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From: arndt@lymph.DEC
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Subject: Room for everyone????
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Date: Thu, 20-Sep-84 12:54:34 EDT
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Posted: Thu Sep 20 12:54:34 1984
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To Rich Brower, et al:

Chickenhawks indeed!!!!

Is this discussion going to turn into another piece of homogenized crap
on the general topic of homosexual "lifestyles" without anyone other than
myself speaking up?  Despite Ken Perlow's assertion to the contrary, I very
clearly said I was speaking against PROMISCUOUS behavior and invited others
to examine that as a "lifestyle" issue in light of its physical (AIDS, etc.)
and psychological implications.  I believe I remember one, maybe two people
addressing the issue as minor points in their postings.

Did anyone see the recent T.V. "Silent Shame" show about child abuse?  They
mentioned "chickenhawks".  Had a member of the Rene Guyon Society (10,000
members in the U.S.) who came right out and SAID what they say in their
literature!  They have a RIGHT to our kids!!!!!!  WE are wrong for not letting
them have them!!!  They want LAWS!!!  Hey, the "right" SS will march if 
this gets anywhere.  

SO OTHER THAN A FEW WEAK, "I DON'T WANT YOUR KIDS", HOW DO THE MEMBERS OF
THE NET FEEL?   For, against, won't march with them, not your problem (if you
believe that you're crazy), might even speak out against them (Why?)???

But read from their literature:

ANAL COPULATION

At age 4, and sometimes sooner, both male and female children WANT (italics
theirs), can easily hold after massage, and will be allowed to have a teen-
ager or older male's condom-covered penis in their anus.  Tiny children will
be required to wear a small "finger stall" or "finger cot" (obtainable from
a drug store) condom from age 4 or any earlier age that they start penetrating
male and female anuses.  99% of the day there is no fecal matter in the anus.
No enema is required.

ORAL COPULATION

At age 4, and sometimes sooner, both male and female children WANT, can easily
hold, and will be allowed to have a tiny child, teenager, or older male's penis
in their mouth.  This will bring an end to thumbsucking.  The child will at 
last get valuable hormones that appear in the mature male's ejaculate that have
been denied children in the past.  Very young, teenage and adult females will
be allowed to provide sexual satisfaction with their mouths and tongues to the
penis and clitoris of young children.

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And it goes on, PENIS-VAGINA COPULATION, MASTURBATION, NUDITY ALONE WITH NO
SEXUAL ACTIONS, but I'm sick of typing what I'm typing.
                                       
The main purpose of the organization is to convince the public that all laws
controlling nonconsensual sex must be abolished.

The above are part of a promotional package handed out by the Society as a
summary of the revisions to the California Penal Code proposed by them.
Sections PC286 Anal Copulation, PC288a Oral Copulation, see also PC261.1
Penis-Vagina Copulation and PC288 & 288.1 Masturbation of a Child.
(See THE HOMOSEXUAL NETWORK: PRIVATE LIVES AND PUBLIC POLICY, The Devin Adair
Co., by Enrique T. Rueda, 1982, p.177ff.)

NOW PLEASE NOTE:  I am NOT trying to tar all homosexuals with the same brush.
I am asking the homosexual community just what they propose to do about these
people in their movement. (I know what I propose to do)  Something, nothing??

It would really freak me out to see you pass over this topic as if it were
like wearing women's undergarments.

Question:  Is this a topic that is just to early to push for acceptance by
the public?  I mean, after the law recognizes homosexual "rights" is this
the next barrier?  Is there any last barrier?  Or will someone really marry
a tree?

Awaiting the two types of reply,

Ken Arndt

"Who knows what evil lerks in the hearts of homosexuals?  Ken Arndt knows"

"When you've got your ammo, you've got it ALL"