Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site usfbobo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!mcnc!duke!ucf-cs!usfbobo!brunson From: brunson@usfbobo.UUCP (David Brunson) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.motss Subject: Re: Gay Rights Message-ID: <185@usfbobo.UUCP> Date: Tue, 2-Oct-84 03:05:46 EDT Article-I.D.: usfbobo.185 Posted: Tue Oct 2 03:05:46 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 3-Oct-84 07:22:13 EDT Organization: Univ. of South Florida, Tampa Lines: 71 [C'mon in! The water's fine!] Thank you for your interest in this topic!! There isn't enough time to respond to each comment, but I'll handle what I can. Anyone who wants to help out is more than welcome. First of all, let me assure everyone that I recognize the folly of trying to teach morality to those not interested in a covenant relationship with the Creator. No one can accuse me of the non- biblical position of "trying to convert" anyone, and these postings are definitely no exception. Secondly let me point out that there is definitely an attempt to legislate civil rights for homosexuals. In fact, there is a bill before congress which addresses just this issue -- HR 427. There's probably not much chance of it getting very far. This time. Many misconceptions can be cleared up by a second hypothetical example: Once again I am an employer. This time there are two applicants for one position. A statement of requirements is on file in my personnel department. Requirements for the position include a Master's degree in Computer Science/Engineering and at least two years of experience in designing, say, CAD/CAM applications. One of the applicants, Howard Jones, is a homosexual who exactly fills the requirements. The other is Susan Cohen, an observant Jew who meets the education requrement but lacks the necessary experience. Some will say "how do you know about their non-job related backgrounds"? Okay. Let's say I went to school with Howard Jones. When he showed up for the interview I asked him, "hey Howard, you still a homo?" And he said, "Sure am, Dave." Susan Cohen wore a Star-of-David pin to her interview which provoked a discussion of, among other things, her family life, synagogues in the area where she might like to attend if she gets the job and so forth. Now there are two things happening here. First of all, being a Bible-believer, I am intensely interested in opportunities to take advantage of the provision for goys under Abraham's covenant -- "I will bless them that bless you...". If Susan wants the job, I will tend to favor her for it because she is a practicing jew. Secondly, Howard calls himself a "Christian" and attends the local Metropolitan Community Church. This, as you all know, is an abomination to me. So who will I hire? Susan Cohen, of course. The way I look at it, I'd have to be out of my mind to hire Howard over Susan no matter how much experience Howard has or how immediately he could be making money for me. How will the state judge this? Howard definitely had the paper qualifications. Susan didn't. Howard was definitely discriminated against because he is a homosexual. Susan definitely received extra consideration beyond her qualifications because she is jewish. Once again, when the state investigator comes knocking at my door, I will unhesitatingly say, "Yes, Howard had the better qualifications. I *discriminated* against him." So, some folks would have had me thrown in jail for the last episode of discrimination. How about this one? -- David Brunson, Goy Extraordinaire