Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihuxr.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!floyd!vax135!houxz!houxm!ihnp4!ihuxr!stanwyck From: stanwyck@ihuxr.UUCP (Don Stanwyck) Newsgroups: net.unix Subject: Re: I, for one, tried ksh and don't like it Message-ID: <1109@ihuxr.UUCP> Date: Mon, 4-Jun-84 10:57:45 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxr.1109 Posted: Mon Jun 4 10:57:45 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 6-Jun-84 00:59:35 EDT References: <161@callan.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 38 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >All this "ksh is the greatest thing since sliced beer" stuff prompts me to >stick in a contrary opinion. I have had an opportunity to try out ksh. >(An illegally-made outside-Bell copy, I might add, but I wasn't the one who >took it, ported it, or installed it, and it's not on MY machine that I tried >it, so please no anti-piracy flames. I do not support the theft, even though >I did take advantage of it long enough to try ksh across a modem.) > >Anyway, ksh is wonderful IF you don't mind waiting up to 60 seconds for your >character echoes. Ksh is bigger than either than csh or sh, and thus tends >to swap out more often (and takes longer to swap). If you run in "vi" mode, >you will quickly find out that it's not a lot more convenient than the csh >history mechanism. If you run in "emacs" mode, it sets your terminal raw and >handles character echo itself; this means in practice that on a moderately >loaded system echoes can be delayed for quite a while. I haven't seen such >annoyingly poor response time since I tried a timesharing system that had been >cobbled on top of a batch system, almost 15 years ago. > > Geoff Kuenning : Callan Data Systems : ...!ihnp4!wlbr!callan!geoff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As one who uses ksh constantly (in vi mode), I take issue with Geoff. It is faster (has been benchmarked as such), and is much nicer than any other shell I have tried. I suppose that when someone makes an illegal copies, hacks it up into an unsupported tool, tries it and it workds poorly - they just got what they deserved. They shouldn't then flame at the thing when it probably doesn't even resemble the original to any real extent anymore. Geoff: If you really don't support the stealing of software, call AT&T or your local police and report the theft. Otherwise you are now an accessory to the crime, in that you have knowledge of it, but have not reported it. -- ________ ( ) Don Stanwyck @( o o )@ 312-979-3062 ( || ) Cornet-367-3062 ( \__/ ) ihnp4!ihuxr!stanwyck (______) Bell Labs @ Naperville, IL