| What is a good way to get Apple II screenshots onto a PC? [message #347122] |
Sun, 25 June 2017 13:33  |
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Originally posted by: Matthew Power
I don't mean emulators. Real hardware. I'm thinking that the Apple II composite-out signal might be the way to go. That signal into a PC-setup sort of like transferring VHS to digital. Does that make sense?
I remember back in the day feeding the Apple II into a VCR and simply pressing <RECORD>.
Matt
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| What is a good way to get Apple II screenshots onto a PC? [message #347132 is a reply to message #347122] |
Sun, 25 June 2017 23:47  |
Michael AppleWin Debu
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I know you mentioned that you didn't want emulators but With AppleWin v1.26 now having proper NTSC emulation the difference between real hardware is almost neglible.
Getting back to real hardware ...
Unless you are capturing the composite signal directly any sort of conversion is going to add artifacts.
What's the use case? Are you recording movies or static screenshots?
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| Re: What is a good way to get Apple II screenshots onto a PC? [message #347135 is a reply to message #347132] |
Mon, 26 June 2017 00:09 |
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Originally posted by: Matthew Power
> What's the use case? Are you recording movies or static screenshots?
Screen shots of an Apple II in use. Any game, any text screen. I love AppleWin and use it to copy Applesoft programs from the Internet to my IIe (via Ciderpress).
But I'm kind of a nerd about the original hardware. Is composite-out the best way to send that video signal to a screen-shot on a PC?
I do have the A2 Heaven VGA scaler card, and I love it. But the A2VGAS is output only.
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| Re: What is a good way to get Apple II screenshots onto a PC? [message #347136 is a reply to message #347135] |
Mon, 26 June 2017 02:23 |
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Originally posted by: groink_hi
On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 6:09:59 PM UTC-10, Matthew Power wrote:
>> What's the use case? Are you recording movies or static screenshots?
> But I'm kind of a nerd about the original hardware. Is composite-out the best way to send that video signal to a screen-shot on a PC?
I hear ya!
By capturing the composite signal, you'll see the same artifacts anyone using a composite display would experience, in particular the bleeding effect you get from composite color. I think if you capture the video through any other source (VGA, RGB, etc.) it may be a cleaner capture. But then, "clean" may not be what you're aiming for, or in a way might go against what you're trying to capture.
Of course, as someone else mentioned earlier, just aim a camera at the screen and shoot stills. And this way you'll guarantee 100-percent of that composite video experience.
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| Re: What is a good way to get Apple II screenshots onto a PC? [message #347141 is a reply to message #347136] |
Mon, 26 June 2017 10:59 |
David Schmidt
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On 6/26/2017 2:23 AM, groink_hi wrote:
> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 6:09:59 PM UTC-10, Matthew Power wrote:
>>> What's the use case? Are you recording movies or static
>>> screenshots?
>> But I'm kind of a nerd about the original hardware. Is
>> composite-out the best way to send that video signal to a
>> screen-shot on a PC?
>
> [...]
>
> Of course, as someone else mentioned earlier, just aim a camera at
> the screen and shoot stills. And this way you'll guarantee
> 100-percent of that composite video experience.
For the ADTPro videos, I darken the room and point my cheap
point-and-shoot camera that can take movies at a non-glare LCD monitor.
Granted, I'm just doing text, so it's all black and white. But people
that have asked have always been surprised by the quality this simple
method provides. Shooting a CRT is trickier since you'll be chasing the
raster and may end up with a dark band moving through the picture.
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| Re: What is a good way to get Apple II screenshots onto a PC? [message #347295 is a reply to message #347140] |
Wed, 28 June 2017 14:31 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 7:32:26 AM UTC-7, D Finnigan wrote:
> Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev' wrote:
>> I know you mentioned that you didn't want emulators but With AppleWin
>> v1.26
>> now having proper NTSC emulation the difference between real hardware is
>> almost neglible.
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> I actually threw all my Apple II hardware in the trash a few months ago
> because emulation has improved so much in the past year. :-)
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> --
> ]DF$
> Apple II 40th Anniversary User's Guide:
> http://macgui.com/newa2guide/
Condolences for your loss!
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| Re: What is a good way to get Apple II screenshots onto a PC? [message #347335 is a reply to message #347122] |
Thu, 29 June 2017 09:52 |
Kevin Dady
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On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 12:33:11 PM UTC-5, Matthew Power wrote:
> I don't mean emulators. Real hardware. I'm thinking that the Apple II composite-out signal might be the way to go. That signal into a PC-setup sort of like transferring VHS to digital. Does that make sense?
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> I remember back in the day feeding the Apple II into a VCR and simply pressing <RECORD>.
>
> Matt
I have used pc tv capture cards in the past and it works well
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| Re: What is a good way to get Apple II screenshots onto a PC? [message #347336 is a reply to message #347140] |
Thu, 29 June 2017 09:56 |
Kevin Dady
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On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 9:32:26 AM UTC-5, D Finnigan wrote:
> Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev' wrote:
>> I know you mentioned that you didn't want emulators but With AppleWin
>> v1.26
>> now having proper NTSC emulation the difference between real hardware is
>> almost neglible.
>
> I actually threw all my Apple II hardware in the trash a few months ago
> because emulation has improved so much in the past year. :-)
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> --
> ]DF$
> Apple II 40th Anniversary User's Guide:
> http://macgui.com/newa2guide/
I didnt throw mine in the trash but yea I have no more apple II stuff around the house
both incarnations went to ebay, my //c ended up in south korea, and my mac apple II card and disk drive went to someone here in the states
When I had dedicated space for a retro bench I enjoyed messing with the machines, but I dont have a basement anymore, nor can I spend long periods of time isolated in nostalgic goodness in a spare room since I have a toddler running around. So stuff sat around, when it sit's it ships.
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