Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihuxj.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!ihuxj!cher From: cher@ihuxj.UUCP (Mike Musing) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: moRE stupid arguments Message-ID: <710@ihuxj.UUCP> Date: Fri, 5-Oct-84 10:00:13 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxj.710 Posted: Fri Oct 5 10:00:13 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 6-Oct-84 05:26:52 EDT References: <391@wucs.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 37 >>The aspiring iconoclast just made it in a very big way, implying >>that fetus is a member of society. That would require some >>changes to our notions about what "member of society" is. >>Any reasoning, maybe, to prove the necessity of such adjustments? > >GRRRRR! Are you naturally stupid, or do you take lessons? > >I most certainly did *not* imply that. I implied that Brian Peterson had >*assumed* the opposite. I pointed out that his *assumption* was question- >begging. SO: ANY REASONING, MAYBE, TO PROVE THE ASSUMPTION? If not, the >argument I was criticizing is a complete flop. I WAS NOT TRYING TO PROVE >ANYTHING -- I WAS SHOWING THAT SOMETHING HAD NOT BEEN PROVEN. THERE IS A >WORLD OF DIFFERENCE. > --The undaunted iconoclast, > Paul V Torek, ihnp4!wucs!wucec1!pvt1047 What the hell, I can keep it up. UFFFF! Are you feeble-minded due to birth defects or malnutrition? Brian Peterson said that abortion does not harm members of society. You called that question-begging. So you seem to be in doubt about that. WHO ARE THE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY THAT ARE HARMED? WHAT'S THE HARM? If you did not mean fetuses what else did you mean? Just in case you ment mothers, doctors, fathers: ASK THEM IF THEY ARE HARMED. If they do not think so, the assumption is much more credible then your "prove that you not a camel" type objection. The only good reason for rejecting the "assumption" in question is classification of fetuses as members of society. My only mistake was assuming that you wee capable of figuring out that much. Sorry. Mike Musing P.S. How about "Paul V Torek - the medieval apologist"