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Re: [OT] The Dark Knight Rises (2012) review [message #186506 is a reply to message #186503] Tue, 24 July 2012 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Re: [OT] The Dark Knight Rises (2012) review

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5 Big Problems With THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XsEtPHqu60

1. Bane & the doctor hanging by the rope (so many improbable
anti-physics issues with that).
2. Stock Exchange robbery on a sunny morning, 5 minutes after the police
chase it is a deep black midnight setting (note the ticking clock on the
laptop is also setting the scene to be mere minutes later, not hours later).
3. Bruce Wayne falls in love with Miranda Tate in 15 seconds under the
"sex rain".
4. Bane torments Bruce Wayne in the hole with all of the false hope
tedious blather, no wait, let's take 5 MONTHS to defeat us rather than just
click-BOOM! Instead, lots of Herpity-Derp idiocy.
5. Little blonde girl discovers the Batcave, becomes Batgirl, so orphan
cop boy discovers Batman's secret identity by "I saw you fake smile AHA
you're Batman!" So Bruce Wayne gives Little Orphan Cop Boy becomes Batman
with no ninja training (no funding either, so don't break those "wonderful
toys"). Good luck with that. The costume is not what makes Batman the
Batman.

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/board/nest/202219894
Re: Should I feed the plot hole trolls?
by shaneho2005 2 hours ago (Tue Jul 24 2012 08:08:46)
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9 Logical Gripes With The Dark Knight Rises
http://movieline.com/2012/07/23/dark-knight-rises-plot-holes -9-logical -problems/

5 Big Problems With THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XsEtPHqu60

More plot contrivances:

1. Bruce Wayne randomly sleeps with a mildly attractive woman he just met
and turns over his entire company to her and gives her control of a nuclear
reactor that he never trusted to anyone, not even fully to himself. Oh and
she has a freaky scar branded on her back, but Bruce don't care. She must be
trustworthy because she paid for all the food at the charity gala herself.


2. Despite being a cripple with serious medical problems, not limited to
non-existent knee cartilage, Bruce Wayne is suddenly able to walk perfectly,
rappel down a building to Gordon, and within days even fight hordes of
villains. All due to his magic leg braces.


3. Later Bane breaks Wayne's spine and without any real medical attention
Wayne recovers fully and is able to walk again and climb/jump like a monkey
within a few short weeks to months. All due to push-ups and a guy punching
his vertebrae back in place.


4. Bane has to go Bond villain and puts Bruce in an easily escapable
situation, a pit that he has even seen a child escape from. He could have
paid a few armed guards to stand at the top of the pit to kill anyone who
actually makes it, but no. The laughably bad excuse of "your punishment must
be more severe" is given.


5. Batman shows up to save Gordon and Robin at the exact moment they are
both about to be executed and saves them. Of course this was after he spent
hours putting up his flamin' bats all around the city bridges. He must have
tracking devices on all his cop buddies so that he can save their butts in
the nick of time.


6. As a nuclear bomb is about to go off, everyone stands around and listens
to Talia's boring monologue. So boring apparently she even makes herself
fall asleep listening to herself talk. And then Selina and Batman decide to
make out for a few minutes while the bomb continues to tick.


7. A fusion bomb goes off within sight range of the city and no one is
affected or dies. Not even Bruce Wayne. Apparently in Nolan's "gritty,
realistic" universe 6 mile radius neutron bombs detonating over the ocean
don't leave radiation or cause tsunamis, and helicopters can travel at the
speed of sound.


8. Robin figures out that Bruce Wayne is Batman because Bruce Wayne is an
angry orphan just like him. THAT'S HOW HE FIGURED IT OUT?!


Just ignore that Bruce Wayne is the only person who could afford Batman's
vehicles and gadgets, he has an axe to grind against criminals of Gotham, he
is constantly mysteriously disappearing, and even strongly supported Harvey
Dent. He must be Batman because he has an angry orphan face.

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The Dark Knight Rises Ending and Plot Holes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb9gVWJ7WsM

How does Bruce Wayne get back into the city so easily quickly with no
money, how'd he get clothes, sneak in past the military?
How did Bruce Wayne get his broken back fixed with just a kick to the
back and become stronger, doing pushups, how exactly would that work?
How did Bruce Wayne escape the nuclear blast (revealed at end with "The
Bat" auto-pilot bit with Lucious Fox)?
How did Alfred see Bruce Wayne and Selenia Kyle at the cafe later (video
guy is figuring that Bruce Wayne is dead and this was all a hallucination by
Alfred, but that big plothole is covered-sort of if Bruce bailed out of "The
Bat" near the Gotham shoreline, although he'd still be flash-fried dead from
the thermal nuclear radiation blast with heavy neutron exposure, the
following shock blast, the following tidal wave, and the implosive wave
which would suck the lungs from his guts in a similar manner to a Fuel-Air
bomb blast -- REFERENCES below).
(4:11) If Batman Begins started with Bruce Wayne was 30, then The Dark
Knight lasts 3 to 5 years total, so if he was only around for 3 to 5 years,
what "Legend" was there? What "Legacy"? Cause at the before the "The Dark
Knight" he goes off for 8 years (making Bruce Wayne 41 to 43 years-old).
What is a better ending, Batman dies saving Gotham or Batman lives (Bruce
Wayne cannot live without being Batman). He cannot believe that Bruce Wayne
just went off to live a life merrily ever after. He would prefer Batman had
died.
John Blake being Robin at the end, it bothers him.

REFERENCES:
http://www.chrisroubis.com/2011/11/new-bombs-and-war-crimes- in-fallujah/
Jim Fetzer: Now Chris, perhaps you can confirm my impression that one of
the benefits of these neutron weapons is that they kill people but don't
damage property.

Dr. Busby: Well that's why they were developed, of course. Yes, that's
correct, that is why they were developed.
---
Jim Fetzer: Could you sketch some of these wounds so that we would have a
better idea of what you are talking about?

Dr. Busby: There are people who have been found that for no apparent
reason their bodies are slightly swollen and they cut the bodies open to
look inside and found nothing at all which could produce pain-explain why
they are dead.

Now this could be the consequence of a thermobaric weapon. Now uranium
explosives have been associated with the development thermobaric weapons
because what these weapons do, instead of their "bang" very sharply with a
kind of sharp shock wave, they produce a very slow shock wave, so the shock
wave goes out and then it sucks back into a vacuum. It just destroys people
by its sudden change in pressure. It sucks their lungs out, if you like.
So that could be one of them.

Now I took photographs of a boy who was hit by one of these weapons and
there's a stripe across his chest which is like a black stripe. The rest of
him is perfectly all right. There is no problem with him, but where the
stripe crosses his arm, the arm has been completely charred and its like you
can just see two sticks where the bones are still there but they're
carbonized. So this guy who has obviously standing by a window and some
enormous heat has come through the window and has just totally wiped out
parts of him and other parts are completely unharmed. There are a number of
these pictures around which really don't make sense unless you have some
kind of new weapon that we don't fully understand [yet] . . .

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Daisy Cutter is a generic term for a F.A.E. weapon, a Fuel/Air/Explosive, It
is an air released freefall weapon consisting of two parts. Part one is a
fuel container, usually filled with aviation grade gasoline, that is
designed to vaporize the fuel upon impact with the target. The second part
then falls in the center of the vapor cloud and ignites it. The result is
that the entire area of the fuel cloud explodes. A typical FAE Weapon can
kill an enemy soldier as far away as 3 miles from the point if impact,
either by the shock of the explosion, or the implosion air being sucked back
in the fill the vacuum created by the explosion. Casualties have been found
with pieces of their lungs hanging out of their mouths.
The FAE Weapon, also known as a "Daisy Cutter" is the most powerful
Non-Nuclear weapon in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon

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Dark Knight Rises (2012) the very worst plothole (the ending, death to
Gotham by tidal wave, nuclear fallout, hard radiation exposure from a very
short distance, flash-fried bodies from the thermal blast, shockwaves from
the nuclear explosion collapsing the already weakened buildings of Gotham
from the previous city-wide explosions 5 months earlier).

For any of you folks out there whom have played with the POWDERTOY
physics simulator, you'll know what I'm talking about.
http://powdertoy.co.uk/

Pointer Sisters - Neutron Dance 1986
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Y-9YSBB9s

Industry don't pay a price that's fair
All the common people breathing filthy air
Roof caved in on all the simple dreams
And to get ahead your heart starts pumping schemes

And it's hard to say
Just how some things never change
And it's hard to find
Any strength to draw the line
I'm just burning doin' the neutron dance
I'm just burning doin' the neutron dance

Whoo oooh
Whoo oooh
I'm on fire
I'm on fire
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