| OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #341664] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 21:28  |
hancock4
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TOTALLY OFF TOPIC*.
The rerun network MeTV has restarted Perry Mason, 9 a.m., weekday mornings
(check local listings). Other episodes run around midnight.
It was a well done show and ran for nine seasons. Most of the episodes
spent time introducing characters and a story line, and in the last few
minutes there is a trial (or hearing) and Perry Mason points out the
real guilty party. Most of the story lines dealt with wealthy people
with secret problems, often fraud or marital affairs. Frequently,
someone owns a business that is secretly totally broke or a sham.
Usually, but not always there is a murder.
One episode guested Leonard Nimoy as a smart-ass "cool cat" who
turned out to be the murderer. (Nimoy did lots of bad-guy guest
spots before S/T).
While some of the scandalous behavior of 1960 aren't such a big
deal today**, an episode or two is entertaining.
As already discussed, meTV also runs Mannix, 2 a.m. weekday mornings.
That's up to season 4 now. Mannix also has wealthy people
with secret problems, often fraud or marital affairs. For some
reason, his old army outfit from the Korean War had a lot of nuts
who went on to murder people 20 years later, which serves as a
number of plotlines.
* I don't think the show ever even mentions computers. But no one
walked to talk about the innards or descendants of the S/3.
** One episode dealt with a women teacher accused, by an anoymous
note, of having an affair with an 18 y/o boy in her class. She
insisted she was innocent, but half the small town had selfish
reasons to get rid of her, like the bar owner who had served boys
drinks illegally. The guy who played "Uncle Joe" in Petticoat Jct
was the opposing counsel.
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #341665 is a reply to message #341664] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 22:49  |
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On 04/14/2017 08:28 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> TOTALLY OFF TOPIC*.
>
> The rerun network MeTV has restarted Perry Mason, 9 a.m., weekday mornings
> (check local listings). Other episodes run around midnight.
>
> It was a well done show and ran for nine seasons. Most of the episodes
> spent time introducing characters and a story line, and in the last few
> minutes there is a trial (or hearing) and Perry Mason points out the
> real guilty party. Most of the story lines dealt with wealthy people
> with secret problems, often fraud or marital affairs. Frequently,
> someone owns a business that is secretly totally broke or a sham.
> Usually, but not always there is a murder.
>
> One episode guested Leonard Nimoy as a smart-ass "cool cat" who
> turned out to be the murderer. (Nimoy did lots of bad-guy guest
> spots before S/T).
<snip>
Yep, recall the show from when I was a kid...very popular
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #341769 is a reply to message #341665] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 10:42 |
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On 2017-04-15, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
> Yep, recall the show from when I was a kid...very popular
One of the things the show was known for was its technical accuracy in
the portrayal of courtroom procedure.
Mason won the vast majority of his cases, but I saw an episode recently
where he actually lost. (Later he was able to exonerate his client by
staying on the case and finding new evidence.)
The series was black and white with the exception of one episode of the
original series was filmed in color. Then there was a revival of the
series in the 1980s but it was not as good as the original.
The main thing I learned from the show is that in a murder trial or
pre-trial hearing the Real Killer is almost always present in the
courtroom, sometimes even on the witness stand.
In more recent Perry Mason news, Barbara Hale, who played Mason's secretary
("Della Street"), passed away in January at the age of 94.
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #341783 is a reply to message #341769] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 13:50 |
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On 2017-04-16, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-04-15, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Yep, recall the show from when I was a kid...very popular
>
> pre-trial hearing the Real Killer is almost always present in the
> courtroom, sometimes even on the witness stand.
>
> In more recent Perry Mason news, Barbara Hale, who played Mason's secretary
> ("Della Street"), passed away in January at the age of 94.
>
In most murder cases, the killer is either a member of the family, or
well known to the victim. That is why most 'hits' are unsolved.
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #341845 is a reply to message #341769] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 09:15 |
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Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2017-04-15, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Yep, recall the show from when I was a kid...very popular
>
> One of the things the show was known for was its technical accuracy in
> the portrayal of courtroom procedure.
>
> Mason won the vast majority of his cases, but I saw an episode recently
> where he actually lost. (Later he was able to exonerate his client by
> staying on the case and finding new evidence.)
>
> The series was black and white with the exception of one episode of the
> original series was filmed in color. Then there was a revival of the
> series in the 1980s but it was not as good as the original.
>
> The main thing I learned from the show is that in a murder trial or
> pre-trial hearing the Real Killer is almost always present in the
> courtroom, sometimes even on the witness stand.
>
> In more recent Perry Mason news, Barbara Hale, who played Mason's secretary
> ("Della Street"), passed away in January at the age of 94.
>
Erle Stanley Gardner, the author of the Perry Mason books, strongly
believed that everything should be based in reality. I no longer
recall what he did (forensic pathology?) but he knew all the
procedures of crime investigation because of his day job.
/BAH
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #341865 is a reply to message #341769] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 11:46 |
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 14:42:02 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>
wrote:
> In more recent Perry Mason news, Barbara Hale, who played Mason's secretary
> ("Della Street"), passed away in January at the age of 94.
I've seen a few snippets of the show while channel surfing, but I am otherwise
unfamiliar with the program...
Was Perry ever romantically involved with Della? Was it acknowledged, implied,
just assumed, or denied?
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #341909 is a reply to message #341845] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 17:00 |
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On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 9:13:03 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
> Erle Stanley Gardner, the author of the Perry Mason books, strongly
> believed that everything should be based in reality. I no longer
> recall what he did (forensic pathology?) but he knew all the
> procedures of crime investigation because of his day job.
The first episode of the 1957 series aired the other night. While
I'm not lawyer, I can't help but suspect many legal niceties were
discarded in the interest of drama, by both Perry and the cops.
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #341910 is a reply to message #341865] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 17:02 |
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On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 11:44:44 AM UTC-4, Questor wrote:
> I've seen a few snippets of the show while channel surfing, but I am otherwise
> unfamiliar with the program...
It's on twice a day on MeTV. I think that's actually a broadcast
network. Anyway, an episode is definitely worth taping and viewing
just to see a famous a show.
> Was Perry ever romantically involved with Della? Was it acknowledged, implied,
> just assumed, or denied?
I don't believe so. Indeed, very little was said about the personal
lives of the principal characters (Perry, Paul Drake, and Della Street).
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #341928 is a reply to message #341865] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 19:25 |
Roger Blake
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On 2017-04-17, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
> Was Perry ever romantically involved with Della? Was it acknowledged, implied,
> just assumed, or denied?
I don't recall any kind of romantic relationship. I get the impression
watching the series now that perhaps she was ever hopeful but nothing
ever came of it, even 20 years later in the series reboot where she was
still his secretary.
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #342436 is a reply to message #341909] |
Tue, 18 April 2017 09:33 |
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hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 9:13:03 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
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>> Erle Stanley Gardner, the author of the Perry Mason books, strongly
>> believed that everything should be based in reality. I no longer
>> recall what he did (forensic pathology?) but he knew all the
>> procedures of crime investigation because of his day job.
>
> The first episode of the 1957 series aired the other night. While
> I'm not lawyer, I can't help but suspect many legal niceties were
> discarded in the interest of drama, by both Perry and the cops.
>
>
I doubt it; you have to remember that the stories occurred in the
1940s and 50s. There was no Miranda back then and lots of
organized crime.
/BAH
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #342437 is a reply to message #341865] |
Tue, 18 April 2017 09:33 |
jmfbahciv
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Questor wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 14:42:02 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
<rogblake@iname.invalid>
> wrote:
>> In more recent Perry Mason news, Barbara Hale, who played Mason's secretary
>> ("Della Street"), passed away in January at the age of 94.
>
> I've seen a few snippets of the show while channel surfing, but I am
otherwise
> unfamiliar with the program...
>
> Was Perry ever romantically involved with Della? Was it acknowledged,
implied,
> just assumed, or denied?
>
There were only one or two stories which involved a main character's
personal life; one of them had to do with the prosecutor. I think
one of the books described a scene in Mason's apartment but it had
nothing to do with the other main characters.
/BAH
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #342445 is a reply to message #341909] |
Tue, 18 April 2017 14:17 |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 9:13:03 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
>
>> Erle Stanley Gardner, the author of the Perry Mason books, strongly
>> believed that everything should be based in reality. I no longer
>> recall what he did (forensic pathology?) but he knew all the
>> procedures of crime investigation because of his day job.
>
> The first episode of the 1957 series aired the other night. While
> I'm not lawyer, I can't help but suspect many legal niceties were
> discarded in the interest of drama, by both Perry and the cops.
>
Most of his cases, the defendant isn't guilty, which can't be the case in
reality. Even people pleading guilty need a lawyer to protect their
interests.
But on top of that, in most cases he pulls someone in as a witness, and
then exposes him as the guilty party. I don't think that happens much in
real court cases. Matlock does the same thing, and I've been watching
that more carefully than Perry Mason. But with Matlock, it's a split,
some episodes the trial goes to jury, and the defendant found not-guilty.
But other times, the prosecutor withdraws the case. I'm not sure if it
varies through the series, or they just decided to switchover to the other
part way through. So I suppose the ones where the jury finds the
defendant not guilty, it might just mean Matlock has caused the jury to
doubt the guilt, by Matlock insinuating that someone else is the
perpetrator. I'd like to know how many of the cases find the right
criminal in the end.
Perry Mason also has his own private investigator, I wonder if that's
reality. Matlock had the same thing, but it might just be because Perry
had one.
Michael
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #342446 is a reply to message #341910] |
Tue, 18 April 2017 14:19 |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 11:44:44 AM UTC-4, Questor wrote:
>
>> I've seen a few snippets of the show while channel surfing, but I am otherwise
>> unfamiliar with the program...
>
> It's on twice a day on MeTV. I think that's actually a broadcast
> network. Anyway, an episode is definitely worth taping and viewing
> just to see a famous a show.
>
>
>> Was Perry ever romantically involved with Della? Was it acknowledged, implied,
>> just assumed, or denied?
>
> I don't believe so. Indeed, very little was said about the personal
> lives of the principal characters (Perry, Paul Drake, and Della Street).
>
When Raymond Burr becomes Ironside, he rarely seems to date, but there
were a string of women who seemed to be past lovers. And one time he
comes up to Montreal (the episode apparently didn't air at the time here,
too close to reality) and meets an old flame, who happens to have a son,
and they seem to hint that it might be Ironside's son. But the son is a
terrorist, reflecting the real time FLQ.
Michael
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #342455 is a reply to message #342445] |
Tue, 18 April 2017 15:40 |
Peter Flass
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Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 9:13:03 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>
>>> Erle Stanley Gardner, the author of the Perry Mason books, strongly
>>> believed that everything should be based in reality. I no longer
>>> recall what he did (forensic pathology?) but he knew all the
>>> procedures of crime investigation because of his day job.
>>
>> The first episode of the 1957 series aired the other night. While
>> I'm not lawyer, I can't help but suspect many legal niceties were
>> discarded in the interest of drama, by both Perry and the cops.
>>
> Most of his cases, the defendant isn't guilty, which can't be the case in
> reality. Even people pleading guilty need a lawyer to protect their
> interests.
>
> But on top of that, in most cases he pulls someone in as a witness, and
> then exposes him as the guilty party. I don't think that happens much in
> real court cases. Matlock does the same thing, and I've been watching
> that more carefully than Perry Mason. But with Matlock, it's a split,
> some episodes the trial goes to jury, and the defendant found not-guilty.
> But other times, the prosecutor withdraws the case. I'm not sure if it
> varies through the series, or they just decided to switchover to the other
> part way through. So I suppose the ones where the jury finds the
> defendant not guilty, it might just mean Matlock has caused the jury to
> doubt the guilt, by Matlock insinuating that someone else is the
> perpetrator. I'd like to know how many of the cases find the right
> criminal in the end.
>
> Perry Mason also has his own private investigator, I wonder if that's
> reality. Matlock had the same thing, but it might just be because Perry
> had one.
I think larger law firms tend to have in-house investigators, but that may
also be just an impression from too much TV.
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #342468 is a reply to message #342436] |
Tue, 18 April 2017 17:40 |
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On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
The first episode of the 1957 series aired the other night. While
>> I'm not lawyer, I can't help but suspect many legal niceties were
>> discarded in the interest of drama, by both Perry and the cops.
>>
>>
> I doubt it; you have to remember that the stories occurred in the
> 1940s and 50s. There was no Miranda back then and lots of
> organized crime.
In 1957 there was no Miranda, but I'm pretty sure there was attorney-
client privilege. In this particular episode, it certainly appeared
that Perry was exercising it, though the cops were pressuring him not
to. Perry prevailed. Also, even without Miranda, a defendant still
had constitutional rights; the lawyer and defendant had to be more
assertive about them. Many older TV shows and movies show that,
assuming the defendant had a good lawyer. I think those folks who
didn't have a good lawyer were screwed.
I don't know the overall series, but I don't think the show dealt
with organized crime, or even criminal gangs. I think in most cases
the perps were one or two people.
I will note that the novels the series was based on may have been
written in an earlier time.
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #342470 is a reply to message #342445] |
Tue, 18 April 2017 17:48 |
hancock4
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On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 2:09:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
> Most of his cases, the defendant isn't guilty, which can't be the case in
> reality. Even people pleading guilty need a lawyer to protect their
> interests.
I often wonder what is the percentage of people in prison who are
totally innocent of _any_ crime and shouldn't be there. Sometimes
the authorities can't get you on the blatant crime, but found something
else to nail you with, such as Al Capone convicted of tax evasion.
Cops and prosecutors are human and under pressure to get convictions.
Undoubtedly many mistakes are made. Some of them resort to illegal
efforts to gain a conviction.
> But on top of that, in most cases he pulls someone in as a witness, and
> then exposes him as the guilty party. I don't think that happens much in
> real court cases. Matlock does the same thing, and I've been watching
> that more carefully than Perry Mason. But with Matlock, it's a split,
> some episodes the trial goes to jury, and the defendant found not-guilty.
> But other times, the prosecutor withdraws the case. I'm not sure if it
> varies through the series, or they just decided to switchover to the other
> part way through. So I suppose the ones where the jury finds the
> defendant not guilty, it might just mean Matlock has caused the jury to
> doubt the guilt, by Matlock insinuating that someone else is the
> perpetrator. I'd like to know how many of the cases find the right
> criminal in the end.
I would think a subpoenaed witness who is guilty would be smart enough
to keep their mouths shut, answer only the minimum and not volunteer
anything. In this first episode, Mason discovered that the witness,
a small motel owner, destroyed a registration card. That in itself
is not a crime, and the owner should've kept quiet. Instead, he then
admitted his guilt. Usually in Perry Mason the guilty party is rather
emotional.
> Perry Mason also has his own private investigator, I wonder if that's
> reality. Matlock had the same thing, but it might just be because Perry
> had one.
I would guess most criminal lawyers have a private investigator on call.
AFAIK, Perry's man, Paul Drake, ran his own firm and was not an employee
of Mason. While Drake was the only one shown, it was implied at times
he "had a man working on it."
Indeed, I don't recall anyone else working in Mason's office except
Della Street, but it is implied she has help.
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #342483 is a reply to message #342470] |
Wed, 19 April 2017 05:04 |
Richard Thiebaud
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On 04/18/2017 05:48 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 2:09:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
>
>> Most of his cases, the defendant isn't guilty, which can't be the case in
>> reality. Even people pleading guilty need a lawyer to protect their
>> interests.
>
> I often wonder what is the percentage of people in prison who are
> totally innocent of _any_ crime and shouldn't be there. Sometimes
> the authorities can't get you on the blatant crime, but found something
> else to nail you with, such as Al Capone convicted of tax evasion.
>
> Cops and prosecutors are human and under pressure to get convictions.
> Undoubtedly many mistakes are made. Some of them resort to illegal
> efforts to gain a conviction.
>
>
>> But on top of that, in most cases he pulls someone in as a witness, and
>> then exposes him as the guilty party. I don't think that happens much in
>> real court cases. Matlock does the same thing, and I've been watching
>> that more carefully than Perry Mason. But with Matlock, it's a split,
>> some episodes the trial goes to jury, and the defendant found not-guilty.
>> But other times, the prosecutor withdraws the case. I'm not sure if it
>> varies through the series, or they just decided to switchover to the other
>> part way through. So I suppose the ones where the jury finds the
>> defendant not guilty, it might just mean Matlock has caused the jury to
>> doubt the guilt, by Matlock insinuating that someone else is the
>> perpetrator. I'd like to know how many of the cases find the right
>> criminal in the end.
>
> I would think a subpoenaed witness who is guilty would be smart enough
> to keep their mouths shut, answer only the minimum and not volunteer
> anything. In this first episode, Mason discovered that the witness,
> a small motel owner, destroyed a registration card. That in itself
> is not a crime, and the owner should've kept quiet. Instead, he then
> admitted his guilt. Usually in Perry Mason the guilty party is rather
> emotional.
>
>
>
>> Perry Mason also has his own private investigator, I wonder if that's
>> reality. Matlock had the same thing, but it might just be because Perry
>> had one.
>
> I would guess most criminal lawyers have a private investigator on call.
> AFAIK, Perry's man, Paul Drake, ran his own firm and was not an employee
> of Mason. While Drake was the only one shown, it was implied at times
> he "had a man working on it."
>
> Indeed, I don't recall anyone else working in Mason's office except
> Della Street, but it is implied she has help.
>
>
>
There was a woman named Gertie working in the office, possibly as a
typist or receptionist. She was shown on one episode I saw.
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #342495 is a reply to message #342468] |
Wed, 19 April 2017 09:10 |
jmfbahciv
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hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
>
> The first episode of the 1957 series aired the other night. While
>>> I'm not lawyer, I can't help but suspect many legal niceties were
>>> discarded in the interest of drama, by both Perry and the cops.
>>>
>>>
>> I doubt it; you have to remember that the stories occurred in the
>> 1940s and 50s. There was no Miranda back then and lots of
>> organized crime.
>
> In 1957 there was no Miranda, but I'm pretty sure there was attorney-
> client privilege. In this particular episode, it certainly appeared
> that Perry was exercising it, though the cops were pressuring him not
> to. Perry prevailed. Also, even without Miranda, a defendant still
> had constitutional rights; the lawyer and defendant had to be more
> assertive about them. Many older TV shows and movies show that,
> assuming the defendant had a good lawyer. I think those folks who
> didn't have a good lawyer were screwed.
>
> I don't know the overall series, but I don't think the show dealt
> with organized crime, or even criminal gangs. I think in most cases
> the perps were one or two people.
Right. Mason's clients were usually middle to upper class, even in
the books.
>
> I will note that the novels the series was based on may have been
> written in an earlier time.
I liked Gardner's books more than the Hardy Boys. I don't care
for the "phil Marlowe" style of detective stories. I haven't read
a Perry Mason book in ... decades!!!...I'm getting old ;-)
/BAH
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| Re: OFF TOPIC: Perry Mason (1957) on meTV [message #342778 is a reply to message #342495] |
Thu, 20 April 2017 13:48 |
hancock4
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On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 9:10:41 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
> Right. Mason's clients were usually middle to upper class, even in
> the books.
Actually, a lot of his clients were modest people who worked for
wealthy people, and somehow got framed for a murder. In the first
episode, the defendant was a waitress who hoped to be a Hollywood
star but got duped.
> I liked Gardner's books more than the Hardy Boys. I don't care
> for the "phil Marlowe" style of detective stories. I haven't read
> a Perry Mason book in ... decades!!!...I'm getting old ;-)
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