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From: ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: rape and violence
Message-ID: <1278@ihuxq.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 8-Oct-84 09:32:56 EDT
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Posted: Mon Oct  8 09:32:56 1984
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>> No, Ken, it's you that are aggravating.

>> Ya, if she says nay its rape, ya, ya we hear you.

>> But for every case where the guy actually rapes someone
>> in a situation like this, there are probably 100s where
>> he meekly backs off and respects her wishes.

Say what?  I was just accusing the nerd who went to great lengths
to concoct an "Is it rape or isn't it?" scenario of closet misogyny.
The misogyny above is a lot more blatant.  What's this "meekly
backs off" crap?  If these guys were "real men" what would they do?

>> Most men, I expect, would prefer a more open and honest
>> relationship that did not include either threats/blackmail from men
>> or women being coy/teasing. It is just plain wrong for
>> women to toy with men sexually.

And vice versa.  No, wait!  What does "wrong" mean?  It's a crime?
It deserves punishment, as in "she was asking for it"?  That's sick.

>> Let's stop arguing about all this nitpicking stuff(is it rape?,
>> is she a slut?, etc) and get on to some higher level discussions.

Good idea.  In fact, that was the whole point of my original article.
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