Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utcsrgv.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!dave From: dave@utcsrgv.UUCP (Dave Sherman) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Shabbat electricity and geder Message-ID: <62@utcsrgv.UUCP> Date: Wed, 3-Oct-84 20:40:45 EDT Article-I.D.: utcsrgv.62 Posted: Wed Oct 3 20:40:45 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 3-Oct-84 20:47:12 EDT References: <1520@ucf-cs.UUCP> Reply-To: dave@utcsrgv.UUCP (& Sherman) Organization: The Law Society of Upper Canada, Toronto Lines: 32 In article <1520@ucf-cs.UUCP> yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid) writes: ~| It seems to me that if a person desires to be observant, then s/he knows best ~| how much safety fence s/he needs and even if the advice of the rabbis is sought ~| (a healthy thing), there would be no need to impose it as a law since the ~| observant person who sought such advice would want to do it. The story is told (in the Talmud, I believe) of the scholar who learned the reason why one is not permitted to study on Shabbos by the light of an oil lamp - because one might turn up the wick. Since he knew the reason for the prohibition and that he would not turn up the wick, he decided it was OK for him to read by the light of an oil lamp. He became engrossed in what he was reading and absentmindedly turned up the wick as the flame began to fail. I believe the same principle applies to other "fences". We should not strive to break them down, or we will be in danger of violating the prohibitions they are there to protect. Furthermore, the Torah tells us to abide by the laws as set down by the Rabbis of our day; hence, rabbinic prohibitions carry the weight of the Torah with them. People are human. Except for those who have the attitude that they should always try to be more "machmir" on a mitzvah (and there is certainly something to be said for this approach from a spiritual point of view), people will normally look for routes, within the bounds of halachah, to make their life easier. An eruv for carrying on Shabbos is a good example. Well-defined laws with well-defined fences are, I feel, necessary to balance this tendency. Dave Sherman Toronto -- { allegra cornell decvax ihnp4 linus utzoo }!utcsrgv!dave