Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!renner From: renner@uiucdcs.UUCP (renner ) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Fake ID's - (nf) Message-ID: <6303@uiucdcs.UUCP> Date: Wed, 21-Mar-84 22:26:48 EST Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.6303 Posted: Wed Mar 21 22:26:48 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 23-Mar-84 08:34:17 EST Lines: 40 #R:sdccs6:-126800:uiucdcs:36200115:000:2012 uiucdcs!renner Mar 21 18:28:00 1984 > /**** uiucdcs:net.flame / sdccs6!ix192 / 6:39 pm Mar 20, 1984 ****/ > ...I have heard that one can't get a photocopy of a birth certificate > without proper identification. I wouldn't consider it improbable that > the DMV checks license applications against a 'deceased' list, nor the > social-security people wouldn't get somewhat suspisious if Mr. A got a > number at birth and is now applying for another one now that he's 21 > (and possibly dead as well!)... 1. I'll bet that you can get a copy of a birth certificate by mail. Just write to the appropriate county office, saying that you need a passport real soon, and you gotta have your birth certificate to get it, and you can't find it, and... 2. The classic fake-id ploy is to obtain a birth certificate of an infant born at the appropriate time who died after a year or so. This information is obtained from reading obituaries in old newspapers. The "deceased" list mentioned above would be made up of infants who died around age 18 months during 1962, or thereabouts. There is just no way that this information is going to be in a computer database. 3. Mr. A didn't get a SSN at birth; nobody does. You have to ask for one. The SS people are getting a little more suspicious about 25-year-olds asking for a SSN -- just how did you get by this long without one? ("Well, I've never had a job, and I just made one up for my college, and...") 4. An alternative to the above approach is to buy your paper ready-made. There's a good market for fake ID in most places; illegal immigrants, among others, have a use for such. I've been told that the going rate in Chicago is $200 for a birth certificate/SSN/driver's licence package. I have no idea how to find a seller, let alone a reputable one. If anyone *really* wants to know more about this, I can dig around and find my sources. But it might take a little while. Scott Renner {ihnp4,pur-ee}!uiucdcs!renner