From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!ihps3!houxi!npois!cbosgd!nscs!rmas70!mork-cb!jls Newsgroups: net.games.rogue Title: Re: For Whom the Bell Trolls Article-I.D.: mork-cb.136 Posted: Thu Sep 16 09:32:34 1982 Received: Fri Sep 17 03:26:23 1982 A staff of Drain Life will do them in if you have at least twice the necessary hp to kill them. A staff of Slow Monster will allow you to hit them while they can't hit you as long as you have a sufficient defined distance to move. A staff of Striking is very effective against anything and with a staff of Teleportaway you can move them elsewhere. If you happen to have a ring of Stealth they won't wake up and munge you. When I have a staff of Light I usually light the 13th level rooms from the door to find Trolls before bumping into them. It is then possible to thunk a few arrows into them before doing hand-to-hand. Lastly, although they regenerate their hp while chasing you, they do not regenerate as fast as you can if you are at a sufficient experience level to normally continue an existance on level 14 and beyond. Almost forgot the staff of Polymorph. With one of these you can convert a Troll into an Umber Hulk!! In general, much of the game is luck but experience helps. I've been told that your PID is somehow involved with the random number generator of the game and past experience seems to bear this out. I have had games going where I could cruise right through I's, X's and T's with hardly a scratch, saved the game and was wiped out by the first monster I encountered without scoring a hit. (cancel last period) when the game was restarted. The experience part has to do with knowing what to do with whatever is available and perhaps in knowing how to identify things without using an Identify scroll. I should keep track but I would guess that in 1 of 10 ganmes I can get down to the U's level and less frequently down to, maybe level 21 or 22. Then my staffs are all empty and it's RIP time. This should probably have been mailed but I tried that once and never got any reply. That was to Chris Woodbury, so if your out there, I tried.