Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site oliven.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!hao!hplabs!oliveb!olivee!oliven!chrisp From: chrisp@oliven.UUCP Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Re: MOTOSs: People too? Message-ID: <149@oliven.UUCP> Date: Thu, 7-Jun-84 15:39:14 EDT Article-I.D.: oliven.149 Posted: Thu Jun 7 15:39:14 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 9-Jun-84 08:27:07 EDT Organization: Olivetti ATC, Cupertino, Ca Lines: 22 I thought that it was fairly clear that the principle question is that of self-esteem. Everything that has been posted on this one, including the original, has talked about one or another aspect of how one mis-relates or dis-relates to a MOTOS and/or a MOTSS. And all of this mis- and dis- relating all reduces to variations on the theme of "I don't think much of myself, so there is something wrong ( or threatening, etc. ) with you." The most extreme case is exemplified by the macho trip in which anyone else is treated as an animate object. It has been my experience that this problem is not restricted to either sex. But men tend to show it in one set of ways and women tend to show it in a different set of ways. These sets seem to be culturally determined for either sex. I have been fortunate enough to find close, open relationships with both men and women. It has generally been a matter of how well the other person though of him/her self. I have found it very difficult (damn near impossible really) to do this with a MOTOS to whom I was strongly attracted sexually. The problem is clearly (to me) one of a shortage of self assurance in this circumstance. But I'm working on it. Chris Prael