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From: jj@rabbit.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Faith vs. law vs. abortion
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Date: Thu, 8-Mar-84 14:54:45 EST
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Posted: Thu Mar  8 14:54:45 1984
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Take this, O infamous eater of great netnews whizdom.

This is excerpted, I believe in strict context:
	
	From alice!allegra!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!ihnp1!dolan Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969
	So the pertinent points seem to be:
		a. All human beings have the right to live.
		b. An unborn child is a human being from the moment of
		   conception with the right to her/his life.
		c. Human beings only forfeit their right to live when they
		   place the physical life of another human being in danger.
	
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The falicy in these statements is the "point" that
"An unborn child is a human being from the moment of conception 
... "   

Many people, myself included, do NOT believe that an fetus is
a "human being" until that fetus can survive OUTSIDE THE WOMB
with no extraordinary mechanical support.    When this point is considered, the
other "pertinent points " are shown to be moot.

The deliberate action of calling a fetus a person/human from
the instant of conception is a deliberate debating technique that
is intended to sucker the opponent into stipulating the most important
facts in the argument.   

The issue of when a fetus becomes human is NOT, and will not likely be
in the near future, determined/determinable, and references like the above,
which require stipulation of a given OPINION are not, in fact, fair
or constructive arguments.  

The "pro-life" forces quite naturally wish to argue from the
grounds most favorable to them.  I object to their using
the term "human" for a fetus, and I also object to the deliberate
equating of abortion with murder.  It is a simple step, and one
that has occasionally already been taken, to extend this
argument to the individual egg and sperm cells, thus making
any failed attempt at intercourse murder.  

Please note:  I do NOT stipulate that a 1 day old fetus is human.
Please base your arguments on either convincing me otherwise 
(on physical grounds, not religious grounds) or on an argument
that recognizes that I do NOT accept your defination of human.


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