Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site digi-g.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!stolaf!umn-cs!digi-g!amir From: amir@digi-g.UUCP (Amir Vafaei) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: TO Tom Hill: Message-ID: <296@digi-g.UUCP> Date: Thu, 11-Oct-84 11:23:32 EDT Article-I.D.: digi-g.296 Posted: Thu Oct 11 11:23:32 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 13-Oct-84 06:23:11 EDT References: <270@mhuxt.UUCP> <858@ihuxx.UUCP> <1166@pyuxn.UUCP> <276@mhuxt.UUCP> <271@digi-g.UUCP> <> Reply-To: amir@digi-g.UUCP (amir) Organization: DigiGraphic Systems Corp., Mpls. MN Lines: 53 Summary: In article <> thill@ssc-bee.UUCP (Tom Hill) writes: > >Amir, > About my ignorance on the bombing during WWII? I still feel that >you have neglected to read the articles that were posted after your >article came over the net. If you had read them (and mine, for that >matter) you might understand that several of us believe the bombing of >the two Japanese cities *saved lives* because it ended the war before >our planned invasion of Japan. Obviously they killed many people >but what would have happened to other Japanese cities if the war had >gone on longer? More Germans died due to conventional bombing in >Europe than died in the two A-bombs. > Try to listen to other people views Amir. Just because they dis- >agree with you doesn't mean they are stupid (even if you think they >are wrong) or ignorant. BTW, ignorant seems to be your favorite word, >and has been used in every flame that you have posted. > > > Tom Hill It seems that you have neglected to read others and mine. I mentioned it once and I will mention it again. I said that 450,000 people dying because of one bomb, is not my idea of saving lives. The point has been brought out that since the Emperor of Japan said they would never surrender, we had to drop the bomb on them. And not once but twice. Now think about it. Do you really believe that when the head of a country says we will never do something, that is the final word or situations in the world change so much every day that there is no way one can say I never surrender. Secondly there was already internal resistance to the war by the people, as is the case of any war that takes too long and costs alot of lives and money. There is noway that the Emperor of Japan could have stuck to his promise of never surrendering, if not pressured from outside sources, he would have been forced by the internal forces to do so. The history is full of people who said 'never' and ended up doing 'it'. The president of Viet Nam said 'never' to the Viet Congs and look at it now. The president of Korea said 'never' to the communists and look at it now. Your good old Ronnie said 'never' to cut backs as he is saying now, but look at his cutbacks now. To sum it all up, I say that the conventional war which would have ended the war very soon, would have costed much less lives than mass murder that happened. You also said that " our system is set up to filter out garbages."!!! How does your stuff ever get out then? Amir