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From: olson@fortune.UUCP
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Subject: Re: Re: AT&T vs. the toolkit approach - (nf)
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Date: Thu, 21-Jun-84 19:04:11 EDT
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Posted: Thu Jun 21 19:04:11 1984
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fortune!olson    Jun 21 14:44:00 1984

Enough already!  Fortune (admittedly) had a number of problems
with it's initial release.  Among them was the fact that ps was
not included.

Subsequent releases fixed many bugs and inadequacies, and have
all included ps (also pstat ala V7).  Multi-user systems
even get vmstat.  We may not be perfect, but we do try and fix
our mistakes :-).

	Dave Olson, Fortune Systems
	UUCP: {ihnp4,ucbvax!amd70}!fortune!olson
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PS: No argument, a system without ps is very difficult to maintain
when things go wrong.

As to unbundling of software, as has been said, most users in the
market-place do NOT require all that Unix traditionally provides.
As to whether the pricing and packaging of our (or ATT's) software
is adequate and acceptable to users, only time will tell.