Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1.chuqui 4/7/84; site apple.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!hou3c!hocda!houxm!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!nsc!voder!apple!richard From: richard@apple.UUCP (Richard Johnson) Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Re: Richard Johnson: Let's talk Apple to Apple! Message-ID: <3228@apple.UUCP> Date: Mon, 1-Oct-84 01:35:01 EDT Article-I.D.: apple.3228 Posted: Mon Oct 1 01:35:01 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 27-Sep-84 04:25:43 EDT References: <3719@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: Apple Education Research Group, Cupertino CA Lines: 31 [manges-moi] Ken, Wherever did you get the idea that blacks have won their battle ? Just because the legislation exists doesn't make them 100% free yet. I'm sure I don't need to give you examples. But then, neither are *any* groups (I won't use minorities here - the WASPs will soon be the minority) 100% free from the primitive prejudices of Our Wonderful Country. You and I both know there is a white, predominantly male ruling class. Period. To what degree acceptance is made shouldn't be an issue. Thirty years ago, blacks were in just about as high favor as gays. If not worse, due to their visibility in the society. Sure, they've paid their dues. We gave them no choice. Ditto homosexuals. Where is the logic in disputing another's right to LIVING AS THEY PLEASE, when your forebearers fought for the same thing ? If not you yourself ? I could be wrong, but sometimes I think you still are stinging from your own search for *whatever*, and want to make sure others have a tough time. Fuck this issue of genetics/hormones/choice/too much peanut butter before age 13. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO JUST LIVING YOUR LIFE AS YOU PLEASE ? I don't advocate messing with other people's lives, either. But then, I have told a Baptist preacher to go fuck himself to his face for bothering me with his paranoid convictions. An analogy I read recently: Why can't homosexuality be like buying shoes ? Just because you don't like the shoes doesn't mean you run into the shoe store and bludgeon the owner. I hear you on the AIDS issue and promiscuity. I hear you on unsafe sexual practices in general, exclusive of preferences. I hear you on pedophiles. But your arguement about 'we still have to pay dues' (not any sort of quote) is falling on deaf ears. I know that. What would you like to do to help ? Richard Johnson