Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site wucs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!mgnetp!we53!busch!wuphys!wucs!esk From: esk@wucs.UUCP Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: moRE stupid arguments Message-ID: <391@wucs.UUCP> Date: Wed, 3-Oct-84 14:46:56 EDT Article-I.D.: wucs.391 Posted: Wed Oct 3 14:46:56 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 5-Oct-84 04:34:59 EDT Distribution: net Organization: Washington U. in St. Louis, CS Dept. Lines: 39 This is a reposting.... I screwed up the earlier one and tried to cancel it. My apologies if this is a repeat. EK >>> Rape and murder harm members of society. Abortion does not. >>> Actions that do not harm society should not be restricted. >>> [and in a different article he says] >>> Almost everyone (I think) is for laws that say "don't do it because it >>> harms someone". There is a difference in those types of laws. >>> --Brian Peterson {ucbvax, ihnp4, } !tektronix!shark!brianp > >!! WOW does that beg the question! Shame on you! You can reason better >!! than that. Whether someone is harmed is PRECISELY the point at issue. > >The aspiring iconoclast just made it in a very big way, implying >that fetus is a member of society. That would require some >changes to our notions about what "member of society" is. >Any reasoning, maybe, to prove the necessity of such adjustments? > --Mike Musing GRRRRR! Are you naturally stupid, or do you take lessons? I most certainly did *not* imply that. I implied that Brian Peterson had *assumed* the opposite. I pointed out that his *assumption* was question- begging. SO: ANY REASONING, MAYBE, TO PROVE THE ASSUMPTION? If not, the argument I was criticizing is a complete flop. I WAS NOT TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING -- I WAS SHOWING THAT SOMETHING HAD NOT BEEN PROVEN. THERE IS A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE. --The undaunted iconoclast, Paul V Torek, ihnp4!wucs!wucec1!pvt1047 Please send any mail directly to this address, not the sender's. Thanks. p.s. Will Paul Dubuc please send me his net-address? He sent mail to me in reply to something I wrote here, but I accidentally lost his address.