Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihuxq.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!ihuxq!ken From: ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: rape and violence Message-ID: <1278@ihuxq.UUCP> Date: Mon, 8-Oct-84 09:32:56 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxq.1278 Posted: Mon Oct 8 09:32:56 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 9-Oct-84 03:44:15 EDT References: <3029@hlexa.UUCP>, <10400010@acf4.UUCP>, <1263@ihuxq.UUCP>, <170@hocse.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 33 -- >> No, Ken, it's you that are aggravating. >> Ya, if she says nay its rape, ya, ya we hear you. >> But for every case where the guy actually rapes someone >> in a situation like this, there are probably 100s where >> he meekly backs off and respects her wishes. Say what? I was just accusing the nerd who went to great lengths to concoct an "Is it rape or isn't it?" scenario of closet misogyny. The misogyny above is a lot more blatant. What's this "meekly backs off" crap? If these guys were "real men" what would they do? >> Most men, I expect, would prefer a more open and honest >> relationship that did not include either threats/blackmail from men >> or women being coy/teasing. It is just plain wrong for >> women to toy with men sexually. And vice versa. No, wait! What does "wrong" mean? It's a crime? It deserves punishment, as in "she was asking for it"? That's sick. >> Let's stop arguing about all this nitpicking stuff(is it rape?, >> is she a slut?, etc) and get on to some higher level discussions. Good idea. In fact, that was the whole point of my original article. -- *** *** JE MAINTIENDRAI ***** ***** ****** ****** 08 Oct 84 [17 Vendemiaire An CXCIII] ken perlow ***** ***** (312)979-7188 ** ** ** ** ..ihnp4!ihuxq!ken *** ***