Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site watmath.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!saquigley From: saquigley@watmath.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Re: Sorry, Jeff Message-ID: <8118@watmath.UUCP> Date: Sat, 23-Jun-84 15:08:07 EDT Article-I.D.: watmath.8118 Posted: Sat Jun 23 15:08:07 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 24-Jun-84 00:39:59 EDT References: <1497@decwrl.UUCP>, <3100@cbscc.UUCP> Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 41 OK Paul Dubuc, why is heterosexuality good? Since all you heterosexuals out there seem to be asking homosexuals to justify the fact that they are not bad, I'd like to turn the question back to you. What makes you think that you can put yourself in a position of righteousness and demand of others that they justify their preferences without you ever justifying yours. You make an analogy between pedophilia and homosexuality. I will answer your question on why I think pedophilia is bad. First of all, pedophilia is the wrong word. pedophilia means loving children. I don't see what could be wrong with that if the children are willing throughout but it is very hard to know if they are willing or not. When one thinks of pedophilia one is usually thinking of rape as "incest" also seems to have taken on the meaning of rape by a member of one's immediate family when actually all it means is sexual relationship between members of the same family. Anyway when children are involved it is very hard to determine the degree of willingness of the child as the adult is more powerful than the child most often (no matter what certain authors would like people to believe). That is why I think pedophilia incestuous or not, is dangerous: it leaves the door open to a lot of abuse as the two participants are not of equal strength. (Actually an analogy between pedophilia and heterosexuality would make much more sense, as partners in heterosexual relationships are often of unequal strength, which leaves the door open to a lot of abuse - and many people do go through that door) Homosexuality is different (even though some people like to lump them together for shock effect). The homosexuality being discussed here is between consenting adults. It is a cliche, but is the main point of it. Why is it "wrong" for two consenting adults of the same sex to have sexual relationships? why not? since you are claiming that it isn't, the onus is on you to prove that it isn't. The position of homosexuals on the net have been so far, that it is not right or wrong either way, i.e they are not putting a moral judgement on the act. So why are you? explain yourself, tell us what you base your moral judgement on in the first place, so that we don't get into pointless discussions. If it is on a certain book, then how do you know this book is right? (this is all net.religion stuff it seems. so what is it doing in net.motss? yeah it seems that once again net.motss is turning into a place where homosexuals have to defend their preferences) Sophie Quigley ...!{clyde,ihnp4,decvax}!watmath!saquigley