Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dartvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!houxz!vax135!floyd!harpo!decvax!dartvax!merchant From: merchant@dartvax.UUCP (Peter Merchant) Newsgroups: net.startrek,net.movies,net.sf-lovers Subject: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK (Heavy duty SPOILER!) Message-ID: <1775@dartvax.UUCP> Date: Sun, 3-Jun-84 21:51:33 EDT Article-I.D.: dartvax.1775 Posted: Sun Jun 3 21:51:33 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 5-Jun-84 20:14:34 EDT Organization: Dartmouth College Lines: 98 Well, someone said that they wanted to hear a few other comments, so what the hell. I'll put in my two cents worth... I rather enjoyed the movie. I liked how they managed to bring him back. Very clever, indeed. I would have been thoroughly disgusted if they landed on the planet to find Spock going "Hey, Jim, what took you so long?" I only have one major complaint. How in the world did the Genesis effect get into the sealed torpedo? Possibly it's just ignorance on my part, but I don't believe the Genesis effect was caused by any foofy form of radiation or anything like that, and the thing was sealed shut. For that matter, how in the world did the kid get out? Most coffins that seal shut don't have any way to get out from the inside. The theory is, if he's dead, he ain't going to be going anywhere. The torpedo HAD to be sealed shut. If it wasn't, how did it withstand re-entry? Of course, the argument can be shot down by saying the torpedo was damaged on re-entry or something like that. I don't think my complaint is a major shortcoming...I just wished they'd explained it better. Minor complaints: 1. Some scenes smacked a bit too much of Star Wars. The bar, in particular, and the scene where they break McCoy out, in general. The Klingon Commander's pet reminded a bit too much of some of the beasties that inhabitted Boba-Fett's place. 2. Doesn't it seem like Kirk got away a bit too easy? I mean, come on! A Starship does have alot of rather interesting things in it's memory banks. Conceivably, information on the Genesis device. The fact that Star Fleet let them, basically, walk away with the Enterprise is a bit questionable. 3. The comment I hear over and over again: How did Kirk notice the weirdness of space and the computer didn't. This one I give a half-point. Basically, nobody asked the computer "Hey, computer, analyze what looks like a weirdness in space for me." Maybe, Maybe... 4. Someone has to tell ILM (Industrial Light & Magic...the people who do most of the effects work) to mellow out. The Transporter is far too foofy for my taste. There is a little twinkle after they materialize which reminds me of the pixie dust from Peter Pan. (McCoy's latest: "I'm a doctor, not tinkerbell!") 5. Why did the Klingon Ship have both a transporter and a way to land? I don't remember seeing the Klingon Transporter Room, so maybe there was a logical reason (like the transporter room was too small) but it seems like a waste to me. 6. Similar to the Enterprise concept: Why didn't the Federation notice this Klingon Battle Cruiser flying around. Also, if the Federation has bases and things like that on Vulcan (Vulcan is supposed to be a pretty mainstay part of the Federation), when Kirk zoomed up to Vulcan and went to land, I would think that the Federation would have kicked Jim's ass, and I don't care how much clout Sarek might have. Look at it from their point of view. Jim steals the Enterprise. One of the Federation's starships is missing. Jim returns in a Klingon Battle Cruiser. It doesn't take Einstein to figure out that Jim sold out to the Klingons. He's going to take a few potshots at the Federation before he goes home to his new buddies. I'd say Jim should be space dust by now. Of course, it's easy to find fault. Let's look at some good things: 1. Christopher Lloyd, who played the Klingon Commander, was wonderful. He played it mean and nasty, but not viciously so. He was doing what he had been trained to do. He didn't have a fiendish laugh or anything. He was quietly nasty. Bravo! 2. The fight between Kirk and the Klingon Commander was great. Jim got nailed a couple of times. I don't expect a 50 year old man to fight like a twenty year old man. 3. Spock, as I said above, was handled very well. I think they might have rushed it a bit at the end. Spock seemed a little unsure at first, but caught on fast after he remembered Jim's name. The eyebrow at the end was great, though I haven't quite figured out what might have caused it. Fascinating. 4. The execution of the stealing of the Enterprise was great fun. The integrating of each of our favourite members was fun. Scotty's quote will become the concept for computer hackers everywhere. I just wish I could remember it. 5. Jim reacted well to the death of his son. A few moments of anger and then back to business. Just a caustic remark every now and then. All in all, a good movie. I think my complaints are kind of nitpicky. I will definitely go see it again. -- "Scotty! Save my ass!" Peter Merchant