Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site nsc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!seismo!hao!hplabs!menlo70!nsc!chuqui From: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach) Newsgroups: net.suicide Subject: Re: what kind of suicide? Message-ID: <717@nsc.UUCP> Date: Tue, 28-Feb-84 21:31:27 EST Article-I.D.: nsc.717 Posted: Tue Feb 28 21:31:27 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 2-Mar-84 15:57:55 EST References: <179@ubc-vision.UUCP> <691@nsc.UUCP> Organization: National Semiconductor, Sunnyvale Lines: 48 It was mentioned to me in a letter that I should have declared that the opinions I stated in my previous letter we mine. I had thought that it was a rather obvious assumption, especially since I didn't cite my references. Since it obviously wasn't obvious enough to certain people, here is my official disclaimer: My personal views that suicide is not a courageous act are simply that. Mine. Not some famous person or expert. Mine. I take full responsibility for them. (Hey, mincey, is this clear enough for you?). Despite some attempts to the contrary, I still believe in them, and they evolved through personal experience with the subject. One reasonable clarification: I think Gordon was implying that because depression was the major causitive agent of suicide, my thoughts were incorrect. I think both views are compatible, because while depression (or other agents) can cause the wish to die, it is only when the ingrained fear of death is overcome that a suicide attempt occurs. This instinct can be overriden in many ways, only one of which is the one I am familiar with. I am **NOT** going to get into a feud with mincemeat on this topic, as much as he seems to be baiting me to. The letter he sent me was a scathing diatribe that not only attacked me personally (as well as my beliefs) but was essentially incoherent (I think English is a third language to our bilingual friend) and had a large number of misspellings as well. I felt that a reply was neccessary (why, I don't know) where I explained in further details my beliefs and in which I suggested humourously that if he didn't believe me, he might attempt the act and report back as to whether I was right. Evidently he can't take a joke, because I have now been attacked again in public, both here and in mod.ber. Rather than attempt to reason with this person (since it is fairly obvious it would be a worthless attempt) I am now designating him a non-person, and I will attempt in the future to simply pretend that he and his entries do not exist. I don't think I'll miss much. BTW, as to Gene's poll, I feel much the same about the mod.ber entries. they are very unprofessional and insulting, and so I simply don't read them. This is even more so because he stoops to his attacks an insults in a very visible place on the net where it is essentially impossible for us to defend ourselves (since many people will read his entries but not net.suicide). chuq -- From the Citadel of the Autarch: Chuqui the Plaid {fortune,menlo70}!nsc!chuqui P.S. Nuke Wobegon! You know, Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.