From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!ihps3!ihuxl!ignatz Newsgroups: net.news,net.jokes.d Title: Re: net.jokes.q just shafted... Article-I.D.: ihuxl.207 Posted: Sun Jul 4 12:22:22 1982 Received: Mon Jul 5 00:40:27 1982 I have NEVER flamed on the net before, but this incident has hit a PARTICULARLY sore point with me...so, continue, fellow professionals, and find out what prompts a normally non-political consultant, with a confirmed habit of staying out of ephemeral political frays, and a strong desire to maintain his professional demeanor, to finally expose himself to the wrath of the net... and please note that this is ME, not my company or my client site, speaking... I consider net.jokes.q an aberration which cannot be eliminated; therefore, contain it in a known place and avoid it, if you wish. I don't defend the right of the .q list to exist; I maintain that the people who submit to it WILL submit the stuff anyway, probably to net.jokes, now...leading to someone banning THAT group, etc. May I, in an open letter to the 'secretaries who went up 3 levels of managment' and thus caused all the hooraw, state that, were I the manager in question, would seriously consider disciplinary action for the breach in the 'chain of command', or whatever you want to call it. Ignorant Miss Grundyism and disrespect for established methods of tendering questions and complaints once again causes unnecessary grief. WHAT gives those secretaries the right to jump their supervisors and complain? I don't give a rodent's rear about how offended they were. (They should be mature enough to disregard it for the meaningless dross it was...). NOTHING justifies skipping levels of authority like that, except the intervening managers ignoring properly tended queries. The manager in question should have immediately responded...by telling them to go to their supervisor, as they should have. He(she) should have told them that the matter was now of interest...and a report would be expected FROM THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE in the hierarchy. The manager should then have tendered a lecture on the staff principle, and how the people with the greatest technical knowledge of the situation are the supervisors and managers below him(her). Finally, a slap on the wrist would be in order for wasting my time... Of course, the manager--whoever they may be--blew it. What rational person makes policy decision without knowing what's going on? Humph. I'm disgusted. Thank Ghod that I don't normally have to play the political game like this. When will people substitute rational thought for irresponsible and improper exercise of their 'rights' so they can indulge in their desire to prove how important they are?????? I must need vitamins and Cappuchino, to flame like this. No one will listen; they'll go to the director of their Lab and complain that I'm violating their right to be irrational. But sometimes, I just can't keep laughing at the way people waste their--and my--time and work with silly trivialities. I want to cry. If you've a response to this, unless it's of general interest, send it to me. I've already wasted enough of other peoples' time and attention on this. Dave Ihnat Analysts International Corporation (contract site) Bell Telephone Laboratories, Naperville ihuxl!ignatz (312) 979-6747