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From: evans@wivax.UUCP (Barry Evans)
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Subject: Re: thoughts on desperation/why be gay?
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Date: Wed, 6-Jun-84 23:43:10 EDT
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Posted: Wed Jun  6 23:43:10 1984
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Sorry, i tried, but i just couldn't stay out of this one any longer...

From Jeff Sargent:
> ...; the self-dislike [in gays] (perhaps loathing was too strong a term)
>is not immediately obvious; but it seems to be there underneath the
>surface in most cases.
Jeff,  You seem to be making a rather strong generalization here.
Take a look around you.  Is everyone (of your straight) friends as
happy as you say they are?  I mean, if "most of the gays"
are pre-occupied with "self-dislike", then certainly most of the straights
are not.  Is that right?  I look around, i see a lot of sad people, and
some of them don't even realize it themselves.  The point is, whether
straight or gay, people are the same;  some like themselves, some do
not.  That's it... no "most" do and "most" don't.  From what I've
seen, that just isn't true.  Sorry, I just can't agree with you here.

>I'm not looking for new gay friends, and not even very much for new
>male friends -- not because of homophobia, but because I'm much more
>interested in women, ...
Why not *try* to meet all sorts of different people.  Limiting
yourself to one `type' isn't going to allow you to grow very much.

>Basically, my question is:  Why be gay, when there's so much more joy,
>interest, and wonder in being straight?  (No flames please; this is a
>serious question; if the discussion gets too heavy, it can move to net.motss.)
"Why be gay"?  Why?  Is there a choice?  Come one, Jeff.  You know
perfectly well that choice is not a factor in whether someone is
straight or gay.  And so much more joy and interest... that's
debatable.  I know both straight and gay couples with significant
amounts of joy, happiness and love.  I *cannot* say that one group is
better off than the other.

(Oh, btw, this *is* a serious answer, does that make this a flame :-)
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