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Subject: Re: Re: Property (or Class Struggle? Wha
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Date: Sat, 17-Mar-84 20:18:00 EST
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> /***** ucbesvax:net.politics / ihuxb!alle /  1:30 am  Mar  3, 1984*/
> Subject: Re: Property (or Class Struggle? What Class Struggle?)
> > My point on the factory owner is quite simple.  There are conflicting
> > interests in any workplace.  There are the interests of the workers in
> > a safe working environment and good wages.  And there
> > is the interest of the employer in profits.  There is a zero-sum game
> > to be played out here, and the employers understand that quite well.
>
> Come on Mike.  If you really believe in "zero-sum game", then I contend
> you have little understanding of economics.  It doesn't work that way
> and I challenge you to back up that contention.
> Allen England at AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, IL (ihnp4!ihuxb!alle)

Excuse me, Allen, but you claim understanding without offering it.  How
about giving us an example of a non-zero-sum game in the workplace?  Or
telling us how economics "really works"?  I don't know all that much about
economics, so it would be helpful to me.  Also, you attacked a single
phrase of mjk's article.  It might be the single weakest phrase, but it
doesn't make his whole world-view collapse like a house of cards.  Nor
will it much affect my general agreement (with manifold exceptions not
noted here) with what he has to say.

How about less nit-picking and challenging, and more education, especially
from those out there who claim greater knowledge and wisdom, but rarely
deliver?  "Golly, I don't know how anyone could believe such tripe" does
not improve the reader's power of distinction.  "Golly, this is a load of
tripe, and here's why:..." at least provides food for thought (or tripe
for thought, as the case may be).
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Michael Turner (ucbvax!ucbesvax.turner)