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SF-LOVERS Digest V6 #95 [message #8102] Wed, 01 August 2012 01:49
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Received: Sat Dec  4 08:19:21 1982

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 3 Dec 1982       Volume 6 : Issue 95

Today's Topics:
    Books - Chalker's Nathan Brazil in Well-World series, Bradley's
	    Darkover series, Clarke's vacuum breathing, Cook's
	    Dread Empire & StarFishers trilogies & the Swordbearer
	    Vinge/Martin's True Names
	    Children's SF and fond memories
    T.V.  - Dr. Who, Star Trek favorite and least favorite episodes
    Movies- The Last Unicorn, Star Wards / TESB: the "other",
	    Revenge of the Jedi
    Music - Filksinging
    Misc  - Notes from Chicon
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Date: 2 Dec 1982 09:27 EST
Subject: Who the Well is Nathan Brazil?
From: Chris Heiny 

If Brazil was a normal human, why did he claim to be, among other 
things, God or a Markovian (i think i got that right).  The
explanation at the end of the series didn't clear anything up for me.
If Brazil was really human, why did he turn into a turnip every time
he entered the Well control center?  Why did he lie about who/what he
was?  The foofaraw about amnesia seems a bit contrived to me. (But
most of the last two books seems a bit contrived).  Perhaps I will
blow off this weekend and reread the series.

                                                chris

PS Did anyone else notice the unusual sexual tastes of the 
last-centaur-on-earth?  He is the only homosexual I can recall in a 
Chalker book.

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Date: 2 December 1982 1303-EST (Thursday)
From: Bob.Walker at CMU-CS-A
Subject: darkover novels

I've just started reading the Darkover novels, and recall a discussion
this past spring or so on the "correct" order in which to read them 
(perhaps chronological?).  Does anyone still have this information 
around anywhere, or can you tell me where to find it?

                        - bob

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Date:     1 Dec 82 17:17:17 EST  (Wed)
From:     Grumpy 
Sender:   John R Bane 
Subject:  general emptying of buffer...

1) The first sf books I read were stuff like 'The white mountains' (I
still like that book!), 'A Wrinkle in Time', 'The Forgotten Door',
'Gray Magic' (formerly 'Steel Magic', I think), some of Heinlein's
early books, my favorites being 'The Door into Summer' 'The Puppet
Masters', 'Waldo', and 'Magic, Inc.' Matter of fact, I still think
these books are pretty good. I also read the first half of 'Stranger
in a Strange Land' a few times (just couldn't
 get past the business conference in the middle), and a just a lot of
things, sf and other. (I read a lot of stuff my friends the librarians
suggested, including 'Snowy', a story about a high school cheerleader
discovering how to give blow jobs. I wonder why she suggested that?)

2) Shrinking people - there was a sequel to the story (title and
author forgotten, I'm afraid) about a group of people shrunk to .25
inches as a possible solution to overpopulation (memory of book "We
could build cities under the skin of cows, and mine for food, with
giant (i.e. normal sized) dummies tending the cows ...) Anyway, the
sequel (the original was mentioned 5 or 10 digests ago) is called
'Killer Pine', I think, and is about these miniature people being sent
to Russia to find out about their shrinking project, and I think steal
some documents or something. I read it YEARS ago.

3) To one of the people discussing Star Wars - Princess Leia came from
Aldaran, not Organia. Organians were those super-powerful energy
people from 'Errand of Mercy' of Star Trek.

4) My favorite space suit is John Varley's. ('Persistance of Vision',
etc.)  One lung is replaced with this spacesuit generator. When you go
anywhere not suitable (pun?) for bare living, this machine generates
an energy field that follows the contours of your body and reflects
everything, so you look like a mirror except for spots that follow
your eyes. The system is automatic, and feeds oxygen into your
bloodstream. Doors cam be made of this stuff, so you just walk out and
it's like the door wraps itself around you. Also, Varley seems to be
pretty competent at handling women. Another interesting thing: sex
change operations are so common that it's odd not to have at least one
or two in your life. Unfortunately, the general universe as revealed
in 'The Ophiucci Hotline' is extremely depressing. (There are three
levels of intelligence: 1. the Invaders, who easily kick Man off Earth
2. Porpoises and whales 3. Bees, dogs, humans, etc.) There is
absolutely no hope of regaining Earth.

[Varley's "8-Worlds" universe is my favorite future history. I vastly
prefer it to Niven's or Heinlein's. Varley seems to have a knack for
cleverly revealing information, landscape, characterization, and
technological achievements in a subtle way rather than explaining it
and hitting you over the head with it as so many authors do. The three
books making up this universe are: The Ophiuchi Hotline, The
Persistence of Vision, and The Barbie Murders.  Books of his which are
not quite up to this level are Titan and Wizard, part of a trilogy
probably pressed upon him by his publisher (just a guess).  I believe
it's about time for another "8-Worlds" collection near the release of
his upcoming novels Demon (to complete the above mediocre trilogy) and
the novelization of the short story Air Raid from his Persistence
collection, which I have higher hopes for. -- Stuart]

5) From the Star Trek episode "City on the edge of forever," I think
the quote was more like "I am endeavoring, madam, to construct a
mnemonic circuit with stone knives and bear skins." Edith just said,
"Oh."

6) My favorite episodes include the above, and "A Piece of the
Action", "The Trouble with Tribbles", "Elaan of Troyius" (though I saw
it many times before deciding I liked it), "Assignment Earth" (a pilot
that never made it to its own series), and lots others. As a matter of
fact, there are good portions of almost every show. Even the one with
the Combs and the Yangs (I turn my TV off at the end, it's so
embarrassing) there is the scene where Kirk knows he is going to die.
His shoulders slump, and he just stands there, but when Tracy's phaser
doesn't fire he immediately recovers - better than Kirk hugging a
random Yeoman, anyway. Other worsts: "Spock's Brain" (still
intriguing, the transfer of knowledge for a short while, the use of a
brain to run things as a body), the one with the reused western set
and the shootout (still, the idea of mind over matter ...)  possibly
"Elaan of Troyius" (that hokey love potion) (but I still like it a lot
- giving up her selfishness for a man she cannot help but despise and
a people she absolutely hates because of 'duty and responsibility.'
The idea of the spoiled child learning better has always caught my
interest. Anyway, enough for this message.

7) Extremely sorry this 'note' is so long. I especially apologize to
you folks trying to skip this at 300 bau. The digests arrive so fast
they kinda pile up on me.

					- rene

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Date: 2 Dec 1982 12:00:36-EST
From: csin!cjh at CCA-UNIX
Subject: crxn on Clarke's vacuum breathing

   The story [containing] "Take a Deep Breath" is "The Other Side of
the Sky", not "Islands in the Sky".

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Date: 1 Dec 1982 2340-EST
From: Steven J. Zeve 
Subject: Glenn Cook: Dread Empire &  StarFishers trilogies, and the
Subject: Swordbearer

   While at ChiCon I worked up my nerve and with great trepidation
asked Glenn Cook to autograph a set of the StarFishers trilogy.  (I
wanted to give them as a present to friends of mine who couldn't make
it to ChiCon.)  While he was signing them and some things for other
people, I asked him about the both the Dread Empire trilogy and the
StarFishers trilogy (I also talked to him a for little bit later in
the con).
   When asked how he felt about the StarFishers trilogy, he said that
he wasn't really happy with the books.  What he said was that he had 
conceived the trilogy as a two volume story and his publisher had 
insisted that he expand it to three books.  As a result, the second
book underwent a massive rewrite and a minor character from the first
book was promoted to be the unifying character across all three books
(anyone care to guess who that character was?  if you don't guess
Mouse, go back and re-read the first book).  I think that this
explains why the last two books didn't have the same feel as the first
one, I guess that he didn't really commit himself to them as fully as
he did to the first book.  And no, he doesn't plan on any other books
in the series.
   What he said about Dread Empire was interesting too.  Cook claims 
that his original concept was to follow a small cast of characters
until the last one of them died.  He currently feels that the series
will run to seven books by the time this happens, although this is
subject to change.  From what he said I assume that changes in the
length of the series will come from any of three sources: 1) the
publisher wants it longer or shorter, 2) new characters introduce
themselves and decide to be major characters who must be followed all
the way through to their deaths, and 3) major characters insist on
dying early (he said that this had happened to him with one character
already, but I didn't catch which character it was).
   The only important comment he made about the Swordbearer was that
he didn't expect to be writing a sequel to it.

        Steve Z.

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Date: 1 Dec 1982 2308-EST
From: Steven J. Zeve 
Subject: notes from ChiCon... yes I know it's a bit late.

I heard several interesting things at ChiCon, and I don't recall 
having seen them mentioned here.  Please forgive me if this is 
redundant.

The two biggest announcements of the con (outside of the Hugos of 
course), were:

1) A carbon copy (with handwritten corrections) of the manuscript for 
H.  Beam Piper's third fuzzy novel has been found.  The book will be 
published this coming year, by Ace I believe.  (They found the copy in
a box of stuff after they FINALLY settles the legal battles 
surrounding his estate.)

2) Cordwainer Smith's notebooks have been found.  James Gunn (at least
I think it was Gunn) convinced the university that he works for to 
purchase the notebooks.  As of the time of the ChiCon, the notebooks 
had not been thoroughly examined and indexed, so they didn't know if 
there were any unpublished stories in the collection.  Gunn felt that 
there were at least two PhD's worth of analysis to be had from the 
whole set of papers.


There were some lesser things that I heard that might be of interest 
to this list:

1) Gordon Dickson is now claiming that "The Final Encyclopedia" will 
be available next fall (probably November).  He also claims that he 
has at long last begun the final book in the series, "Childe".

2) The Panshins have begun their own publishing house called (I 
believe) Elephant Books.  I have a flyer on it somewhere and will be 
happy to type in the pertinent information from it if anyone is 
interested.

3) Glenn Cook claims that there are at least two more Dread Empire 
series books to come.  Possibly two more beyond that if he can sell
the publisher on them.  He expects the next volume to come out in two
years (his publisher has the book already but has cut back the
SF/Fantasy line by one title per month, thus possibly pushing the book
back by 1 year.  It was originally scheduled for 1983).


        Steve Z.

p.s. I notice that we are getting a great deal of verbiage/flaming
about TESB and SW lately, some of the people doing this might be
interested in seeing all the verbiage that was generated back during
the original release of TESB.  Moderator Stuart, if you haven't
pointed out where to find this material could you do so now?  If you
have already done so, accept my apologies for asking you to repeat the
work (in the last 1 and 1/2 weeks, I have read all the SF-L generated
from ChiCon through now and I can't keep it all straight as to what
has already been said).

[The Star Wars / TESB discussion is in [SRI-CSL]ARCHIVE.V1 at the
end of the file. -- Stuart]

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Date: 2 Dec 1982 1436-EST
From: DAVID.LEWIN  
Subject: Children's SF


My science fiction reading began with a book (author's name now 
forgotten) called "The Space Ship Under the Apple Tree". All I
remember is that the friendly aliens helped out a farm family by
enclosing their burning barn in vacuum to put out the fire. As with
many other respondents, my next step was juvenile Heinlein.

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Date: Thursday, 2 December 1982  17:08-EST
From: Vince Fuller 
Subject: Early reading and book stores

        Date: Tuesday, 30 Nov 1982 23:50-PST
        From: gail at RAND-UNIX
        To:   SF-LOVERS at MIT-MC
        Re:   Early reading and book stores

        I remember quite clearly the first
        science fiction books I read.  They
        were a series by Ruthven Todd (?).
        Some of the books were: Space Cat,
        Space Cat Goes to Mars, Space Cat Goes
        to Venus, Space Cat Has Kittens...  As
        you can tell by the titles, they were
        aimed at an age group somewhat younger
        than the Mushroom Planet books (which I
        don't remember ever reading).  Anyone
        remember these books?  I can't even
        find them in the local library anymore.

Fond memories of bygone days... How well I remember these books - they
were my introduction to SF back in elementary school. I can remember
scouring first the school library, then the local public libraries for
these...

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Date: 30 Nov 82 15:44:54-PST (Tue)
From: harpo!ihnp4!ixn5c!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uicsl!wombat at Ucb-C70
Subject: Re: True Names- Dell true to word - (nf)

#R:pur-phy:-59600:uicsl:10700001:000:242 uicsl!wombat Nov 30 13:12:00
1982

Must have been one of the last copies. My husband tried the same thing
and got a form letter saying "thanks for the order, but the book is no
longer in stock."  Maybe someday a copy will make it to a used
bookstore out here in the midwest...

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Date: 1 Dec 82 13:15:22-PST (Wed)
From: npois!houxm!ihnp4!ihuxk!mhauck at Ucb-C70
Subject: Doctor Who?

Does anyone have an update to the Doctor Who list that came out in
Oct.  It was only upto March 30, 1982.  If anyone has the rest of them
please mail them to ixlpc!mhauck Thank you M.J.Hauck

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Date: 30 Nov 82 21:31:07-PST (Tue)
From: decvax!cwruecmp!ccc at Ucb-C70
Subject: Comment on The Last Unicorn

In a recent "issue" of SF-LOVERS DIGEST there was a review of The Last
Unicorn, in which the reviewer said that some of the dialogue "must
have been taken from the book".  I would hope so, as the "screenplay"
was, I believe, written by Peter S. Beagle himslef!  There is a minute
chance that I'm wrong, but even if I am, I did recognize most of the
dialogue.  The only problem I had (if one could call it a problem) was
that some of the more philosophical parts were left out.  I suppose
this was to make the story fit into two hours.

All in all, the movie was masterfully done.  I heartily recommend it.

                                Clayton Elwell
                                {usenet}!decvax!cwruecmp!ccc

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Date: 1 Dec 82 12:25:22-PST (Wed)
From: harpo!eagle!mhuxt!mhuxj!mhuxi!macrev at Ucb-C70
Subject: What is a Filk?


I'm new here -- what is a Filk?

Mike Lynch BTL Short Hills, NJ

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Date: 1 Dec 82 17:42:29-PST (Wed)
From: npois!houxm!houxa!houxi!whuxk!3722trn at Ucb-C70
Subject: more on the Other

For every person who has seen TESB, there is a pet 'significant 
happening'.  I have not yet seen mine on the net, which is:  The
carbon freezing chamber, Han is about to go down, when Chewie goes on
a mini-rampage.  Han calms him down, but before that, Boba Fett takes
aim at Chewie with his rifle, ONLY TO HAVE VADER KNOCK THE WEAPON DOWN
(but not out of his hands).

I was almost convinced of the 'clone' significance (either DV or Luke)
until John MacLean at NRL-CSS suggusted 'colon' (rhymes with cologne) 
short for colonial.

One of the real Trek dogs was the gunfight at the OK corral episode.

another good one is Shore Leave, by Theodore Sturgeon.

Re: tRotJ trailer, my husband thinks the Vatican is mixed up in it,
because of the scenes of all the people in red robes.

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Date: 2 Dec 1982 1328-EST
From: Stephen R Balzac 
Subject: Star Trek

        The first ST movie was written by Alan Dean Foster, not
Roddenberry.

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Date: 2 Dec 1982 1211-PST
From: CARROLL at USC-ISIF
Subject: Best STs


   How about 'The Naked Time', in which the crew is exposed to an
alien organism which releases inhibitions and self-doubts in the
victim.  One crewman attempts suicide, and later dies due to a lack of
will to live, because he thinks man should not be in space; Sulu
chases people through the corridors with a fencing foil; Spock breaks
down and cries.  I haven't seen this for quite a while, but I think it
was one of the better ones.  'The Tholian Web' was pretty good, too,
with some nice scenes with Spock and McCoy, and an interesting, but
SLOW, space combat technique employed by the Tholians.  'Charlie X',
with Robert Walker Jr. ( currently featured in a Certs ad), was not
bad, either.  Most of the other favorites already mentioned go on my
list, too.

   The WASTE ( Worst of Any Star Trek Ever) Award goes to 'The Way to
Eden'.  The only redeeming part of this one is when one hippie-oid 
completes his medical exam, and sings:
   "I'm gonna dance and sing and jump for joy,
      I got a clean bill of health from Doctor McCoy!".

Steve (carroll@isif)

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Date: Thursday, 2 December 1982  17:12-EST
From: Vince Fuller 
Subject: ST faves

    Date: Wednesday, 1 December 1982  07:14-EST
    From: Henry W. Miller 
    To:   SF-LOVERS at MIT-MC
    Re:   ST faves

    As was "Assignment: Earth", which was
    supposed to be a Star Trek spinnoff,
    about an advanced alien (of Terran
    ancestry) and a scatterbrained but
    brilliant secretary who were supposed to
    help Earth out during it's critical
    periods.

    How many of you realized that?

This was pointed out in "The World of Star Trek", which had a section
describing the writer, director, and guest stars for each episode in
each of the three seasons. It also had a few random notes about
specific episodes (like if they were nominated or won a Hugo award)
and which were significant for other reasons (like "Assignment:
Earth").

--vaf

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Date: Thursday, 2 December 1982  17:16-EST
From: Vince Fuller 
Subject: Worst Star Trek episode

   "City on the Edge of Forever" was definitely the best; who knows
   what the other Star Trek episode to win a Hugo was?

Hmm... Not having my copy of "The World of Star Trek" here, I can't
tell offhand. Some guesses would be "The Doomsday Machine" and the
second pilot script "Where No Man has Gone Before".

--vaf

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Date: 2 December 1982 23:44-EST
From: Charles F. Von Rospach 
Subject: Worst Star Trek episode

The biggest problem with the episode about the Yangs and the Komms was
not Kirk recognizing that dribble as the Pledge of Allegiance and
spouting it back to them, it was the fact taht the Yangs recognized
HIS fribble as their sacred words. Their language had changed so
radically that there was really no comparison between the two speeches
except the cadence, and I never really believed that they would be
able to recognize his as the same. 'Mog dowbagh jonnah' Does not at
any time sound like 'I pledge alligienance', and the Yangs accepting
it as their own (mythical) gospel was ludicrous. Remember that Kirk
has always been (among his other sterling qualities), a historical
scholar and chliche-ridden romantic. His rememberance of the
alligiance is not unreasonable in that light (I mean, what else does
he have to do on all those long, cold nights out in the middle of
space... He obviously isn't married, and even if you are in love with
your ship, that isn't necessarily the kind of relationship that keeps
your nights busy...)


chuck (chuqui at mit-mc)

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Date: 2 Dec 1982 1506-PST
From: Henry W. Miller 
Subject: Re: ST faves

        I have the OLD version of that book; not so detailed.

-HWM

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Date: 30 Nov 82 22:07:52 EST  (Tue)
From: Craig Stanfill 
Subject: Time schemes in SF.

In a previous journal, someone noted a conflict between the age of a
bottle of brandy and a stardate.  Unfortunately, it is impossible to
judge terran dates by stardates, which vary as a ship moves from one
'local time zone' to another.  Does anyone out there know exactly how
stardates are computed?

I would also like to know what dating schemes have been proposed in 
various SF works.  The most obvious is to look at a clock on earth, 
and subtract your distance from the clock in light-years from that
clock .  This works if everyone moves slowly, but when relativistic
effects become important it doesn't work.

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Date: 2 Dec 82 01:38-EDT (Thu)
From: the Golux 
Subject: Revenge of the Hey Judes


First off: Impressive verbiage, Jon (Solomon), but why do you fully
capitalise VADER?

The clone wars: I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but how about this
scenario:

Vader is a clone of Luke's real father, whom Vader subsequently 
killed. As a non-emotionally clad figure (i.e., not Luke's actual 
biological dad), Vader is fair game for Luke to kill.

Han is Luke's brother, by his defunct biological dad. He is 'the
other,' but no-one knows it but Yoda (savvy little bugger, ain't he?).

Leia... Who knows what she'll do? Women and weather, y'know...  She
has the hoary and time-honoured right (rite?) to change her mind, so
I'm making no sorties in that direction.

How does this sit with folks?

        ken

        coar@umass

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Date: 1 Dec 82 13:26:24 EST  (Wed)
From: Khron The Elder 
Subject: Luke's father and such....

Actually, Darth is a clone of Chewbacca that didn't quite make it.
That might explain why he wears all that apparatus. Then Darth had a
clone of himself made, into whom he tried to transfer himself by some
frobbish use of the Farce. This clone on a clone, however, had his own
personality, and escaped before he was reprogrammed. He had a kid, and
lived happily for a while, till Vader caught up with him, and zapped
him. I don't know if anybody suggested this yet, I've been throwing
the last few weeks of SFL on the ground because of other things. Also,
Obi Wan Kenobi is actually Obi Two Kenobi. They were cloned from each
other and Obi Wan was the Jedi killed when the Empire (big 'E'?) took
over. This is fun, you can do anything once you introduce the idea of
clones.........

                                                -Rehmi-

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Date: 1 Dec 82 12:54:01 EST  (Wed)
From: Chris Torek 

I vote for Chewbacca as Luke's father.
                                        - Chris
(or: how about, Obi-Wan is Luke's father (or a clone thereof?))
(or: Luke is Luke's father???  Time warp?)
(or: Leia's father & Luke's father are clones, and Luke & Leia are
brother and sister?)

Seriously...  isn't this getting a bit ridiculous?

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Date: 1 Dec 82 00:42:57 EST  (Wed)
From: Liz Allen 
Subject: Luke's father

Could it be that both Obiwan and Darth Vadar are both right (in a
sense) about Luke's father?  It was recently pointed out to me that in
the very beginning, Leia's recorded message to Obiwan says something
about Obiwan helping Leia's father during the \klone/ wars.  Now,
could Darth Vadar be a klone of Luke's father???

                                -Liz

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Date: 2 Dec 1982 0300-PST
From: Henry W. Miller 
Subject: R2D2 and Toto Too...

        A few years back, in fact just a few months after Star Wars
came out, a brilliant cartoon came out in a fanzine.  it was called,
"R2D2 and Toto too..."

        Here is the summary:  All of the characters of "The Wizard of
OZ" were there, and in the background were their phantom counterparts
from Star Wars.

Dorthy/Princess Leia

Scarecrow/Han Solo

Tin Man/C3P0

Cowardly Lion/Chewbacca

Wicked Witch/Darth Vader (naturally...)

Toto/R2D2

The Wizard of Oz/Obi Wan Kenobi

Flying Monkeys/TIE Fighters

The Witch's Castle/DEATH STAR

Munchkins/Jawas

Witch's Soldiers/Imperial Storm Troopers


        As you can see, the parallels run on and on.  The interesting 
point is that there is no real counterpart for Luke or Glinda, unless
you want to equate Glinda with Obi-Wan, instead of the Wizard.

        Luke is an interesting point.  Perhaps he has no counterpart 
because he is special, "A New Hope..."

        I wonder if Lucas had this in mind, or if it was just a
delightful coinidence?  David Gerrol admits that he might have
subconsciously plagerized Heinlein's "The Rolling Stones" when he
wrote "The Trouble with Tribbles", but Heinlein LOVED it!!!

        In any event, I love the fact the Star Wars is in effect an
updated version of "The Wizard of Oz".  I love both movies.

-HWM

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Date: 1 Dec 82 18:56:11-PST (Wed)
From: decvax!cwruecmp!krm at Ucb-C70
Subject: star wars vs. all in the family

Ok, at last I've got the definative Star Wars solution.

OB*1*, Vader, Luke's father, Luke, Leia's father, the Emporer **AND** 
boba fet are all clones from the same batch and the same infantry 
squad.

clone, clone on the range....

'chard.  :-)

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Date: 2 Dec 82 18:02:45-PST (Thu)
From: hplabs!hp-pcd!everett (Everett Kaser) at Ucb-C70
Subject: Star Wars saga: ROTJ - (nf)

#N:hp-pcd:8200005:000:979 hp-pcd!everett Dec 2 14:40:00 1982

From: Everett Kaser
      hplabs!hp-pcd

Last night we went to see The Empire Strikes Back again after 2 1/2
years, and it was preceded by a brief preview of Revenge of the Jedai.
It was primarily just a series of quick scenes of all of the major
characters. What was interesting was that the one for Obi Wan (or
however it's spelled), showed him as a solid corporeal person, not the
'ghost' he's been since the end of Star Wars.

Also, in TESB, the one brief time the Emporer is seen (via Light TV),
talking to Vader, he looks remarkably similar to Yoda. He has a hood
on and the picture is very grainy, so he could easily looked
remarkably like my pet cat, but it was an interesting thought that the
emporer might be of the same race as Yoda. After all, where did Yoda
come from? And where's the rest of his race?  Is he the last remnant
of some of the action in Star Wars 1 thru 3?

                      Never afraid to make my mark,

                                   X

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Date: 2 Dec 1982 15:36 PST
From: TEMPLETON.ES at PARC-MAXC
Subject: SF-LOVERS Digest   V6 #94

I have been reading the discussions on the 3rd episode in the Star
Wars series but have not seen any indication of how I can either see
it myself (has it been released) or read it (is it a book) or
whatever?  Can anyone tell me about it?

JBT

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Date: 1 Dec 82 14:20:57 EST  (Wed)
From: Andrew Scott Beals 
Subject: the `other'

 . . . is Steven Speilberg! (ahem.) :-)
                                        -andy

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Date: 2 Dec 1982 1909-PST
From: Bill 
Subject: The other...

Hmmm... I think that OBI-WAN KENOBI will come back to life in ROTJ,
and, that he is the "other hope."

Bill

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Date: 2 December 1982 23:48-EST
From: Charles F. Von Rospach 
Subject: The Other, etc.

Another thing about Bobba Fett... If he isn't such an important
character, then why was he the FIRST action figure put out by Kenner
(in front of the Yoda doll, and new dolls for all the other people),
and why is he still being pushed in the Star Wars Action Figure
advertising? What we don't know, the marketing people probably do...

chuck (chuqui at mit-mc)

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Date: 1 Dec 1982 2233-PST
Subject: "Won back from the dark side"
From: Dave Dyer       


 Vader? won back from the dark side? How large a stack of bibles would
you make Adolf Hitler stand on before you believe he was "won back"
from genocidal tendancies?  After all, Vader only destroyed one
planet...

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