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From: aeq@pucc-h (Jeff Sargent)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Re: Saint DuBois, Sinner Kulawiec
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Date: Thu, 20-Sep-84 20:51:37 EDT
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Posted: Thu Sep 20 20:51:37 1984
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From Rich Kulawiec (pucc-h:rsk):

>	Oh, Paul (DuBois)...given a choice between your vision of the
>	heavenly hereafter, and the "flaming pits of hell"; I think I'd
>	opt for whichever one you (and like-minded folks) weren't
>	currently occupying.

Why?  Don't you like the idea of transformed lives?

>	Based on my ideas of how the universe works, this is of course
>	a null statement, since this *is* no hereafter; based on yours,
>	I s'pose it means you can expect a postcard from hell eventually.

I have never understood why those who believe they are just going to die,
and that'll be the end, bother living.  If all there is is experiencing
various facets of life -- growth, pleasure, relating, whatever -- with nothing
eternal to which these experiences can be added; if all there is is the physical
body; why do you people bother?

>	Still laughing with the sinners,

Perhaps "the sinners have much more fun", as Billy Joel said in the song this
is alluding to -- in the short term.  But how are you going to have fun if your
"fun" is of the self-destructive nature that wrecks your health or kills you
at an early age?

And anyway, I have seen that "saints" can have genuine fun without indulging
in a lot of the actions usually associated with the "sinners".  It is possible
to have a good time on earth and still go to Heaven; so what do you gain by
refusing the second to concentrate on the first?

-- 
-- Jeff Sargent
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"Jesus looked Death in the eye, and Death blinked first."