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From: gerber@mit-athena.ARPA (Andrew S Gerber)
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Subject: One Last Flame at Arndt
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Date: Tue, 2-Oct-84 21:07:36 EDT
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Posted: Tue Oct  2 21:07:36 1984
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Ken,
  I thought this might be of use to you after your last posting.
  It is extracted from:

              A Primer on How to Work With the USENET Community
                        Chuq Von Rospach (nsc!chuqui)

        
     and should remind you that we all are human, and have to live on
     this planet together, for better or for worse:

(also, see NYTimes, Oct 2, front page science section)

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           Never Forget that the Person on the Other Side is Human

  Because your interaction with the network is through a computer it is easy
  to forget that there are people "out there." Situations arise where
  emotions erupt into a verbal free-for-all that can lead to hurt feelings.

  Please remember that people all over the world are reading your words.  Do
  not attack people if you cannot persuade them with your presentation of
  the facts.  Screaming, cursing, and abusing others only serves to make
  people think less of you and be less willing to help you when you need it.

  If you are upset at something or someone, wait until you have had a chance
  to calm down and think about it.  A cup of coffee or a good night's sleep
  works wonders on your perspective.  Hasty words create more problems than
  they solve.  Try not to say anything to others you would not say to them
  in person in a room full of people.

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Now, lets see what juicy lines we find from Ken:

      Ken->         And never to know that one woman
                    who above all others fills your life as a woman, to 
                    stand beside her as she gives birth to your child -
                    Doesn't hurt you?  YOU LEAPING SCREAMING ASSHOLE!!

Ken, sometimes I wonder why I reply.  I should just stand back and let
you dig your own grave.  Does it surprise you to know that I take
personal offense at your comments?  Would you like to be called a
LEAPING SCREAMING ASSHOLE?  That's pretty rude, Ken.  If I was female, I
sure hope that I wouldn't have to 'fill your life.'  It must be a pretty
tedious job.
                       
          Ken->     Some laws against homosexuals ARE being enforced (in the
                    armed forces, - try waving it around in the park as a sign
                    of "affection" in the heartland or here in New Hampster
                    and see if the laws are being enforced).

I don't really want to imagine what 'waving it around in the park'
means.  Whatever it is, I don't do it.  And am I my brother
(homosexual's) keeper?  Well, they can do what they want, but PLEASE
don't assume that all gay people are the same, Ken.  It's really the
minority that have bathroom sex, visit the baths, get AIDS.  Did you
know that according to the Center for Disease Control, the average AIDS
patient (gay male with AIDS) had more than 60 sexual partners a year?
And the percentage of those partners that were found in bathhouses were
about 85%.  I'm NOT trying to justify this, I think it's AWFUL, but
please don't paint us all with the same brush.  That's like saying that
all black people are stupid and walk around carrying ghetto blasters. It
MAY be TRUE in a few cases, but BY and LARGE it's a gross
generalization.

Ken-->              And of course we know that things are not going to revert
                    to the bad old days in the closet, right?  Wrong bozo.
                    See below.
                    
Bozo?  Read the paragraphs on top again, once or twice.                                                                                  
Ken-->             I'm reminded of the first Russian soldiers into Berlin.
                   They were very well behaved towards the civilians.  Just
                   interested in killing German soldiers.  But one of them
                   is quoted as saying, "Look out for those who come behind
                   us.  They are pigs."  He was right.  And my point here is
                   that you might be a lot better off than you think if I DID
                   set the values.  I'm not for putting you all in jail - yet!

(THANK YOU, ken. You're SO kind. *sarcasm*)

                       A sea story-> (oh goody) To illustrate my limits.
                       I remember being in a long line in boot camp, short
                       arm inspection or something, and there was this guy
                       on the floor in the hall who couldn't take the whole
                       boot camp bit and was crying.  I felt so bad I wanted
                       to step out of line and comfort him.  Some of the other
                       guys were kicking him as they went by.  By the time I
                       came abreast of him I had decided to kick him too.  So
                       I did!  It's great to be part of a tradition!!

(It's great to be an a--hole)
(Sorry.  I guess I should read the top, also)

                       Now the point of that little sea story, in case you
                       missed it, is that there are values and there are
                       values.

Tell me Ken, when you see someone suffering, do you enjoy making them
suffer more?  And PLEASE STOP this 'military defense' of your points.  I
KNOW (from extrapolation on personal experience) that there are
THOUSANDS of gays in the military around the country.  And they serve
their country well.  Stop thinking that people are EXCLUSIVLY gay.  That
is not the case.  Being gay is NOT the #1 thing in the lives of many
homosexuals.  (I'll admit, though, it is the #1 thing for SOME people)

                As for your statement that homosexual behavior is becoming more
                accepted, why there is evidence that that is just not so, even
                with the new T.V. shows. We are just now entering into the time

(Sorry.  I don't watch tv, nor have the time or desire to do so.)

                when the baby boomers are coming of age and THEY are the ones
                who will be setting the values over the next quarter century!
                Guess what?  They are more conservative than their parents!
                Read the poles.  They are by a huge majority for Reagan and

(I have never tried to read a polish person.  They might get mad)

                his values.  You do know where he stands on the moral issue
                don't you?  

One of the BEST things about Raygun :-) is that he HASN'T done to much
about moral issues.  And with a son like his...... (two :-)

Andy:--> (from prev. posting)
>And in reference to pedophelia, it DOES NOT BELONG HERE!  Pedophelia is
>not limited to gays AT ALL, why stick it on us.  Sure, it's  a  problem
>but  in  the  same  way  murder is a problem around society, it's not a
>specifically GAY problem.

                ** Keep saying that, . . . as the mob puts the rope around
                   your chicken neck.  Besides I'm only calling you on the
                   part that IS your problem - the gays who ARE pedophelia
                   prone.  But I feel I've answered this in my replies to
                   Richard Johnson and Steve Dyer.
  
  Are they my problem, Ken?  I'm not so sure.  Are  the  whites  in  the
ghetto  your problem?  Are the men who rape little girls 'your' problem?
Also, read the paragraph atop this posting AGAIN!  What do you mean by
'chicken neck'? You're getting REALLY rude. I'm sure you'll be
leading  that mob, Ken, but I intend to meet you (and whatever mob you've
gathered) with a machine gun and plenty of bullets.

 
 Ken-->          I just know you'll wake up tomorrow morning and say I was
                 right and go out and grab a woman.  (If you get stuck on
                 what to do after you grab call me.)   

Ken, that's really funny.  Havn't you ever had anyone tell you how the
gay guys get all the girls?  Do you think I havn't at least TRIED it
with one (or two...) girls.  Maybe YOU should call ME when YOU need
help.
		 			
Ken--->	               Shiiiiiit!

I won't say it again.


Ken-->           Love ya,
                  Ken Arndt    				

Y'know Ken... I love ya too.  You're really an interesting person.
Misinformed, reactionary, slightly insane, but very interesting.
I'd love to meet you some time (being that we both work for
|d|i|g|i|t|a|l| in one way or another, we might.)


				Andrew Gerber
				decvax!mit-athena!gerber

P.S. Hey, everyone out there who's reading this.  I'd appreciate some
feedback. I didn't cook all this up in a minute.  Send me mail.