Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site wivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!wivax!evans From: evans@wivax.UUCP (Barry Evans) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Re: thoughts on desperation/why be gay? Message-ID: <19599@wivax.UUCP> Date: Wed, 6-Jun-84 23:43:10 EDT Article-I.D.: wivax.19599 Posted: Wed Jun 6 23:43:10 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 8-Jun-84 01:27:17 EDT References: <19573@wivax.UUCP> <746@pucc-h> Organization: Wang Institute, Tyngsboro, Ma. 01879 Lines: 37 Sorry, i tried, but i just couldn't stay out of this one any longer... From Jeff Sargent: > ...; the self-dislike [in gays] (perhaps loathing was too strong a term) >is not immediately obvious; but it seems to be there underneath the >surface in most cases. Jeff, You seem to be making a rather strong generalization here. Take a look around you. Is everyone (of your straight) friends as happy as you say they are? I mean, if "most of the gays" are pre-occupied with "self-dislike", then certainly most of the straights are not. Is that right? I look around, i see a lot of sad people, and some of them don't even realize it themselves. The point is, whether straight or gay, people are the same; some like themselves, some do not. That's it... no "most" do and "most" don't. From what I've seen, that just isn't true. Sorry, I just can't agree with you here. >I'm not looking for new gay friends, and not even very much for new >male friends -- not because of homophobia, but because I'm much more >interested in women, ... Why not *try* to meet all sorts of different people. Limiting yourself to one `type' isn't going to allow you to grow very much. >Basically, my question is: Why be gay, when there's so much more joy, >interest, and wonder in being straight? (No flames please; this is a >serious question; if the discussion gets too heavy, it can move to net.motss.) "Why be gay"? Why? Is there a choice? Come one, Jeff. You know perfectly well that choice is not a factor in whether someone is straight or gay. And so much more joy and interest... that's debatable. I know both straight and gay couples with significant amounts of joy, happiness and love. I *cannot* say that one group is better off than the other. (Oh, btw, this *is* a serious answer, does that make this a flame :-) -- Barry Evans - Wang Institute (617) 649-9731 x383 [apollo, bbncca, cadmus, decvax, harvard, linus, masscomp]!wivax!evans evans%Wang-Inst@Csnet-Relay