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From: tim@unc.UUCP
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Subject: Re: Boy, am I catching it..... - (nf)
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Date: Sun, 10-Jul-83 19:04:40 EDT
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Posted: Sun Jul 10 19:04:40 1983
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    Another response to a response to a response.  The response to
which I am responding was written by Eric Holtman about a response of
mine to an article by Ray Jender.  That article was a response to
a newpaper story about what Mr. Jender quaintly referred to as
"Faggots' Pride Week".

            Here is an interesting statement by Tim Maroney,
        and [I] have but one question to ask.....

                    Of course, you do know that most
                of the people who react as virulently
                as you to the presence of homosexuals
                have grave doubts about their own
                masculinity, and feel obligated to
                prove their macho-hood by primate
                dominance rituals such as the one you
                have demonstrated for us, namely the
                slinging of shit.

            Ok Tim. Where's your proof that person A is in
        doubt of his 'alignment' just because he happens to
        hate gays??  Does this statement mean that I might
        have latent bestial tendencies just because I hate
        dogs??  Let's see some proof!!!!

    I don't have any proof.  Very few people have any sort of proof of
their opinions about people's psychology.  Complex human behavior does
not seem to be generally describable by the scientific method; that is
why it should be legislated only to the absolute minimum extent
necessary.  B. F. Skinner would disagree, but I thought that the
models he presented in "Verbal Behavior" were strained to say the
least.

    I fail to see the content of your analogy with bestiality.  Mr.
Jender hates gays, not all men, which rather undermines your parallel.
If you hated those who were into bestiality beyond all reason and
without apparent motivation, I would certainly come to suspect that it
was what Freud referred to as "reaction formation", which is what I am
attributing to Mr. Jender.  The phenomenon of reaction formation is
well known to us all, even if not by that name, and it would surprise
me if it were not a major motivating factor behind much of the hatred
for gays in this culture.

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