Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site lanl-a.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!cmcl2!lanl-a!jad From: jad@lanl-a.UUCP Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Some points to ponder Message-ID: <3882@lanl-a.UUCP> Date: Wed, 21-Mar-84 16:01:42 EST Article-I.D.: lanl-a.3882 Posted: Wed Mar 21 16:01:42 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 22-Mar-84 02:21:56 EST Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 42 <'cause cbosgd!mark says I should> Three somewhat related points and a flamette. 1) In the USA no one really has complete control over their bodies - if so, then why don't the people in prisons just leave to do as they like. Perhaps in an ideal society com- plete self-determination is possible, but not (apparently) the one in which I live... Leave us remember the person who wanted to starve to death in a hospital, supported by the medical staff thereof (i.e. with painkillers and the like). This leads us into point two: 2) Abortion does not involve JUST the woman who desires the abortion - i.e. we are not just discussing her rights only but those of her doctor (and anyone else involved). If you don't believe this, tell me, how many women sucessfully and safely perform their own abortions? 3) Concerning the doctor's rights, consider the moral dilemma the doctor faces. On the one hand the doctor might be confronted with women who want the doctor to save their premature children (say 16 .. 24 weeks). On the other hand, the doctor might be confronted with women who want abortions at the same point in the pregnancy. All in all, this reader- ship seems to ignore the doctor's plight - and as I've noted before, I don't think many abortions are truly single-person events. Small flame: Why do "pro-lifers" call "pro-choicers" abortionists... Why do "pro-choicers" call "pro-lifers" anti-abortionists... Neither "side" calls the other what it wishes to be called - just emotional epithets instead. This name calling irks me. Zozzles The Freep A "pro-lifer" who wouldn't stop women from having abortions, but isn't happy about it, either. Grumble, grumble. paths(?): decvax!pur-ee!lanl-a!jad cmcl2!lanl-a!jad