Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!houxm!hogpc!houti!ariel!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!hpda!fortune!amd!decwrl!decvax!mit-athena!martillo From: martillo@mit-athena.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Who is a Jew (Mr. Martillo's bark worse than his bite!) Message-ID: <21@mit-athe.UUCP> Date: Sat, 6-Oct-84 23:14:04 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-athe.21 Posted: Sat Oct 6 23:14:04 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 9-Oct-84 03:01:31 EDT References: <1438@ittvax.UUCP>, <223@fisher.UUCP> <225@mit-athena.ARPA>, <253@fisher.UUCP> <255@mit-athena.ARPA>Re: Who is a Je Lines: 38 Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site houti.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-athena.ARPA Message-ID: <21@mit-athena.ARPA> Date: Sat, 6-Oct-84 23:14:04 EDT w (Mr. Martillo's bark worse than his bite!) Organization: MIT, Project Athena, Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 30 I do not like to reply out of order, but I feel compelled to point out ignorant, assimilated ashkenazim dreck is not an epithet which I have used. In fact, if I used it, I would have used ignorant, assimilated ashkenazi dreck which I would not say either since I try to avoid Yiddishisms. I have a low opinion of Ashkenazi behavior over the past 300 years, but I will not label the majority of the Jewish people dreck. One of my grandparents was an Ashkenaziah. While that branch of my family is the lowest and crudest, they have lately proven susceptible to levantinization (some of them have become Ba`alei Teshubah and have renounced their leftest VusVus Mapam immorality). Vocabulary: Ashkenazi -- refers to Jews whose ancestors accepted the authority of Rab Moshe Isserles, I consider many Ashkenazi practices Christianizing an opinion also held by Jacob of Emden and Rabbi Moshe Haim Luzzatto -- which gives a partial explanation for Jewish assimilation in the USA -- if you are 3/4 there why not go all the way? dreck -- Yiddish for garbage. ba`alei teshubah -- returnees [to the normative practice of Judaism] -- means something different to Ashkenazim than to Sefardim. VusVus -- derogatory epithet for Yiddish speaker or descendent of Yiddish speakers. Mapam -- mindlessly leftist party in Israel -- used to consider Israel and the Soviet Union Jewish homelands.