Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: notesfiles Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!hou3c!hocda!houxm!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hp-pcd!hp-dcde!jack From: jack@hp-dcde.UUCP (jack) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Re: fat at the recent L.A. Con II Message-ID: <2800002@hp-dcde.UUCP> Date: Sat, 15-Sep-84 19:12:00 EDT Article-I.D.: hp-dcde.2800002 Posted: Sat Sep 15 19:12:00 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 25-Sep-84 05:52:54 EDT References: <1039@shark.UUCP> Organization: Hewlett-Packard - Fort Collins, CO Lines: 37 Nf-ID: #R:shark:-103900:hp-dcde:2800002:000:1682 Nf-From: hp-dcde!jack Sep 15 15:12:00 1984 sdcrdcf!alan says: "Mclure, not expecting a bigoted response, using the stnd norms of beauty, found a surprising # of con-goers unattractive, and said so." Indeed, and I don't object to that. What I object to is when McLure said this: "I was surprised at the general lack of attention paid by many (not all, notice) con-goers to their appearance. I don't think I have ever seen a more unattractive bunch of people in my life. And the sad part is that they seemed to make no effort to improve their appearance." There's nothing wrong with McLure saying that the con-goers were unattractive. The problem is that he said that they don't pay attention to their appearance, and that they seemed to make no effort to improve their appearance. HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT!? The implication is: "Fat people are fat because they're lazy." Do you think fat people *like* being fat? Do you think that they've made a conscious decision to be fat? Sumo wrestlers, perhaps, but nobody else! Many fat people would give anything to lose their fat, and have been desperately trying for years and years, but can't. No effort, eh? Another non-fat person looking down on a fat person and calling him lazy. It's always a good argument to justify your feelings of superiority. Let's give it a try: Why are people fat? They're lazy and don't try to improve themselves. Why are people poor? They're too lazy to get a job. Why are people stupid? They're too lazy to educate themselves. You're not fat, McLure, and I hope you're not poor or you'd be a total loss. -Jack "God am I ever pissed!" Applin {hplabs,csu-cs,hp-pcd,nwuxd}!hp-dcd!jack