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From: stanwyck@ihuxr.UUCP (Don Stanwyck)
Newsgroups: net.unix
Subject: Re: I, for one, tried ksh and don't like it
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Date: Mon, 4-Jun-84 10:57:45 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jun  4 10:57:45 1984
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>All this "ksh is the greatest thing since sliced beer" stuff prompts me to
>stick in a contrary opinion.  I have had an opportunity to try out ksh.
>(An illegally-made outside-Bell copy, I might add, but I wasn't the one who
>took it, ported it, or installed it, and it's not on MY machine that I tried
>it, so please no anti-piracy flames.  I do not support the theft, even though
>I did take advantage of it long enough to try ksh across a modem.)
>
>Anyway, ksh is wonderful IF you don't mind waiting up to 60 seconds for your
>character echoes.  Ksh is bigger than either than csh or sh, and thus tends
>to swap out more often (and takes longer to swap).  If you run in "vi" mode,
>you will quickly find out that it's not a lot more convenient than the csh
>history mechanism.  If you run in "emacs" mode, it sets your terminal raw and
>handles character echo itself;  this means in practice that on a moderately
>loaded system echoes can be delayed for quite a while.  I haven't seen such
>annoyingly poor response time since I tried a timesharing system that had been
>cobbled on top of a batch system, almost 15 years ago.
>
>	Geoff Kuenning : Callan Data Systems : ...!ihnp4!wlbr!callan!geoff
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As one who uses ksh constantly (in vi mode), I take issue with Geoff.  It is
faster (has been benchmarked as such), and is much nicer than any other shell
I have tried.  I suppose that when someone makes an illegal copies, hacks it
up into an unsupported tool, tries it and it workds poorly - they just got
what they deserved.  They shouldn't then flame at the thing when it probably
doesn't even resemble the original to any real extent anymore.

Geoff:  If you really don't support the stealing of software, call AT&T or
your local police and report the theft.  Otherwise you are now an accessory to
the crime, in that you have knowledge of it, but have not reported it.
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