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From: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach)
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Subject: Re: pedestalization
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Date: Fri, 22-Jun-84 14:59:39 EDT
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I just wanted to add my $.02 worth on a couple of things...

>{sharon says:} You wonder if anyone can get through childhood and adolescence
>without some scars. I assure you that it is impossible. But that is
>part of growing up and becoming an adult. If you went through your
>childhood and everything was peachy keen dandy you'd have an awful
>hard time with adulthood. This is the real world, the school of
>hard knocks, and you can't be secluded from it all your life.

I've seen some interesting statistics here: there is a strong correlation
between 'seclusion' or 'protection' (use your favorite word) and serious
problems in growing up. Because the public schools in many areas are less
than perfect (he says with a straight face) many people who can afford it
send their children to private or secular schools. These schools, it turns
out, tend to have a much lower rate of serious assault (gangs, weapons, and
the like, but NOT neccessarily rape) but much HIGHER rates of drug abuse,
pregnancy, and other forms of self-afflicted violence. The current leader
(although they aren't proud of the fact) in teenage suicide per capita is
the wonderful city of Plano, Texas, which happens to be one of the fastest
growing and most affluent areas in Texas today. Well up there as well is
Beverly Hills. There is a distinct correlation between being 'protected'
from the small problems of childhood and being unable to cope with the real
problems of adolescence and adulthood (because you never learned how). 

>{sharon again:} You talk about sadistic and masochistic fantasies. You think
>these are unusual? They're not.

They are also quite amusing and enjoyable. 

>{again sharon:} What I'm trying to say is- if you can love your God, you
>can certainly find it in your heart to love the rest of us. And
>I have a feeling that's the way your God wants it.

I've said it before, and I guess I'll say it again in the future: The key
to loving anyone else is loving yourself first. This is even more important
than loving your God (actually, I think it is the same thing, but others
will disagree). 

chuq
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You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime
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