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Subject: SPACE Digest V3 #148    
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SPACE Digest                                      Volume 3 : Issue 148

Today's Topics:
	       Myths through history and space exploration
		     Re: Need Telephone Number - (nf)
			Re: Phase III AMSAT - (nf)
			Re: Shuttle History Wanted
		       more shuttle orbiters, cheap
			    taking no chances
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Date: 7 July 1983 19:10 EDT
From: Robert Elton Maas 
Subject: Myths through history and space exploration
To: SPACE @ MIT-MC

A few minutes ago I tuned in on the middle of a terrific program on
channel 60 (KCSM, San Mateo;PBS/teleclasses) -- I was wondering if
anybody else saw it or knew more about it.

The credits at the end said it was produced by Miami-Dade Community
College, copyright 1978. I didn't recognize any of the actors or other
contributors.

The program when I tuned in was about myths in history: including the
New World myth that America was a re-enactment of the Garden of Eden
except this time it'd come out with a happy ending. It mentionned the
myth of Aryan supremecy and the myth of Communism.

It then moved on to the myths of the space age: (1) Flying saucers are
friendly people watching over us, ready to intervene to save us if we
start to destroy ourselves; (2) Flying saucers are enemy people who
will exterminate us and take over our planet; (3) There's no evidence
for live elsewhere than on Earth, and in fact we may be the only
intelligent life anywhere in the Milky Way galaxy, thus our expansion
through this galaxy will be an important event in the history of the
whole galaxy; (4) Biological organisms faced with extinction sometimes
evolve to survive the crisis, and we now (faced with threats of
nuclear war and other disasters) are starting to adapt to space and
populate space to survive these threats.

I thought it was highly fascinating. Anybody else remember seeing it?
Anybody know when it'll be shown again? (I don't have a TV log.)

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Date: 7 Jul 83 17:19:14-PDT (Thu)
To: space @ Mit-Mc
From: menlo70!sri-unix!sjk @ Ucb-Vax
Subject: Re: Need Telephone Number - (nf)

The best way to find the current 900 numbers is to dial 900 information:
(900) 555-1212.

scott kramer 

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Date: 7 Jul 83 17:19:41-PDT (Thu)
To: space @ Mit-Mc
From: menlo70!sri-unix!larson @ Ucb-Vax
Subject: Re: Phase III AMSAT - (nf)

  Yes, but there are some problems.  Hopefully they will be resolved
soon.  See net.ham-radio for details.
	Alan

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Date: 1 Jul 83 11:16:00-PDT (Fri)
To: space @ Mit-Mc
From: ihnp4!ihlts!rjnoe @ Ucb-Vax
Subject: Re: Shuttle History Wanted

Can someone fill in the details I am missing on the manned
shuttle missions?  Mail or posting here will be appreciated.

Manned free flight (ALT) tests in OV-101 Enterprise:
           Time     Separation                            Test
  Date     m:ss      Altitude      Crew                   Objectives

08/12/77   5:21      24100 ft     Haise, Fullerton       separation test
09/13/77   5:28      26000 ft     Engle, Truly           flight control
09/23/77   5:34      24700 ft     Haise, Fullerton       test autoland
10/12/77   2:34      22400 ft     Engle, Truly           no tail fairing
10/26/77   2:02      19900 ft     Haise, Fullerton       15000 ft. runway



STS  Launched   Duration  Rev.  OV#  Crew (CDR, PLT, MS, ...)

 1   04/12/81   54:20:52   36   102  John W. Young, Robert L. Crippen
 2   11/12/81   54:13:??   36   102  Joe H. Engle, Richard H. Truly
 3   03/22/82  193:??:??  128?  102  Jack R. Lousma, Charles G. Fullerton
 4   06/27/82  168:??:??  112?  102  Thomas K. Mattingly, Henry W. Hartsfield
 5   11/11/82  122:14:25   81   102  Vance D. Brand, Robert F. Overmyer,
                                     William B. Lenoir, Joseph P. Allen
 6   04/04/83  120:24:32   80   099  Paul J. Weitz, Karol J. Bobko,
    @13:30 EST                       F. Story Musgrave, Donald H. Peterson
 7   06/18/83  146:24:20   98   099  Robert L. Crippen, Frederick H. Hauck,
    @06:33 EST                       John M. Fabian, Sally K. Ride,
                                     Norman E. Thagard

Notes:
STS-1   Landed Rogers Lake bed at Edwards AFB (EAFB).
STS-2   Successful RMS test.  Shortened from 83 rev (124 hr) mission
        because of fuel cell failure.  Landed EAFB again.
STS-3   Landed Northrup strip at White Sands NM one day late due to
        high winds there; EAFB was too wet.
STS-4   Final test flight.  SRBs lost in Atlantic.  First landing on
        concrete runway (#22 EAFB).
STS-5   EVA scrubbed due to EMU failure.  Launched SBS, Canada Telesat
        (Anik-C) satellites.
STS-6   First flight of Challenger.  TDRS-A deployed but IUS failed.
        First U.S. EVA in 9 years (Musgrave & Peterson, 04/07/83).
STS-7   Launched Canada Telesat (Anik) and Indonesian (Palapa) satellites.
        Deployment, formation, and retrieval of SPAS-01.  KSC landing
        cancelled because of fog; landed EAFB #22.


If any of this is incorrect, PLEASE don't hesitate to correct me.

	Roger Noe		...ihnp4!ihlts!rjnoe

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From: decvax!genrad!linus!utzoo!henry @ Ucb-Vax
Subject: more shuttle orbiters, cheap
Article-I.D.: utzoo.3065

In the midst of an otherwise-irrelevant paper in the Journal of the
British Interplanetary Society I ran across something a bit startling.
It was discussing the matter of an expanded Shuttle fleet.  The current
production price of an orbiter is about $1 billion, mostly because it
is essentially a one-shot construction job.  The price would drop quite
dramatically, it seems, if a production line were set up.  The paper
gave the number of $200 million per orbiter.  Now, here's the striking
part:  as few as half a dozen more orbiters could justify setting up
the production line.  In other words, $1 billion right now will buy you
one more orbiter;  $1.2 billion will buy SIX more orbiters!  Now that
is more like a reasonable fleet!

The odds of NASA funding a fifth orbiter right now seem poor, and the
time for a decision is fast approaching.  Startup costs for further
production will rise sharply in the near future as the construction
facilities start to shut down.  STC's bid to privately fund a fifth
orbiter in exchange for orbiter marketing rights is still unresolved,
last I heard.  But if STC puts up $1 billion for one orbiter, maybe
NASA could be convinced to spend $0.2 billion to change "one" to "six".

Does anybody know if the figures are accurate?  The author of the
paper didn't give a reference for them.
-- 
				Henry Spencer
				U of Toronto
				{allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henry

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From: decvax!genrad!linus!utzoo!henry @ Ucb-Vax
Subject: taking no chances
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A recent issue of Flight International had an interesting photograph.
It was one engine pylon of the 747 Shuttle Carrier, as seen on the
ground at the Paris Air Show.  The interesting part was the two little
cylinders fastened to the pylon, high up under the wing.  These are
not standard 747 equipment.  According to the caption they are infrared
jammers, for confusing heat-seeking missiles!  Seems NASA and the USAF
weren't taking any chances on somebody shooting at the Enterprise
while it was out touring the world.
-- 
				Henry Spencer
				U of Toronto
				{allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henry

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