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From: esk@wucs.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: moRE stupid arguments
Message-ID: <391@wucs.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 3-Oct-84 14:46:56 EDT
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Posted: Wed Oct  3 14:46:56 1984
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This is a reposting.... I screwed up the earlier one and tried to
cancel it.  My apologies if this is a repeat.

						EK


>>> Rape and murder harm members of society.  Abortion does not.
>>> Actions that do not harm society should not be restricted.
>>>  [and in a different article he says]
>>> Almost everyone (I think) is for laws that say "don't do it because it 
>>> harms someone".  There is a difference in those types of laws.
>>> --Brian Peterson  {ucbvax, ihnp4, }  !tektronix!shark!brianp
>
>!! WOW does that beg the question!  Shame on you!  You can reason better
>!! than that.  Whether someone is harmed is PRECISELY the point at issue. 
>
>The aspiring iconoclast just made it in a very big way, implying
>that fetus is a member of society. That would require some
>changes to our notions about what "member of society" is.
>Any reasoning, maybe, to prove the necessity of such adjustments?
>	--Mike Musing

GRRRRR!  Are you naturally stupid, or do you take lessons?

I most certainly did *not* imply that.  I implied that Brian Peterson had
*assumed* the opposite.  I pointed out that his *assumption* was question-
begging.  SO:  ANY REASONING, MAYBE, TO PROVE THE ASSUMPTION?  If not, the
argument I was criticizing is a complete flop.  I WAS NOT TRYING TO PROVE
ANYTHING -- I WAS SHOWING THAT SOMETHING HAD NOT BEEN PROVEN.  THERE IS A
WORLD OF DIFFERENCE.

				--The undaunted iconoclast,
				Paul V Torek, ihnp4!wucs!wucec1!pvt1047
Please send any mail directly to this address, not the sender's.  Thanks.

p.s. Will Paul Dubuc please send me his net-address?  He sent mail to me
  	in reply to something I wrote here, but I accidentally lost his
	address.