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From: gam@amdahl.UUCP (Gordon A. Moffett)
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Subject: Re: One Last Flame at Arndt
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Date: Thu, 4-Oct-84 16:47:51 EDT
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Posted: Thu Oct  4 16:47:51 1984
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Andrew, I think you and many other people are missing a lot that
Ken has to say.  (Yes, I'm serious!).

His anecdote about kicking the guy in boot camp was an interesting
point that no matter how wonderful and loving we think we are
we like to follow the crowd ('we' is us people generally).  (Ironically
enough, that appears to be the attitude taken towards Ken by some
readers of this newsgroup).

One of Ken's points is that many homosexuals may be kidding themselves
that things are just getting better and will continue to do so.
I agree that things are better for Gay people -- in urban centers
and tolerant communities; but what about in The Sticks, in
Podunk, etc?

Further, Ken points out that this air of liberal tolerance can disappear
at any time -- Mr. Falwell reaches far more people than any Gay spokespeople.
Ken is right on this point, too, and I think that is something to
worry about.  Not that Mr. Falwell does not have his right to speak
but that there isn't really "equal time" (and no I don't suggest
legal enforcement of equal time, either).

Ken is an abbrasive annoying person, but he makes many points I think
should be heeded.  I am beginning to believe that he IS trying help Gay
people, in his own irritating insulting way.  It's just that by paying
attention to the form and not the content, you're missing it.

A while ago, in my last defense of Ken Arndt, someone said something
like "oh, he quotes some shit from Masters and Johnson and you're
impressed."  It just so happens that I have read the same "shit"
myself, and I was trying to point out that the information wasn't
biased but everyone else thought it was because if Ken Arndt said it
it can't be true.  I don't see how people can delude themselves like
this...

Also quoting the Net Etiquette to Ken won't help.  He's clearly
beyond that now.  Not that his behavior is something you want
to encourage, of course, but Ken doesn't strike me as someone
who'd fall on his knees begging forgiveness for transgressing
against Rules of Etiquette.

Finally, I am not entirely thrilled of speaking in support of Ken Arndt,
but I've always enjoyed taking the (in this case) minority viewpoint,
especially when it offers something of value.

I do have some rebuttals for Ken to be posted later, but I didn't
want to join the "Let's beat up Ken" crowd.

Again, don't mistake the form for the content.
-- 
Gordon A. Moffett			...!{ihnp4,hplabs,amd,nsc}!amdahl!gam

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