From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!npoiv!rah
Newsgroups: net.religion
Title: Re: Jeremiah"s prophecy
Article-I.D.: npoiv.1929
Posted: Tue Feb  8 22:16:46 1983
Received: Fri Feb 11 06:12:05 1983
References: presby.175 npoiv.1926 presby.177

I think Aron didn't read my submission very carefully, for I explicitly
said that; 

Having said that, I readily admit that there are still a number of people
who will pass the stricter definition of "Christian"
who committed atrocities of which I am ashamed.

end quote.  I was not claiming that Christians were perfect, I strongly
believe in the doctrine that ALL persons have sinned and thus fall short
of perfection, including Christians.

I was, however, asserting that because a person is a gentile does not
make him automatically a Christian, and that many of the atrocities
committed by Europeans, even in the name of "Christianity," were not
committed by Christians, that the problem was that the term "Christian"
was associated with the state religion as well as with the actual
teachings of Christ.

I realize that this was / is somewhat tangent to Aron's comments about
Jeremiah, but I couldn't let the statement go unchallenged.

As far as Jeremiah goes, I suspect that he would have little patience
with those who think that mankind's efforts will someday produce a utopia.
He seems to say that it will take an act of God to change mankind.

Rich Hammond