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Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? [message #411387 is a reply to message #411374]

Wed, 29 September 2021 16:20

Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-09-29, Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> wrote:

> On 9/28/2021 8:09 AM, Questor wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 09:58:58 +0100, gareth evans
>> <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Netiquette is not etiquette.
>>
>> It certainly is. It is a branch of etiquette that deals specifically
>> with online communications.
>>
>
> [... quoted material omitted ...]
>
>> Layout matters, viz:
>>
>> https://keepmeme.com/meme/you-matter-dont-give-up-or-you-don t-matter-give-up
>>
>> Every so often some pedant comes along and advances the argument
>> that some part of estabilished etiquette, for example, shop clerks
>> asking "how are you" or wishing you a nice day -- to say nothing of
>> "please" and "thank you" -- are superfluous and unnecessary because
>> they convey no information and are just some outdated, arbitrary
>> convention, and thus can be discarded. They ignore that, among
>> other things, these phrases actually provide useful functions: they
>> can reveal intentions, set expectations, and generally establish a
>> framework for successful transactions between strangers. You might
>> think of them as verbal lubricant, or liken them to a computer
>> protocol that allows two hetrogeneous computers to exchange data.
>> Be it place settings, wedding invitations, or some other etiquette
>> matter, the same tired arguments regarding their irrelevance are
>> made periodically, and same valid refutations are made in return.
>>
>> And so it is with netiquette, and most frequently, the top/bottom
>> posting issue. That horse is long dead, beaten into a grease spot,
>> and even the bones are turning to dust. The overwhelming consensus
>> is that bottom posting and judicious trimming of long posts is the
>> proper course. Exceptions are rare, and continued top posting marks
>> one as a newbie or a self-declared iconoclast who thinks they are
>> championing reason, freedom, or some other abstraction. But they
>> are just ignorant, or being selfish and childish. They tilt at
>> windmills in their mind.
>
> Is there an RFC somewhere that discusses all this???

RFC 1855 is a good start.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1855

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		Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Sun, 26 September 2021 15:51
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Sun, 26 September 2021 16:20
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Mon, 27 September 2021 04:58
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: D.J. on Mon, 27 September 2021 11:03
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: John Levine on Mon, 27 September 2021 15:57
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: usenet on Tue, 28 September 2021 09:09
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Charles Richmond on Wed, 29 September 2021 12:54
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Wed, 29 September 2021 15:42
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Charlie Gibbs on Wed, 29 September 2021 16:20
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Tue, 28 September 2021 21:13
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Joy Beeson on Wed, 29 September 2021 22:25
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Ahem A Rivet's Shot on Sun, 26 September 2021 16:44
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Mike Spencer on Mon, 27 September 2021 00:41
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Mon, 27 September 2021 01:54
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Quadibloc on Mon, 27 September 2021 03:01
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Mike Spencer on Mon, 27 September 2021 19:25
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Tue, 28 September 2021 02:03
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Charles Richmond on Tue, 28 September 2021 02:04
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Arne Luft on Mon, 27 September 2021 13:45
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Mon, 27 September 2021 05:00
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Ahem A Rivet's Shot on Mon, 27 September 2021 06:03
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Mike Spencer on Mon, 27 September 2021 20:10
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Charles Richmond on Tue, 28 September 2021 02:18
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Tue, 28 September 2021 21:20
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		Re: Sub or dom ; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Tue, 12 October 2021 11:26
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Charlie Gibbs on Tue, 28 September 2021 15:03
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: D.J. on Tue, 28 September 2021 17:45
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: D.J. on Tue, 28 September 2021 17:41
		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Quadibloc on Tue, 28 September 2021 19:55
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		Re: Top or bottom posting; does it really matter? By: Anonymous on Thu, 30 September 2021 04:41
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