Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-k Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!amd!dual!zehntel!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:Pucc-I:Pucc-K:agz From: agz@pucc-k (Andrew Banta) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: rape and violence Message-ID: <451@pucc-k> Date: Tue, 16-Oct-84 12:45:27 EDT Article-I.D.: pucc-k.451 Posted: Tue Oct 16 12:45:27 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 19-Oct-84 05:35:26 EDT References: <3029@hlexa.UUCP> <10400010@acf4.UUCP> <385@pucc-k> <1733@sun.uucp> Organization: Dept. of Mental Instability, Purdue University Lines: 40 > you've missed the point! > MY WHOLE POINT was that there IS a psychological > form of rape, and that you and the courts haven't got the foggiest idea of > how to deal with it!. Rape is a crime of DOMINANCE. It may manifest as > SEXual dominance, and / or it may manifest as VIOLENTce dominance, but it > is nevertheless a crime of one person asserting control over the other > person's body/mind where there is no legal right for that dominance. You have missed my whole point!! I won't argue with your definition of rape. I'm still going to pick nits over your definition of psychological rape, though. Will you please explain how you can convict on psychological rape? If the girl (or guy) says "yes" and is not threatened (since threatening DOES start coming into the physical grounds), how, in court, is it going to be proven that she didn't mean yes. And that is what will have to be proven. She brought the charges up, that means she has to back them up, and PROVE that she waas psychologically manipulated into performing the act!!! > 1: Do exactly as I tell you or this knife punctures your heart, etc... > 2: Oh shit! I'll do EXACTLY what he says, and maybe he won't knife me... > 3: No further protest is registered, (take THAT to court!) to stay alive. How canyou say this is psychological? It is in a sense, but the THREAT of physical abuse was there. I'm talking about when physical abuse is never mentioned. It may get to the point where the woman thinks that violence may occur if she doesn't agree, but she has not been threatened physically or physically injured! Sorry, our law is not built around mind games. I have to admit that if this WAS his actually intention, something should be done. But you're going to have one HELL OF A TIME proving this in court. Gut feelings and unspoken communication is not valid evidence. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andy Banta {decvax!allegra!ihnp4}!pur-ee!pucc-k!agz Dept. of Mental Instability, Purdue University --- "I'm OK, You're a CS Major" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip it's been."