Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-athena.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!zehntel!dual!amd!decwrl!decvax!mit-athena!martillo From: martillo@mit-athena.ARPA (Joaquim Martillo) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Who is a Jew (Mr. Martillo's bark worse than his bite!) Message-ID: <23@mit-athena.ARPA> Date: Sun, 7-Oct-84 11:19:35 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-athe.23 Posted: Sun Oct 7 11:19:35 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 10-Oct-84 04:17:16 EDT References: <1438@ittvax.UUCP>, <223@fisher.UUCP> <225@mit-athena.ARPA>, <253@fisher.UUCP> <255@mit-athena.ARPA>Re: Who is a Jew (Mr. MartilSun, 7-Oct-84 08:19:35 PDT Organization: MIT, Project Athena, Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 24 I think we have a confusion here between reported and unreported brutality and slaughter. The Czarists were brutal but were not particularly interested in covering their tracks. The worst Czarist slaughter I have read was the Kishenev massacre (~30 people). Compare this to the Damascus massacre (~25 years earlier) of ~50 people in a city with 1/20 the Jewish population. The point is in Kishenev many witnesses survived to tell the story. With the Soviets as with the Muslims earlier there were hardly ever any surviving witnesses. By the end of Stalin's regime, there were almost no surviving Rabbis outside of oriental provinces. Almost all Jewish intellectuals (including all major Yiddish writers) had been shot by 1952. Almost every Synogogue outside of oriental provinces had been destroyed. To this day Hebrew instruction is illegal and no school is permitted to function in Yiddish or Judeopersian. At least at all time periods under the Czars Jews were free to leave. The Soviets and Czarists have hated Jews and would kill Jews for that hatred but the Czarists never considered maintenance of Jewish identity an executable offence. The Soviets have and seem to be moving in that direction once again. Once again David Rubin shows his fossilized mentality, and is unable to accept that the enemies of enemies of the Jews might also be enemies of the Jews. In terms of dissemination of antiSemitic propaganda and aid to peoples who want to kill Jews the Soviets have surpassed all enemies of the Jews except for Hitler.