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From: ken@qantel.UUCP (Ken Nichols@ex6193)
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Subject: A pridefull man's reaction to a Holy God.
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Date: Thu, 18-Oct-84 13:11:25 EDT
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David writes:

> In his "rebuttal" to Tim Maroney, Ken Nichols unwittingly does a really
> good job of supporting Tim Maroney.  Below are some representative excerpts
> from his article.  It took me about an hour to select these, and shorten some
> of the wordier parts.  There were many more things I could have included,
> but I want to be merciful to my readers, who have only a finite amount of
> time for reading.
> 
> **** Start of Excerpts ****

I will leave out my excerpts for space considerations, I trust you have read
my article.

After the excerpts, David continues,

> So, I think it is fair to sum up the above as follows:
> 1) Morality is whatever God says it is, because he can effortlessly blow
>    anyone who disagrees away.

That's right.  Now you have finally got the right idea.  God sets the standards
not AT&T (or anyone else) (no offense to AT&T).

> 2) We are all guilty of Adam's and Eve's rebelliousness.  We are all guilty of
>    crucifying Christ.  If this doesn't make sense to you, see rule 1.

We are all guilty of our own rebelliousness.  Adam and Eve were merely the ones
that started the fad.  Because of our sin of rebellion against God, Christ came
to die.  In this, we had a small part in killing Him.

> 3) God gave us free will, but people caught actually using it are subject to
>    eternal punishment.

You must have a queer definition of free will.  We have the free will to obey
God or to rebel against Him.  However, your eternal destiny depends on your
choice.

> 4) All mankind deserves eternal torment, not because of anything done
>    wrong, but just because.  See rule 1.  

All men are born in rebellion to God.  This act is sin and deserving
of punishment.

> 5) If you spend your life praising God, and insisting that you are undeserving
>    (lest you inadvertently stray into feeling pride), God may see fit to have
>    mercy on you, though you are slime.

This is somewhat true, though exagerated a bit.  Because of our praising God,
we see ourselves in the way God sees us.  This however is not all bad after
we have become saved.  God can then see past the sin that Christ died for and
commune with the man.  Christians view themselves in the light of God's
perfection, and in that light, strive (with His help) to become closer to
that perfection (though we will never achieve it in this life).  If we do
become pridefull for some reason, God will not dump us.  When we realize that
our pride is a sin and confess it, He will forgive us and renew that close
communion with us.

> I think the title of my article describes Ken Nichols's method for getting to
> heaven.  Below is my idea of the correct way to pray to Ken's god:

I think the title to your article was quite disgusting, and I would greatly
appreciate it if you would not refer to my God in your disgusting manerisms,
thank you!
  
> Oh, Lord, you are great and powerful; in your sight I am lower than a worm.
> You are wise and wonderful; I am but two-day-old maggot-infested dog shit to
> you.  If I lick your mighty feet, will you mercifully refrain from turning me
> into carp food?  If I kiss your holy ass will you resist the understandable
> urge to evaporate me on the spot?

The first sentence is true to a point.  Remember, God values the man, but not
his sin.  I stated that repeatedly in my article.  The second sentence could
not be farther from the truth (except that God IS wise and wonderfull).
Man is not even worthy to see God's feet, let alone lick them.  

The last statement is a good example of a prideful man's response to God.
It's classic.  You do not want to except the fact that there is a deity 
over you that you will be accountable to, so you flame at it.  Unless you
turn from that stinking sinfull pride, you will remain lost for eternity!

> 	Waiting for the lightning to strike,
> 	David Canzi, watdcsu!dmcanzi

Don't worry, yours will come.  Maybe not in this life, but certainly in the
one to come.

"...holding forth the                           Ken Nichols 
 word of life..." Phil. 2:16                    ...!ucbvax!dual!qantel!ken
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