From: utzoo!decvax!sultan!dag Newsgroups: net.flame,net.religion Title: A reply to Dave Lee Article-I.D.: sultan.139 Posted: Wed Feb 9 16:52:27 1983 Received: Sat Feb 12 01:32:54 1983 References: floyd.1165 I don't know why people try to use Christian documents to justify what they interpret as being the meaning of Jewish documents to the Jewish populace. Revalations is not in the old testiment, or as we call it, the Holy Scriptures. The books in the Jewish Bible are: The Pentateuch (The Torah) Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy The rest... Joshua Judges I Samuel II Samuel I Kings II Kings Isaiah Ezekiel (The twelve) Hosea Joel Amos Obadiha Jonah Micah Nahum Habakkuk Zephaniah Haggai Zechariah Malachi (Back to the writings...) Psalms Proverbs Job Song of Songs Ruth Lamentations Ecclesiastes}i Esther Daniel Ezra Nehemiah I Chronicles II Chronicles Only the first five books - The Pentetuch or Torah (The Law) are considered to be written with divine intervention. The rest of the books are less holy and broken into several groups. The last group, the writings, are}i not taken as the word of god at all - they are histories and allegory, as is most of the rest of the bible, that are there for their illustrative value. The name "Saten" is found in several places in these later books - but only as the name of a man, not as a being of the devil's caliber. The god Baal is mentioned in one writing - he was the god of a rival religion. Judaism never made him into the embodyment of all evil. I have read the bible (Jewish) in its hebrew form and know the nuances of translation. Something that should be pointed out. In general, the Jewish interpretation of the Bible and other holy writings is nothing like the Christian "gospel" interpretation - As I have been taught, the Bible is not the word of God. It is, in short, "the work of man, for man, to help man understand that that it is beyond understanding." Some have said in this forum that Jews have told them that the reason they did not believe in Jesus as Christ is that they did not think that the Christ has come yet. I've yet to meet a Jew who thought this way. The embodyment of God into the form of a single man is not an option in the Law... This kind of personification of God is strictly forbidden in my teaching at least, and I think that the roots of this can be found in Deuteronomy. I am no religious scholar, but I do know that many of the arguments made in order to prove to me the correctness of the Christian view involve concepts that are abominations to the Jewish viewpoint. This is longwinded, but I'm home, sick, and have more time than I should for this sort of thing. If !trb is watching, please make some comment - You have a habit of making sense. ...!decvax!sultan!dag Daniel Glasser