Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ut-ngp.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!kjm From: kjm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Ken Montgomery) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: Birth control by ABORTION Message-ID: <1038@ut-ngp.UUCP> Date: Wed, 17-Oct-84 20:09:26 EDT Article-I.D.: ut-ngp.1038 Posted: Wed Oct 17 20:09:26 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 19-Oct-84 01:43:45 EDT Organization: U.Texas Computation Center, Austin, Texas Lines: 123 [Improve the world -- Eat red herring!] > To all concerned and thinking persons on this net: > I don't normally do this, but after last nights debate > I felt I have to speak out somewhere! > Facts presented and not disputed by the Democrat If it is indeed a *fact* (and therefore unquestionably true) how does one go about disputing it? > 1. 15,000,000 lives lost due to abortion > since 1973!!!!! > 2. 1,500,000 lives lost due to abortion > since the beginning of 1984!! As opposed to ~15 million lives mangled due to the unavailability of abortion?Are you aware, sir, that in countries where abortion is illegal, many thousands of women die or are permanently maimed each year from botched abortions? You seem to think that the life of the fetus is of higher value than that of its mother. This same justification was used for many years to prefer the life of the child over that of the mother in cases where both their lives were endangered in childbirth. Another variation on the theme was the doctors' leaving of the decision on whose life to spare to the father of the child or the woman's husband, or her legal guardian. No one asked the woman whether she wanted to live or die. I like to think that we live in a more enlightened age.... But many people such as yourself stick to the old ideas which brought so much misery to so many. Abortion is never a decision which is made lightly. A call to any agency which provides pregnancy testing services or problem preg- nancy referral services will show that people providing abortion services want patients to be informed. All options are discussed, psychological help is provided, and women are en- couraged to think about it in the light of their own personal values. If a woman should run into a service which seems to be pressing her into abortion, one would hope that she would have the intelligence to go somewhere else; but, unfortunately, many are not and are thus exploited by unscrupulous quacks who could not care less for her health. The anti-choice folks are to be applauded for railling against this travesty; by doing so, they insure that women receive care only from honest, caring, and reputable professionals. The tragedy is that, if abortion is once again made illegal, the only practitioners who will survive are the back-alley quacks and the unscrupulous money-grubbers who will kill women daily, or bleed them of their money (only rich women were able to get SAFE abortions when abortions were illegal). I finish with a wish to you on the order of your wish to us: May you be reincarnated as a desperate woman who gets a back-alley abortion and lives to tell about it. (At least, if we are reincarnated as fetuses who are to be aborted, we will never know the difference.) AJA > Now do any of you so called pro-choice advocates think that > all off these conceptions were caused by rape and incest??? No. Why is that relevant? > I suggest that abortion is a form of birth control for a > lot of people!! Really? On what basis? > What the hell if I get pregnant the Government > will pay to get rid of the little helpless baby that can't protest > or vote Republican! No, I believe that in most cases the government *will not* pay for abortion on demand. > > I sure would like to know how the Democrats and you pro-choice > advocates justify all of this birth control via murder of > helpless people. I'd like to know how all of you anti-choice people justify enslaving women by making them bear unwanted children! > I know I'm just talking into the wind! Gee, I thought you were just talking into the network... :-) > Your not going to change, > I just hope there is something like reincarnation and all you > pro choice advocates are the first to be aborted-wouldn't that > be funny?? > A very appalled > ED. VARNET I'm appalled that you wish on people the very thing that you are attempting to prevent! I am very glad that you are appalled. Please do something with all that energy and work toward making available more effective and safe birth control for more women AND men. Many people would like to take even the option of PREVENTING unwanted conceptions away from people. I sincerely hope that your personal value judgments do not include leaving every act of sexual intercourse open to conception. Just remember... YOU will not ever become pregnant (if I may assume your gender from your signature; please forgive me if I assumed wrongly), so you will never have to make any decision of that kind. Think about it. -- "Shredder-of-hapless-smurfs" Ken Montgomery ...!{ihnp4,seismo,ctvax}!ut-sally!ut-ngp!kjm [Usenet, when working] kjm@ut-ngp.ARPA [for Arpanauts only]