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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Re: Response to Ken Nichols' article on Tim Maroney (part 4)
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Date: Thu, 18-Oct-84 10:55:54 EDT
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Posted: Thu Oct 18 10:55:54 1984
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Keywords: more preconceptions about god and humanity

> The people building the Tower of Babel were attempting to reach God, so as to
> be like Him.  He was crushing the pride they had in themselves and their
> 'human acheivment'.  This same pride exists today (the Olympics comes to
> mind).  God will not allow man to accend to His glory.  

Translation:  many religionists do not like the results of much of what
humanity has done, thus they "believe" that a god exists that will keep
humanity's "evil cravings" (put there by god?) in check.  But is that evil
behavior based in part on the self-hatred, the humanity-hatred, and other
irrational illogical self-debasing notions prevalent in Ken's mindset?

> Tim missed the point of the verse he quoted.  When a Christian does one of the
> above things to another human, and we do it for His glory not ours, God says 
> it's just as if we did it to Him and that it is counted is worthy of praise.
> When a non-Christian does own of the above things to another human, it
> is either for their own glory, or maybe because they think it's the 'right'
> thing to do.  In either case, it means nothing to God, and you might as well
> not have even done it.  Doing 'right' things will NEVER SAVE YOU FROM THE
> WRATH OF GOD.

I'll agree with Ken here.  If god does exist, whatever you do means nothing
to god---whether you're good, bad, (?) or indifferent.  Why would a being
who sees all of our time and space at once care about the actions of a few
insignificant (they don't think so) beings on an obscure planet?  And if
it did care, why would it behave in such a vindictive manner?  Could it be
because YOU wish it to be so?  Does that it REALLY make it so?

> WHY DO YOU EXPECT ALMIGHTY GOD TO LIVE UP TO YOUR PUNY STANDARDS OF MORALITY??
> DID YOU MAKE THE STANDARDS???  I don't think so!   [CAPS are Ken's]

No.  The believers made them.  I'm sure if god exists, he's sick and tired of
being told by THEM to live up to THEIR expectations of what "he" should be.
Just as sure as you are about the nature of something that, if it did exist,
would be far beyond the anthropomorphic (based on *your* view of humanity)
bombast you describe.
-- 
"Come with me now to that secret place where
 the eyes of man have never set foot."		Rich Rosen    pyuxd!rlr