Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-smurf!arndt From: arndt@smurf.DEC Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Dammit Dyer Message-ID: <1780@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Wed, 20-Jun-84 21:53:33 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.1780 Posted: Wed Jun 20 21:53:33 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 21-Jun-84 11:06:49 EDT Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 47 Well hell. You're a hard guy to talk to Dyer. I can't say kiss my . . . I'm not knocken' queers. (Yet) All I'm asking is how do you justify to yourselves and others your behavior. Once you say ANYTHING is right or wrong you ARE into morals. You say not to disparage queers as a class. Ok. Why? The idea (your statement) that the expression of an individual's opinion about homosexuality (see I didn't say queer) is morally neutral is crap, plain and simple! I have my keyboard set for silent running, by the way. With my dog and black hunch back I'm fishing for what you might be against so that I can ask you why. Where to start defining what is ok behavior. Is Hitler ok? No. Why? See. Most people think queers are not ok. See. You're trying to answer them I think. It should be very important to you alll right now. The tennor of the country is to put you all right back in your collective closet. Don't be fooled by all your marches, etc. There is a growing backlash. All you have to do is look to see it. And by the way it has nothing to do with our current President. He's only riding the swing to the right. Laws can be changed. All it takes is another vote, another decision. That happens when the political winds blow for change as they are now. I think you are your own worse enemy. You scare the daylights out of the straights and get them angry. The blacks could appeal to an inate sense of right and fair play. The moral tradition of the Western World (despite the writing of that practical joker from Yale) has been against queers. The reason, the appeal that changed the lives of blacks in the last hundred years or so was a MORAL one. Homosexuals have no such moral leg to stand on. Not with the broad mass despite the radical fringes in the churches. I think you are caught up in an incestuous grouping with those who agree with you and fail to see the strength and power of those who find you in the wrong. You are now being perceived as a threat to society now, I believe, because of your growing (strike a now) voice in society. YOUR REPLY HAS TO BE COUCHED IN A MORAL ARGUMENT, I BELIEVE. That's what I'm asking for. Not your experience or "I feel" but something to match the moral tradition of the West. I think Boop de doop from Yale saw that but did a poor job. Gotta go. Write if you get ideas. Regards, Ken Arndt