From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!floyd!trb Newsgroups: net.misc,net.jobs Title: Re: Computer Science Careers--do they still exist? Article-I.D.: floyd.565 Posted: Tue Sep 21 23:45:00 1982 Received: Wed Sep 22 06:19:35 1982 References: uw-beave.113 In this area of the country (greater NYC) and, I would assume, in other areas, clever programmers (BS CS with experience) are hard to come by. Always were. Trade school programmers DO have it hard now, the "on-the-job training programs" are hard to get in to. The smart money knows that competence in programming has only a little to do with getting degrees from colleges. Many clever hackers coming out of universities today were probably damned clever hackers when they came out of high school. Andy Tannenbaum Bell Labs Whippany, NJ (201) 386-6491