Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site uwmacc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hao!seismo!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois From: dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Kinds Message-ID: <286@uwmacc.UUCP> Date: Wed, 12-Sep-84 18:00:58 EDT Article-I.D.: uwmacc.286 Posted: Wed Sep 12 18:00:58 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 25-Sep-84 02:33:37 EDT Organization: UWisconsin-Madison Academic Comp Center Lines: 40 >[Phil Polli] >I would love to see a succinct, testable definition of "major kinds of plants >and animals". Here you go. This may not be good enough. Say so if not, and why. --- Gish, D. "Evolution - The Fossils Say No!", Creation-Life Publishers, 1973, San Diego. "We must here define what we mean by a basic kind. A basic animal or plant kind would include all animal or plants which were truly derived from a single stock. In present-day terms, it would be said that they have shared a common gene pool. All humans, for example, are within a single basic kind, _Homo sapiens_. In this case, the basic kind is a single species. In other cases, the basic kind may be at the genus level. It may be, for instance, that the various species of the coyote, such as the Oklahoma Coyote (_Canis frustor_), the Mountain Coyote (_C. Lestes_), the Desert Coyote (_C. estor_), and others, are of the same basic kind. It is possible, even likely, that this basic kind (which we may call the dog kind) includes not only all coyote species, but also the wolf (_Canis lupus_) and the dog (_Canis familiaris_)." [...] "In the above discussion, we have defined a basic kind as including all of those variants which have been derived from a single stock." --- Note that creationists do not deny variability that takes place within what is above defined as a kind. What is denied is that two kinds have a common ancestor. For example, dog and cat kinds would not be said to have a common ancestral kind. -- Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois "A nose, and two nostrils. That proves it."