From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!floyd!vax135!ariel!houti!trc
Newsgroups: net.politics
Title: The Roots of Socialism are rotted
Article-I.D.: houti.214
Posted: Tue Feb 22 19:17:18 1983
Received: Wed Feb 23 05:21:22 1983



To understand what is wrong with Socialism, one cannot start at its products
and work down.  It is necessary to go the the roots, and try to see how
the products are a natural result of those roots.

To get at the roots, it is necessary to ask some very basic questions.  

Does a human being have a right to live?
	I think that this can be given an unqualified YES for normal
	humans.  (In considering cases such as murderers, it is only 
	necessary to see that, if another would interfere with ones
	basic right to life, self-defense, including killing, is just.)

What makes life worth living - IE, what is it that, without it, one would
be better off dead?
	I think that it is the ability to achieve values that makes life
	worthwhile.  (Some values are better than others for one, but
	even if one has bad values, life is less enjoyable if they cannot
	be achieved.)

How can values be achieved best?
	By the free choice of the individual among opportunities (or 
	disadvantages - choosing the lesser of evils) - the individual
	will most naturally choose those things that fulfill highest values.

Do humans have a right to possess non-human things?
	Yes - because those things help achieve values, and so enhance ones'
	life.  (Living but non-rational things are an interesting case,
	but do not void my answer.)

What does it mean to possess something?
	To have the right to make choices about that thing in order to
	achieve one's own values.  This MUST include the right to not
	allow others to make choices with regard to that thing.

Is it possible for more than one person to TOTALLY (ie not in shares)
possess something?
	No - for different individuals have different values, which will
	lead to different choices for that thing.  Since both choices
	cannot be taken, the individuals will not both have full choice
	with regard to the thing.

What does Socialism mean?
	All "means of production" (in reality, anything can serve to fill
	a value, so really everything) are owned in equal shares by everyone,
	with no individual totally possessing any thing.

Since socialism does not now exist, and never has, in the full sense,
how can socialism be created?
	Since individuals now possess things, they must give up possession.
	Since this will mean that those possessing things will lose
	the benefits of possession, they will not wish  to  do so.
	Thus they must be FORCED to give up their possessions - that
	is, it is necessary to violate their rights of possession by threat
	or application of violence.

How can socialism be sustained in the face of individuals' natural desire
to regain that which was stolen from them?
	By continued force.

Assuming that force can be used effectively long enough that the original
possessors die and their children forget their lost inheritance, what 
remains wrong with socialism?
	Since choices will be made without regard to individual values,
	almost no-ones' values will be satisfied, beyond the basic
	animal needs - food, etc.  Further, even the latter will not
	be the first choice, since those in positions to choose will
	most naturally choose in ways that tend to benefit themselves.
	Those having the power of choice for others will make choices
	that extend their (and their descendants') benefit.  In effect,
	and in truth, those individuals will possess all things.  Since
	all others must do as they are ordered (Force, again) in all
	things, they do not even possess their own lives.

	Hence, the origin of statements such as "Under socialism, my
	life is not my own" and "Better dead than Red".  The latter is
	literally true, if "Red" is taken to mean any form of full
	socialism or communism.  Life is not worth living if it is
	impossible to achieve any values.


What is Capitalism?
	The recognition of the natural right of possession as a means
	to the end of achievement of values, by the individuals involved.
	(It is not necessary to have "the government" recognize this right 
	in order for it to be a right.  However, since the government 
	has a monopoly on force, it is necessary for the government to
	recognize and support the right of possession.  It does this
	by refraining from use of force except to counter force that is
	applied to deprive individuals of their rights (not just the
	right of possession.)  It is only obligated to use its force
	in support of its own citizens, but it must not use its force
	against any individual's rights, citizen or not.

Is, or has the US ever been, a capitalistic nation?
	No, not fully.  It has been close, at times.  However, we
	have had a mixed economy almost from the start.  Freedom and life
	satisfaction has waned in proportion to the waxing of government
	control (IE choice and so possession) over individuals and their
	property.

Doesnt Capitalism mean that some people have to give up their production
to "Capitalists"?
	No - they can quit their jobs and be self employed - they
	can use their own capital (IE possessions) rather than using
	that of others.  The owners of the means of production (the
	capitalists) have a right to whatever benefits they can get,
	without use of force, from their capital.  

What about the poor?
	They generally have the ability to work, somehow.  If not,
	they will often have someone who is willing to support them.
	If all else fails, there are charities - nothing about capitalism
	says that it is wrong to give to others - merely to be forced
	to give.

The above views are my own, probably flawed view, of the far less flawed
vision of Ayn Rand on the subject.  I apologize to her memory (or estate),
or to anyone who knows those views better.

	Tom Craver
	houti!trc