From: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!poli-sci Newsgroups: fa.poli-sci Title: Poli-Sci Digest V2 #161 Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8218 Posted: Fri Aug 6 04:35:15 1982 Received: Sun Aug 8 07:43:22 1982 >From JoSH@RUTGERS Fri Aug 6 01:49:43 1982 Poli-Sci Digest Fri 6 Aug 82 Volume 2 Number 161 Contents: Pending Reply Wealth Win Larouche and the British Oligarchy (6 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Aug 1982 21:43:43-PDT From: Kim.arens at Berkeley Subject: replies to stuff about Israel I would just like people waiting for some responses from me concerning Israel and the war in Lebanon to know that I'm going to be away from Berkeley and from access to the arpanet until at least August 25th. You'll hear from me when I get back, or sooner -- if you plan to attend the Cognitive Science conference at Ann Arbor or the AAAI conference at Pittsburgh! Yigal Arens, UC Berkeley ------------------------------ Date: 4 August 1982 01:44-EDT From: James A. CoxSubject: Wealth [Bill Hofmann] ... in most Third World countries since WWII, the differential between the top 5 and bottom 5 percent has been increasing rather noticably. Yes, however the bottom 5 percent have been increasing as well. I deny that a country can go through the sort of economic development that many South American countries and some African countries have experienced without everyone being affected significantly. ------------------------------ Date: Mon Aug 2 12:13:05 1982 From: decvax!utzoo!watmath!pcmcgeer at Berkeley The excerpts from WIN Magazine that Will Doherty quoted have enough falsehoods, errors, and distortions within them to fuel a dozen flames. For the moment, I'll just restrict myself to the sly little reference to Bechtel's record of building nuclear power plants. For those that missed it, the claim is that Bechtel has built half the nuclear power plants in the US. True enough. What makes this little trivium so absolutely damning is that WIN quoted it as evidence of Bechtel's involvement in the defense industry. Doherty then used this as support for a snide little reference to three dedicated public servants, one of whom has been serving the US and the cause of peace without pay for some months. Now, let's be absolutely clear about this: a nuclear power plant has as much to do with the defense industry as a coal-fired power plant does, or as an oil-fired power plant does. A firm that builds nuclear plants has no more or less to do with the defense industry than does a firm that builds oil-fired plants, or hydro generating stations, for that matter. Because, you see, the hysterics to the contrary, NUCLEAR POWER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS. And WIN's little smear has no effect whatever on that. Cancel your subscription to WIN magazine, Mr. Doherty, if you've got one. They're lying to you. Rick McGeer. ------------------------------ Date: 4 August 1982 01:12-EDT (Wednesday) From: Robert P. Krajewski Subject: Here's the (British conspiratorial) Plot, What's the Title? Sounds like the US Labor party. WDH could probably tell us about them. I have read their stuff (this spring, it was very easy to obtain on the MIT campus), and it is the most incredible morass of propaganda techniques I have ever seen (well, then there are the Spartacists and the Nazis). Mind you, it's very slick: the ``Fusion'' magazine which is published by LaRouche backers comes off looking like the product of some Washington think tank itself. There is also a tabloid aimed at the ``working class'' which emphasises the conspiracies and economic nationalism. The party is also obsessed with Alexander Hamilton. Robert Krajewski [Thanks to all who wrote in about Larouche et al, both to those who wrote to the digest and those who answered me personally. --JoSH ... hmmm: wonder if L Neil Smith's "Hamiltonians" (the bad guys in his books) are a reference?] ------------------------------ Date: 4 August 1982 1038-EDT (Wednesday) From: Hank Walker at CMU-10A Subject: Lyndon Larouche or however you spell his name, is a fascist. I first came into contact with this name when a clean-cut type handed me a flyer for the US Labor Party in a shopping center. The name made it sound like a Commie organization. But having nothing else to do, I read the thing. Most of it described a scheme for solving the US power problems by exploding H-bombs underground. I think that this was around the time of the 1973 oil embargo. The rest of the thing described the US Labor Party, and its head, Lyndon Larouche. It was fascism in one of its purer forms. Larauche also ran for California governer the last time around (1978). He gave this interview on KLOS (isn't memory wonderful?) that was almost beyond belief. He talked in this calm hypnotist's voice, but what he was advocating was fascism. I figure the station put it on (it was early in the morning) for some laughs. I haven't heard of him since that election, but he's probably still hanging around California somewhere. Oh yes, he was running for governor in the Democratic primary, not on his own party, which may have disappeared. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 1982 20:21:06-PDT From: npois!houxi!houxn!govern at Berkeley What is Proposition #8? In Poli-sci digest #160, there was a comment about "if you think banning handguns violates the 4th Amendment, you should see Prop. 8". For those of us outside of Sunny California, what is it? Re: British Oligarchy It should be obvious to everybody that the world is *really* run by the Rockefellers. Ask the leftists, who think that the (^%^(%^ capitalist bankers)) run things, or the Birchers, who blame it on the (Commie, Trilateralist) consipiracy. Surely anyone in between must agree? The only real argument I've heard against that has been from the more anti-Semitic rightists, who seem to think that the Rockies are just a front for the Rothschilds. Bill Stewart ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 1982 2240-EDT From: Daniel Breslau 1) How, indeed, is ownership of a planet defined? In particular, what happens when different titles are recognized by different governments? This has been enough of a problem on Earth. I can easily imagine ownership battles over a planet ending with the planet's destruction in a far less purposeful way than was portrayed in the novel. 2) Lyndon Larouche has been behind some of the oddest political movements I've ever heard of in this country. I don't have any sources on them available, so some of this information may be inaccurate. I suggest interested people look for an issue of Inquiry magazine of sometime around March, which featured an article on him. Larouche apparently was left-wing of some kind at one point, hence his party is named the Socialist Labor Party (or something isomorphic to that.) But some of their political stances fly off the scale of credibility: They support a *totally* nuclear economy. You've seen the "Nuclear moonies" at airports? They are SLP-organized. I have seen ads for forums at MIT sponsored by the "MIT Fusion Society", which advocates increasing the world's population to 10,000,000,000 (yep, ten billion) in order to make a nuclear economy work. (The SLP is the parent group of the national Fusion Energy Foundation.) They also advocate a special, intensive high-tech weapons program, with the intent that the benefits of research from this program would spill over into the energy field.(Actually, this is not a likely effect; more likely is that all results would be stamped top-secret and never heard about.) This program, if I remember, would cost around one hundred billion over ten years. They do indeed think Britain is controlling this country, and cite our support of Britain in the Falklands conflict as proof. They even dragged out the Monroe Doctrine (long ago discarded) as a battle cry against Britain. He seems obsessed with increasing the world's population. I recall reading a statement from his party opposing abortion, \for the sole reason/ that it would hamper this growth. ( I can think of some valid reasons for opposing abortion, even though I don't oppose it; but this is not among them!) The list goes on, but I am reluctant to go further from memory alone. It is possible that some people on this list share some of his goals. I hope that no one believes in the means that he supports. Dan Breslau ------------------------------ Date: Wed Aug 4 18:38:48 1982 From: decvax!utzoo!watmath!watarts!geo at Berkeley Subject: Josh's friend's plot Sounds like the American Labour Party to me. Among their list of conspirators are, the British Monarchy, the Rockefellers, "International Jewish Bankers", and the Knight Hospitallers of Saint John*. *The Knights of Saint John are some kind of Roman Catholic order. They fought in the crusades, and ruled the Island of Malta until Napoleon Bonaparte kicked them out. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 1982 1839-EDT From: Bill Hofmann Subject: US Labor Party JoSH: Your friend is a member of the US Labor party (founded by Lyndon Larouche). It recently claims to have died, and in its place is the National Democratic Policy Committee (which, despite its name, is unaffilliated with the Democrats). Lyndon Larouche ran in the NH primary in '80 as a Democrat. These people are the airport "Nuke Jane Fonda" people, who also run Fusion Magazine. The US Labor Party was known for its strong-arm tactics a la Scientologists. They recently set up a front at MIT... Real crazies, these folks are. -Bill ------------------------------ End of POLI-SCI Digest - 30 - -------