Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site fortune.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!fortune!olson From: olson@fortune.UUCP Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: Re: AT&T vs. the toolkit approach - (nf) Message-ID: <3660@fortune.UUCP> Date: Thu, 21-Jun-84 19:04:11 EDT Article-I.D.: fortune.3660 Posted: Thu Jun 21 19:04:11 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 22-Jun-84 20:58:02 EDT Sender: notes@fortune.UUCP Organization: Fortune Systems, Redwood City, CA Lines: 24 #R:rlgvax:-202900:fortune:3500021:000:799 fortune!olson Jun 21 14:44:00 1984 Enough already! Fortune (admittedly) had a number of problems with it's initial release. Among them was the fact that ps was not included. Subsequent releases fixed many bugs and inadequacies, and have all included ps (also pstat ala V7). Multi-user systems even get vmstat. We may not be perfect, but we do try and fix our mistakes :-). Dave Olson, Fortune Systems UUCP: {ihnp4,ucbvax!amd70}!fortune!olson ARPA: amd70!fortune!olson@BERKELEY PS: No argument, a system without ps is very difficult to maintain when things go wrong. As to unbundling of software, as has been said, most users in the market-place do NOT require all that Unix traditionally provides. As to whether the pricing and packaging of our (or ATT's) software is adequate and acceptable to users, only time will tell.