Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pyuxqq.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxqq!nosmo From: nosmo@pyuxqq.UUCP (P Valdata) Newsgroups: net.startrek Subject: Re: STIII (Spoiler) Message-ID: <627@pyuxqq.UUCP> Date: Tue, 12-Jun-84 12:25:24 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxqq.627 Posted: Tue Jun 12 12:25:24 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 13-Jun-84 01:04:27 EDT References: <475@rayssd.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ Lines: 50 Can't resist adding my two credits worth...It was an enjoyable movie, as far as leaving me with a warm fuzzy feeling at the end, but that doesn't make it as good a film as the second, which had a better plot, script, acting, and direction, but an unhappy ending. Leonard Nimoy has a way to go learning to be a director (still, it was a better job than any of us could do), but I would be very happy to see him practice on further ST films! My English major background helped me accept the resurrection idea--I thought it was very fitting in concept (not in execution--the "vestal virgins" and gong player were horrible). It is a long-standing tradition in literature to have a major character undergo some sort of death and resurrection. Remember the scientist in the Out of the Silent Planet trilogy? And Gandalf? Besides, it brought back my favorite character! I think it was not only necessary but fitting to destroy the Enterprise, although I agree that Scotty and Kirk were too composed throughout the ship's death throes (which I thought were well done). Regardless of whether it was 20 or 35 years old, it was old; now we can have future movies that aren't tied to old effects. Kirk did the logical thing at the time, and it helps illustrate how deep his commitment was to Spock. It also shows some growth in Kirk's character --now that he isn't "married" to that ship, maybe he can cope with a romance. And what's all this about Saavik's "sacrifice"--her liaison with Spocklet, whatever form it took. Since when is having sex a sacrifice?! Besides, she also did the logical thing at the time. She wanted to preserve the young Spock, and there was only one way to do that. I found her embarrassment at the end very un-Vulcan. Sure wish Kirstie Alley hadn't gotten greedy. As for David's death, it was obvious to me that Saavik was about to get knifed, and his death to save her was some sort of atonement for having been unethical, like Dr. Jekyll and Dr. Frankenstein and all who dare to tamper with creation. This, too, is traditional stuff. Besides, he really was a nerd. I thought the bar scene was a bit of a ripoff, especially the Yoda-like syntax used by the creature McCoy was negotiating with. And I like Christopher Lloyd, but wish he had changed his voice somehow. His Reverend Jim tones came through too often, like Fozzie Bear's did with Yoda. It made it hard for me to keep him in character. All in all, it was a perfectly nice, but not great, movie with some excellent lines, good characters, and a good story. I certainly hope the adventure continues; they tied up so many loose ends it could go anywhere.