Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxhh.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!hplabs!pesnta!petsd!vax135!houxm!mhuxj!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxhh!dxp From: dxp@pyuxhh.UUCP (D Peak) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: new twist on computer "crime" and law Message-ID: <725@pyuxhh.UUCP> Date: Mon, 1-Oct-84 10:55:17 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxhh.725 Posted: Mon Oct 1 10:55:17 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 3-Oct-84 06:43:52 EDT References: <2199@ucbvax.ARPA>, <244@imsvax.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. Lines: 30 Re : Unions and telecommuting. Someone recently stated that they hadn't seen much union activity in regards to recruiting computer professionals. Well it's on the way. The US for several reasons lags behind Europe as far as union membership is concerned. When I was last employed(am now self employed) 9 years ago by a US corporation in England the unions already had a good solid foot in the door through organization of computor operators,data prep staff and some programmers. One thing the unions fought for and won was overtime pay. The employers view was that a programmer was a member of management and thus was recompensed in other ways than overtime pay. The unions (and a lot of programmers) stated that they were technicians and thus deserved overtime pay. One thing that unions appear to have gained in Britain is 5 weeks paid vacation (check UK computer publications). When I left Britain starting vacation entitlement was 3 weeks and 3 days. I don't know how strong the unions are in DP industry nowadays (maybe a more recent ex-pat could post more info). -- Dave Peak (pyuxhh!dxp) "Thank God I'm an atheist !!!" - Dave Allen