Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site acf4.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!cmcl2!acf4!axm9839 From: axm9839@acf4.UUCP (Asher Meth) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: "Purim & Parshas Zachor" Message-ID: <132@acf4.UUCP> Date: Tue, 13-Mar-84 18:14:54 EST Article-I.D.: acf4.132 Posted: Tue Mar 13 18:14:54 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 14-Mar-84 19:47:17 EST References: <1050@pegasus.UUCP> Organization: New York University Lines: 54 Yom Gimel Leparshas Tzav / Parshas Zachor, 9 ADAR II 5744 corresponding to Tuesday, March 13/'84 (lemisparam) Re : Nemi Klein's questions about Purim & Parshas Zachor Especially in the spirit of Purim, as we learn from the Megillah, "Kol haomer davar beshem omero meivi geulah laolam" : I consulted my brother Kalman Zvi on this as he is more "up" on it. Nemi asked basically one question : what is the whole business of Zeicher & Zecher ? My brother's information is based on lectures he heard from Rabbi Mordechai Breuer, from Jerusalem, ISRAEL, an authority on "kisvei yad" (manuscripts) of Tanach (the 24 "books" of the Bible). Before the time of the Vilna Gaon, about 200 or so years ago, we find NO Halachic literature on the matter of Zeicher/Zecher. In fact, the Sepharadim have no such "question" in this matter - they say Zeicher (w/ a tzeire). "Zeicher IS an actual, REAL word found in Tanach - Tehillim (Psalms) 112:6. QUESTION : Is there a REAL word "Zecher" in tanach ? I'll have to check in a Koncordantzia (concordance). Are there any bekiim or baalei dikduk out there who can clue-in the rest of us ? As far as repeating parts of or the whole pasuk : In general, we try NOT to repeat ANY words. If there IS a word "zecher", then : (a) if it means the same thing as "zeicher" then perhaps we should NOT repeat the pasuk since we are already "yotzai" with this reading; on the other hand, repeating the pasuk would then be no worse than saying a pasuk from the Torah twice (Q - is there any problem with doing this, especially since THIS pasuk has a Shem ? also, if we repeat a pasuk, are we automatically implying that the first reading was wrong ? this Q can be asked in general.). (b) if "zecher" does NOT mean the same as "zeicher" (assuming that "zeicher" DOES mean that which we wish to say) then saying "zecher" in the context of the pasuk (1) may not make any sense, and (2) may therefore constitute saying a Shem "levatoloh" (for naught). Why do we say both ? Good question. My only answer now is - that is what is brought down in halachah, so that is what we do. In any case, I am NOT attempting to answer the question, just mentioning Rav Breuer's remarks. Rav Breuer also says that we should NOT say the other two "repeated verses" of the Megillah more than once - i.e., he says that we NOW have a good Masorah and should follow it. Most of us say both - at least wherever i've heard the Megillah; among the Sepharadim it may be different. A Freilichin Purim to one and all !!! Asher Meth allegra!cmcl2!acf4!axm9839