Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site eosp1.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!princeton!eosp1!robison From: robison@eosp1.UUCP (Tobias D. Robison) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Re: violence Message-ID: <1177@eosp1.UUCP> Date: Tue, 16-Oct-84 12:50:22 EDT Article-I.D.: eosp1.1177 Posted: Tue Oct 16 12:50:22 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 17-Oct-84 06:36:16 EDT References: <328@mako.UUCP> <597@gloria.UUCP> Reply-To: robison@eosp1.UUCP (Tobias D. Robison) Organization: Exxon Office Systems, Princeton Lines: 48 > For those of you who believe that the sole motive for all rape is violence: > > Do you honestly believe that there are no men in the world that are so > desperate for sex that they would, and do, force a woman into unwilling > sexual intercourse? I'd like to introduce a new, important point of view into this discussion. Have all of you had the experience of trying to force a living organism with reasonably strong muscles to do something against its will? Don't you realize what an unpleasnt experience this is? For purposes of this discussion, let's assume that a man tries to force a woman who is unwilling, and she attempts to resist him with her strength. If you have even tried to force a squirrel or a dog to do something it doesn't want to do, you know that regardless of the original intent, one is soon aware of a STRUGGLE. The other creature, or person, is fighting, and is indicating a total mental disengagement from whatever the forcer has in mind. Even if you are simply feeding a pill to an unwilling dog, you must concentrate primarily on the struggle, and it is impossible to avoid receiving the communication of the other creature that it detests what you are doing and is trying to thwart you in every way it finds acceptable. If a man is trying to force a woman who is a stranger to him, the violence, and the lack of communication, are surely even more notable than if the woman is known. To get a vague idea of the difference, one might compare forcing a strange dog, as opposed to your own beloved pet, to do something. My point in all these cases is this: You can surely realize, from your own comparable experience, that for any sane person, the attempt to force a woman would become a stuggle concerned with violence. Only a man who is mentally quite maladjusted could tune out the message of the struggle and continue to behave as if the circumstances of the encounter were essentially sexual. Now look at this situation from the woman's point of view. Her attacker is either satisfied to engage primarily in an event of violence, or is behaving so insanely that the violence occurring is irrelevant to what he is observing. In either case, the woman is a victim of violence. - Toby Robison (not Robinson!) allegra!eosp1!robison or: decvax!ittvax!eosp1!robison or (emergency): princeton!eosp1!robison