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something smaller / simpler than Visual Basic ? [message #349651] Fri, 28 July 2017 17:36 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: henhanna

I have a slow (Windows) PC.

I'm having trouble downloading Visual Basic.
Is this what ppl usually use ?

what I want to do is so simple that
I prob don't even need the full Visual Basic.

what should I get?

what I want to do is ==
just iterated calculations of
Floating Point multiplications.

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something smaller / simpler than Visual Basic ? [message #349652 is a reply to message #349651] Fri, 28 July 2017 18:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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Wrong newsgroup.

This about the discussion of emulators for the iconic Apple 2 machines (][, ][+, //e, //e+, //c, //c+, IIgs, ///)
Re: something smaller / simpler than Visual Basic ? [message #349677 is a reply to message #349652] Fri, 28 July 2017 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2017-07-28 22:47:53 +0000, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev said:

> Wrong newsgroup.
>
> This about the discussion of emulators for the iconic Apple 2 machines
> (][, ][+, //e, //e+, //c, //c+, IIgs, ///)

Maybe he was trying to write a new Apple ][ emulator in Visual Basic,
but it's too complicated, so now wants a simpler programming language.
;-)
Re: something smaller / simpler than Visual Basic ? [message #349687 is a reply to message #349677] Sat, 29 July 2017 01:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Hen Hanna

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 6:43:34 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
> On 2017-07-28 22:47:53 +0000, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev said:
>
>> Wrong newsgroup.
>>
>> This about the discussion of emulators for the iconic Apple 2 machines
>> (][, ][+, //e, //e+, //c, //c+, IIgs, ///)
>
> Maybe he was trying to write a new Apple ][ emulator in Visual Basic,
> but it's too complicated, so now wants a simpler programming language.
> ;-)



a few decades ago, when i owned an APPLE2 clone,
it was so easy to write a 10-line program
in BASIC.

it seems to me that...

my current PC is 1000s of
times more powerful, and yet
casual programming has gotten much more tedious.


i'm almost tempted to run an
Apple ][ emulator on my PC, and
write my 20-line program
in (Apple2) BASIC,
like i used to.

HH
Re: something smaller / simpler than Visual Basic ? [message #349689 is a reply to message #349687] Sat, 29 July 2017 01:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: James Davis

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:08:35 PM UTC-7, Hen Hanna wrote:
> i'm almost tempted to run an
> Apple ][ emulator on my PC, and
> write my 20-line program
> in (Apple2) BASIC,
> like i used to.
>
> HH

That's a GREAT IDEA! Try AppleWin.
Re: something smaller / simpler than Visual Basic ? [message #349695 is a reply to message #349687] Sat, 29 July 2017 02:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael J. Mahon is currently offline  Michael J. Mahon
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Hen Hanna <henhanna@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 6:43:34 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2017-07-28 22:47:53 +0000, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev said:
>>
>>> Wrong newsgroup.
>>>
>>> This about the discussion of emulators for the iconic Apple 2 machines
>>> (][, ][+, //e, //e+, //c, //c+, IIgs, ///)
>>
>> Maybe he was trying to write a new Apple ][ emulator in Visual Basic,
>> but it's too complicated, so now wants a simpler programming language.
>> ;-)
>
>
>
> a few decades ago, when i owned an APPLE2 clone,
> it was so easy to write a 10-line program
> in BASIC.
>
> it seems to me that...
>
> my current PC is 1000s of
> times more powerful, and yet
> casual programming has gotten much more tedious.
>
>
> i'm almost tempted to run an
> Apple ][ emulator on my PC, and
> write my 20-line program
> in (Apple2) BASIC,
> like i used to.
>
> HH
>

I've done exactly that for several years. Emulators (AppleWin has been my
favorite for a while) provide an "Apple II laptop", complete with hard
disk, floppies, printer, etc. (And a blindingly fast accelerator when you
want one!)

The "instant Applesoft prompt" is one of the most delightful invitations to
program I've experienced. ;-)

--
-michael - NadaNet 3.1 and AppleCrate II: http://michaeljmahon.com
Re: something smaller / simpler than Visual Basic ? [message #349696 is a reply to message #349687] Sat, 29 July 2017 02:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Your Name is currently offline  Your Name
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On 2017-07-29 05:08:34 +0000, Hen Hanna said:
> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 6:43:34 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2017-07-28 22:47:53 +0000, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev said:
>>>
>>> Wrong newsgroup.
>>>
>>> This about the discussion of emulators for the iconic Apple 2 machines
>>> (][, ][+, //e, //e+, //c, //c+, IIgs, ///)
>>
>> Maybe he was trying to write a new Apple ][ emulator in Visual Basic,
>> but it's too complicated, so now wants a simpler programming language.
>> ;-)
>
> a few decades ago, when i owned an APPLE2 clone,
> it was so easy to write a 10-line program
> in BASIC.
>
> it seems to me that...
>
> my current PC is 1000s of
> times more powerful, and yet
> casual programming has gotten much more tedious.
>
>
> i'm almost tempted to run an
> Apple ][ emulator on my PC, and
> write my 20-line program
> in (Apple2) BASIC,
> like i used to.
>
> HH

Yep. There used to be a few, very easy to use programming languages,
but these days there are a ton of different ones, all
overly-complicated and messy, and most with silly "object oriented"
nonsense. Bring back BASIC, Pascal, etc. :-(
Re: something smaller / simpler than Visual Basic ? [message #349727 is a reply to message #349696] Sat, 29 July 2017 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steve Nickolas is currently offline  Steve Nickolas
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2017, Your Name wrote:

> Yep. There used to be a few, very easy to use programming languages, but
> these days there are a ton of different ones, all overly-complicated and
> messy, and most with silly "object oriented" nonsense. Bring back BASIC,
> Pascal, etc. :-(

I've thought of ways to do a sort of updated BASIC environment, but my
head explodes trying to figure out how to go through and *implement* it.

My environment would have used UCS2 internally instead of ASCII, most
notably.

-uso.
Re: something smaller / simpler than Visual Basic ? [message #349778 is a reply to message #349696] Sun, 30 July 2017 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Hen Hanna

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 11:38:32 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
> On 2017-07-29 05:08:34 +0000, Hen Hanna said:
>> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 6:43:34 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2017-07-28 22:47:53 +0000, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev said:
>>>>
>>>> Wrong newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> This about the discussion of emulators for the iconic Apple 2 machines
>>>> (][, ][+, //e, //e+, //c, //c+, IIgs, ///)
>>>
>>> Maybe he was trying to write a new Apple ][ emulator in Visual Basic,
>>> but it's too complicated, so now wants a simpler programming language.
>>> ;-)
>>
>> a few decades ago, when i owned an APPLE2 clone,
>> it was so easy to write a 10-line program
>> in BASIC.
>>
>> it seems to me that...
>>
>> my current PC is 1000s of
>> times more powerful, and yet
>> casual programming has gotten much more tedious.
>>
>>
>> i'm almost tempted to run an
>> Apple ][ emulator on my PC, and
>> write my 20-line program
>> in (Apple2) BASIC,
>> like i used to.
>>
>> HH
>
> Yep. There used to be a few, very easy to use programming languages,
> but these days there are a ton of different ones, all
> overly-complicated and messy, and most with silly "object oriented"
> nonsense. Bring back BASIC, Pascal, etc. :-(


i tried to install 3 kinds of BASIC and all failed.
I could not install Python either,

but CLisp worked fine.
and CLISP + Vim is close to programming heaven.


What want to do now is to compare the speed+memory of:

-- the APPLE2 clone i used to have
-- my current slow PC
-- SUN and NeXT workstations of the 1980s
-- PDP-10s, that many hackers were married to.

HH
Re: something smaller / simpler than Visual Basic ? [message #349791 is a reply to message #349778] Sun, 30 July 2017 18:43 Go to previous message
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On 2017-07-30 18:50:33 +0000, Hen Hanna said:

> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 11:38:32 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2017-07-29 05:08:34 +0000, Hen Hanna said:
>>> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 6:43:34 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2017-07-28 22:47:53 +0000, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev said:
>>>> >
>>>> > Wrong newsgroup.
>>>> >
>>>> > This about the discussion of emulators for the iconic Apple 2 machines
>>>> > (][, ][+, //e, //e+, //c, //c+, IIgs, ///)
>>>>
>>>> Maybe he was trying to write a new Apple ][ emulator in Visual Basic,
>>>> but it's too complicated, so now wants a simpler programming language.
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> a few decades ago, when i owned an APPLE2 clone,
>>> it was so easy to write a 10-line program
>>> in BASIC.
>>>
>>> it seems to me that...
>>>
>>> my current PC is 1000s of
>>> times more powerful, and yet
>>> casual programming has gotten much more tedious.
>>>
>>>
>>> i'm almost tempted to run an
>>> Apple ][ emulator on my PC, and
>>> write my 20-line program
>>> in (Apple2) BASIC,
>>> like i used to.
>>>
>>> HH
>>
>> Yep. There used to be a few, very easy to use programming languages,
>> but these days there are a ton of different ones, all
>> overly-complicated and messy, and most with silly "object oriented"
>> nonsense. Bring back BASIC, Pascal, etc. :-(
>
> i tried to install 3 kinds of BASIC and all failed.
> I could not install Python either,
>
> but CLisp worked fine.
> and CLISP + Vim is close to programming heaven.
<snip>

The best programming environment I have ever used was Lightspeed Pascal
(later bought by Symantec and renamed THINK Pascal, before being
discarded) on the early Mac computers. Everything else since then just
seems to be a kludgey, over-complicated mess.

The FileMaker Pro database system is also very nice to use, but the
scripting in it is perhaps not technically "programming" since you're
limited by what the application (and plug-ins) is designed to do. It's
infinitely better than Microsolth's awful Access.
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