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From: amir@digi-g.UUCP (Amir Vafaei)
Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics
Subject: Re: RE: Reagan's joke
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Date: Tue, 25-Sep-84 12:07:13 EDT
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Posted: Tue Sep 25 12:07:13 1984
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    >America is, in fact, the only nation in history which when given a
    >chance for world domination, refused it.    We had the atom bomb before
    >anyone else, and if we had behaved like any of the Caesars, Kaisers,
    >Khans, Soviets, Kings, Lords or "leaders", who came before us, we would
    >have cowed the world into submission.   Instead, Americans gave the
    >equivalent of billions dollars, to help europe to recover from a war
    >which the europeans started.

You apparently forget who used the first atomic bomb to bring Japan into 
submission.

    >We still spend billions to keep europe in peace.   Despite the Soviet
    >Union, there is more democracy on that contenent than there ever has
    >been in its entire history; all inspired and nurtured by America.  So
    >much so, that when we deal with anti-communist dictatorships, they
    >accuse us of not promoting freedom.

What are you trying to say?  That supporting dictatorships that kill thousands
of innocent women, men & children is okay, because it provide democracy for
the ellite??


    >The US prefers to call it realism.    We are not about to go invading
    >half the world installing democracy.   Such an idea is absurd.  Neither
    >can we turn our backs on dictatorships.   They will simply go to the
    >Soviet union.   So we "support" (i.e. trade with) many dictatorships.
    >Which, some people feel, makes us responsible for what goes on in those
    >countries.   But we also trade with the Soviet union, and I haven't
    >heard any complaints about the US supporting them from anybody.

The people with open mind prefere to call it, Imperialism.
You apparently don't pay attention to the news.  Granada did'nt happen a
century ago.  Nicaragua is happening now.  El Salvador also, and many other
countries.

Trading with a country is not the same as supporting that country.

    >I feel, if given our druthers, America would happily go off being
    >the isolationist nation we once were.   Rather than leaching out
    >our wealth on such a large standing army, we would happily let the
    >europeans blow themselves up in yet another round of wars, like they
    >always have.   It hurts even more to realize that many of the young
    >europeans don't even thank us, not even studying their own bloody
    >hiostory, preferring to put faith in idealistic notions about the
    >Soviet union "wanting peace".

You again apparently do not understand the economics of Capitalism.  Seems
to me you are talking based on your emotions rather than reality.

    >But of course, Piet doesn't understand this yet.   Maybe he never
    >will.  Neither do many West Germans.   But luckily, the Israelies
    >always have, and the French are begining to show some signs of
    >maturity as well....           so maybe not all hope is lost...

		    >Steven Maurer

I am not surprised that you accept Israel and France's foreign policy.

The French wanted to "keep democracy" in Viet-Nam.  And when they failed, 
U.S. tried to fill the gap.  The French also did the same in Africa.

As far as Israel is concerned, they are just U.S foreign policy
in Middle East.  What ever that the U.S. can not for political reason do over
there, Israel goes and finishes it.

Now every one knows what your meaning of "maturity" is.