Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mcnc.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!wjh12!genrad!decvax!mcnc!bch From: bch@mcnc.UUCP (Byron Howes) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: creationism topics Message-ID: <2286@mcnc.UUCP> Date: Wed, 10-Oct-84 14:51:40 EDT Article-I.D.: mcnc.2286 Posted: Wed Oct 10 14:51:40 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 13-Oct-84 01:08:38 EDT References: <32500003@uiucdcsb.UUCP> <27700004@uicsl.UUCP> <1191@hao.UUCP>Reply-To: bch@mcnc.UUCP (Byron Howes) Organization: North Carolina Educational Computing Service Lines: 27 Summary: In article lab@qubix.UUCP (Q-Bick) writes: >> Mike Ward: >> But scientists have no need to postulate the initial existence >> of matter. They only need to postulate the existence of matter >> at a certain point in time, and can very easily state that events >> before that time, being unobservable, are beyond the realm of >> science. (and quite possibly in the realm of religion) > >> What that point in time is, of course, depends on the current >> state of mankind's ability to observe. > >So evolutionists can have things "beyond the realm of science" but >creationists can't? That's hypocritical cheating! Nobody ever said creationists couldn't have things 'beyond the realm of science,' only that such things cannot be critical to any scientific theory. Evolutionary theory doesn't have to deal with the genesis of matter because the scope of evolutionaty is only (!) the development of life forms. Creationists explicitly include the unobservable as the creator of all life forms. Having done so, they have expressly brought it within their theoretical scope and thus should not be shocked when they are asked to account for it. -- Byron C. Howes {decvax|akgua}!mcnc!ecsvax!bch