Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site timeb.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!houxm!vax135!timeinc!timeb!dwight From: dwight@timeb.UUCP (Dwight Ernest) Newsgroups: net.columbia,net.aviation Subject: Re: No joy? Message-ID: <20@timeb.UUCP> Date: Mon, 8-Oct-84 23:17:51 EDT Article-I.D.: timeb.20 Posted: Mon Oct 8 23:17:51 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 9-Oct-84 04:18:34 EDT References: <586@ihlts.UUCP> Organization: Time, Inc. - New York Lines: 22 Concerning the origin of the phrase, "no joy," which I've heard on various civil aviation radio frequencies where it seems to mean, "I don't have the traffic in sight," I think it means exactly that, and that's where it has its origin... fighter pilots, reputed to be the famed macho warriors, unlike their portrayal as sensitive, caring husbands, fathers, and lovers as in "Call to Glory" (a show I enjoy a great deal, incidentally), are SUPPOSED to get a great deal of "joy," you see, upon sighting their quarry as pointed out to them by sighters and ground and airborne radar operators... therefore, from the radio call, "no joy," we can surmise they haven't sighted the b*st*rds yet. I think it's just carried over into civil aviation, where all pilots (at least those I know) enjoy emulating their heroes (in such ways as adopting a pseudo-Texan accent, like that of the hero of "Right Stuff") whether they have a military background or not. I think. -- --Dwight Ernest KA2CNN \ Usenet:...vax135!timeinc!dwight Time Inc. Editorial Technology Group, New York City Voice: (212) 554-5061 \ Compuserve: 70210,523 \ EIES: 1228 Telemail: EDPISG/TIMEINC \ MCI: DERNEST