From: utzoo!decvax!yale-com!brunix!gh Newsgroups: net.suicide Title: Re: drivel Article-I.D.: brunix.1549 Posted: Tue Feb 15 10:01:14 1983 Received: Fri Feb 18 06:54:53 1983 References: rabbit.1127 In defense of Enid Brown against the accursed rabbit!bimmler: Preventing a suicide by invoking arguments of what it would do to the survivors is perfectly reasonable. After all, the conventional wisdom is that many/most suicides are in effect acts directed against the survivors: "Look what you drove me to; I hope this makes you miserable for the rest of your life". Making a person feel loved and wanted is important! As readers of this group should know, being dead doesn't hurt (even if dying does). What hurts is not being dead. To prevent a suicide, that's what you have to try to change, and the strategy used for that must depend on the individual. I don't know if Enid did the best thing or not, but she was there, she knew CW, so we have to trust her judgment. It all makes me want to run right out and join the Samaritans. Graeme Hirst, Brown University Computer Science