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From: cher@ihuxj.UUCP (Mike Musing)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: moRE stupid arguments
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Date: Fri, 5-Oct-84 10:00:13 EDT
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>>The aspiring iconoclast just made it in a very big way, implying
>>that fetus is a member of society. That would require some
>>changes to our notions about what "member of society" is.
>>Any reasoning, maybe, to prove the necessity of such adjustments?
>
>GRRRRR!  Are you naturally stupid, or do you take lessons?
>
>I most certainly did *not* imply that.  I implied that Brian Peterson had
>*assumed* the opposite.  I pointed out that his *assumption* was question-
>begging.  SO:  ANY REASONING, MAYBE, TO PROVE THE ASSUMPTION?  If not, the
>argument I was criticizing is a complete flop.  I WAS NOT TRYING TO PROVE
>ANYTHING -- I WAS SHOWING THAT SOMETHING HAD NOT BEEN PROVEN.  THERE IS A
>WORLD OF DIFFERENCE.
>				--The undaunted iconoclast,
>				Paul V Torek, ihnp4!wucs!wucec1!pvt1047

What the hell, I can keep it up.

UFFFF! Are you feeble-minded due to birth defects or malnutrition?

Brian Peterson said that abortion does not harm members of society.
You called that question-begging. So you seem to be in doubt about 
that. WHO ARE THE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY THAT ARE HARMED? WHAT'S THE
HARM? If you did not mean fetuses what else did you mean?

Just in case you ment mothers, doctors, fathers: ASK THEM IF
THEY ARE HARMED. If they do not think so, the assumption is
much more credible then your "prove that you not a camel" type
objection.

The only good reason for rejecting the "assumption" in question is
classification of fetuses as members of society. My only mistake
was assuming that you wee capable of figuring out that much. Sorry.
                                Mike Musing
P.S. How about "Paul V Torek
                     - the medieval apologist"