Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!cbosgd!ihnp4!zehntel!dual!amd!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-apple!arndt From: arndt@apple.DEC Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Richard Johnson: Let's talk Apple to Apple! Message-ID: <3719@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Mon, 24-Sep-84 09:27:27 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.3719 Posted: Mon Sep 24 09:27:27 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Sep-84 07:42:55 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 61 What is the entire homosexual community going to do about pedophiles ? This assertion is about as ludicrous as asking the entire black community of the United States to "do" something about the Zebra killings in SF, that idiot who called Judiasm a "gutter religion", and any other persons who commit unusual acts and happen to be black. And, the heterosexual community has its share of pedophiles, too - do you intend to "do" something about that ? Why do you believe that the majority of pedophiles are gay ? I saw "Silent Shame" also and it was mostly about straights. Really, Ken, for someone who usually garners respect from this phosphor, you have gone a bit too far. Comments ? Richard Johnson > Need you ask if I have comments! Zebra killings are what a handful of blacks did - agreed. Child abuse is what a minority of homosexuals do - agreed. Now, watch closely, because I also agree that this may sound like convoluted reasoning and is pretty hard to get a handle on - hard to quantify. I don't think your point about blacks and homosexuals being analogous fits in this case, because blacks by and large have won their battle for acceptance, their moral case anyway. I think that very few, on hearing of the Zebra killings would say "isn't that just like blacks?". Indeed, that was your point, wasn't it. The question is, have the homosexuals gained acceptence as a rightful minority? Even they say no. Therefore, it seems to me that many if not most people, upon hearing of NAMBLA or the Rene Guyon Society WOULD link them with all homosexuals. Witness the concern over allowing homosexual teachers!! Now homosexuals say that they should not be viewed this way - you have heard their statements on this net vis a vis teaching. Homosexuals may be right in their statements but I don't think that they have gotten the agreement of the majority of parents out there, do you? Ergo, if access to the workplace, etc. is an issue the homosexual community still has some work to do. See my recent posting (ignore the swamp gas he engenders from me) to Steve Dyer on this point. I never said that the "Silent Shame" T.V. show was strictly about homosexuals!!! Only that it highlighted an interview with the Rene Guyon Society. I referenced the show as another source of information about them. I don't know where you got the idea that I believe child abuse is strickly or even mostly a homosexual issue! I just reread my posting on "chickenhawks" and I would like you to do the same. My exact wording was: "Did anyone see the T.V. show 'Silent Shame'? They MENTIONED (italics mine!!) chickenhawks." I really don't see how you leap from that statement to my saying it was a homosexual theme show and I believe, etc. Well, thanks for your comments. Any comments on my comments?? Keep chargin' Ken Arndt