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From: martillo@mit-athena.ARPA (Joaquim Martillo)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Israel and Muslims
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Date: Sun, 14-Oct-84 21:55:10 EDT
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Posted: Sun Oct 14 21:55:10 1984
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>> From the North African non-Muslim point of view, the existence of Muslim
>> states  ANYWHERE is ILLEGITIMATE while the DOMINATION of Muslim lands by
>> the British and French during the last century was the most  PROGRESSIVE
>> development  of  the  last MILLENIUM. [ emphasis added ]
>
>Well, at least I am lucky enough to finally comprehend the true meaning of
>the word `progress'!

When the French took over Morocco, Jews had to remove their  shoes  upon
leaving  the  mellah  (ghetto) because otherwise Jewish dirt might enter
Muslim areas.  Conditions for Jews and other non-Muslims in Libya, Yemen
and  Iran  (where  European  influence  was  smallest)  in the late 19th
century and early 20th century were worse  than  for  blacks  under  Jim
Crow.   Doing  away  with  Jim  Crow is considered good and progressive;
therefore wiping out Islam is good and progressive.

The inability of Muslims to concede that they might  just  have  treated
the former dhimmi (subject) peoples just a wee bit badly shows that they
are unfit to rule.  (See Rawls, Theory of Justice).

>>                                        No longer did non-muslims have to
>> grovel at the feet (literally) of Muslim overlords,  and  gradually  the
>> British and French were EXTERMINATING Muslim culture.  UNFORTUNATELY, in
>> the aftermath of World War II the British and French COULD  NOT  SUSTAIN
>> their  EMPIRES  and  once  more  the  Muslim  nations  lapsed into cruel
>> tyranny.  [ emphasis added ]

>I am not quite clear here. Just what kind of `extermination' do you have in
>mind? Is it the kind that Hitler had in mind for Jews or is it a `good' kind
>of extermination, like when you exterminate the roaches?

I  specifically  said  culture  not  people. (Why not say Hitler and the
Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Chief Islamic functionary  for  the  Jerusalem
area  and  war  criminal?)   Once Muslims transcend Islamic barbarism, I
expect  they  will  be  decent  people.   I  see  nothing   wrong   with
exterminating  Nazi  culture  or  Jim  Crow.   Unless  Islam  shows some
awareness of its flaws soon, behavior of Muslims puts Islam in the  same
category.  Iran shows there is no need to lie to vilify Islam.