Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles; site ea.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!vax135!houxz!houxm!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!ea!mwm From: mwm@ea.UUCP Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Re: Re: Whither Are We Drifting? - (nf) Message-ID: <9800007@ea.UUCP> Date: Mon, 18-Jun-84 01:35:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ea.9800007 Posted: Mon Jun 18 01:35:00 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 22-Jun-84 07:23:19 EDT References: <1005@ihuxq.UUCP> Lines: 34 Nf-ID: #R:ihuxq:-100500:ea:9800007:000:1553 Nf-From: ea!mwm Jun 18 00:35:00 1984 #R:ihuxq:-100500:ea:9800007:000:1553 ea!mwm Jun 18 00:35:00 1984 /***** ea:net.philosophy / ihuxq!ken / 6:38 pm Jun 15, 1984 */ Are you calling the Nazis socialists???? They may have called themselves socialists, but they were, of course, fascists, and habitual liars at that. I'm trying to resist the temptation to say "THINK LOGICALLY FERCHRISSAKES!" But I can't. -- ken perlow ..ihnp4!ihuxq!ken /* ---------- */ I am. I find two definitions of Fascism in the dictionary, both of which indicate a belief in a strong, centralized dictatorship. The closest either one of them comes to making a Fascist Socialism self-contradictory is "stands for a ... severe economic and social regimentation ... ." This *does not* indicate that a fascist government couldn't be socialist, but it *does* indicate that a fascist government couldn't live with a free enterprise system (not that I'm saying it's impossible, mind you). Fascism is a form of *government*, and socialism a form for an *economy*. You can have a Republican Socialism (where America appears to be drifting), a Fascist Socialism (where the USSR seems to be drifting), you can even have a Libertarian Socialism. Whether or not the National Socialists are socialists: They called themselves socialists, and the German government apparently controlled the means of production, and ran it "for the good of the people" (isn't that what socialism's all about?). If these statements are true, then the Nazis were socialists; if they are false, then the Nazis aren't socialists. Someone want to let me know how the Nazis really behaved about property?