Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mark From: mark@utzoo.UUCP (mark bloore) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Re: logic Message-ID: <3130@utzoo.UUCP> Date: Tue, 2-Aug-83 23:55:14 EDT Article-I.D.: utzoo.3130 Posted: Tue Aug 2 23:55:14 1983 Date-Received: Tue, 2-Aug-83 23:55:14 EDT References: utzoo.3122, <505@dadla-b.UUCP> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 26 from a continuing discussion between hutch and myself: How then can you fault God, who has made it possible for us cracked and saggy and highly imperfect (don't bore me by claiming to be perfect or even remotely close to it) creations, to become perfect? so who made us cracked and saggy and highly imperfect? your analogy between us and the potter's rejects suggests that our troubles are god's bad luck. does god depend on luck? shall i thank god for offering a helping hand after dumping me in the mud? What I challenge in all this is your claim that even if you did believe in the Christian view of God, that you would turn from Him because you could not accept His actions. Would you similarly turn away from your views on natural history and evolution because of the massive cruelty inherent in the destruction of those thousands of species of dinosaur when the asteroid fell? natural history does not choose to do cruel things, they just happen. if god chooses to cause suffering then i shall certainly take exception to it. if he has no choise, then why should i worship him? he is not doing anything special. mARK bLOORE univ of toronto {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!mark