Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!akgua!mcnc!decvax!ittvax!wxlvax!slack From: slack@wxlvax.UUCP (Tom Slack) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: RE: Re: Liberty and Isolation are not the same things. Message-ID: <344@wxlvax.UUCP> Date: Wed, 26-Sep-84 10:14:07 EDT Article-I.D.: wxlvax.344 Posted: Wed Sep 26 10:14:07 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 29-Sep-84 09:11:28 EDT References: tty3b.512 Lines: 43 >From: brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton): > > >Again and again you assume that capitalists are against everything you > >stand for. Capitalists don't say "people should starve." They say > >"people should not have their money taken from them by force to feed > >those who don't work." > > > >I personally stand for providing enough food and health care to the > >needy in our society, and I wish to do so of MY OWN FREE CHOICE. > > > >I think universal education is of value. I will gladly help support > >school systems, but wish to do so of MY OWN FREE CHOICE. > > > >We had that "freedom of choice" for many years in the U.S. Still >people starved, went homeless and died from exposure. > >Sounds nice. Doesn't work. Next idea. > >Mike Kelly It worked better than anything we have since tried. Voluntary welfare systems in this country still outperform the federal system. Private schools have always outperformed the public ones and outnumbered them until this century. Private pension plans outperform Social Security. In the US, more people have starved, went homeless or died of exposure due to acts of Government than have been relieved by the Federal system. I refer to: The last flight of the Nez Perce, The extermination order of Missouri (1838), The flight of the Mormans from Nauvoo Ill. (1847), The Trail of Tears of the five civilized tribes (1820-1842), The Civil war (fought over power politics). These difficulties were caused by people who chose group rule rather than protecting individual rights. These people should have had their right to property protected, In this century, group rule (power to the majority, and power to minority groups) has increased. Individual rights to property have decreased. Tom Slack