Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site rochester.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!seismo!rochester!ee461 From: ee461@rochester.UUCP (VLSI class) Newsgroups: net.rec.nude Subject: Re: Nude Recreation Primer Message-ID: <2426@rochester.UUCP> Date: Fri, 29-Jul-83 22:14:18 EDT Article-I.D.: rocheste.2426 Posted: Fri Jul 29 22:14:18 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 1-Aug-83 04:47:23 EDT References: <187@houxh.UUCP> Organization: U. of Rochester, CS Dept. Lines: 80 Just a few more comments and answers to some assorted questions. I can't voice an opinion about all issues, as my naturist experience is of foreign origin (and so am I, so please excuse my grammatical errors...). The situation of naturists in my country (Poland) is similar as in the U.S.A., at least this is my impression from what I hear around here. That is: nude beaches are not considered legal, but there are several places where one can expose all skin to the sun without any problems. I think that the basic facts about why there are some people who prefer nude beaches over textile ones are similar everywhere. Q: Why go bare? and why is it so interesting? comfort? sexuality? protest? A:"interesting" ???? It is just natural. Free from the false prudence, free from feeling ashamed of your body, free from the convenance of putting on a piece of cloth that serves no real purpose. Feeling ashamed when one is seen naked is not inherited - it is a result of indoctrination that each individual is submitted to in each educational system (parents usually included) in this world. First, I agree with all reasons give by Pete LaMaster. Additional reasons: In 25 years of experiments I failed to discover a method of getting out from water with my swim-pants dry. And I don't like them wet. Also, there is no way to change to dry clothes without getting some sand in them. And even if you manage to avoid the sand when changing your fabric, the sand will get there when you sit down or try to involve in any kind of beach sport. And if it gets there, it'll be itchy (especially THERE). Pete admitted that he likes to look at naked women. Anybody out there who doesn't ??? And I also agree that swimsuits are much sexier than nudity seen on a beach (which is, by the way, seen usually in large quantities). After all, clothing that is not designed to protect from weather, is quite frequently designed to stimulate sexual desires. And this kind of stimulation IS programmed in our genetic structure ... Friendliness: This is one of more important issues. On a clothed beach, what is the usual reaction of a blanket-owner when a kid running by kicks a single grain of sand onto the surgically clean surface of the blanket? Or a reaction to somebody's dog shaking off water? Usually the owner issues such a growl that the poor dog runs away with his tail between legs. The kid, being no equipped with a portable psychical-stress-reliever has nightmares for next two weeks, I imagine. Nothing like this on a nude beach. People are really friendly to others. By the way, speaking about nudity versus sexuality: It appears, that one of frequent factors that restrain people from going to a nude beach is that they are afraid of embarassment if seeing lots of naked bodies would get them aroused. NO WAY. In large quantities it doesn't work. An analogy (maybe not so great): have you ever seen anybody who works in a chocolate factory that would actually eat chocolate candies? Q: How safe are the places? Are the cops waiting with binoculars? Old men in overcoats? Photography nuts? Hell's Angels? From my experience, one can always expect that some weirdo is hiding in bushes nearby with a binocular or other telescopic device. BUT WHO CARES? There are a few hundred people around with their eyes open most of the time anyway, and one doesn't mind their presence. Photographing: as Pete LaMaster has mentioned, within group of friends it is usually OK. And you make friends MUCH FASTER in this society we are talking about. However, if you are new to the particular beach, better leave your telephoto lenses at home. Safety: I'd say you are safer than on a textile beach. If somebody gives you a trouble you can always expect help from your friends around. Lifeguards and cops: we were lucky in our place just outside of Warsaw. Police boat with a crew skilled in lifesaving was usually around. The only way to tell the cops from the other people was that they were more tan. Q: Why are there so few contributors to this newsgroup? How about some articles from others? Well, here you've got a new contributor, signed right below. Krzysztof "not a pantsy" Kozminski (ee461@rochester) PS: "pantsy" is a bad translation from Polish, meaning: "one wearing pants on a beach". Not meant to insult anybody.