From: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!sf-lovers Newsgroups: fa.sf-lovers Title: SF-LOVERS Digest V5 #67 Article-I.D.: ucbvax.7636 Posted: Sat Jun 12 07:18:55 1982 Received: Sun Jun 13 04:23:22 1982 >From JPM@Mit-Ai Sat Jun 12 07:15:23 1982 SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 10 Jun 1982 Volume 5 : Issue 67 Today's Topics: SF Topics - Politics in SF, SF TV - Dr Who, SF Movies - Sword and the Sorcerer Query & Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Random Topics - Commercials at the movies, SF Books - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Spoiler - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Jun 1982 at 2107-CDT From: hjjh at UTEXAS-11 Subject: FEMPRO'S AND UTOPIAS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ FEMPRO'S AND UTOPIAS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You'd think that there might very well be a noticeable connection between SF books with female protagonists and feminist Utopias. But except for the 1880 Utopian novel MIZORA: A PROPHECY, and maybe some of Russ' polemical ones (another gifted storyteller who sold her birthright for a pot of message), what connection there is is not very strong. The theme of an all-female culture/planet crops up every once in a while in SF, but generally the drawbacks rather than the benefits are emphasized, as in Edmund Cooper's cruel fempro, GENDER GENOCIDE (British title, WHO NEEDS MEN?). Since such stories seem to tend to be told from the viewpoint of a male visitor/intruder, e.g., Poul Anderson's VIRGIN PLANET, they don't qualify as truly Utopian OR as fempro's. Charles Eric Maine's ALPH \is/ a fempro, but has the advanced all-female culture experimenting with re-creation of a male and considering the re-introduction of that sex as advantageous. A feminist Utopia beneficial to both sexes forms the background to Mack Reynolds' AMAZON PLANET, where the viewpoint is again that of a male visitor. Marion Zimmer Bradley's fempro, THE RUINS OF ISIS has a viable, strongly female-dominant culture, but \I/ hesitate to call anything a Utopia where half the people are chattel (even if they \are/ mere males). ..................------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 1982 at 1930-CDT From: hjjh at UTEXAS-11 Subject: Politics and Popular Writers For a "progressive, successful SF author" with a strong political tone I'd nominate Mack Reynolds. ------------------------------ Date: 09-Jun-1982 From: JONATHAN OSTROWSKY AT GALAXY Reply-to: "JONATHAN OSTROWSKY AT GALAXY c/o" Subject: thanks and another question Thanks to all who answered my query a few months back about the origin of the terms "skren," "nexialist," and "varish." Now I need some help in settling an argument. I remember Lee Horsley, who played Talon in "The Sword and the Sorcerer," as Archie Goodwin in the "Nero Wolfe" TV series that starred William Conrad and aired a couple of years ago. No one believes this. Can anyone out there settle this? Thanks. --Jonathan Ostrowsky ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 1982 1519-MDT From: Michi Wada Subject: Dr. Who 'new' episodes The 'new' episodes with Peter Davison as "The Doctor" were shown in England earlier this year. The (Tom Baker) Dr. Who episodes were syndicated in the U.S. in 2 sets with 3 seasons worth of episodes in each. No way of knowing when (if ever) the BBC will syndicate the (Davison) Dr. Who episodes. At this time the only way of seeing the (Davison) Dr. Who is knowing someone with a VCR and camera copy tapes of the Davison episodes from England. ------------------------------ Date: 10-Jun-82 11:12:54 PDT (Thursday) From: Kluger at PARC-MAXC Subject: Commercials during films I saw the film "Airplane!" in Basil, Switzerland in May, 1981. In the middle of the film, 10 minutes of commercials were shown. Most of the people headed for the lobby. The lobby's lights were flashed a few minutes before the commercials were over. Some of the commercials were only slides (stills), others were more like U.S. TV. My Swiss friends told me that the commercials were standard practice. The movie theater we had gone to showed first run films and had two classes of seating: cheaper chairs were closer to the screen. Cost for the cheaper seats was about $5 . Larry Kluger ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 1982 1052-PDT From: Jwagner at OFFICE Subject: Commercials at the movies Last night's showing of Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid (what about dead women?) was preceded by a commercial for Coca Cola. It featured little thirsty penguins stranded in a desert that luckily had a snack-bar oasis. Not long ago I saw two commercials for Capri automobiles on different occasions. The first featured a guy and his dog who stumble upon a red Capri in the desert and fly, not drive, away. The second was one of those Hi-tech, New Wave numbers featuring weird camera angles, screeching music, and bony women lounging around in unnatural poses. It had the same red Capri. All these commercials seemed to be longer than a minute -- a captive audience, literally, so I guess they can get away with it. At the local drive-in, I've seen commercials of the "Hi-kids-I'm-Ed-Barbara-president-FurnichUSA-and- I-wanna-help-you-get-started-in-the-credit-world" flavor. These are Bay Area theaters, by the way. -- Jim Wagner ------------------------------ Date: 10 June 1982 18:11-EDT From: Thomas L. Davenport Subject: Commercials at the movies! And what about commercials IN the movies? I hear that E.T. features Star Wars "action figures" and a national pizza chain. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 1982 1332-EDT From: Bob Clements Subject: Commercials IN the movies My suspension of disbelief was destroyed by the blatant JVC advertising in the Superman flick. The huge JVC ad in pseudo-Times Square that was on screen for many minutes and the JVC TV set in the diner were pretty crass. But I was really offended by the Marlboro advertising. What possible reason was there for Lois to be smoking at all, or Marlboro in particular (rather than an anonymous non-branded package) except to entice viewers into following the role model into addiction? Anyone know how much those companies paid for those ads? The credits did list someone with a title equivalent to "commercials salesman" (or sales-entity --- "sales-person" discriminates against non-organic and non-physical sentients). /Rcc ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 1982 0254-PDT From: Jim McGrath Subject: Commercials in the movies Showing merchandise in movies is hardly showing commercials - afterall, people DO smoke brand name cigarettes, and DO drink Coke. To NOT display these items would be unrealistic, which in turn can be artistically fatal. I HATE films which are so abstract that you cannot identify the local (especially when, as in Superman, you were SUPPOSE to identify New York). Don't most people on this list constantly complain about unrealistic details in movies? If the producers can get another company to pay for mentioning their names, then fine - that's more money for Lucus and Company to play around with. As for fears that this could result in reduced artistic control over the movie: nothing could be worse than the control the Hollywood studios already exert on creative talents. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Friday, June 11, 1982 3:39AM From: Jim McGrath (The Moderator) Subject: SPOILER WARNING! SPOILER WARNING! The following messages are the last in the digest. They discuss some plot details in both the movie and the book Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Some readers may not wish to read on. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jun 1982 09:22 EDT From: PATTERSON.Henr at PARC-MAXC Subject: Re: Genderless Pronouns??? Speaking of genderless pronouns, both Kirk and Spock refer to Saavik as Mr. Saavik although Saavik is a Vulcan female. Any additional comments? Richard Patterson (PATTERSON.Henr at PARC) P.S. To TSC::COORS::VICKREY Are you sure that you were not listening to the morning news?? (re: SF-Lovers Digest V5 #63) P.P.S. I agree that people should give their full names and mailing address when writting SF-Lovers. P.P.P.S. Does anyone know where there is a list of what mailing address via net are what real locations and normal names. (i.e. PATTERSON.Henr at PARC is me at Xerox Corp located in Henrietta, New York). Richard ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 1982 11:19 CDT From: Surber.DLOS at PARC-MAXC Reply-to: Stevenson.WBST at PARC-MAXC Subject: Re: Star Trek II - (nf) I have been told by a navophile ( a person interested in navies ) that all junior officers, regardless of sex, were referred to as "Mister" in the 20th century U.S. and Royal British navies. Apparently Star Fleet has preserved the historic title. Doug Surber / Surber.DLOS ------------------------------ Date: 10 June 1982 14:03-EDT (Thursday) From: Pat O'Donnell Subject: SF-LOVERS Digest V5 #64 I, too, was a bit mystified by Kahn's refusal to remove his right glove. Noticing the metal links, I kept expecting him to backhand someone with it. ------------------------------ Date: 10 June 1982 18:24-EDT (Thursday) From: Mijjil (Matthew J. Lecin) Reply-to: Lecin at RUTGERS Subject: ST:TWOK (not a spoiler) The glove - no evidence comes from the TV series episode "Space Seed" - but we can assume that in the devastation Ceti Alpha 5 got when Ceti Alpha 6 exploded, that his hand could be munged up a bit. ------------------------------ Date: 10-Jun-82 12:21AM-EDT (Thu) From: B.J. Herbison Subject: Khan: "I never forget a face." "I don't know you ... but you I know, Mr. Chekov, I never forget a face." This evening I was lucky enough to see *Space Seed* (the Star Trek episode Khan was introduced in). The crew of the Enterprise was the normal first season crew - which did not include Chekov. A friend on mine who KNOWS Star Trek informed me that Chekov joined the crew in the second season. Khan's "superior intellect" did some wonderful things, but remembering the face of a person he never saw tops them all. B.J. (Herbison@Yale) (decvax!yale-comic!herbison) ------------------------------ Date: 10 June 1982 18:28-EDT (Thursday) From: Mijjil (Matthew J. Lecin) Reply-to: Lecin at RUTGERS Subject: ST:TWOK - spoiler potential - blooper fer shure Kahn (when investigating his 2 captives, first to Captain Terrel:): "I don't know you." (Then to Checkov) "But you I know. I never forget a face. Mr. (pause) Checkov, isn't it?" They goofed gang! The episode "Space Seed" aired in the first season, when there WAS NO CHECKOV character! There was no Checkov that Kahn should remember! Of course we can always claim the following: Checkov *WAS* on the Enterprise - he just wasn't BRIDGE CREW yet. He might have been in the security department, or wherever, and Kahn met him then - but OFFICIALLY, there was no Checkov first season. ------------------------------ End of SF-LOVERS Digest ***********************