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ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #350646] Sun, 13 August 2017 14:36 Go to next message
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Hi,

i have begun to implement an idea that was on my mind for some years now :-)

http://www.applefritter.com/?q=content/alf-mc16-compatible-h ybrid-synthesizer

-Jonas
ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #350655 is a reply to message #350646] Sun, 13 August 2017 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That is cool, Jonas.
Count me in for one, please, and keep up the good work,

Antoine
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #350728 is a reply to message #350655] Mon, 14 August 2017 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 11:02:15 PM UTC+2, Antoine Vignau wrote:
> That is cool, Jonas.
> Count me in for one, please, and keep up the good work,
>
> Antoine

I'm only making a few (less than 10) for myself and some friends (you included)

The CEM3396 chips are about $10/piece at the moment with some of them being duds.
Combined with the other chips it will result in a price of about $100 without shipping, assembly or testing.
A sales price would be about $200 and I wouldn't make anything with that ....

Its just a fun project. When im finished, I will provide all the schematics and layouts that anyone can make their own. It will have the option to use an external control-board with potentiometers or an DAC-Module that will allow software control. The 3 voices will be coupled (3 voice polyphonic) by the parameters but could be controlled individually. The individual programmability of each chip would need about 30 DAC channels ... to much for a single card (even with a sample-and-hold approach). Therefore I will implement a simple solution with expandable options (via headers) to add these software controls (io-select range).

Configurability by software could be done by a simple basic-script that sets the values for each parameter:

0. Waveform (for both oscillators A/B) 4 possible by 2bit select

1. Pulsewidth A
2. Pulsewidth B
3. Waveshape A
4. Waveshape B
5. Oscillator balance A/B
6. Filter Modulation (by oscillator A)
7. Filter Frequency
8. Filter Resonance

9. Gain (volume control)

All to be controlled by either analog input or software control by 8bit words.

.... but I have to get there first :-P

-Jonas
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #350729 is a reply to message #350728] Mon, 14 August 2017 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That is really cool, thank you!

Antoine
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #350755 is a reply to message #350729] Mon, 14 August 2017 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 6:57:02 PM UTC+2, Antoine Vignau wrote:
> That is really cool, thank you!
>
> Antoine

I had this idea first in 2012 ...about 5 years ago :-) I don't think that I need another 5 years to finish this ... but you shouldn't expect anything final this year. I hope to have a 3 voice prototype ready next month. I will upload samples of the sound and music then. There might be some unknown details in the range the control voltages for the CEM3396 but I have to try out to know. I suspect that some inputs need -2.5V to +2.5V and others -2.5 to +5V but most need 0 to +5V.

-Jonas
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #350756 is a reply to message #350646] Mon, 14 August 2017 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: cb meeks

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:36:57 PM UTC-4, STYNX wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i have begun to implement an idea that was on my mind for some years now :-)
>
> http://www.applefritter.com/?q=content/alf-mc16-compatible-h ybrid-synthesizer
>
> -Jonas

That's pretty awesome! Where did you get that prototype board?

Also, let's see the solder job on the back. ;-D
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #351057 is a reply to message #350646] Sat, 19 August 2017 06:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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here is a first impression:
https://soundcloud.com/vintage-micro-music/alf-mc96-test-2-v oices-cem3396

2 of 3 voices, no dual VCO (each of the 3 CEM3396 has 2 coupled voices)


-Jonas
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #351058 is a reply to message #350756] Sat, 19 August 2017 06:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> That's pretty awesome! Where did you get that prototype board?
eBay (basement hobbies I think)
http://www.applefritter.com/content/apple-ii-expansion-slot- perf-boardproto-card

> Also, let's see the solder job on the back. ;-D

Let's not :-)
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #351059 is a reply to message #351058] Sat, 19 August 2017 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The music is cool! At first, I thought aliens were invading France, then I was smiling at how good the music was.

Thank you, keep up the good work again!

Antoine
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #351060 is a reply to message #351059] Sat, 19 August 2017 07:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is this Lens (chroma demo) revisited?
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #351062 is a reply to message #351060] Sat, 19 August 2017 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 1:35:05 PM UTC+2, Antoine Vignau wrote:
> Is this Lens (chroma demo) revisited?

Yes but one voice is missing. Its unedited "RUN ALENS" :-)

-jonas
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #351067 is a reply to message #350646] Sat, 19 August 2017 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 8:36:57 PM UTC+2, STYNX wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i have begun to implement an idea that was on my mind for some years now :-)
>
> http://www.applefritter.com/?q=content/alf-mc16-compatible-h ybrid-synthesizer
>
> -Jonas

3 voices implemented:
https://soundcloud.com/vintage-micro-music/sets/mc96-apple-i i-analog
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #379389 is a reply to message #351067] Fri, 04 January 2019 14:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Ralph Hyre

That's awesome.

I'd love to get the schematic/parts for a board, I already have a few PCBs and wire-wrap gear.

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 11:50:28 AM UTC-5, STYNX wrote:
> On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 8:36:57 PM UTC+2, STYNX wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> i have begun to implement an idea that was on my mind for some years now :-)
>>
>> http://www.applefritter.com/?q=content/alf-mc16-compatible-h ybrid-synthesizer
>>
>> -Jonas
>
> 3 voices implemented:
> https://soundcloud.com/vintage-micro-music/sets/mc96-apple-i i-analog
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #379405 is a reply to message #350646] Fri, 04 January 2019 18:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 4:36:57 AM UTC+10, STYNX wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i have begun to implement an idea that was on my mind for some years now :-)
>
> http://www.applefritter.com/?q=content/alf-mc16-compatible-h ybrid-synthesizer
>
> -Jonas

Spiffy how does it go, 2 Alf's a Alpha Syntauri makes?

A
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #379410 is a reply to message #379405] Fri, 04 January 2019 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael J. Mahon is currently offline  Michael J. Mahon
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Anthony Adverse <the.ertceps@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 4:36:57 AM UTC+10, STYNX wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> i have begun to implement an idea that was on my mind for some years now :-)
>>
>> http://www.applefritter.com/?q=content/alf-mc16-compatible-h ybrid-synthesizer
>>
>> -Jonas
>
> Spiffy how does it go, 2 Alf's a Alpha Syntauri makes?
>
> A
>

The Alpha Syntauri system uses a Mountain Computer card set, with 16 wave
table oscillators.

I didn’t think the Alf was a wavetable device...

--
-michael - NadaNet 3.1 and AppleCrate II: http://michaeljmahon.com
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #379412 is a reply to message #379410] Fri, 04 January 2019 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 12:01:52 PM UTC+11, Michael J. Mahon wrote:
> Anthony Adverse <the.ertceps@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 4:36:57 AM UTC+10, STYNX wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> i have begun to implement an idea that was on my mind for some years now :-)
>>>
>>> http://www.applefritter.com/?q=content/alf-mc16-compatible-h ybrid-synthesizer
>>>
>>> -Jonas
>>
>> Spiffy how does it go, 2 Alf's a Alpha Syntauri makes?
>>
>> A
>>
>
> The Alpha Syntauri system uses a Mountain Computer card set, with 16 wave
> table oscillators.
>
> I didn’t think the Alf was a wavetable device...
>
> --
> -michael - NadaNet 3.1 and AppleCrate II: http://michaeljmahon.com

Ahh got the wrong card... my bad :)
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #379455 is a reply to message #379412] Sun, 06 January 2019 03:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Saturday, 5 January 2019 02:32:42 UTC+1, Anthony Adverse wrote:
>
> Ahh got the wrong card... my bad :)

Not completely wrong. The MC16 was used in the syntauri as well.
It used a different software version than the MCMS.

You could add up to 5 ALF MC16 cards to support 15 channels!
The MCMS was a bit more flexible and saved a lot of slots though :-)

-Jonas
Re: ALF MC16 compatible analog synthesizer (hybrid) [message #379456 is a reply to message #350646] Sun, 06 January 2019 03:55 Go to previous message
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On Sunday, 13 August 2017 20:36:57 UTC+2, STYNX wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i have begun to implement an idea that was on my mind for some years now :-)
>
> http://www.applefritter.com/?q=content/alf-mc16-compatible-h ybrid-synthesizer
>
> -Jonas

BTW:
im redesigning the board to use standard components
since the CEM3396 chip has become hard to get.
(was $3/pcs .. now around $30)

The whole system will consist of a digital interface board,
a wave shaper PCB and a VCA/filter PCB.
2 oscillators,
3 selectable waveforms and
1 filter per voice. (6 oscillators per card)

It will take time to get there ;-)

-Jonas
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