| ONE PIECE surpasses 430 million copies published [message #354529] |
Mon, 16 October 2017 12:21  |
Kenneth M. Lin
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http://natalie.mu/comic/news/252971
I read that in Japan the author receives 50 yen per copy in royalty so
imagine if that converts to fifty cents. This means that the author of ONE
PIECE has received $215 million from publication alone and who knows how
much from anime rights and merchandising.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga
According to the list, Dragon Ball comes in 2nd at 240 million copies. This
title is still in print despite finishing twenty years ago. Toriyama Akira
has work very sporadically since the series ended as he probably doesn't
have to work another day in his life.
There are only 14 series that sold over 100 million copies. Adachi
Mitsuru's Touch is one of them so I don't blame him for constantly recycling
the formula that worked for him.
From the list you can also see that Japanese folks just aren't reading that
many manga these days as the top-selling list is dominated by books from
previous century. With competitions from video games, movies, and other
forms of entertainment, I am amazed that there are still so many weekly and
monthly manga periodicals being published.
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| Re: ONE PIECE surpasses 430 million copies published [message #354530 is a reply to message #354529] |
Mon, 16 October 2017 12:46  |
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Originally posted by: Bobbie Sellers
On 10/16/2017 09:21 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
> http://natalie.mu/comic/news/252971
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> I read that in Japan the author receives 50 yen per copy in royalty so
> imagine if that converts to fifty cents. This means that the author of
> ONE PIECE has received $215 million from publication alone and who knows
> how much from anime rights and merchandising.
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga
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> According to the list, Dragon Ball comes in 2nd at 240 million copies.
> This title is still in print despite finishing twenty years ago.
> Toriyama Akira has work very sporadically since the series ended as he
> probably doesn't have to work another day in his life.
>
> There are only 14 series that sold over 100 million copies. Adachi
> Mitsuru's Touch is one of them so I don't blame him for constantly
> recycling the formula that worked for him.
No one blames him but we wish he would learn to draw better
and just do a little better on villainous motivations. Most
of the villains are trying to redress injuries done to them in HS.
As to the series from the 20th Century so far they present
a better overall view of types of manga and themes of manga.
These list are ok but judging quality by sales goes nowhere.
Most of the stuff I really like in this Century is not on these
lists. I was never offered a chance to buy Touch neither the
manga nor the anime movies, I had to hunt them down in the
wild in the early days of my manga habituation.
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> From the list you can also see that Japanese folks just aren't reading
> that many manga these days as the top-selling list is dominated by books
> from previous century. With competitions from video games, movies, and
> other forms of entertainment, I am amazed that there are still so many
> weekly and monthly manga periodicals being published.
Yes well until the profits decline too far this will be the
case. Magazines, books can be utilized without worries about anything
but lighting. No power required to get them going or networks to
slow downloads. Hurrah for paper!
bliss
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bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| Re: ONE PIECE surpasses 430 million copies published [message #354548 is a reply to message #354530] |
Mon, 16 October 2017 14:21 |
Kenneth M. Lin
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"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:os2npi$9cu$1@dont-email.me...
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>> From the list you can also see that Japanese folks just aren't reading
>> that many manga these days as the top-selling list is dominated by books
>> from previous century. With competitions from video games, movies, and
>> other forms of entertainment, I am amazed that there are still so many
>> weekly and monthly manga periodicals being published.
> Yes well until the profits decline too far this will be the
> case. Magazines, books can be utilized without worries about anything
> but lighting. No power required to get them going or networks to
> slow downloads. Hurrah for paper!
>
> bliss
> --
> bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
Here is the sales figures for Shonen Magazine from the past ten years.
Search for the phrase "発行部数"
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A%E5%B0%91%E5 %B9%B4%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%B3
In 1995 they sold average of 4.36 million copies a week but by 2008 it has
fell to 1,78 million. In 2017 they sell less than a million copies each
week.
Let's look at Shonen Jump
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A%E5%B0%91%E5 %B9%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97
One issue in 1995 sold 6.35 million copies but looking at Shonen Magazine's
4.36 million, it wasn't doing tremendously better than the competitors.
However, Jump is averaging 1.9 copies a week, which is almost twice what
Magazine is doing.
Imagine the cost of publishing an issue is fixed, I wonder if these
magazines are still profitable. Even anime are suffering because there just
aren't as many children being born in Japan.
These numbers are still impressive compared to American comic-book industry
where a title is a best-seller if it sells 100,000 copies. And they have to
do the constant #1s, gimmick covers, and multiple crossovers in order to
reach that figure. All the monies are in the movie rights anyway.
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| Re: ONE PIECE surpasses 430 million copies published [message #354549 is a reply to message #354548] |
Mon, 16 October 2017 15:07 |
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Originally posted by: Bobbie Sellers
On 10/16/2017 11:21 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
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> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:os2npi$9cu$1@dont-email.me...
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>>>
>>> From the list you can also see that Japanese folks just aren't
>>> reading that many manga these days as the top-selling list is
>>> dominated by books from previous century. With competitions from
>>> video games, movies, and other forms of entertainment, I am amazed
>>> that there are still so many weekly and monthly manga periodicals
>>> being published.
>
>> Yes well until the profits decline too far this will be the
>> case. Magazines, books can be utilized without worries about anything
>> but lighting. No power required to get them going or networks to
>> slow downloads. Hurrah for paper!
>>
>> bliss
>> --
>> bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
>
> Here is the sales figures for Shonen Magazine from the past ten years.
> Search for the phrase "発行部数"
>
> https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A%E5%B0%91%E5 %B9%B4%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%B3
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> In 1995 they sold average of 4.36 million copies a week but by 2008 it
> has fell to 1,78 million. In 2017 they sell less than a million copies
> each week.
>
> Let's look at Shonen Jump
>
> https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A%E5%B0%91%E5 %B9%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97
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>
> One issue in 1995 sold 6.35 million copies but looking at Shonen
> Magazine's 4.36 million, it wasn't doing tremendously better than the
> competitors. However, Jump is averaging 1.9 copies a week, which is
> almost twice what Magazine is doing.
I assume that Jump is really selling 1.9 million copies/week?
>
> Imagine the cost of publishing an issue is fixed, I wonder if these
> magazines are still profitable. Even anime are suffering because there
> just aren't as many children being born in Japan.
Then they will have to do better stories more aimed at adults.
The costs are somewhat fixed but can be adjusted
>
> These numbers are still impressive compared to American comic-book
> industry where a title is a best-seller if it sells 100,000 copies. And
> they have to do the constant #1s, gimmick covers, and multiple
> crossovers in order to reach that figure. All the monies are in the
> movie rights anyway.
Yes well in the USA newspaper comic strips are not what they
once were. Back in the 1940s we had a lot more strips in a lot more
papers. There was no visual medium in competition aside from movies
and especially movie serials. Comics are less popular now because
they don't cost a dime but about 25 dimes at a time. They are
better produced with better colors and art but the stories have
drifted from canon in order to write more exciting stories.
Most of the standard old time comics that I keep up with
are though the graphic novels from the SFPL. In the old days
there were no comics in Libraries outside the newspapers of the
day.
Since then newspapers and comics have declined due first
to direct TV competition then we tossed the Internet on top of
that to which really has smothered the newspapers. Even I
buy only two issues per week. Some of the comics are humorous
but the adults only get stress relief from them. None of
the cogency of Steve Canyon, various secret agents, Pogo the Possum
and his crew helped take down TailGunner Joe McCarthy and Daddy
Warbucks is in bad odor these days due to Arms Dealing.
Little Orphan Annie is older than I am and doubtless the Warbucks
money is spent on American based security for her.
The Phantom is gone though he always treated the Africans
as well as could be expected in those days. Which is too bad
because he could be taking out various piratical factions.
We talked about Adachi's repetition but what about Alex
Raymond and Prince Valiant? Lots of repetition there. Chester
Gould had a formula for Dick Tracy and it did fine for years as
we tried to figure out how the next sad mobsters would wind up.
After a few years we figured out that leading characters
like Tracy himself and the other good guys could not be killed.
And "B.O. Plenty" was sitting down the aisle on the bus
the other day. He is homeless and so is Gravel Gerty as the
gravel pit where he lived is being redeveloped into Luxury
Apartments.
Enough rambling reminiscence.
Gotta fix my lunch
bliss
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bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| Re: ONE PIECE surpasses 430 million copies published [message #354611 is a reply to message #354549] |
Tue, 17 October 2017 12:14 |
Kenneth M. Lin
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"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:os301e$afs$1@dont-email.me...
> I assume that Jump is really selling 1.9 million copies/week?
Well, it's Wikipedia entry w/o sources cited but I am guessing they must.
Jump is skewed toward younger readers than Magazine, Sunday, and Champion
and One Piece and Naruto are still very popular. I have sampled One Piece
before but felt that the artist's inking style is very poor and all the
women have unrealistically large breasts. I guess that's what kids are
after these days. I read somewhere that Champion carries a lot of titles
starring deliquent youths and Sunday used to specialized in Love-Come
(romantic comedy). I don't read these periodicals so I can be wrong...
> Then they will have to do better stories more aimed at adults.
> The costs are somewhat fixed but can be adjusted
There are Big Comics (Original, Superior, Spirits) magazines and Morning,
Afternoon, and Evening (lazy naming) that are aimed at mature readers. I
had no ideas such magazines exist until perhaps a decade ago but they are
thriving. Big Comics have a lot of series that have been going on for over
30 years such as Golgo 13.
There are also "Young" versions of Jump and other magazines aimed for boys
in high schools and colleges. These tend to carry titles that are raunchy
and violent such as Gantz.
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