From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!floyd!cmcl2!philabs!sdcsvax!sdccsu3!iy47ab Newsgroups: net.suicide Title: Re: drivel Article-I.D.: sdccsu3.321 Posted: Fri Feb 18 14:31:16 1983 Received: Thu Feb 24 19:10:37 1983 References: rabbit.1127 I am going to make a sincere effort not to flame at rabbit!bimmler, if only because I'd like to try to be polite (why?). It is surely understood that love can be extended to many, in different ways, not just to the person you are "in love" with! And also; the problem with someone who is suicidal is basically that they *don't* care about themself (actually, that they think no one else does). This is not all of it; don't get me wrong; but it is important. By saying "*I* need you, *I* will miss you," you encourage the person to think about other people and to move away from themself for just a moment. If they truly care about you and about being a good person (and suicides almost invariably do) this will move them to stop and consider for a moment; and it's that moment that must be used to talk them out of it. Suicides are people, they are not mutants. Love is not selfish, but sometimes its language must be. This is one of those times. being as reasonable as I can... arwen