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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347159 is a reply to message #347117] |
Mon, 26 June 2017 18:25   |
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
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> The most important invention from every state
> http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-important-invention- from-every-
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Hmm, no light bulb, electric distribution, phonograph,
gasoline engine, telephone, I could probably go on.
Maybe I missed them, and I know a fair amount of stuff was NOT invented in
the US, such as sanitary sewers, steam engines, Diesel engines, etc.
Jon
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347171 is a reply to message #347159] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 02:29 |
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in 684218 20170626 232507 Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:
> Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
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>> The most important invention from every state
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-important-invention- from-every-
> state-2017-6
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>
> Hmm, no light bulb, electric distribution, phonograph,
> gasoline engine, telephone, I could probably go on.
> Maybe I missed them, and I know a fair amount of stuff was NOT invented in
> the US, such as sanitary sewers, steam engines, Diesel engines, etc.
a "fair amount"? That's an understatement.
More was invented in Britain then in any other country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_innovations_an d_discoveries
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347172 is a reply to message #347126] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 03:57 |
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On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 12:56:57 PM UTC-6, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
> Who really wants that shiny stuff like greaseproof
> paper, also known as John Wayne Toilet Paper?
> (Rough, tough and don't take no shit :-) )
Until rather recently, I knew not that such stuff existed. But recently I heard of
the legendary British toilet paper of the brand name Izal.
John Savard
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347173 is a reply to message #347159] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 03:58 |
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On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-6, Jon Elson wrote:
> Hmm, no light bulb, electric distribution, phonograph,
> gasoline engine, telephone, I could probably go on.
Well, maybe each of those was no more than the *second* most important invention
from the state in which they were discovered?
John Savard
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347176 is a reply to message #347172] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 05:21 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:57:23 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 12:56:57 PM UTC-6, Gareth's Downstairs
> Computer wrote:
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>> Who really wants that shiny stuff like greaseproof paper, also known as
>> John Wayne Toilet Paper?
>
>> (Rough, tough and don't take no shit :-) )
>
> Until rather recently, I knew not that such stuff existed. But recently
> I heard of the legendary British toilet paper of the brand name Izal.
Yes, we had that stuff. My mum bought it because it was 'medicated'.
Completely non-absorbent.
--
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347177 is a reply to message #347171] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 05:24 |
mausg
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On 2017-06-27, Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote:
> in 684218 20170626 232507 Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:
>> Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
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>>>
>>> The most important invention from every state
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-important-invention- from-every-
>> state-2017-6
>>>
>>
>> Hmm, no light bulb, electric distribution, phonograph,
>> gasoline engine, telephone, I could probably go on.
>> Maybe I missed them, and I know a fair amount of stuff was NOT invented in
>> the US, such as sanitary sewers, steam engines, Diesel engines, etc.
>
> a "fair amount"? That's an understatement.
> More was invented in Britain then in any other country.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_innovations_an d_discoveries
I think there was a time when the numbers of inventions moved from
the UK to other countries, about 1870.
"Inventions" is sorta bunk, most of these processes had many fathers and
mothers.
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347179 is a reply to message #347176] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 05:58 |
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On 27 Jun 2017 09:21:41 GMT
Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:57:23 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
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>> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 12:56:57 PM UTC-6, Gareth's Downstairs
>> Computer wrote:
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>>> Who really wants that shiny stuff like greaseproof paper, also known as
>>> John Wayne Toilet Paper?
>>
>>> (Rough, tough and don't take no shit :-) )
>>
>> Until rather recently, I knew not that such stuff existed. But recently
>> I heard of the legendary British toilet paper of the brand name Izal.
>
> Yes, we had that stuff. My mum bought it because it was 'medicated'.
>
> Completely non-absorbent.
Also present in school and public toilets.
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Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347182 is a reply to message #347159] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 06:41 |
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:25:07 +0100, Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:
> Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
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>>
>> The most important invention from every state
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-important-invention- from-every-
> state-2017-6
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>
> Hmm, no light bulb, electric distribution, phonograph,
> gasoline engine, telephone, I could probably go on.
> Maybe I missed them, and I know a fair amount of stuff was NOT invented in
> the US, such as sanitary sewers, steam engines, Diesel engines, etc.
>
> Jon
>
"What have the Romans ever done for us?"
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Bah, and indeed, Humbug
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347183 is a reply to message #347179] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 06:53 |
Harry Vaderchi
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:58:16 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 27 Jun 2017 09:21:41 GMT
> Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
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>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:57:23 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 12:56:57 PM UTC-6, Gareth's Downstairs
>>> Computer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who really wants that shiny stuff like greaseproof paper, also known as
>>>> John Wayne Toilet Paper?
>>>
>>>> (Rough, tough and don't take no shit :-) )
>>>
>>> Until rather recently, I knew not that such stuff existed. But recently
>>> I heard of the legendary British toilet paper of the brand name Izal.
>>
>> Yes, we had that stuff. My mum bought it because it was 'medicated'.
>>
>> Completely non-absorbent.
>
> Also present in school and public toilets.
>
Ah, memories
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/objects/displa y?id=1790
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347184 is a reply to message #347172] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 07:18 |
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Originally posted by: Gareth's Downstairs Computer
On 27/06/2017 08:57, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 12:56:57 PM UTC-6, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>
>> Who really wants that shiny stuff like greaseproof
>> paper, also known as John Wayne Toilet Paper?
>
>> (Rough, tough and don't take no shit :-) )
>
> Until rather recently, I knew not that such stuff existed. But recently I heard of
> the legendary British toilet paper of the brand name Izal.
>
That's the stuff!
Oddly, very cheap soft toilet tissue is also known as
John Wayne toilet paper ...
.... Put your hands up Ya bum.
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347185 is a reply to message #347176] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 07:20 |
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Originally posted by: Gareth's Downstairs Computer
On 27/06/2017 10:21, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:57:23 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 12:56:57 PM UTC-6, Gareth's Downstairs
>> Computer wrote:
>>
>>> Who really wants that shiny stuff like greaseproof paper, also known as
>>> John Wayne Toilet Paper?
>>
>>> (Rough, tough and don't take no shit :-) )
>>
>> Until rather recently, I knew not that such stuff existed. But recently
>> I heard of the legendary British toilet paper of the brand name Izal.
>
> Yes, we had that stuff. My mum bought it because it was 'medicated'.
>
> Completely non-absorbent.
>
>
AIUI, because there were health concerns in the early 20th C about
coming into contact with faeces, and the Izal came about to provide
a very definite barrier.
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347186 is a reply to message #347177] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 07:24 |
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Originally posted by: Gareth's Downstairs Computer
On 27/06/2017 10:24, mausg@mail.com wrote:
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> "Inventions" is sorta bunk, most of these processes had many fathers and
> mothers.
>
Indeed, hence Isaac Newton's comments about standing on
the shoulders of giants.
Has the human race become a destructive virus, for the
age of technological life is, at only about 200 years,
(YMMV), such a miniscule percentage of the development
of life, because after only about 70 years, the oceans
are polluted with tiny fragments of plastics now
entering the food chain?
Perhaps the tree huggers and ecogreens had something
relevant to say, after all?
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347193 is a reply to message #347186] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 09:57 |
Peter Flass
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Gareth's Downstairs Computer
<headstone255.but.not.these.five.words@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 27/06/2017 10:24, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>
>> "Inventions" is sorta bunk, most of these processes had many fathers and
>> mothers.
>>
>
> Indeed, hence Isaac Newton's comments about standing on
> the shoulders of giants.
>
> Has the human race become a destructive virus, for the
> age of technological life is, at only about 200 years,
> (YMMV), such a miniscule percentage of the development
> of life, because after only about 70 years, the oceans
> are polluted with tiny fragments of plastics now
> entering the food chain?
>
> Perhaps the tree huggers and ecogreens had something
> relevant to say, after all?
>
>
>
Someone recently posted that if the human race became extinct the rest of
the world would go on just fine (better), but if insects became extinct all
other life would die in short order.
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Pete
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347199 is a reply to message #347185] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 11:36 |
osmium
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On 6/27/2017 6:20 AM, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
> On 27/06/2017 10:21, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:57:23 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 12:56:57 PM UTC-6, Gareth's Downstairs
>>> Computer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who really wants that shiny stuff like greaseproof paper, also
>>>> known as
>>>> John Wayne Toilet Paper?
>>>
>>>> (Rough, tough and don't take no shit :-) )
>>>
>>> Until rather recently, I knew not that such stuff existed. But recently
>>> I heard of the legendary British toilet paper of the brand name Izal.
>>
>> Yes, we had that stuff. My mum bought it because it was 'medicated'.
>>
>> Completely non-absorbent.
>>
>>
>
> AIUI, because there were health concerns in the early 20th C about
> coming into contact with faeces, and the Izal came about to provide
> a very definite barrier.
>
>
Typhoid Mary was a cook for rich people. Typhus is spread via fecal
matter. I don't wanna even think about it.
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347212 is a reply to message #347182] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 13:16 |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:41:50 +0100, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
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> "What have the Romans ever done for us?"
Brought us spaghetti and pizza. What would we do without them... ;-)
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Andreas
You know you are a redneck if
there are more than five mcdonald's bags currently on the floorboard of your
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347214 is a reply to message #347186] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 14:13 |
mausg
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On 2017-06-27, Gareth's Downstairs Computer <headstone255.but.not.these.five.words@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 27/06/2017 10:24, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>
>> "Inventions" is sorta bunk, most of these processes had many fathers and
>> mothers.
>>
>
> Indeed, hence Isaac Newton's comments about standing on
> the shoulders of giants.
>
> Has the human race become a destructive virus, for the
> age of technological life is, at only about 200 years,
> (YMMV), such a miniscule percentage of the development
> of life, because after only about 70 years, the oceans
> are polluted with tiny fragments of plastics now
> entering the food chain?
>
> Perhaps the tree huggers and ecogreens had something
> relevant to say, after all?
>
>
One time, the government of Ghana paid someone to write a book showing
lots of things were invented in Africa. The writer pointed out that a
lot of things were invented in Ancient Egypt.
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greymaus.ireland.ie
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347230 is a reply to message #347189] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 18:00 |
Quadibloc
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On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 6:17:42 AM UTC-6, JimP. wrote:
> Edison's patent was for a longer lasting filament. Primary and
> secondary school teachers wrongfully gave him credit for inventing the
> lgiht bulb.
Yes, or more specifically, a filament that would last a reasonably long time under
a high enough voltage for operating an electric power utility.
Light bulbs like those in flashlights already existed.
John Savard
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347231 is a reply to message #347203] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 18:02 |
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On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 10:31:47 AM UTC-6, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> "to try and prove his point" - he wanted to convince people that Tesla's
> AC was more dangerous than his DC, when the exact obverse was true.
I don't know about that. AC can very easily be converted to high voltages with a
transformer. This lets us use less copper to move the same amount of power from
one place to another.
So AC was the right way to go; but since high voltages are more dangerous, the
point about safety wasn't backwards.
John Savard
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347237 is a reply to message #347199] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 19:21 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <erfccuFu65eU1@mid.individual.net>, r124c4u102@comcast.net
says...
>
> On 6/27/2017 6:20 AM, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>> On 27/06/2017 10:21, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:57:23 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 12:56:57 PM UTC-6, Gareth's Downstairs
>>>> Computer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Who really wants that shiny stuff like greaseproof paper, also
>>>> > known as
>>>> > John Wayne Toilet Paper?
>>>>
>>>> > (Rough, tough and don't take no shit :-) )
>>>>
>>>> Until rather recently, I knew not that such stuff existed. But recently
>>>> I heard of the legendary British toilet paper of the brand name Izal.
>>>
>>> Yes, we had that stuff. My mum bought it because it was 'medicated'.
>>>
>>> Completely non-absorbent.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> AIUI, because there were health concerns in the early 20th C about
>> coming into contact with faeces, and the Izal came about to provide
>> a very definite barrier.
>>
>>
>
> Typhoid Mary was a cook for rich people. Typhus is spread via fecal
> matter. I don't wanna even think about it.
Uh, Typhus is not Typhoid. They are caused by different organisms and have
different means to transmission.
Typhus is spread by lice, chiggers, and fleas.
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347238 is a reply to message #347213] |
Tue, 27 June 2017 19:34 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <87podp73dz.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, ank@spamfence.net says...
>
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 07:29:46 BST, Bob Martin wrote:
>>
>> in 684218 20170626 232507 Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:
>>
>> More was invented in Britain then in any other country.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_innovations_an d_discoveries
>
> Early inventions. But a big part of stuff important for the computer
> revolution came from BELL Labs. Transistor, micro processor, laser (well
> not really needed for computer)...
>
> While for the invention of the digital programmable computer often
> Charles Babbage, an Englishman indeed, is credited.
The transistor did come from Bell Labs, but the first successful integrated
circuit was from Fairchild, although it was based on a recent Texas
Instruments patent. In any case Bell Labs wasn't involved.
The first microprocessor as we know it (all CPU functions on one chip, add
memory and I/O devices and you have a computer) was from Intel.
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347254 is a reply to message #347183] |
Wed, 28 June 2017 01:36 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:53:17 +0100, "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1>
wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:58:16 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On 27 Jun 2017 09:21:41 GMT
>> Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:57:23 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 12:56:57 PM UTC-6, Gareth's Downstairs
>>>> Computer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Who really wants that shiny stuff like greaseproof paper, also known as
>>>> > John Wayne Toilet Paper?
>>>>
>>>> > (Rough, tough and don't take no shit :-) )
>>>>
>>>> Until rather recently, I knew not that such stuff existed. But recently
>>>> I heard of the legendary British toilet paper of the brand name Izal.
>>>
>>> Yes, we had that stuff. My mum bought it because it was 'medicated'.
>>>
>>> Completely non-absorbent.
>>
>> Also present in school and public toilets.
>>
> Ah, memories
>
> http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/objects/displa y?id=1790
And how about
http://viz.co.uk/badgers-arse-industrial-toilet-paper/
?
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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Wed, 28 June 2017 13:02 |
Michael Black
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <87podp73dz.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, ank@spamfence.net says...
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 07:29:46 BST, Bob Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> in 684218 20170626 232507 Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> More was invented in Britain then in any other country.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_innovations_an d_discoveries
>>
>> Early inventions. But a big part of stuff important for the computer
>> revolution came from BELL Labs. Transistor, micro processor, laser (well
>> not really needed for computer)...
>>
>> While for the invention of the digital programmable computer often
>> Charles Babbage, an Englishman indeed, is credited.
>
> The transistor did come from Bell Labs, but the first successful integrated
> circuit was from Fairchild, although it was based on a recent Texas
> Instruments patent. In any case Bell Labs wasn't involved.
>
Of course, much earlier there were some experiments that would in
retrospect be solid state devices. LIke in the 20s or 30s, there were
some examples of "amplifying crystals", things like an early FET and cat
whisker diodes that oscillated when DC voltage was applied. But they are
disjointed from the work at Bell Labs.
But, there was a book about Radar I read about 1998 (so it was probably
relatively new then) that showed how the improvement of radar during WWII
caused advances in electronics. They had to move higher in frequency to
get better definition, and that caused problems since technology wasn't
yet ready. They created tubes that could transmit at microwave, but
reception was a problem. So they went back to cat whiskers, and worked on
that, so semiconductor diodes came to be, used as mixers in the receivers.
That was the foundation of the germanium diodes after the war, and the
book made the case that it was a foundation of what happened at Bell Labs
when they came up with the transistor.
Michael
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Wed, 28 June 2017 15:59 |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:34:36 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
> In article <87podp73dz.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, ank@spamfence.net says...
>>
>> Early inventions. But a big part of stuff important for the computer
>> revolution came from BELL Labs. Transistor, micro processor, laser (well
>> not really needed for computer)...
>>
>> While for the invention of the digital programmable computer often
>> Charles Babbage, an Englishman indeed, is credited.
>
> The transistor did come from Bell Labs, but the first successful integrated
> circuit was from Fairchild, although it was based on a recent Texas
> Instruments patent. In any case Bell Labs wasn't involved.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor#History> starts with:
| From November 17, 1947 to December 23, 1947, John Bardeen and Walter
| Brattain at AT&T's Bell Labs in Murray Hill, New Jersey of the United
| States performed experiments and observed that when two gold point
| contacts were applied to a crystal of germanium, a signal was produced
| with the output power greater than the input. Solid State Physics
| Group leader William Shockley saw the potential in this, and over the
| next few months worked to greatly expand the knowledge of
| semiconductors. The term transistor was coined by John R. Pierce as a
| contraction of the term transresistance.
Shockley was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for 1956, as the the
article mentions later.
> The first microprocessor as we know it (all CPU functions on one chip, add
> memory and I/O devices and you have a computer) was from Intel.
Oops, I should know better with the micro processor.
--
Andreas
You know you are a redneck if
your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat.
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347319 is a reply to message #347307] |
Wed, 28 June 2017 21:12 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <87shijg9ym.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, ank@spamfence.net says...
>
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:34:36 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>> In article <87podp73dz.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, ank@spamfence.net says...
>>>
>>> Early inventions. But a big part of stuff important for the computer
>>> revolution came from BELL Labs. Transistor, micro processor, laser (well
>>> not really needed for computer)...
>>>
>>> While for the invention of the digital programmable computer often
>>> Charles Babbage, an Englishman indeed, is credited.
>>
>> The transistor did come from Bell Labs, but the first successful integrated
>> circuit was from Fairchild, although it was based on a recent Texas
>> Instruments patent. In any case Bell Labs wasn't involved.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor#History> starts with:
>
> | From November 17, 1947 to December 23, 1947, John Bardeen and Walter
> | Brattain at AT&T's Bell Labs in Murray Hill, New Jersey of the United
> | States performed experiments and observed that when two gold point
> | contacts were applied to a crystal of germanium, a signal was produced
> | with the output power greater than the input. Solid State Physics
> | Group leader William Shockley saw the potential in this, and over the
> | next few months worked to greatly expand the knowledge of
> | semiconductors. The term transistor was coined by John R. Pierce as a
> | contraction of the term transresistance.
>
> Shockley was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for 1956, as the the
> article mentions later.
That was for the transistor, not the integrated circuit.
All integrated circuits use transistors but all transistors are not
integrated circuits.
>> The first microprocessor as we know it (all CPU functions on one chip, add
>> memory and I/O devices and you have a computer) was from Intel.
>
> Oops, I should know better with the micro processor.
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347334 is a reply to message #347238] |
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Charles Richmond
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On 6/27/2017 6:34 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <87podp73dz.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, ank@spamfence.net says...
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>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 07:29:46 BST, Bob Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> in 684218 20170626 232507 Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> More was invented in Britain then in any other country.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_innovations_an d_discoveries
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>> Early inventions. But a big part of stuff important for the computer
>> revolution came from BELL Labs. Transistor, micro processor, laser (well
>> not really needed for computer)...
>>
>> While for the invention of the digital programmable computer often
>> Charles Babbage, an Englishman indeed, is credited.
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> The transistor did come from Bell Labs, but the first successful integrated
> circuit was from Fairchild, although it was based on a recent Texas
> Instruments patent. In any case Bell Labs wasn't involved.
Robert Noyce, who put together the integrated circuit idea for Fairchild
Semiconductor... just previously worked for Shockley Semiconductor,
started by William Shockley, one of the three inventors of the
transistor at Bell Labs. So there was a distant connection...
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> The first microprocessor as we know it (all CPU functions on one chip, add
> memory and I/O devices and you have a computer) was from Intel.
>
Gilbert Hyatt was awarded a patent claiming an invention pre-dating both
TI and Intel, describing a "microcontroller". The patent was later
invalidated, but not before substantial royalties were paid out.
http://www.intel4004.com/hyatt.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microprocessor
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| Re: The most important invention from every state [message #347338 is a reply to message #347319] |
Thu, 29 June 2017 11:30 |
Peter Flass
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J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <87shijg9ym.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, ank@spamfence.net says...
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>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:34:36 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <87podp73dz.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>, ank@spamfence.net says...
>>>>
>>>> Early inventions. But a big part of stuff important for the computer
>>>> revolution came from BELL Labs. Transistor, micro processor, laser (well
>>>> not really needed for computer)...
>>>>
>>>> While for the invention of the digital programmable computer often
>>>> Charles Babbage, an Englishman indeed, is credited.
>>>
>>> The transistor did come from Bell Labs, but the first successful integrated
>>> circuit was from Fairchild, although it was based on a recent Texas
>>> Instruments patent. In any case Bell Labs wasn't involved.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor#History> starts with:
>>
>> | From November 17, 1947 to December 23, 1947, John Bardeen and Walter
>> | Brattain at AT&T's Bell Labs in Murray Hill, New Jersey of the United
>> | States performed experiments and observed that when two gold point
>> | contacts were applied to a crystal of germanium, a signal was produced
>> | with the output power greater than the input. Solid State Physics
>> | Group leader William Shockley saw the potential in this, and over the
>> | next few months worked to greatly expand the knowledge of
>> | semiconductors. The term transistor was coined by John R. Pierce as a
>> | contraction of the term transresistance.
>>
>> Shockley was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for 1956, as the the
>> article mentions later.
>
> That was for the transistor, not the integrated circuit.
>
> All integrated circuits use transistors but all transistors are not
> integrated circuits.
>
>>> The first microprocessor as we know it (all CPU functions on one chip, add
>>> memory and I/O devices and you have a computer) was from Intel.
>>
>> Oops, I should know better with the micro processor.
>
>
>
Maybe Viatron?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viatron
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