Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: notesfiles Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!decvax!ucbvax!ucbcad!ucbesvax.turner From: turner@ucbesvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: Property (or Class Struggle? Wha Message-ID: <7500080@ucbesvax.UUCP> Date: Sat, 17-Mar-84 20:18:00 EST Article-I.D.: ucbesvax.7500080 Posted: Sat Mar 17 20:18:00 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 5-Mar-84 00:27:20 EST References: <533@ihuxb.UUCP> Organization: UC Berkeley, EE/SESM Lines: 30 Nf-ID: #R:ihuxb:-53300:ucbesvax:7500080:000:1752 Nf-From: ucbesvax!turner Mar 3 17:18:00 1984 > /***** ucbesvax:net.politics / ihuxb!alle / 1:30 am Mar 3, 1984*/ > Subject: Re: Property (or Class Struggle? What Class Struggle?) > > My point on the factory owner is quite simple. There are conflicting > > interests in any workplace. There are the interests of the workers in > > a safe working environment and good wages. And there > > is the interest of the employer in profits. There is a zero-sum game > > to be played out here, and the employers understand that quite well. > > Come on Mike. If you really believe in "zero-sum game", then I contend > you have little understanding of economics. It doesn't work that way > and I challenge you to back up that contention. > Allen England at AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, IL (ihnp4!ihuxb!alle) Excuse me, Allen, but you claim understanding without offering it. How about giving us an example of a non-zero-sum game in the workplace? Or telling us how economics "really works"? I don't know all that much about economics, so it would be helpful to me. Also, you attacked a single phrase of mjk's article. It might be the single weakest phrase, but it doesn't make his whole world-view collapse like a house of cards. Nor will it much affect my general agreement (with manifold exceptions not noted here) with what he has to say. How about less nit-picking and challenging, and more education, especially from those out there who claim greater knowledge and wisdom, but rarely deliver? "Golly, I don't know how anyone could believe such tripe" does not improve the reader's power of distinction. "Golly, this is a load of tripe, and here's why:..." at least provides food for thought (or tripe for thought, as the case may be). --- Michael Turner (ucbvax!ucbesvax.turner)