Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!floyd!vax135!ariel!houti!hogpc!houxm!ihnp4!ixn5c!inuxc!pur-ee!iuvax!isrnix!tim From: tim@isrnix.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Limited Laws for All Time? Message-ID: <260@isrnix.UUCP> Date: Fri, 1-Jul-83 01:06:39 EDT Article-I.D.: isrnix.260 Posted: Fri Jul 1 01:06:39 1983 Date-Received: Sat, 2-Jul-83 06:50:47 EDT References: cbscd5.237 Lines: 25 In response to Larry Cipriani's assertion that I am claiming that "the facts of reality are insufficient to prove the facts of reality" I can only say one thing-since when did Tom Craver's attempt to set up strictly delimited set of laws for government ever incorporate all the facts of reality? Since when has it incorporated any facts at all for that matter? Are you claiming a mathematical system that will embrace everything we will or could ever know about reality? That would be quite interesting! My point is indeed relevant to claims for some eternally valid set of laws for humanity-the idea of complex numbers was developed historically as one way to deal with a tricky mathematical problem. It was not a part of the original foundation of that problem. At one time it was thought that Euclidean geometry was all there was- this is it folks, we got all the laws that could ever be for geometry right here! Of course that has later been agreed not to be the case,as non-Euclidean geometry has been incorporated into Einstein's theories. Most people think of mathematics as something indubitable-you're either right or not. By pointing out that even in the realm of abstractions (Kant's synthetic propositions?)from reality where everything would seem to be cut and dried it really isn't. If mathematics then develops and cannot be put into some box that will fit it for all time, once again I ask, how can the morality of human beings and their relations? anyhow it probably IS true that "the facts of reality are insufficient to prove the facts of reality"! Tim Sevener decvax!pur-ee!iuvax!isrnix!tim