Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!cbosgd!ihnp4!zehntel!dual!amd!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-regina!lasko From: lasko@regina.DEC Newsgroups: net.games.frp Subject: Re: Re: "The AD&D Module Competition" Message-ID: <3721@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Mon, 24-Sep-84 10:05:34 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.3721 Posted: Mon Sep 24 10:05:34 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Sep-84 07:43:47 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 67 [SET FLAME/LOW] I'll assume that "DM/Gandalf_as_a_player_character/Republican" was referring to me by the nickname "Mr. Democrat". Since D/G/R apparently misunderstood me, I will repeat myself. AD&D and D&D ARE NOT THE SAME. TSR currently owns four fantasy role-playing games (one of them, Dragonquest, doesn't enter into this discussion). The first Dungeons & Dragons (the old brown or white box, now called the Original or Collectors set), Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (characterized by hardcover books), and the newer Dungeons & Dragons (characterized by softcover books or boxed sets, lacking the word "Advanced" on the cover.) In fact, there was even an intermediate version of Basic D&D that was sold in a boxed set with a light blue rulebook, but I haven't seen any of those around in some time. Advanced Dungeons & Dragons contains rules to cover levels 5-15. And I believe that the top level covered in the Expert Set of the D&D rules is 14, but I will double check. One cannot mix AD&D and D&D rules systems together officially (such as for a contest entry), and I wouldn't really want to in any case, since AD&D covers quite a bit more. So, D/G/R, which is it? D&D, AD&D, either, both, or neither? And, if I'm restricted to just the Expert Set of D&D rules, I'm going to have a lot of angry MUs who can't cast 1st level spells because they aren't "covered" in the Expert Set, and players in general will be a bit peeved if they can't use the Cure Light Wounds spell because it isn't "covered" in the Expert Set. And I, as a module designer, would like to have access to the beasties described ONLY in the Basic Set. But, I suppose you are correct, levels 5-15 are not covered by the Basic Set! Gosh. I hesitate to correct your grammar, but perhaps you meant: Frankly, levels 5-15 may ONLY be covered by either the Expert, or the Advanced rules, ... instead of... >>Franly, level 5-15 may ONLY be covered by Expert & Advanced rules, I fail to see how "expert D&Ders" can not be aware of the differences and history behind the several Dungeons & Dragons games. I can read quite well, thank you, and I've been an avid GM and role-player for over eight years. I could have come up with a clearer, and more consistent set of rules by cribbing from the rules to several of the Dragon's Module Design Competitions. Please, do feel free to post clarifications. What stands now sounds a lot like: "Hey everyone, give me all of your good ideas, 'cause I've run out." Again, correcting your grammar, hesitatingly, and only to prove my point: >>This has been a DM, and Gandalf as a player character implies two people, since one cannot be a DM and a player character at the same time. DM's run non-player characters. [SET FLAME/MEDIUM] Incidentally, I am a moderate Republican, not any flavor of Democrat. I don't wish to engage in politics here, merely state my position. (And why don't you use your name(s)?) Tim Lasko Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard Mass. "The opinions expressed are not those of my employer" {decvax, ihnp4, allegra, ucbvax, ... }!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-regina!lasko lasko%regina.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA