Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!seismo!hao!hplabs!sri-unix!v.postman@UCLA-LOCUS From: v.postman%UCLA-LOCUS@sri-unix.UUCP Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Undeliverable mail Message-ID: <2892@sri-arpa.UUCP> Date: Fri, 8-Jul-83 06:34:51 EDT Article-I.D.: sri-arpa.2892 Posted: Fri Jul 8 06:34:51 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 11-Jul-83 20:33:33 EDT Lines: 202 From: UCLA-DEPTVAX Mail Handler===== POSTMAN output follows ===== "borris": not delivered (unknown user) ===== unsent message follows ===== Received: from S1-A by SU-AI with TCP/SMTP; 8 Jul 83 03:04:28 PDT Date: 08 Jul 83 0302 PDT From: Ted Anderson Subject: SPACE Digest V3 #148 To: SPACE@MIT-MC Reply-To: Space-Enthusiasts at MIT-MC SPACE Digest Volume 3 : Issue 148 Today's Topics: Myths through history and space exploration Re: Need Telephone Number - (nf) Re: Phase III AMSAT - (nf) Re: Shuttle History Wanted more shuttle orbiters, cheap taking no chances ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 July 1983 19:10 EDT From: Robert Elton Maas Subject: Myths through history and space exploration To: SPACE @ MIT-MC A few minutes ago I tuned in on the middle of a terrific program on channel 60 (KCSM, San Mateo;PBS/teleclasses) -- I was wondering if anybody else saw it or knew more about it. The credits at the end said it was produced by Miami-Dade Community College, copyright 1978. I didn't recognize any of the actors or other contributors. The program when I tuned in was about myths in history: including the New World myth that America was a re-enactment of the Garden of Eden except this time it'd come out with a happy ending. It mentionned the myth of Aryan supremecy and the myth of Communism. It then moved on to the myths of the space age: (1) Flying saucers are friendly people watching over us, ready to intervene to save us if we start to destroy ourselves; (2) Flying saucers are enemy people who will exterminate us and take over our planet; (3) There's no evidence for live elsewhere than on Earth, and in fact we may be the only intelligent life anywhere in the Milky Way galaxy, thus our expansion through this galaxy will be an important event in the history of the whole galaxy; (4) Biological organisms faced with extinction sometimes evolve to survive the crisis, and we now (faced with threats of nuclear war and other disasters) are starting to adapt to space and populate space to survive these threats. I thought it was highly fascinating. Anybody else remember seeing it? Anybody know when it'll be shown again? (I don't have a TV log.) ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jul 83 17:19:14-PDT (Thu) To: space @ Mit-Mc From: menlo70!sri-unix!sjk @ Ucb-Vax Subject: Re: Need Telephone Number - (nf) The best way to find the current 900 numbers is to dial 900 information: (900) 555-1212. scott kramer ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jul 83 17:19:41-PDT (Thu) To: space @ Mit-Mc From: menlo70!sri-unix!larson @ Ucb-Vax Subject: Re: Phase III AMSAT - (nf) Yes, but there are some problems. Hopefully they will be resolved soon. See net.ham-radio for details. Alan ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 83 11:16:00-PDT (Fri) To: space @ Mit-Mc From: ihnp4!ihlts!rjnoe @ Ucb-Vax Subject: Re: Shuttle History Wanted Can someone fill in the details I am missing on the manned shuttle missions? Mail or posting here will be appreciated. Manned free flight (ALT) tests in OV-101 Enterprise: Time Separation Test Date m:ss Altitude Crew Objectives 08/12/77 5:21 24100 ft Haise, Fullerton separation test 09/13/77 5:28 26000 ft Engle, Truly flight control 09/23/77 5:34 24700 ft Haise, Fullerton test autoland 10/12/77 2:34 22400 ft Engle, Truly no tail fairing 10/26/77 2:02 19900 ft Haise, Fullerton 15000 ft. runway STS Launched Duration Rev. OV# Crew (CDR, PLT, MS, ...) 1 04/12/81 54:20:52 36 102 John W. Young, Robert L. Crippen 2 11/12/81 54:13:?? 36 102 Joe H. Engle, Richard H. Truly 3 03/22/82 193:??:?? 128? 102 Jack R. Lousma, Charles G. Fullerton 4 06/27/82 168:??:?? 112? 102 Thomas K. Mattingly, Henry W. Hartsfield 5 11/11/82 122:14:25 81 102 Vance D. Brand, Robert F. Overmyer, William B. Lenoir, Joseph P. Allen 6 04/04/83 120:24:32 80 099 Paul J. Weitz, Karol J. Bobko, @13:30 EST F. Story Musgrave, Donald H. Peterson 7 06/18/83 146:24:20 98 099 Robert L. Crippen, Frederick H. Hauck, @06:33 EST John M. Fabian, Sally K. Ride, Norman E. Thagard Notes: STS-1 Landed Rogers Lake bed at Edwards AFB (EAFB). STS-2 Successful RMS test. Shortened from 83 rev (124 hr) mission because of fuel cell failure. Landed EAFB again. STS-3 Landed Northrup strip at White Sands NM one day late due to high winds there; EAFB was too wet. STS-4 Final test flight. SRBs lost in Atlantic. First landing on concrete runway (#22 EAFB). STS-5 EVA scrubbed due to EMU failure. Launched SBS, Canada Telesat (Anik-C) satellites. STS-6 First flight of Challenger. TDRS-A deployed but IUS failed. First U.S. EVA in 9 years (Musgrave & Peterson, 04/07/83). STS-7 Launched Canada Telesat (Anik) and Indonesian (Palapa) satellites. Deployment, formation, and retrieval of SPAS-01. KSC landing cancelled because of fog; landed EAFB #22. If any of this is incorrect, PLEASE don't hesitate to correct me. Roger Noe ...ihnp4!ihlts!rjnoe ------------------------------ Received: from MIT-MC by S1-A with TCP/SMTP; 8 Jul 83 02:33:41 PDT Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 8 Jul 83 2:25-PDT Date: 2 Jul 83 23:18:15-PDT (Sat) To: space @ Mit-Mc From: decvax!genrad!linus!utzoo!henry @ Ucb-Vax Subject: more shuttle orbiters, cheap Article-I.D.: utzoo.3065 In the midst of an otherwise-irrelevant paper in the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society I ran across something a bit startling. It was discussing the matter of an expanded Shuttle fleet. The current production price of an orbiter is about $1 billion, mostly because it is essentially a one-shot construction job. The price would drop quite dramatically, it seems, if a production line were set up. The paper gave the number of $200 million per orbiter. Now, here's the striking part: as few as half a dozen more orbiters could justify setting up the production line. In other words, $1 billion right now will buy you one more orbiter; $1.2 billion will buy SIX more orbiters! Now that is more like a reasonable fleet! The odds of NASA funding a fifth orbiter right now seem poor, and the time for a decision is fast approaching. Startup costs for further production will rise sharply in the near future as the construction facilities start to shut down. STC's bid to privately fund a fifth orbiter in exchange for orbiter marketing rights is still unresolved, last I heard. But if STC puts up $1 billion for one orbiter, maybe NASA could be convinced to spend $0.2 billion to change "one" to "six". Does anybody know if the figures are accurate? The author of the paper didn't give a reference for them. -- Henry Spencer U of Toronto {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Received: from MIT-MC by S1-A with TCP/SMTP; 8 Jul 83 02:34:09 PDT Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 8 Jul 83 2:24-PDT Date: 2 Jul 83 23:22:45-PDT (Sat) To: space @ Mit-Mc From: decvax!genrad!linus!utzoo!henry @ Ucb-Vax Subject: taking no chances Article-I.D.: utzoo.3066 A recent issue of Flight International had an interesting photograph. It was one engine pylon of the 747 Shuttle Carrier, as seen on the ground at the Paris Air Show. The interesting part was the two little cylinders fastened to the pylon, high up under the wing. These are not standard 747 equipment. According to the caption they are infrared jammers, for confusing heat-seeking missiles! Seems NASA and the USAF weren't taking any chances on somebody shooting at the Enterprise while it was out touring the world. -- Henry Spencer U of Toronto {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henry ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest *******************