From: utzoo!decvax!sultan!dag
Newsgroups: net.flame,net.religion
Title: A reply to Dave Lee
Article-I.D.: sultan.139
Posted: Wed Feb  9 16:52:27 1983
Received: Sat Feb 12 01:32:54 1983
References: floyd.1165

I don't know why people try to use Christian documents to justify what
they interpret as being the meaning of Jewish documents to the Jewish
populace.  Revalations is not in the old testiment, or as we call it,
the Holy Scriptures.  The books in the Jewish Bible are:

	The Pentateuch (The Torah)

		Genesis
		Exodus
		Leviticus
		Numbers
		Deuteronomy

	The rest...

		Joshua
		Judges
		I Samuel
		II Samuel
		I Kings
		II Kings
		Isaiah
		Ezekiel
	(The twelve)
		Hosea
		Joel
		Amos
		Obadiha
		Jonah
		Micah
		Nahum
		Habakkuk
		Zephaniah
		Haggai
		Zechariah
		Malachi

	(Back to the writings...)

		Psalms
		Proverbs
		Job
		Song of Songs
		Ruth
		Lamentations
		Ecclesiastes}i
		Esther
		Daniel
		Ezra
		Nehemiah
		I Chronicles
		II Chronicles

Only the first five books - The Pentetuch or Torah (The Law) are considered
to be written with divine intervention.  The rest of the books are less
holy and broken into several groups.  The last group, the writings, are}i
not taken as the word of god at all - they are histories and allegory, as is
most of the rest of the bible, that are there for their illustrative value.
The name "Saten" is found in several places in these later books - but only
as the name of a man, not as a being of the devil's caliber.  The god Baal is
mentioned in one writing - he was the god of a rival religion.  Judaism never
made him into the embodyment of all evil.  I have read the bible (Jewish) in
its hebrew form and know the nuances of translation.

Something that should be pointed out.  In general, the Jewish interpretation
of the Bible and other holy writings is nothing like the Christian "gospel"
interpretation -  As I have been taught, the Bible is not the word of God.
It is, in short, "the work of man, for man, to help man understand that that
it is beyond understanding."  Some have said in this forum that Jews have told
them that the reason they did not believe in Jesus as Christ is that they did
not think that the Christ has come yet.  I've yet to meet a Jew who thought
this way.  The embodyment of God into the form of a single man is not an
option in the Law...  This kind of personification of God is strictly
forbidden in my teaching at least, and I think that the roots of this can
be found in Deuteronomy.  I am no religious scholar, but I do know that many
of the arguments made in order to prove to me the correctness of the
Christian view involve concepts that are abominations to the Jewish
viewpoint.

This is longwinded, but I'm home, sick, and have more time than I should
for this sort of thing.  If !trb is watching, please make some comment -
You have a habit of making sense.

				...!decvax!sultan!dag
				Daniel Glasser