Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-athena.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!zehntel!dual!amd!decwrl!decvax!mit-athena!martillo From: martillo@mit-athena.ARPA (Joaquim Martillo) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Israel and Muslims Message-ID: <35@mit-athena.ARPA> Date: Sun, 14-Oct-84 21:55:10 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-athe.35 Posted: Sun Oct 14 21:55:10 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 17-Oct-84 05:32:59 EDT References: <625@ubc-vision.CDN> Organization: MIT, Project Athena, Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 41 >> From the North African non-Muslim point of view, the existence of Muslim >> states ANYWHERE is ILLEGITIMATE while the DOMINATION of Muslim lands by >> the British and French during the last century was the most PROGRESSIVE >> development of the last MILLENIUM. [ emphasis added ] > >Well, at least I am lucky enough to finally comprehend the true meaning of >the word `progress'! When the French took over Morocco, Jews had to remove their shoes upon leaving the mellah (ghetto) because otherwise Jewish dirt might enter Muslim areas. Conditions for Jews and other non-Muslims in Libya, Yemen and Iran (where European influence was smallest) in the late 19th century and early 20th century were worse than for blacks under Jim Crow. Doing away with Jim Crow is considered good and progressive; therefore wiping out Islam is good and progressive. The inability of Muslims to concede that they might just have treated the former dhimmi (subject) peoples just a wee bit badly shows that they are unfit to rule. (See Rawls, Theory of Justice). >> No longer did non-muslims have to >> grovel at the feet (literally) of Muslim overlords, and gradually the >> British and French were EXTERMINATING Muslim culture. UNFORTUNATELY, in >> the aftermath of World War II the British and French COULD NOT SUSTAIN >> their EMPIRES and once more the Muslim nations lapsed into cruel >> tyranny. [ emphasis added ] >I am not quite clear here. Just what kind of `extermination' do you have in >mind? Is it the kind that Hitler had in mind for Jews or is it a `good' kind >of extermination, like when you exterminate the roaches? I specifically said culture not people. (Why not say Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Chief Islamic functionary for the Jerusalem area and war criminal?) Once Muslims transcend Islamic barbarism, I expect they will be decent people. I see nothing wrong with exterminating Nazi culture or Jim Crow. Unless Islam shows some awareness of its flaws soon, behavior of Muslims puts Islam in the same category. Iran shows there is no need to lie to vilify Islam.