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From: bprice@bmcg.UUCP
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Subject: Re: Defeating Reagan matters most?
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Date: Mon, 8-Oct-84 19:59:43 EDT
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Posted: Mon Oct  8 19:59:43 1984
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Reply-To: bprice@bmcg.UUCP (Bill Price)
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Summary: 

I had posted an article under this subject, contrasting Mondale's call for
revenge with Reagan's even-tempered rejection of revenge as a basis for US
foreign policy.  That article pointed out that revenge has often been the
proximate cause of major war.

In article  chabot@dec-amber.UUCP responds:
>
>Whoah, Bill, you're going to give people the impression that you think world 
>wars are really caused these triggers.  Nonsense.  WWI caused by the 
>assasination of Archduke Ferdinand?--nope, the reason is the time was ripe;
>Ferdinand was viewed as a bad apple by certain groups, but world wars don't
>start because one person gets assasinated.  Pearl Harbor starting WWII?--gee
>lots of Europe thought WWII had started years before that; and in fact, the
>feeling of the US populace was that we were going to get involved very soon:
>the bombing of Pearl Harbor just hastened things (and the bombing was viewed
>as more of a threat of invasion than just something to retaliate against).

It's not clear whether Lisa was misreading what I said, or doesn't know that
Hitler's 'rise to power' was based on his reinforcement of the German people's
belief that they had been shafted at Versailles--Hitler's program relied
heavily on revenge against (primarily) the French.

>A more realistic cause for war is "The US economic sanctions against Japan ->
>Pearl Harbor".  

What I said was that Pearl Harbor was a bit of Japanese revenge for those
sanctions.

>                This is more like it.  That's what war is about: economics.

I would be more inclined to say that the fundamental cause of war is greed,
which is much more specific just economics.  But the discussion was not
about fundamental causes, but proximate ones--in the original, the word was
"trigger".

Back to the point we started with--Mondale's call for revenge vs Reagan's
rejection of it.  Lisa ends her response with an observation that I would like
to emphasize.  I want to emphasize it, because I hope you will remember it
should you be tempted to vote for Mondale, and his warlike philosophy, come
November:
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*  >The cry of revenge is just to inflame the masses *
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*  >L S Chabot					     *
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Thank you, Lisa, for stating the case for Reagan (and against Wally M) so well.
You succeeded, in ten words, where my long article failed.  Keep up the good
work.

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--Bill Price    uucp:   {decvax!ucbvax  philabs}!sdcsvax!bmcg!bprice
                arpa:?  sdcsvax!bmcg!bprice@nosc