From: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!C70:info-cpm Newsgroups: fa.info-cpm Title: Apple Keyboards Article-I.D.: ucb.1058 Posted: Tue May 11 23:48:34 1982 Received: Wed May 12 04:25:06 1982 >From Boebert.SCOMP@Mit-Multics Tue May 11 23:48:20 1982 Apologies to everybody who is getting this twice; I am putting it on both lists per W8SDZ's request. I have also covered most of this material in an earlier message, but the topic seems to have come up again. I guess my answer to all of this is to stay away from the Videx board. I use the BIT3 Full-View 80, CPM, and Mince. Mince initializes the board in proper mode except for the control characters; this latter problem is solved by going into CONFIGIO and getting ctl-b and ctl-k back again, and typing ctl-shift-N >>once<< at the beginning of a session. The board is then locked into keyboard transparent mode. One of thse days I'll go back into CONFIGIO and use some unused (by Mince) ctl-somethings to get back the missing special characters. I might add that with late model Apples the BIT3 shift detect mod is a simple matter of clipping (not soldering) a wire onto one of the board leads and plugging the other end into the third button input in the game socket. I use a cable extender for my (well, really, my kids') joystick, and I just split off the relevant wire and soldered it to the clip lead, which keeps everything nice and unpluggable. Earl