Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-h Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:aeq From: aeq@pucc-h (Jeff Sargent) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: anti-religious flame Message-ID: <607@pucc-h> Date: Thu, 22-Mar-84 11:17:30 EST Article-I.D.: pucc-h.607 Posted: Thu Mar 22 11:17:30 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 23-Mar-84 21:26:37 EST References: <324@ih1ap.UUCP> Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 24 Reply to P.A. Fargo: > Concerning the cute story about Newton, why does the fact that the model > has a maker imply that the universe has one? If there is a creator of the > complex universe( if it is complex?), then who created the truly complex > being that created the universe. If the creator "always existed", then > why not assume that the universe always existed? As I recall the story about Newton, the argument was: If it is so absurd to think that a simple orrery came to exist by itself, why isn't it absurd to believe that the whole sidereal universe with all its variegated motions, not to mention the functions of even the simplest life, came to exist spontaneously? I will judiciously apply Occam's razor and say that it is unnecessary to postulate levels upon levels of creation. However, when I consider the beauty and ingenuity of the universe, the earth, and the denizens thereof--the painstaking creativity that is displayed to anyone who will not refuse to see--I find it more difficult to believe that the universe just happens to exist, than that it was created by a highly intelligent creator. -- -- Jeff Sargent {allegra|ihnp4|decvax|harpo|seismo|ucbvax}!pur-ee!pucc-h:aeq Have you hugged your junk mail today?