From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!npoiv!npois!houxm!houxa!houxi!hou5d!hou5a!hou5e!mat
Newsgroups: net.politics
Title: Re: hey - (nf)
Article-I.D.: hou5e.229
Posted: Sun Feb 20 00:50:41 1983
Received: Mon Feb 21 02:13:49 1983
References: brunix.1610


	In defense of socialism over capitalism, Graeme Hirst says
	``How can an economy based on the `profit motive' possibly be
	considered ethical''.
	  Let me ask this:  How can an economy in which you are called
	upon with force of law to labor without having the right to own
	or take value from your lobors be considered ethical.  If we
	say that the means of production are owned by the state, what
	happens to patents, etc.  How can a person better his state if
	he feels it needs to be bettered when his work will be used to
	support someone whom the state feels needs to be bettered?  Usually
	the someone turns out to be either those who refuse (within the
	loopholes in the system) to work or those who don't need
	anything more in the first place, that is the managers running the
	state.

	When an activity becomes unprofitable, private business gets out.
	Or private business finds a better way.  In a socialist state,
	dverybody pays to keep the unprofitable activity alive.  Look
	at the shipbuilding industries in the UK.

	Socialist gevernments usually end up being run by Labor organizations.
	A few days age, Richard Trumka of the United Mine Workers told
	a Congressional Committee that ''min workers don't want to
	be retrained.  They want to work in the mines``.  So mine
	workers jobs are subsidized, other jobs that society and the economy

	need aren't done, and we all suffer. Except, curiously, for 
	Richard Trumka, who retains his power base, and the income form
	(oops, from) the union dues being paid by the UMA members, and
	being taken, by Federal law, out of workers paycheck's by their
	employers for direct payment to Trumka's organization.

	The moral:  Be very suspicious of Utopia.  Someone probably will
	be collecting admission, and someone else will be collecting taxes
	once you get There.
					hou5e!mat
					Mark Terribile