From: utzoo!decvax!yale-com!meyer Newsgroups: net.women Title: Re: Rational Argument Against Abortion Article-I.D.: yale-com.750 Posted: Sat Jan 29 09:29:23 1983 Received: Sun Jan 30 01:14:09 1983 If the child is human 5 seconds after it is born, it must be human 5 seconds before it traverses the birth canal. And because nothing is supplied to the child during the nine month period when it is living in its mother's womb, other than food, oxygen, waste removal, and protection, then it must have been human from the very beginning of its existence, the moment of conception. There is no magical moment when a child suddenly "becomes" human. It always was. "Beginning of its existence"?, "Always was"? - Do you believe a fertilized egg is created from *nothing*? Modern science suggests that just before conecption the scene consists of an egg with a little sperm just outside of it. Why does whether the sperm is inside or outside change the moral rights of the egg &/or egg/sperm system? (You just said that in the case of babies being inside/outside the womb made no difference.) I used to take a casual accepting view of abortion until I forced myself to sit back and examine the facts that I have referred to above. ... If one accepts the fact that a child is truly a human being from the moment of conception, then one must be truly, overwhelmingly horrified at the 15 million abortion deaths that have occurred in the last 10 years. Hitler's holocaust had nothing on modern day America. It's kind of weird that you have to sit back and do intellectual examinations to decide what is morally MURDER and what isn't. Doesn't seem like that is necessary in the holocaust case.