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Emulator Question [message #344169] Mon, 19 June 2017 09:34 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: Ralph Glatt

Is there any way I could make an emulator for the eMate 300? I have an ebook that details how to program in Newton OS, but no way to get it from my PC to the eMate. I remember hearing about someone trying to make an emulator for one of the other Newton products, but I haven't been able to find it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Re: Emulator Question [message #344468 is a reply to message #344169] Mon, 19 June 2017 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: James Davis

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 6:34:43 AM UTC-7, Ralph Glatt wrote:
> Is there any way I could make an emulator for the eMate 300? I have an ebook that details how to program in Newton OS, but no way to get it from my PC to the eMate. I remember hearing about someone trying to make an emulator for one of the other Newton products, but I haven't been able to find it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Have you tried searching for Google Groups containing "eMate" or "Newton" and "Apple II" and/or "emulator" in their titles or messages? Or, doing an Internet search, too?
Re: Emulator Question [message #344873 is a reply to message #344468] Tue, 20 June 2017 04:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 13:44:50 UTC+12, James Davis wrote:
> Have you tried searching for Google Groups

Have you?

You'll see Ralph has been asking the same question for over 10 years now.

Cheers,
Nick.
Re: Emulator Question [message #345276 is a reply to message #344873] Tue, 20 June 2017 13:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Ralph Glatt

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 4:57:37 AM UTC-4, sicklittlemonkey wrote:
> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 13:44:50 UTC+12, James Davis wrote:
>> Have you tried searching for Google Groups
>
> Have you?
>
> You'll see Ralph has been asking the same question for over 10 years now.
>
> Cheers,
> Nick.

And I'm still not getting any answers. :-/ Maybe I should just give up.
Re: Emulator Question [message #345277 is a reply to message #344468] Tue, 20 June 2017 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Ralph Glatt

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 9:44:50 PM UTC-4, James Davis wrote:
> On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 6:34:43 AM UTC-7, Ralph Glatt wrote:
>> Is there any way I could make an emulator for the eMate 300? I have an ebook that details how to program in Newton OS, but no way to get it from my PC to the eMate. I remember hearing about someone trying to make an emulator for one of the other Newton products, but I haven't been able to find it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Have you tried searching for Google Groups containing "eMate" or "Newton" and "Apple II" and/or "emulator" in their titles or messages? Or, doing an Internet search, too?

This group is for Apple // emulators of all kinds, from Windows to Linux. What I'd like to know of is an Apple // emulator I can use as perhaps a guideline to making my own emulator for use on an eMate. Yes, I have looked elsewhere for help, but to no avail. I'd hate to work from scratch if I don't have to.
Re: Emulator Question [message #345381 is a reply to message #344873] Tue, 20 June 2017 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: James Davis

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 1:57:37 AM UTC-7, sicklittlemonkey wrote:
> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 13:44:50 UTC+12, James Davis wrote:
>> Have you tried searching for Google Groups
>
> Have you?
>
> You'll see Ralph has been asking the same question for over 10 years now.
>
> Cheers,
> Nick.

Sorry I annoyed you Nick! I was just asking to be helpful.

I don't always feel like searching for others. I do so when I have a real interest in the subject matter myself. Then, I usually post any links I find.

I have no personal interest in the eMate or Newton OS, so I was merely making some suggestion for further searches. At the time though, I did not find anything in the Asimov index other than "Isaac Newton."

Also, I do not know Ralph Glatt or you, or what has been going on here for the last 10 years. I just joined CSA2 recently.

James Davis
Re: Emulator Question [message #346199 is a reply to message #344169] Wed, 21 June 2017 00:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 7:34:43 AM UTC-6, Ralph Glatt wrote:
> Is there any way I could make an emulator for the eMate 300? I have an ebook that details how to program in Newton OS, but no way to get it from my PC to the eMate. I remember hearing about someone trying to make an emulator for one of the other Newton products, but I haven't been able to find it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


Wiki states that the Emate supports Infrared transfers. I have only done it once with two Powerbook 5300's. Kinda cool. But didn't have much use for it, so didn't play with it much.

To do what you want, you will have to get a hold of an older powerbook with IrDA (Infrared) capabilities.

Rob
Re: Emulator Question [message #346200 is a reply to message #346199] Wed, 21 June 2017 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Ralph Glatt

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:39:32 AM UTC-4, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
> On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 7:34:43 AM UTC-6, Ralph Glatt wrote:
>> Is there any way I could make an emulator for the eMate 300? I have an ebook that details how to program in Newton OS, but no way to get it from my PC to the eMate. I remember hearing about someone trying to make an emulator for one of the other Newton products, but I haven't been able to find it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
>
> Wiki states that the Emate supports Infrared transfers. I have only done it once with two Powerbook 5300's. Kinda cool. But didn't have much use for it, so didn't play with it much.
>
> To do what you want, you will have to get a hold of an older powerbook with IrDA (Infrared) capabilities.
>
> Rob

I was thinking along the lines of putting the emulator on a PC card (removable media for the eMate) so I'd still be able to use the eMate for it's original purpose as well. Going back in my cluster of notes, I found that I probably will need software called Newton Toolkit to do the programming, so I'm going to search for that again. I'm not absolutely sure, but I also seem to remember hearing that someone wanted to create an Apple // emulator for other, non - eMate Newton devices. No idea how far he got or even where to find him. I'll keep looking.

I did once think about putting a Raspberry Pi into an eMate case, but the person I talked to about it said I may have to use a different screen and keyboard, which kind of defeats some of the purpose of using the eMate case.

As a last resort, I'm thinking of just buying a $20 laptop and run Applewin on it.
Re: Emulator Question [message #346954 is a reply to message #346200] Thu, 22 June 2017 02:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thursday, 22 June 2017 01:26:15 UTC+12, Ralph Glatt wrote:
> Going back in my cluster of notes, I found that I probably will need software called Newton Toolkit to do the programming, so I'm going to search for that again. I'm not absolutely sure, but I also seem to remember hearing that someone wanted to create an Apple // emulator for other, non - eMate Newton devices. No idea how far he got or even where to find him. I'll keep looking.

If you really wanted to do this, 10 years is probably enough time to have gathered the resources and contacts to actually get it done or determine feasibility.

For instance, a few years back this guy published a new version of a Newton program he had written:
https://github.com/masonmark/Dash-Board-for-Newton-OS

There are places full of Newton info:
http://newtonscript.org/

Newton emulators:
https://github.com/pguyot/einstein
etc etc

> I did once think about putting a Raspberry Pi into an eMate case, but the person I talked to about it said I may have to use a different screen and keyboard, which kind of defeats some of the purpose of using the eMate case..
>
> As a last resort, I'm thinking of just buying a $20 laptop and run Applewin on it.

Back in 2004 I used the Sharp Zaurus Linux handheld with a port of YAE. which worked pretty well:
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=sharp+zaurus+SL-C860&t bm=isch&sa=X

These days you can still get Android or Linux devices if you search around. A few people have put Raspberry Pi's into cases with screens and keyboards..

Here's a serious option with a serious (around 500 Euros) price:
https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/

Here's a cool cheap ($69) option, but the screen is not quite large enough, and it's not a clamshell design.
https://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip

Cheers,
Nick.
Re: Emulator Question [message #346988 is a reply to message #346954] Thu, 22 June 2017 12:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Here's a cool cheap ($69) option, but the screen is not quite large enough, and it's not a clamshell design.
> https://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip

I have the PocketChip and give some information that may be pertinent.

While it is definitely a super cool neat hacking device ...

* It runs Debian :-)
* Has native support for composite out -- albeit using a TRRS (Tip-Ring-Ring-Sleeve) connector
* The plastic shell case seems decent
* LCD is a touch screen
* Has dedicated arrows keys
* Arrow keys are in proper diamond shape
* Has a dedicated home button

.... there are a few caveats I would advise against it as I don't believe it will meet the OP's needs satisfactory.

First, the LCD screen is only 480 x 272. For normal HGR Apple programs this low resolution this might be fine -- but if you need simulate half-pixel accuracy or DHGR I'd be wary of the picture quality. The external resolution DOES support these resolutions:

* HDMI: 1920 by 1080 -- but only at a crappy 30Hz.
* VGA: 1600 by 900 at 60 Hz


Second, a person will want to also order either the:

* HDMI -- https://docs.getchip.com/dip.html#hdmi-dip
* VGA -- https://docs.getchip.com/dip.html#vga-dip

DIP boards. They are mentioned here ...
https://docs.getchip.com/chip.html#monitor

.... but unfortunately it looks like neither adapter is available in the store. :-/
I pre-ordered the PocketChip with both via KickStarter so I _do_ know that they exist as I have them. :-)

Third, the push-button keyboard is a litte, uhm, different. Personally, I hate the feel of the native keyboard. I can understand from a hardware cost POV that it makes a lot of sense. But you'll want to hook up a real keyboard (USB/Bluetooth) ASAP so you don't drive yourself insane.


All things considered, the path of least resistance is probably ordering a used laptop for < $100.
i.e. I've picked up a few Apple MacBook Pro 15, Model A1226, for ~ $100 in the last few months.
* http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Apple+MacBook+Pro+15%2C+ Model+A1226

You'll have to use Wine in order to run AppleWin on OSX. Depending on the needs it may be better to get a cheap Windows laptop.

The PocketChip is definitely cool hardware but I don't think it will meet the needs of the OP.

Just my $0.02c.
Re: Emulator Question [message #346989 is a reply to message #346988] Thu, 22 June 2017 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Some further information.

I took another look at my PocketChip -- I don't see a way to open the plastic case. :-/

It looks like others have the same problem.
https://bbs.nextthing.co/t/solved-----having-impossible-time -getting-chip-out-of-pocketchip-to-open-case/7689/4

The PocketChip is basically a CHIP + LCD packaged together.

Quoting nikkelitous from:
* https://bbs.nextthing.co/t/pocket-chip-hdmi/6189/3

> "The Pocket CHIP is really not made to hook to an external monitor.
> Though you CAN hook up any bluetooth/USB keyboard or mice.
> Your best bet would be to use a CHIP with the "standard" system flashed.
> Then you can use a 3.5mm to RCA to plug into a composite TV. Or you could buy the HDMI dip.
> Sadly, those wont work on the PocketCHIP since the Chip can only output to 1 display at a time.

The catch is that you CAN'T use _both_ the LCD and external monitor at the same time.
That's why people say basically go with the $9 chip along with the add-ons.

Hope this helps.
Re: Emulator Question [message #347052 is a reply to message #346989] Fri, 23 June 2017 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 9:31:55 AM UTC-7, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev wrote:
> I took another look at my PocketChip -- I don't see a way to open the plastic case. :-/

OK, I finally grok how the case (PocketCHIP) and CHIP is put together.

The CHIP is "like" an over-sized 9V battery but with (female) 2x 40 PIN headers.

The PocketCHIP case is _effectively_ a LCD DIP. The male 80 pins on the PocketCHIP case means the regular CHIP is held VERY firmly in place. You basically need to rock it back and forth to remove it.

The CHIP is loosely comparable to a Raspberry Pi Zero ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52kBZtiPHq4
Re: Emulator Question [message #347091 is a reply to message #346200] Sat, 24 June 2017 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Ralph Glatt

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 9:26:15 AM UTC-4, Ralph Glatt wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:39:32 AM UTC-4, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
>> On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 7:34:43 AM UTC-6, Ralph Glatt wrote:
>>> Is there any way I could make an emulator for the eMate 300? I have an ebook that details how to program in Newton OS, but no way to get it from my PC to the eMate. I remember hearing about someone trying to make an emulator for one of the other Newton products, but I haven't been able to find it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Wiki states that the Emate supports Infrared transfers. I have only done it once with two Powerbook 5300's. Kinda cool. But didn't have much use for it, so didn't play with it much.
>>
>> To do what you want, you will have to get a hold of an older powerbook with IrDA (Infrared) capabilities.
>>
>> Rob
>
> I was thinking along the lines of putting the emulator on a PC card (removable media for the eMate) so I'd still be able to use the eMate for it's original purpose as well. Going back in my cluster of notes, I found that I probably will need software called Newton Toolkit to do the programming, so I'm going to search for that again. I'm not absolutely sure, but I also seem to remember hearing that someone wanted to create an Apple // emulator for other, non - eMate Newton devices. No idea how far he got or even where to find him. I'll keep looking.
>
> I did once think about putting a Raspberry Pi into an eMate case, but the person I talked to about it said I may have to use a different screen and keyboard, which kind of defeats some of the purpose of using the eMate case..
>
> As a last resort, I'm thinking of just buying a $20 laptop and run Applewin on it.

Okay, I found the software I need to program the eMate. Now what I need is an emulator from some other platform to use as reference.
Re: Emulator Question [message #347169 is a reply to message #346989] Tue, 27 June 2017 01:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Friday, 23 June 2017 04:31:55 UTC+12, Michael AppleWin Debugger Dev wrote:
> Quoting nikkelitous from:
> * https://bbs.nextthing.co/t/pocket-chip-hdmi/6189/3
>
>> "The Pocket CHIP is really not made to hook to an external monitor.
>> Though you CAN hook up any bluetooth/USB keyboard or mice.
>> Your best bet would be to use a CHIP with the "standard" system flashed.
>> Then you can use a 3.5mm to RCA to plug into a composite TV. Or you could buy the HDMI dip.
>> Sadly, those wont work on the PocketCHIP since the Chip can only output to 1 display at a time.

This project uses Charles Mangin's case and a fork of LinApple (which is of course an old fork of AppleWin) and the composite output to make a mini Apple II running on CHIP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lT-nHeKR9g
https://github.com/Cupcakus/AppleIIMini

What would be really nice would be a Lynx type form factor with a joystick and buttons (and maybe a clamshell case with fold out keyboard) around the screen.

Cheers,
Nick.
Re: Emulator Question [message #348785 is a reply to message #347091] Wed, 19 July 2017 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 9:25:54 AM UTC-4, Ralph Glatt wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 9:26:15 AM UTC-4, Ralph Glatt wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:39:32 AM UTC-4, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
>>> On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 7:34:43 AM UTC-6, Ralph Glatt wrote:
>>>> Is there any way I could make an emulator for the eMate 300? I have an ebook that details how to program in Newton OS, but no way to get it from my PC to the eMate. I remember hearing about someone trying to make an emulator for one of the other Newton products, but I haven't been able to find it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Wiki states that the Emate supports Infrared transfers. I have only done it once with two Powerbook 5300's. Kinda cool. But didn't have much use for it, so didn't play with it much.
>>>
>>> To do what you want, you will have to get a hold of an older powerbook with IrDA (Infrared) capabilities.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>> I was thinking along the lines of putting the emulator on a PC card (removable media for the eMate) so I'd still be able to use the eMate for it's original purpose as well. Going back in my cluster of notes, I found that I probably will need software called Newton Toolkit to do the programming, so I'm going to search for that again. I'm not absolutely sure, but I also seem to remember hearing that someone wanted to create an Apple // emulator for other, non - eMate Newton devices. No idea how far he got or even where to find him. I'll keep looking.
>>
>> I did once think about putting a Raspberry Pi into an eMate case, but the person I talked to about it said I may have to use a different screen and keyboard, which kind of defeats some of the purpose of using the eMate case.
>>
>> As a last resort, I'm thinking of just buying a $20 laptop and run Applewin on it.
>
> Okay, I found the software I need to program the eMate. Now what I need is an emulator from some other platform to use as reference.

Hey Ralph,

Why don't you use the Einstein emulator? Read about it here :

http://www.macworld.com/article/1154187/newtonos_ipad.html

Regards,

Anthony
Re: Emulator Question [message #348837 is a reply to message #348785] Thu, 20 July 2017 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Ralph Glatt

On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 5:19:06 PM UTC-4, Anthony Ortiz wrote:
> On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 9:25:54 AM UTC-4, Ralph Glatt wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 9:26:15 AM UTC-4, Ralph Glatt wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:39:32 AM UTC-4, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:
>>>> On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 7:34:43 AM UTC-6, Ralph Glatt wrote:
>>>> > Is there any way I could make an emulator for the eMate 300? I have an ebook that details how to program in Newton OS, but no way to get it from my PC to the eMate. I remember hearing about someone trying to make an emulator for one of the other Newton products, but I haven't been able to find it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wiki states that the Emate supports Infrared transfers. I have only done it once with two Powerbook 5300's. Kinda cool. But didn't have much use for it, so didn't play with it much.
>>>>
>>>> To do what you want, you will have to get a hold of an older powerbook with IrDA (Infrared) capabilities.
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>
>>> I was thinking along the lines of putting the emulator on a PC card (removable media for the eMate) so I'd still be able to use the eMate for it's original purpose as well. Going back in my cluster of notes, I found that I probably will need software called Newton Toolkit to do the programming, so I'm going to search for that again. I'm not absolutely sure, but I also seem to remember hearing that someone wanted to create an Apple // emulator for other, non - eMate Newton devices. No idea how far he got or even where to find him. I'll keep looking.
>>>
>>> I did once think about putting a Raspberry Pi into an eMate case, but the person I talked to about it said I may have to use a different screen and keyboard, which kind of defeats some of the purpose of using the eMate case.
>>>
>>> As a last resort, I'm thinking of just buying a $20 laptop and run Applewin on it.
>>
>> Okay, I found the software I need to program the eMate. Now what I need is an emulator from some other platform to use as reference.
>
> Hey Ralph,
>
> Why don't you use the Einstein emulator? Read about it here :
>
> http://www.macworld.com/article/1154187/newtonos_ipad.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony

Thanks for the link, but I don't need Newton emulation, I need an Apple// emulator for an eMate. I lost the eMate I used to own, and (judging by the current market) getting another would cost more than I can afford. I really don't understand the prices I've seen, given that the eMate was basically a glorified word processor for kids K-12.
Re: Emulator Question [message #348840 is a reply to message #348837] Thu, 20 July 2017 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 1:29:23 PM UTC-4, Ralph Glatt wrote:
> Thanks for the link, but I don't need Newton emulation, I need an Apple// emulator for an eMate. I lost the eMate I used to own, and (judging by the current market) getting another would cost more than I can afford. I really don't understand the prices I've seen, given that the eMate was basically a glorified word processor for kids K-12.

So you want to create an Apple II emulator that runs in an eMate, but you no longer own an eMate?
Re: Emulator Question [message #348908 is a reply to message #348840] Fri, 21 July 2017 10:04 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: Ralph Glatt

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 3:54:33 PM UTC-4, Anthony Ortiz wrote:
> On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 1:29:23 PM UTC-4, Ralph Glatt wrote:
>> Thanks for the link, but I don't need Newton emulation, I need an Apple// emulator for an eMate. I lost the eMate I used to own, and (judging by the current market) getting another would cost more than I can afford. I really don't understand the prices I've seen, given that the eMate was basically a glorified word processor for kids K-12.
>
> So you want to create an Apple II emulator that runs in an eMate, but you no longer own an eMate?

Yeah, so I probably should give up, since I don't have the resources I need.. The original idea was to gut the eMate and replace it with either a Mega // chip, or a Raspberry Pi running an Apple // emulator.
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