From: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!CAD:tektronix!tekmdp!bronze!grahamr
Newsgroups: net.aviation
Title: Re: safety pilots
Article-I.D.: bronze.368
Posted: Wed Jan 12 09:18:33 1983
Received: Fri Jan 14 08:43:29 1983

I think I can shed some more regulatory murk on the subject.

FAR Part 1 gives:  "Flight time" means the time from the moment the
aircraft first moves under its own power [Ed note: what about
sailplanes?????] for the purpose of flight until the moment it comes to
rest at the next point of landing....  "Pilot in command" means the
pilot responsible for the operation and safety of an aircraft during
flight time....  "Second in command" means a pilot who is designated to
be second in command of an aircraft during flight time.

As we all know here in software engineering, being responsible for
something's operation is not the same as being the person who makes it
operate.  The "sole manipulator" phrase appears in part 61 in
connection with *logging* the time, *not* in the definition of "pilot
in command."  The way I read the regulations, either the hooded pilot
or the safety pilot can log pilot-in-command time, but not both.  The
other person can log second-in-command time.  There *is* a regulation
(91.21(b)(1), mentioned by rabbit!ark) that requires two pilots when
one of them is hooded.  Because of this, the multiple-pilot clauses in
61.51(c)(2,3) go into effect:

"A ... pilot may log as pilot in command time ... that flight time ...
when he acts as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one
pilot is required under ... the regulations under which the flight is
conducted." [Similarly for second in command.]

Under this clause, the pilot in command need not be sole manipulator of
the controls.  Furthermore, second in command just has to be
"designated."  It looks to me like you can designate yourselves and
then go flying.  If you designate yourselves afterwards nobody will
know the difference.  A logbook entry showing second in command AND
simulated instrument time might look a little funny, but I think it's
legal.

	-Graham Ross, Tektronix
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