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From: herbie@watdcsu.UUCP (Herb Chong, Computing Services)
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Subject: Re: CS students unexposed to C
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Date: Thu, 11-Oct-84 09:58:48 EDT
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Posted: Thu Oct 11 09:58:48 1984
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For those who are interested and haven't seen it yet, Datamation's
August issue has what is, by consensus, the large systems manager's
viewpoint on Unix and its future.  I'm sure that a lot of people are
going to be upset at the contents of the different reports, but I'm 
a person who has used Unix and other systems a lot.  I have been a systems
programmer on IBM MVS systems, and I do a lot of work on IBM VM/SP systems
too, as well as the work I do on Unix.  Each system has its faults and I
don't think that any does everything well.  It is not unusual to find
CS grads, even here at Waterloo, to have minimal exposure to Unix.  Most
of our student computing is done on our VM/CMS system.  We have a turnover
of nearly 8,000 userid's every school term.  I'm not sure how many Unix
systems we would have to run to make up the load.  And as for user friendliness,at the risk of many flames, Unix is a jungle for the new computer user,
let alone a complete novice.  We also have a Honeywell system where some
undergraduate computing is done, but Unix is mostly reserved for hackers
who can talk their way into an account or graduate research.

Herb...
Once a hack, always a hack...

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