Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-h Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:aeq From: aeq@pucc-h (Jeff Sargent) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Saint DuBois, Sinner Kulawiec Message-ID: <1226@pucc-h> Date: Thu, 20-Sep-84 20:51:37 EDT Article-I.D.: pucc-h.1226 Posted: Thu Sep 20 20:51:37 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 25-Sep-84 21:09:39 EDT References: <302@uwmacc.UUCP>, <1196@pucc-h> Organization: Tucumcari Divinity School Lines: 35 From Rich Kulawiec (pucc-h:rsk): > Oh, Paul (DuBois)...given a choice between your vision of the > heavenly hereafter, and the "flaming pits of hell"; I think I'd > opt for whichever one you (and like-minded folks) weren't > currently occupying. Why? Don't you like the idea of transformed lives? > Based on my ideas of how the universe works, this is of course > a null statement, since this *is* no hereafter; based on yours, > I s'pose it means you can expect a postcard from hell eventually. I have never understood why those who believe they are just going to die, and that'll be the end, bother living. If all there is is experiencing various facets of life -- growth, pleasure, relating, whatever -- with nothing eternal to which these experiences can be added; if all there is is the physical body; why do you people bother? > Still laughing with the sinners, Perhaps "the sinners have much more fun", as Billy Joel said in the song this is alluding to -- in the short term. But how are you going to have fun if your "fun" is of the self-destructive nature that wrecks your health or kills you at an early age? And anyway, I have seen that "saints" can have genuine fun without indulging in a lot of the actions usually associated with the "sinners". It is possible to have a good time on earth and still go to Heaven; so what do you gain by refusing the second to concentrate on the first? -- -- Jeff Sargent {decvax|harpo|ihnp4|inuxc|seismo|ucbvax}!pur-ee!pucc-h:aeq "Jesus looked Death in the eye, and Death blinked first."