Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site bbncca.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!cbosgd!ihnp4!bbncca!sdyer From: sdyer@bbncca.ARPA (Steve Dyer) Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Re: Reply to Steve Dyer Message-ID: <960@bbncca.ARPA> Date: Mon, 24-Sep-84 22:19:07 EDT Article-I.D.: bbncca.960 Posted: Mon Sep 24 22:19:07 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Sep-84 07:40:06 EDT References: <3715@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: Bolt, Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 33 To make a comment about the phrase which set Arndt off, "chickenhawk", I have always seen that used, not to describe child molesters, but those who are attracted to slim, usually blond, boys just "this side" of legal age, and those lucky enough (UGGH) to keep that look as they get older. Of course, I don't know whether such people "card" their acquaintances first, but we are now discussing the gray area of the age of consent, where reasonable people may disagree. I am not going to waste my time defending someone's right to a 16 year old, but at the same time, if a 16 year old has the right to marry and have kids, it seems logical to presume that there isn't quite as much "victimization" present there as, say, with a younger child. Mom and Dad may disagree; I prefer not to take any stand at all. Anyway, my point is that I interpreted the phrase differently than you did. By the way, just what IS this big national gay network you are referring to? And what's the "central message?" I'd like to know just what is happening. Sometimes I feel life is just passing me by in this hick town... Where do I suscribe? Both the National Gay Task Force and the Gay Rights National Lobby have repeatedly made public statements disassociating themselves with the aims of pedophile organizations. Naturally, we are lucky if any of them gained more than the back pages of the daily newspapers, if at all. Which brings us to the crux of the issue. You seem to see the limited "P.R." ability of the gay community as due to lack of trying. It is much more complicated than that. Naturally one would like the "message" to get across to as many people as possible -- /Steve Dyer {decvax,linus,ima}!bbncca!sdyer sdyer@bbncca.ARPA