From: utzoo!watmath!rvpalliende Newsgroups: net.nlang Title: Re: How Dare the British Criticize How We Speak.. Article-I.D.: watmath.3177 Posted: Mon Aug 2 12:22:44 1982 Received: Tue Aug 3 02:18:05 1982 References: uwvax.518 One easily recognizable fact which tells that North American pronunciation is "older" than the one they use in England now is the pronunciation ov the "r" in final position.