Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site uwmacc.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois From: dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Love and Hate Message-ID: <370@uwmacc.UUCP> Date: Thu, 4-Oct-84 13:28:24 EDT Article-I.D.: uwmacc.370 Posted: Thu Oct 4 13:28:24 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 6-Oct-84 01:59:48 EDT Organization: UW Primate Center Lines: 66 > >>Even if you judge people to be sinners, which the bible says you > >>shouldn't ... > > >Where does the Bible say that? > > Try Matthew 7:1-5 from the sermon on the mount and Romans 14:12-20 where Paul > is talking about how christians should behave toward non-christians. The > passage from Romans will probably come back to haunt me. I should know better > than to give you scriptures since you'll just invoke Rule 1. > > I *try* not to judge other people because they don't look like, act like, or > agree with me. I'm not black but I don't hate blacks. I'm not gay but I > don't hate gays. I'm not christian but I don't hate christians. I don't eat > liver but I don't hate people that do. They all fall in about the same > category to me. Whether the difference is one nobody can change or it's > something a person has a choice in, as long as it doesn't hurt me or anyone > else what right do I have to interfere. Being different shouldn't mean better > or worse, just different. I don't hate any of the above groups either, but what does judging have to do with hate? As far as the passage from Matthew, the parallel in Luke also adds that I will be judged with whatever standard I judge by, i.e., I should apply my own standard to myself first before I aim it at someone else. (board in my eye and all that - also Paul indicates that I must give my judgment in love) > I don't need something to look forward to after I die > to be happy right now. My life is in my control and if I choose to screw it > up I don't need a deity or a devil to put the blame on. I didn't need something to look forward to, either. I became a Christian anyway. If I screw up my life, I don't need a deity or a devil to blame, either. I'm responsible for it. But what happens if you don't choose to screw it up, and do so anyway? > >>I think Dave's hatred is much too deeply ingrained to allow him to > >>explain or question it. > > >This is the second time I've seen this hatred thing. Jerry Nowlin > >said something similar. I definitely hate lies and sometimes react > >viscerally against them (having seen the disastrous results that > >acceptance of lies has had in my own life and the lives of some of > >my friends). As far as I know this is a virtue. Let me know if > >you can correct me on this. > > Hate is a very strong word. I don't know anyone who thinks of it as > a virtue. I don't know what's poisoned you with hate. You have my > sympathy. I can only wish you some peace of mind and hope you find > someone who can love you in spite of your hatred. If I were religious > I'd definitely pray for you. Hate is not a blanket vice, nor is love a blanket virtue. This confusion runs rampant on this net. Suppose you hate injustice. Is that being poisoned? Suppose I love violence. Is that virtue? Hatred of lies is hating a bad thing, and is itself good. Right? -- Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois "Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight." Psalm 119:35