From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!floyd!vax135!ariel!orion!lime!burdvax!psuvax!sibley Newsgroups: net.bugs.4bsd Title: Re: csh jobs/tostop bug Article-I.D.: psuvax.1152 Posted: Mon Jan 17 16:59:16 1983 Received: Wed Jan 19 07:32:40 1983 The article from utah-gr!thomas contained a reasonable analysis of the "stty tostop" problem, but missed at least one important point. A little experimentation shows that most stty commands stop when run in background, regardless of the setting of "tostop". I guess this is a feature, so background jobs can't affect your terminal, similar to the way they can't change the environment. At least this is consistent. Try stty tabs & Whether you have tabs or tostop set or not, this stops with the (tty output) message. This is a little confusing, as there isn't really any output. It's just unwilling to change things unless it's in foreground. Since stty calls are equivalent to ioctl's, I guess ioctl would show the same behavior. I can't find any of this in the manual, however. Dave Sibley Department of Mathematics Penn State University psuvax!sibley