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eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341660] Fri, 14 April 2017 20:53 Go to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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I realized I don't have an original ][+ (nor a //c plus) to test my game on :-/ ...
.... so I thought I'd check eBay.

BWAHAHA.

What's with the crazy prices north of $1K for a crappy ][+ ???

Stating Bid: $1090
Buyout: $1,450.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Apple-II-Computer-A2S1-s-n-1 7679-mint-condition-ship-world-wide-/162469969588

Buyout: $1700
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-II-1979-RARE-MODEL-A2S1048A-Ap ple-monitor-1979-/112152962368

Of course there is always this delusion fool ...

Buyout: $19,500.00
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Early-1977-Apple-II-Rev-0-w-white-MO S-6502-Processor-no-plus-Mac-1-I-Computer/252783664629


Somebody has been smoking something **WAY** too much.
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341670 is a reply to message #341660] Sat, 15 April 2017 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill Garber is currently offline  Bill Garber
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"Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev'" wrote in message
news:412d8f30-79d0-4348-a962-2bcb2758378f@googlegroups.com...

> Of course there is always this delusion fool ...
>
> Buyout: $19,500.00
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Early-1977-Apple-II-Rev-0-w-white-MO S-6502-Processor-no-plus-Mac-1-I-Computer/252783664629

If this were mine, I would want that much, but, would I want to even sell
it?

Probably not! :-)

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341705 is a reply to message #341660] Sat, 15 April 2017 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
D Finnigan is currently offline  D Finnigan
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Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev' wrote:
> I realized I don't have an original ][+ (nor a //c plus) to test my game
> on
> :-/ ...
> ... so I thought I'd check eBay.
>
> BWAHAHA.
>
> What's with the crazy prices north of $1K for a crappy ][+ ???
>
>
> Somebody has been smoking something **WAY** too much.
>

Nope, don't think of it that way. Think of this as the best time to sell
your Apple II equipment, profit, and switch over to using emulators only.

That's win-win as far as I see, cuz that's money in your pocket + better
incentive to improve your emulator.

--
]DF$
The Marina IP stack for Apple II--
http://marina.a2hq.com/
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341707 is a reply to message #341705] Sat, 15 April 2017 14:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 9:31:31 AM UTC-7, D Finnigan wrote:
> Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev' wrote:
>> I realized I don't have an original ][+ (nor a //c plus) to test my game
>> on
>> :-/ ...
>> ... so I thought I'd check eBay.
>>
>> BWAHAHA.
>>
>> What's with the crazy prices north of $1K for a crappy ][+ ???
>>
>>
>> Somebody has been smoking something **WAY** too much.
> Nope, don't think of it that way. Think of this as the best time to sell
> your Apple II equipment, profit, and switch over to using emulators only.
>
> That's win-win as far as I see, cuz that's money in your pocket + better
> incentive to improve your emulator.

NOW, he tells me after I spend WAY too money tracking down some original disks and hardware for my Apple 2 "Shrine". :-)

Hey, how can I verify our emulator works if I don't have real hardware to test on? :-)
Maybe someday we'll see Laser 128 and //c emulation in AppleWin.
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341710 is a reply to message #341707] Sat, 15 April 2017 15:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
D Finnigan is currently offline  D Finnigan
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Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev' wrote:
>
> Hey, how can I verify our emulator works if I don't have real hardware to
> test on? :-)

Sarcastic smiley sold separately. See store for details. :=P
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341714 is a reply to message #341710] Sat, 15 April 2017 16:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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Only for a low price of $19,999.99, right? :-)
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341716 is a reply to message #341707] Sat, 15 April 2017 18:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steve Nickolas is currently offline  Steve Nickolas
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2017, Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev' wrote:

> On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 9:31:31 AM UTC-7, D Finnigan wrote:
>> Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev' wrote:
>>> I realized I don't have an original ][+ (nor a //c plus) to test my game
>>> on
>>> :-/ ...
>>> ... so I thought I'd check eBay.
>>>
>>> BWAHAHA.
>>>
>>> What's with the crazy prices north of $1K for a crappy ][+ ???
>>>
>>>
>>> Somebody has been smoking something **WAY** too much.
>> Nope, don't think of it that way. Think of this as the best time to sell
>> your Apple II equipment, profit, and switch over to using emulators only.
>>
>> That's win-win as far as I see, cuz that's money in your pocket + better
>> incentive to improve your emulator.
>
> NOW, he tells me after I spend WAY too money tracking down some original disks and hardware for my Apple 2 "Shrine". :-)
>
> Hey, how can I verify our emulator works if I don't have real hardware to test on? :-)
> Maybe someday we'll see Laser 128 and //c emulation in AppleWin.
>

Funnily, the first Apple emulator I used actually emulated the Laser 128.
xD

-uso.
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341722 is a reply to message #341716] Sat, 15 April 2017 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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Which emulator was that, by chance?
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341797 is a reply to message #341660] Sun, 16 April 2017 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: James Davis

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 5:53:41 PM UTC-7, Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev' wrote:
> I realized I don't have an original ][+ (nor a //c plus) to test my game on :-/ ...
> ... so I thought I'd check eBay.
>
> BWAHAHA.
>
> What's with the crazy prices north of $1K for a crappy ][+ ???
>
> Stating Bid: $1090
> Buyout: $1,450.00
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Apple-II-Computer-A2S1-s-n-1 7679-mint-condition-ship-world-wide-/162469969588
>
> Buyout: $1700
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-II-1979-RARE-MODEL-A2S1048A-Ap ple-monitor-1979-/112152962368
>
> Of course there is always this delusion fool ...
>
> Buyout: $19,500.00
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Early-1977-Apple-II-Rev-0-w-white-MO S-6502-Processor-no-plus-Mac-1-I-Computer/252783664629
>
>
> Somebody has been smoking something **WAY** too much.

Yeah, The Cable Guy (a local repairman) told me a year ago that my Apple computers were worth a fortune, that they are now collector's items.

I have a spare Apple IIe with 2 Disk II 5.25" floppy drives, an Apple Monitor II, and a System Saver Fan, that I only want $300.00 for (locally), and I have been told that that is too much! I just want to get back the money I spent for it over 20 years ago. If I were to account for inflation, I would be charging 5 to 10 times what I paid for it, but I am not. Apple II computers are not like automobiles that depreciate. They are like homes, they appreciate!

I hope you appreciate that! (Pun intended.)

JPD
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341800 is a reply to message #341660] Sun, 16 April 2017 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: James Davis

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 5:53:41 PM UTC-7, Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev' wrote:
> I realized I don't have an original ][+ (nor a //c plus) to test my game on :-/ ...
> ... so I thought I'd check eBay.
>
> BWAHAHA.
>
> What's with the crazy prices north of $1K for a crappy ][+ ???
>
> Stating Bid: $1090
> Buyout: $1,450.00
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Apple-II-Computer-A2S1-s-n-1 7679-mint-condition-ship-world-wide-/162469969588
>
> Buyout: $1700
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-II-1979-RARE-MODEL-A2S1048A-Ap ple-monitor-1979-/112152962368
>
> Of course there is always this delusion fool ...
>
> Buyout: $19,500.00
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Early-1977-Apple-II-Rev-0-w-white-MO S-6502-Processor-no-plus-Mac-1-I-Computer/252783664629
>
>
> Somebody has been smoking something **WAY** too much.

Hi Michael,

Yeah, The Cable Guy (a local repairman) told me a year ago that my Apple II computers were worth a fortune, that they are now collector's items.

I have a spare Apple IIe with 2 Disk II 5.25" floppy drives, an Apple Monitor II, and a System Saver Fan, that I only want $300.00 for (locally), and I have been told that that is too much! I just want to get back the money I spent for it over 20 years ago. If I were to account for inflation, I would be charging 5 to 10 times what I paid for it, but I am not. Apple II computers are not like automobiles that depreciate. They are like homes that appreciate! I hope you appreciate that! (Pun intended.)

Now, if I could just get AppleWin to emulate all the hardware I have attached to my real (original, not spare) Enhanced Apple IIe, I could sell it too, but then I would not have a real one either.

James Davis
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341803 is a reply to message #341800] Sun, 16 April 2017 20:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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Nice pun :)

If you post you feature request I'll add it to our GitHub issue tracker.
eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341857 is a reply to message #341660] Mon, 17 April 2017 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Chris Zuhars

I'm one of those guys who hasn't just accepted that a basic II+ that's functional, but with no cards can only be bought (notice I didn't say "worth") for upwards of $200 or more because that's about where sellers are starting their bids. Yes, they may sit for a while as potential buyers are saying, "$200? Really?" and thinking two or three times about plunking down that much for testing the waters on a potential new hobby. But in the end, it comes down how badly you want something that most people not in the vintage computer or eBay worlds, discovering this old piece of junk in dad's attic, would just donate or toss.

I've (foolishly but curiously) started bids fairly low on several items I've recently sold to see what kind of prices the market would actually bear. That's how I let an Apple /// in good working order get away a couple of years ago for $230 plus shipping. That makes me a naive seller but it also shows the true market worth of these items.

Yet, when "everyone" begins their bids high like this, it spoils it for newcomers and enthusiasts alike, as well as sets unrealistic expectations for unknowledgeable sellers expecting to get maximum gain (not saying getting the most for your time is a bad thing) and not understanding why their $1100 Apple II+ with a missing power supply and banged up keyboard isn't flying out the virtual door. I mean... STEVE JOBS! RARE!.. right???

But the worst part is that this becomes the new norm for us buyers who truly want to share and use these devices but are stuck with the exaggerated prices because, "where else are you gonna go?"

So is that the true reality of "what the market will bear", whether we like it or not?

That's why eBay sucks, while I sit lusting after a new /// or IIc.

ChrisZ
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341858 is a reply to message #341705] Mon, 17 April 2017 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Chris Zuhars

Sorry. Emulators are great and have their uses, but while the components still work, nothing comes close to using actual, real hardware. :-)
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341872 is a reply to message #341857] Mon, 17 April 2017 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 7:17:48 AM UTC-7, Chris Zuhars wrote ...

> I'm one of those guys who hasn't just accepted that a basic II+ that's functional, but with no cards can only be bought (notice I didn't say "worth") for upwards of $200 or more because that's about where sellers are starting their bids

I think $200 is reasonable.

"I don't think $500+ is reasonable" he said after buying an Apple //c+ for $700 :-) I had to make an exception this one time because the chances of _finding_ a clean, working //c+ for < $500 is extremely rare so I jumped on that one.

But otherwise, yes, my soft cap is normally ~ $275 for computers.

But for a new hobby I could see definitely see north of $200 being a tad expensive for something that may or may not work!

It gets worse for software !!

Honestly, new users are probably better off downloading one of the many emulators but that might border on sacrilege for some. :-) I really wish Wine didn't suck so bad ...


> That's how I let an Apple /// in good working order get away a couple of years ago for $230 plus shipping.

:-/

OUCH -- that was a good price ! Thankfully, I have no desire to collect one. (For now.)


> But the worst part is that this becomes the new norm for us buyers who truly want to share and use these devices but are stuck with the exaggerated prices because, "where else are you gonna go?"

Sadly all too true. There is no real alternative of eBay for buying/selling Apple stuff. :-(

I _still_ need a Mockingboard for my //e but good luck trying to find any peripheral card that isn't a Drive card.

I'm getting fed up I might just end up building one.

What really chaps my lips is clueless sellers who show ONE blurry picture -- for a lot of hardware and software. WTF!? Show me pictures INSIDE the computer, and ALL the software included so I know _exactly_ what I'm bidding one because there is no way in hell I'm going to gamble $500+ on something that _might_ be worth it parted out.
Re: eBay smoking crack: Apple 2 Plus's --> $1,700 and $19,500 [message #341873 is a reply to message #341857] Mon, 17 April 2017 12:19 Go to previous message
Michael AppleWin Debu is currently offline  Michael AppleWin Debu
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On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 7:17:48 AM UTC-7, Chris Zuhars wrote:

> That's why eBay sucks, while I sit lusting after a new /// or IIc.

I might be able to help with the //c bit ... give me a few days to see the status of my extra //c I have laying around. I believe I have a 3rd one that works ...
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