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Subject: the missing link is evolution - (nf)
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Date: Mon, 19-Mar-84 03:27:23 EST
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uiucdcs!miller    Mar 19 00:38:00 1984

     In discussions with people on the net concerning the Paluxy River tracks,
I've heard all sorts of excuses as to what they may be besides human.  Some say
they are carvings (hoax or erosion), others say they were made by little green
men from Ork.  I've demonstrated how things like lamination lines rule out the
first possibility; I am amused at the lengths evolutionists must go to when
they suggest the second.
     The newest charge comes along the lines: well, there are no other examples
of out-of-order fossils anywhere else, so we can just do some hand waving and
conclude that they *must* be non-human.  Now I think that the Paluxy site
should stand or fall on its own merits.  Nevertheless, I've already given one
other instance of human presence early in the fossil sequence, and I thought
I'd pass along a list I ran across the other day to give some more examples.
     Of the items on this list, about half have appeared in "standard"
journals, while the remainder of the fossil remains have been ignored (or,
perhaps censored?) and are only documented in creationist journals.  While
looking over this list, keep in mind: 1) it only deals with fossil evidence,
2) it only concerns man (and not other types of out-of-order or polystrata
fossils), and 3) it is not complete.  Even with such limitations, I think it
will illustrate some of the many problems behind the evolution model not yet
mentioned.  And one final thing, lest I be accused of only telling half of the
story.  Some of the things in this list, like Mary Leakey's footprints in
Laetolil, are credited to other primates.  However, in light of all of the evi-
dence (this plus much much more I haven't even mentioned yet) I see no reason
to believe that Australopithecus, rather than man, left that behind.  At any
rate, the *worst* that can be said is that it is consistent with the creation
model.
     Questions/requests for further info are welcome.  I'll answer as many as I
have time for subject to the restriction that I have differing amounts of
knowledge about different items on the list.  The list as it was given to me
contains about 75 references of which I have read some, but not all.  The order
below is from bottom to top:

STRATA		   HUMAN ARTIFACT		LOCATION
Cambrian	   iron bands			Lochmaree, Scotland
Ordovician	   sandal print			Lake Windermere, England
		   metal hammer			London, Texas
Silurian	   skeleton			Franklin County, Missouri
Pennsylvanian	   footprints			Bera, Kentucky
		   iron pot			Oklahoma
		   various tools		Aixen-Provence, France
		   gold chain			Illinois
Permian		   footprints			St. Louis, Missouri
Triassic	   sandal print			Pershing County, Nevada
		   footprint			Mt. Victoria, Australia
Jurassic	   leg and foot bones		Spring Valley, Nevada
		   footprint			Parkersburg, W. Virginia
Cretaceous	   two skeletons		La Sal, Utah
		   skull			Gilman, Colorado
		   footprints			Glen Rose, Texas
		   foot and shoe prints		Carrizo Valley, Oklahoma
		   cast metal nodules		Saint-Jean de Livet, France
Paleocene	   cast iron cube		Wolfsegg, Austria
Eocene		   skull			Germany
		   tooth			Bear Creek, Montana
Miocene		   skull			Stanford, California
		   jaw				Tuscany, Italy
		   shoe print			Gobi Desert, Asia
Pliocene	   skull			Calaveras, California
		   skull			Castenedolo, Italy
		   skull			Table Mt., California
		   jaw				Foxhall, England
		   footprints			Laetolil, Africa
		   footprints			Tulsa, Oklahoma
		   sandal prints		Carson City, Nevada
Lower Pleistocene  pelvis			Natchez
		   jaw				Abbeville, France
		   upper arm bone		Kanapoi, Africa
Middle Pleistocene skull			Olmo, Italy
		   skeleton			Clichy, France
		   skeleton			Gally Hill, England

     Well, this is getting pretty long, so I guess this will have to do for
now.  Next week: a behind the scenes look at the Arkansas Balanced Treatment
Act trial and how it differs from Louisiana.

A. Ray Miller
Univ Illinois