Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site cepu.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!bmcg!cepu!scw From: scw@cepu.UUCP Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics Subject: Re: RE: Reagan's joke Message-ID: <351@cepu.UUCP> Date: Mon, 1-Oct-84 11:48:21 EDT Article-I.D.: cepu.351 Posted: Mon Oct 1 11:48:21 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 3-Oct-84 06:34:12 EDT References: <479@tty3b.UUCP> <1731@sdcc6.UUCP> <5971@mcvax.UUCP> <1380@qubix.UUCP> <246@digi-g.UUCP> Reply-To: scw@cepu.UUCP (Stephen C. Woods) Organization: VA Wadsworth Med. Center; LA CA Lines: 100 In article <246@digi-g.UUCP> amir@digi-g.UUCP (Amir Vafaei) writes: > > >America is, in fact, the only nation in history which when given a > >chance for world domination, refused it. We had the atom bomb before > >anyone else, and[...]tarted. > >You apparently forget who used the first atomic bomb to bring Japan into >submission. You still didn't address the fact that we REFUSED world domination. I won't get into a FLAMING MATCH re: the use of *2* (not 1) Atomic Bombs in WWII. That was throughly hacked over about 2 months ago. > > >We still spend billions to keep europe in peace. Despite the Soviet > >Union, there is more democracy on that contenent than there ever has > >been in its entire history; all inspired and nurtured by America. So > >much so, that when we deal with anti-communist dictatorships, they > >accuse us of not promoting freedom. > >What are you trying to say? That supporting dictatorships that kill thousands >of innocent women, men & children is okay, because it provide democracy for >the ellite?? Did you even read the preceding paragraph? > > > >The US prefers to call it realism. We are not about to go invading > >half the world installing [...]US supporting them from anybody. > >The people with open mind prefere to call it, Imperialism. >You apparently don't pay attention to the news. Granada did'nt happen a >century ago. Nicaragua is happening now. El Salvador also, and many other >countries. Imperialism?, You call that Imperialism? Then what, pray tell, do you call the current Soviet affair in Afganistan? A parlor game? > >Trading with a country is not the same as supporting that country. Sounds reasonable to me. > > >I feel, if given our druthers, America would happily go off being > >the isolationist nation we once were. Rather than leaching out > >our wealth on such a large standing army, we would happily let the > >europeans blow themselves up in yet another round of wars, like they > >always have. It hurts even more to realize that many of the young > >europeans don't even thank us, not even studying their own bloody > >hiostory, preferring to put faith in idealistic notions about the > >Soviet union "wanting peace". > >You again apparently do not understand the economics of Capitalism. Seems >to me you are talking based on your emotions rather than reality. Somehow I still have the feeling that you're not reading what the other chap said. > > >But of course, Piet doesn't understand this yet. Maybe he never > >will. Neither do many West Germans. But luckily, the Israelies > >always have, and the French are begining to show some signs of > >maturity as well.... so maybe not all hope is lost... > > >Steven Maurer > >I am not surprised that you accept Israel and France's foreign policy. > Yes, but not all of us do. >The French wanted to "keep democracy" in Viet-Nam. And when they failed, >U.S. tried to fill the gap. The French also did the same in Africa. > Ah, the French , well it just goes to show that when it's time to stop having external colonies it's time to stop. As I remember it the French were busy supressing a revolt by Frenchmen who DIDN'T want Algeria separated from France (Remember that Algeria was not a colony, but rather was a part of France). >As far as Israel is concerned, they are just U.S foreign policy >in Middle East. What ever that the U.S. can not for political reason do over >there, Israel goes and finishes it. I beg your pardon? Where did you ever get such a strange idea? Israel is its own boss, we have some negative control over them (threating to cut of supplys) if they do this that or the other, but we hardly control them. > >Now every one knows what your meaning of "maturity" is. And now it seems that everyone knows that you seem to lack any form of it. -- Stephen C. Woods (VA Wadsworth Med Ctr./UCLA Dept. of Neurology) uucp: { {ihnp4, uiucdcs}!bradley, hao, trwrb, sdcrdcf}!cepu!scw ARPA: cepu!scw@ucla-cs location: N 34 3' 9.1" W 118 27' 4.3"