Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-smurf!arndt From: arndt@smurf.DEC Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Sargent/Brenner Con't Message-ID: <1656@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Mon, 18-Jun-84 12:22:55 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.1656 Posted: Mon Jun 18 12:22:55 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 21-Jun-84 03:20:58 EDT Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 52 Ahh. There. Fido has smoked a cigarette and is resting in front of the fire. He's so cute! Man's best friend. Now then, where were we. Oh yes, I was trying to ask the heavy questions like what is your basis for what is right and what is wrong. Is there any way to tell? Are we just left with the big fist? Fifty one percent and it's ok? Why should we leave people to their own devices so to speak? Remember if there IS no way to tell that there are some things that are wrong (THAT IS ALWAYS WRONG - FOR EVERYBODY, like giving you a sharp stick in the eye because you look funny or it feels good to me to do it) then how do you have the nerve to say anything about me and my dog. (If you do) Why not interspecies sex? Eh? I fully expect to see on the nightly news (along with the rest of the day's important headlines) a story of some guy's wedding to a tree. (Remember, every tree has at least one crotch) The wedding will take place in some Christian church with the blessings of the clergy (recently graduated from a name seminary). Of course we'll see in print an expose of the "traditional" (boo) church opposition (weak case anyway, the bigots!) to a man and his tree. (What new and horrible diseases will come of this union? The Dutch Elm thing that makes your prunes drop off? How's this topic for rent control argument? NO CHINAMEN AND NO TREES NEED APLY) Now hear this!!! Let's find something that all can agree on and argue from there. The rubber chicken wack out gets quickly boring. Suggestions: o Where do you start when you talk about morals? (Find a common ground) o What is the point at which you would say,"That is wrong"? (Child sacrifice?, I stain my shorts when I kill queers? - I was born this way, it's not my choice) Not that you are going to change opinions or "prove" someone wrong, but at least you might understand each other a little better. Do you (anyone out there) believe some things are wrong (Always) and if so WHY? Then close in on the straights and gays issue. All this I feel, I think, I have experienced may or may not be of interest but since you people seem to think it is important - my question is WHY? To paraphrase Hugh, "It feels good, but is it right?" Fido sends his/her (I'll never tell) love. Ken Arndt