From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!seismo!rocheste!kink Newsgroups: net.suicide Title: Re: Raid #2 (Warning Shots) Article-I.D.: rocheste.717 Posted: Wed Feb 16 16:46:15 1983 Received: Mon Feb 21 19:34:33 1983 References: cbosgd.3107 I think that Mr. C. DeGaul's comments are a bit out of line. Suicide is a sensitive subject, but I believe that there is no crime in helping to create an informed public. Whether or not there is ever an "appropriate" time to commit suicide is debatable (though Mr. DeGaul probably doesn't agree). I have a related example: Suppose I had just inadvertantly inhaled a portion of my Big Mac. I am sitting in front of my terminal aspirating, and making funny faces. Further suppose that this food, lodged behind my epiglatus (sp ?) cannot be removed by the two conventional methods (compression of sternum or towel down throat) and that I will be dead in a few minutes unless I receive a tracheatomy. There is no doctor within 15 minutes reach. Now personally, I would prefer if the person sitting at the next terminal did a make-shift tracheatomy with his Bic pen and the straw in his Coke than that I die in Rochester, NY. Would he succeed?? Who knows? It depends on how much he knows. Would such a procedure be legal? I don't care. If a person is really in bad shape (ie. terminal cancer (no their Teleray doesn't keep dividing) with severe untreatable pain) then they should know the best (least painful, most effective, or most interesting) way of doing themselves in. If I, in a fit of instability, kill myself "needlessly," that's just too bad for me (and mine). Am I a cold-hearted orb??? Andy Papp (kink) seismo or allegra ! rochester ! kink