Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/3/84; site mhuxv.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!mhuxm!mhuxv!segs From: segs@mhuxv.UUCP (slusky) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Raising Jewish Children Message-ID: <184@mhuxv.UUCP> Date: Wed, 3-Oct-84 09:28:01 EDT Article-I.D.: mhuxv.184 Posted: Wed Oct 3 09:28:01 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 4-Oct-84 02:35:19 EDT Distribution: net Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 81 Now, this is complicated, so pay attention. A response to the Jesus Loves Me mother (whose name is Fitzsimmons) appeared in net.kids. Ken Wolman, who has read-only access to the net, saw it and mailed a respnse to Sutula. Wolman asked that I post the Sutula comment and the Wolman response to net.religion.jewish because as Wolman said, "I would like Yaqim and Dave Sherman to get their hooks into this guy. He deserves it." Please note that I am neither Fitzsimmons, nor Sutula, nor Wolman. I remain Susan Slusky mhuxv!segs From: sutula@hplvle.UUCP (sutula) Newsgroups: net.kids Subject: Re: childcare and religion Message-ID: <4700001@hplvle.UUCP> Date: Mon, 17-Sep-84 21:08:00 EDT Article-I.D.: hplvle.4700001 References: <2929@teklabs.UUCP> Organization: Hewlett-Packard - Loveland, CO > ...My 2 year old came home singing "Jesus Loves Me"... > ...I don't really want to find another babysitter, because this one is > really good, and Rebecca really enjoys being over there... > Suggestions? Just one. Re-read your own words. Does Rebecca sense something that we, as adults ignore? Perhaps Mark 10:15 could shed some light on the problem. If someone feels the need to flame at me, please use mail. Bryan Sutula hplabs!hplvla!sutula or ihnp4!hpfcla!hplvla!sutula >From ktw Tue Oct 2 15:53:20 1984 To: ihnp4!hpfcla!hplvla!sutula Subject: Little Rebecca, Mark 10:15, Jews, and net.kids With reference to your comments about little Rebecca coming home singing "Jesus Loves Me," I find your attitude somewhat suggestive of those individuals I remember from my childhood who stood on 42nd Street and 6th Avenue in New York, offering a free copy of the New Testament to "any Jewish person who promises to read it." I question very seriously whether the entry of a Jewish child into Heaven is guaranteed only under the protecting wings of the teacher whom you choose freely to believe is your savior and messiah. There's a problem, however, Mr. Sutula. Rebecca's mother does not believe that the individual in question is her savior or the savior of her child. Neither do I. Neither do a lot of people in this world who identify themselves with a history, religion and people that have survived the efforts of Crusaders, evangelists, mobs, Islam, Hitler and Stalin to destroy or convert them to a "better" way of thinking and worshipping God. Are we a "stiff-necked people," Mr. Sutula? I hope so. I hope, too, that little Rebecca's mother becomes more aware of her magnificent heritage and faith, and is therefore better equipped to deal with the kind of nauseating self-righteousness you seem to espouse. Do not hide your anti-Semitism behind a Bible, sir; you do no credit to yourself, your faith, or your messiah in the process. Kenneth Wolman Bell Communications Research Morristown, NJ whuxe!ktw -- mhuxv!segs