Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-eddie.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!gds From: gds@mit-eddie.UUCP (Greg Skinner) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: I think you are all making a mistake ... Message-ID: <1395@mit-eddie.UUCP> Date: Tue, 6-Mar-84 01:01:15 EST Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.1395 Posted: Tue Mar 6 01:01:15 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 7-Mar-84 07:16:53 EST Organization: MIT, Cambridge, MA Lines: 45... about the argument between omnisience and free will. Let me illustrate with another time-line example. Suppose time travel is possible, i.e. one can actually go into the future and observe it, then return to the past to report on the acts of the future. Now I have a friend, X, who I wish to observe 30 years in the future. I hop into my time machine and visit his 30-years future, see what he is doing, then return. I know what he will be doing 30 years in his future, yet I did not interfere with his making any of the decisions that led to his actions 30 years in the future (unless I told him what I did, THEN you could say omni violates free will in that my actions caused his future to become). I think a lot of people are confusing "controlling" destiny vs. "knowing" it. I might "know" something is going to happen (because I acutally saw it happen), that doesn't make me the controller of that event, and it doesn't violate anyone's free will, in that it would have happened anyway whether I know it was going to happen or not. This is to say: You don't have free will over YOUR ULTIMATE DESTINY which will be known at the day you die, but you have "local" free will for all the decisions you make up until you die. Or: You can't affect what will ultimately happen to you, but for every decision you encounter you have the ability to either make or not make that decision -- it's only after you make the decision (not before) that it becomes inevitable, because it is what actually happened as opposed to "what might happen". I hope I haven't just been rambling ... -- By the power of Grayskull! Greg-bo, Prince of Eternia {decvax!genrad, eagle!mit-vax, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds