From: utzoo!decvax!cca!csin!cjh Newsgroups: net.games.rogue Title: Re Luck vs Skill Article-I.D.: csin.142 Posted: Mon Jun 14 12:16:18 1982 Received: Tue Jun 15 05:46:37 1982 In response to your message of Mon Jun 14 02:13:52 1982: Nope; genociding Umber Hulks is \definitely/ not necessary in the older version (you're better off genociding either Wraiths (so you get to a high enough level to kill Xorns and have a chance of saving against UH's) or Rust Monsters (if you have good armor W's are less likely to drain you, and you can wear your armor on the levels where X and UH first appear)) and the magic arrow is an unecessary form of cheating (we have something like 8 total winners on the old rogue without funny arrows). In the new version, on the other hand, genociding UH's is probably a better idea, since the whole game is deadlier---you hit less often even under the best conditions and offensive sticks (fire, ice, drain life) don't do nearly as much damage.