Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 (Tek) 9/26/83; site tekecs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!orca!tekecs!jeffw From: jeffw@tekecs.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) Newsgroups: net.music Subject: Stravinsky, Gershwin, and Ravel Message-ID: <3566@tekecs.UUCP> Date: Mon, 5-Mar-84 13:49:11 EST Article-I.D.: tekecs.3566 Posted: Mon Mar 5 13:49:11 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 7-Mar-84 06:25:15 EST Organization: Tektronix, Wilsonville OR Lines: 34 There is a story that Gershwin went to learn orchestration from Stravinsky, since while Gershwin was making a lot from his music, it was through arrangements done by others. (?) Anyway, supposedly Stravinsky said: "They say you make a million dollars in a year." G. said, "Well, really it's only about half that." S. replied, "Even so, will you teach *me* how to write music!" Another story involving Stravinsky is that, when he wrote a mass (early 60's?) there were complaints about the length of the Credo. S. simply replied, "There is much to believe." Those who see an influence of Gershwin on Ravel might be cautioned to look at some of Ravel's earlier piano music. In "Oiseaux triste" (1905) and "Le Gibet" and "Scarbo" (1908) there are several "blue" chords, although not in a jazzy setting. "Scarbo" also has strong syncopation. So was the G major concerto influenced by Gershwin or was it just an outgrowth of Ravel's earlier music? Who knows? Incidentally, "Scarbo" gets my vote for the most difficult piano work written before 1945 (or should it be Brahms's 2nd Concerto?). I highly recommend the Ashkenazy recording - all of the other pianists I've heard can hardly play the damn thing, let alone play it well. This includes at least Alicia deLarrocha (sp?), Philippe Entremont, and Beveridge Webster (who?). coming un Ravel'ed, Jeff Winslow