984
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Now, this is complicated, so pay attention.
A response to the Jesus Loves Me mother (whose name is Fitzsimmons)
appeared in net.kids.
Ken Wolman, who has read-only access to the net, saw it and mailed a respnse
to Sutula. Wolman asked that I post the Sutula comment and the Wolman response
to net.religion.jewish because as Wolman said,
"I would like Yaqim and Dave Sherman to get their
hooks into this guy.  He deserves it."

Please note that I am neither Fitzsimmons, nor Sutula, nor Wolman.
I remain
					Susan Slusky
					mhuxv!segs

From: sutula@hplvle.UUCP (sutula)
Newsgroups: net.kids
Subject: Re: childcare and religion
Message-ID: <4700001@hplvle.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 17-Sep-84 21:08:00 EDT
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard - Loveland, CO

> ...My 2 year old came home singing "Jesus Loves Me"...

> ...I don't really want to find another babysitter, because this one is
> really good, and Rebecca really enjoys being over there...

> Suggestions?

Just one.  Re-read your own words.  Does Rebecca sense something that we,
as adults ignore?  Perhaps Mark 10:15 could shed some light on the problem.

If someone feels the need to flame at me, please use mail.


                          Bryan Sutula
                          hplabs!hplvla!sutula  or
                          ihnp4!hpfcla!hplvla!sutula




>From ktw Tue Oct  2 15:53:20 1984
To: ihnp4!hpfcla!hplvla!sutula
Subject: Little Rebecca, Mark 10:15, Jews, and net.kids

With reference to your comments about little Rebecca coming home
singing "Jesus Loves Me," I find your attitude somewhat suggestive
of those individuals I remember from my childhood who stood on
42nd Street and 6th Avenue in New York, offering a free copy of
the New Testament to "any Jewish person who promises to read it."
I question very seriously whether the entry of a Jewish child
into Heaven is guaranteed only under the protecting wings of
the teacher whom you choose freely to believe is your savior and
messiah.  There's a problem, however, Mr. Sutula.  Rebecca's
mother does not believe that the individual in question is
her savior or the savior of her child.  Neither do I.  Neither
do a lot of people in this world who identify themselves with
a history, religion and people that have survived the efforts
of Crusaders, evangelists, mobs, Islam, Hitler and Stalin to
destroy or convert them to a "better" way of thinking and worshipping
God.  Are we a "stiff-necked people," Mr. Sutula?  I hope so.
I hope, too, that little Rebecca's mother becomes more aware of
her magnificent heritage and faith, and is therefore better
equipped to deal with the kind of nauseating self-righteousness
you seem to espouse.  Do not hide your anti-Semitism behind a
Bible, sir; you do no credit to yourself, your faith, or your
messiah in the process.

Kenneth Wolman
Bell Communications Research
Morristown, NJ
whuxe!ktw



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