From: utzoo!decvax!cca!hplabs!intelqa!gsp86!murray@sri-unix Newsgroups: net.games.rogue Title: confused Article-I.D.: gsp86.121 Posted: Thu Jun 17 21:16:16 1982 Received: Sun Jun 20 03:59:55 1982 I have been playing rogue for many moons now, and I have never seen a stick or ring of any type. Do they not exist in version 3.6, or are they below level 19 (my deepest exploration)? murray at intelqa