|Re: Sub or dom ; does it really matter? [message #411835 is a reply to message #411795]
||Tue, 12 October 2021 11:26
Originally posted by: 711 Spooky Mart|
On 10/9/21 12:48 AM, Questor wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 02:11:43 -0500, 711 Spooky Mart <email@example.com> wrote:
>> On 10/1/21 1:57 PM, Questor wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 23:17:53 -0500, 711 Spooky Mart <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>>> On 9/29/21 12:03 PM, Charles Richmond wrote:
>>>> > Has anyone considered putting on their fire-proof suits and moving this
>>>> > thread to "alt.flamewar"??? :-) Some of this is starting to singe my
>>>> > computer screen! ;-)
>>>> > Of course if folks want to continue this "discussion" here, that's good
>>>> > too. At least these posts beat having *no* one posting to
>>>> > alt.computers.folklore. :-) I hope...
>>>> Amen. I would like this hierarchy to move away from oppressive
>>>> political bullsh!t. You guys seem to mostly have some nice and nostalgic
>>>> discussions here that are a nice escape from the circus. But wherever
>>>> people are, as soon as politics or religion enter the discussion, we can
>>>> expect the combatants to circle the wagons with their camp and ready a
>>>> If you want to argue politics and mangle the dictionary, please try
>>>> talk.politics.misc or alt.fan.rush.limbaugh. On these political
>>>> hierarchies you can:
>>> I find it curious that you, who just started participating in this forum
>>> literally just days ago, are going to tell the regulars, who have been here for
>>> years, how to conduct themselves.
>> The same is done with the natives of countries even to this day and
>> hardly anyone bats an eyelash. Why not advance conquest on Usenet? The
>> Ubernummer can colonize and seize some trollingsraum. No need to be
>> fragile over digital turf. We can always make more so Ubernummer can
>> take more.
> I cannot even make sense of this gibberish.
>> I find it curious that quite literally, political discussion is about
>> telling others how to conduct themselves. And my objection to that is
>> seen as telling others how to conduct themselves. Voicing any opinion at
>> all can be seen as telling others how to conduct themselves.
> Telling us we should go post in talk.politics.misc or alt.fan.rush.limbaugh is
> certain telling us how we should conduct ourselves in this forum. And I note
> in another thread that you reguarly talk down to people, and tell them what to
> do -- what software to run, how to configure it, and more. When they raise
> an objection -- "voicing their opinion" -- then you subject them to insults.
> In short, your behavior on alt.folklore.computers has been as obnoxious as
> your signature, and you have contributed almost nothing in the way of
> computer folklore.
>> How long you incorrectly think I have been participating is of no
>> relevance to the discussion, nor is it a accurate gauge of the relevance
>> of my opinion on such a universal matter.
> I don't care if you've been on Usenet for forty years -- if you act like a
> newbie, then you are a newbie. You've ignored the standards and norms
> of this community and insulted it's long-time participants. That's what
> a newbie does. You've already earned a placed in several kill files.
> I think a shunning is in order. Ideally, no one should read or reply to any of
> your posts. I'm sure that you're going to insult me in your reply, just as you
> have with others. I won't be reading it, nor replying to anything you write
> in the future.
>> If you don't like my opinion feel free to object. Don't expect me to be
>> moved by it. I will generally ignore political points except to say that
>> whatever political camp you belong to, you're all crazy.
> Politics is an integral, unavoidable component of all human interactions.
> The question isn't one of politics versus no politics, but of good politics
> versus poor politics. Regrettably, there many poor politicians these days,
> which certainly sours people's opinion on politics. I also note that the
> vociferous objectors to politics never announce that they are going to run for
> public office in order to do a better job. Where do people think politicians
> come from? They are citizens who step up and say, "I'm going to take that job."
> In any event, if you want better politics, you should get involved on some
> "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving
> cabs, tending bar, and cutting hair."
> "I'm sure that you're going to insult me in your reply, just as you
have with others. I won't be reading it, nor replying to anything you
write in the future."
No, you're sure I will defend myself and my integrity against your moo
poo accusations. Here you are trying to spin doctor my response before
I've even made it.You probably won't be reading it, but most everyone
else will be reading it.
> "Politics is an integral, unavoidable component of all human
No, politics is war by other means, just as war is politics by other
means. (see von Clauzewitz) Politics is the result of one group of
people desiring to rule over another group of people. That's all it is,
and that's all it's ever been. That is the beginning of war and
conquest. My metaphor about conquest of trollingsraum went right over
your head, didn't it?
> "I also note that the vociferous objectors to politics never announce
that they are going to run for public office in order to do a better job."
A better job at what? How does joining a criminal gang improve anything?
Have you seen the kinds of villains that inhabit public office? In case
you haven't noticed, the government is nothing but a criminal racket,
and no matter who gets elected, the march to complete authoritarianism
Beginning 1950 years ago a group of people who refused to participate in
politics changed the world more dramatically than it had ever been
changed. After 200 years of their influence and refusal to participate
in politics, the most oppressive, bloodthirsty empire of that age
crumbled into ruin. All of its mass murders and blood sports ceased
because of the influence of those conscientious objectors to politics.
None of those people ran for office to bring about that transformation.
Rather, they refused to submit to the people who had been elected to
office. The people who held public office murdered them in droves, but
still could not stop the transformation their faith would bring to society.
> "Telling us we should go post in talk.politics.misc or
alt.fan.rush.limbaugh is certain telling us how we should conduct
ourselves in this forum. "
Hyperbole and metaphor is lost on your authoritarian pea brain. I didn't
make threats of shunning and ostracism. You did. You're the one who is
trying to tell me what to do, trying to intimidate and pressure me to
conform, then hiding your hypocrisy behind a hyperbolic statement I
made. You are intrinsically dishonest.
> "You've ignored the standards and norms of this community and insulted
it's long-time participants."
These standards and norms you speak of are vague and inexplicable and
only come into play when you want to target someone, like any good
little authoritarian does. Authoritarianism is tribalism with tech.
You hear what you want to hear. You believe what you want to believe.
Your characterization of me is a lie and a slander and turns the facts
on their head, as any reader of my messages can verify.
The issue here is that a clutch of authoritarian beta males have ganged
up on someone who doesn't kowtow to the (vague) tribal norms that they
wish to enforce. You are attempting to exert peer pressure on me to make
me obedient, while trying to mask the authoritarian nature of your
mentality. You're not upset that you perceived me as insulting. You're
upset because you perceive the insult being toward _your_ tribe.
That is why you spout like pollies, "You'll be added to killfiles." This
is why your tribal companions started a row about my signature. You will
use whatever lie fits the moment to project what you are actually doing,
onto the person you are doing it to.
It is your tribe who have been talking down to me. I retorted to the
passive-aggressive abuse and you define that as "talking down." Your
tribal companions drew first blood. I will not fall into line with the
as yet inexplicable, hidden rulebook on what you consider norms or
acceptable behavior. I'm not your cow and I don't bow to peer pressure
from tribalists who think being in this group for a long time gives them
a form of entitlement to command how others express themselves.
It is people like you who burned men and women at the stake. Thankfully
in this age, all you have had is a killfile--until recently, since now
your tribe has the syringe.
The world loves its own and hates those from above the fray. You put out
a general call for everyone on the group to shun me. This shows your
true, authoritarian colors. I don't care if you've been here for 40
years. You don't own this newsgroup and you have no right to use
pressure to chill my free expression. You are on the side of censorship
and authoritarianim, which is contrary to the spirit of Usenet, and
contrary to the human spirit of the living. The dead know nothing at all.
I don't care if you shun me. It's your loss, not mine. You have nothing
to offer me, because I am living, and you are from the tribe of the dead.
You must equate my freedom and individuality with an attack on your
sense of tribal order. It must rankle you sore to see someone so far out
To everyone else reading this exchange: I do not encourage you to
killfile or shun anyone. I encourage you to call your friends out for
their moo poo. I encourage you to ask yourself why someone would put out
a general shunning call. If that isn't tribalist authoritarianism, then
If people don't stand up to this streak of authoritarianism in Western
society, there won't be anywhere to form an opinion in the future.
█░░███████░░█░░████░ ░███░░████░░███ [chan] 711
█░░░░░░░██░░█░░░░██░ ░███░░░░██░░███ spooky mart
██████░░██░░███░░██░ ░█████░░██░░███ always open
██████░░██░░███░░██░ ░█████░░██░░███ stay spooky
██████░░██░░█░░░░██░ ░░░█░░░░██░░░░█ https://bitmessage.org