Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!floyd!vax135!ariel!houti!hogpc!houxm!hocda!spanky!burl!duke!unc!tim From: tim@unc.UUCP Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Boy, am I catching it..... - (nf) Message-ID: <5536@unc.UUCP> Date: Sun, 10-Jul-83 19:04:40 EDT Article-I.D.: unc.5536 Posted: Sun Jul 10 19:04:40 1983 Date-Received: Tue, 12-Jul-83 05:59:54 EDT References: whuxlb.1213 Lines: 50 Another response to a response to a response. The response to which I am responding was written by Eric Holtman about a response of mine to an article by Ray Jender. That article was a response to a newpaper story about what Mr. Jender quaintly referred to as "Faggots' Pride Week". Here is an interesting statement by Tim Maroney, and [I] have but one question to ask..... Of course, you do know that most of the people who react as virulently as you to the presence of homosexuals have grave doubts about their own masculinity, and feel obligated to prove their macho-hood by primate dominance rituals such as the one you have demonstrated for us, namely the slinging of shit. Ok Tim. Where's your proof that person A is in doubt of his 'alignment' just because he happens to hate gays?? Does this statement mean that I might have latent bestial tendencies just because I hate dogs?? Let's see some proof!!!! I don't have any proof. Very few people have any sort of proof of their opinions about people's psychology. Complex human behavior does not seem to be generally describable by the scientific method; that is why it should be legislated only to the absolute minimum extent necessary. B. F. Skinner would disagree, but I thought that the models he presented in "Verbal Behavior" were strained to say the least. I fail to see the content of your analogy with bestiality. Mr. Jender hates gays, not all men, which rather undermines your parallel. If you hated those who were into bestiality beyond all reason and without apparent motivation, I would certainly come to suspect that it was what Freud referred to as "reaction formation", which is what I am attributing to Mr. Jender. The phenomenon of reaction formation is well known to us all, even if not by that name, and it would surprise me if it were not a major motivating factor behind much of the hatred for gays in this culture. ______________________________________ The overworked keyboard of Tim Maroney duke!unc!tim (USENET) tim.unc@udel-relay (ARPA) The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill