| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341779 is a reply to message #341768] |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <ocvv57$pkv$1@dont-email.me>, despen@verizon.net says...
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> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
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>> The issue at hand is not whether there is a problem with the medical
>> system, the issue whether the government, which cannot reliably locate the
>> White House, is going to improve the situation by becoming involved.
>
> The government can't even...therefore chaos.
>
> Sorry, this assertion, "cannot reliably locate the White House"
> sounds like more bizarre right wing thinking, but Google is
> failing me. Care to explain?
< http://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/06/16/Soviet-girl-to-US-Pos t-Office-Cant-
anybody-there-read-Russian/9954424584000/>
However in fairness at the time I became aware of it, on a TV news show,
nobody mentioned that it was in Cyrillic, so perhaps the Post Office is not
_quite_ so inept. However they do not inspire confidence.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341781 is a reply to message #340209] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 13:07 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <od053r$g8l$1@dont-email.me>, dave.garland@wizinfo.com says...
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> On 4/16/2017 8:42 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Dave Garland wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2017 11:14 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> > On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > [17 lines snipped]
>>>> >
>>>> >> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> >> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> >> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> >> to state...
>>>> >
>>>> > I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>>>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think the Japanese use different systems (there is an entire
>>> Wikipedia article devoted to Japanese address systems). My impression
>>> (from the return addresses on packages I receive) is that the Chinese
>>> don't. And the US certainly used to put zone between city and state.
>>> I'm not even sure that every country even has the equivalent of states.
>>
>> Right. That's why discussions about centralized social benefits such
>> as medical insurance don't accomplish anything. The states in the US
>> are equivalent to countries in the EU.
>>
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> Eh, I'll believe that when each state has its own language, army, and
> electoral system (and perhaps if you're a citizen of Michigan you
> can't vote in Massachusetts),
Each state does have its own army, each state does have its own electoral
system, and if you are citizen of Michigan you _cannot_ vote in
Massachussetts unless you want to give up your right to vote in Michigan.
> and the US as a whole doesn't. When the
> US leaves the benighted states like Mississippi to stew in their own
> juices, instead of sending them aid and government contracts.
Like the EU is doing with Greece?
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341782 is a reply to message #341764] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 13:23 |
Bill Findlay
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jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> Dave Garland wrote:
>> On 4/14/2017 11:14 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [17 lines snipped]
>>>>
>>>> > Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> > order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> > illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> > to state...
>>>>
>>>> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>>>
>>
>> I think the Japanese use different systems (there is an entire
>> Wikipedia article devoted to Japanese address systems). My impression
>> (from the return addresses on packages I receive) is that the Chinese
>> don't. And the US certainly used to put zone between city and state.
>> I'm not even sure that every country even has the equivalent of states.
>
> Right. That's why discussions about centralized social benefits such
> as medical insurance don't accomplish anything. The states in the US
> are equivalent to countries in the EU.
Which US states have their own army, navy, air force, foreign treaties, and
a seat in the UN?
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Bill Findlay
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341784 is a reply to message #341779] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 14:31 |
Dan Espen
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"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> In article <ocvv57$pkv$1@dont-email.me>, despen@verizon.net says...
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>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
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>>> The issue at hand is not whether there is a problem with the medical
>>> system, the issue whether the government, which cannot reliably locate the
>>> White House, is going to improve the situation by becoming involved.
>>
>> The government can't even...therefore chaos.
>>
>> Sorry, this assertion, "cannot reliably locate the White House"
>> sounds like more bizarre right wing thinking, but Google is
>> failing me. Care to explain?
>
> < http://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/06/16/Soviet-girl-to-US-Pos t-Office-Cant-
> anybody-there-read-Russian/9954424584000/>
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> However in fairness at the time I became aware of it, on a TV news show,
> nobody mentioned that it was in Cyrillic, so perhaps the Post Office is not
> _quite_ so inept. However they do not inspire confidence.
Wow, a big teetering pile of wrongness.
As you pointed out, some post office, (which is NOT the government)
lacked someone that could read Cyrillic. It's not even
close to showing any kind of government ineptitude, yet, this is
cited as your sole support for the idea that government can't
help the medical system.
I've dealt with big private insurers all my life, here in the
perfect USA. Any assertion that the government would be worse
is not credible. If we ever had universal payor, the government
would pass the actual administration over to private contractors
and they'd be about the same as the private companies.
I see the Repubs completely without a medical plan.
Yet, they've been claiming they have fixes that will help:
1. Tort reform.
2. Insurance regulation at the federal level.
The republicans could institute both changes without
much resistance from anyone. Yet, they aren't interested
in fixing the system, if the changes don't replace some part
of Obamacare they have no interest. They're not even interested
in fixing the system. If they can't give people making over
450K a tax break, there is nothing in it for them.
Actually, I have to agree somewhat with your original assertion.
The government, run by Republicans, is completely unable to
govern, let alone run a medical system. So, I agree a bit,
but it has nothing to do with the post office not employing
people that read Russian.
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Dan Espen
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341788 is a reply to message #340209] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 15:05 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <od0amd$2vj$1@dont-email.me>, dave.garland@wizinfo.com says...
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> On 4/16/2017 12:07 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <od053r$g8l$1@dont-email.me>, dave.garland@wizinfo.com says...
>>>
>>> On 4/16/2017 8:42 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>>> Dave Garland wrote:
>>>> > On 4/14/2017 11:14 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> >> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >>> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> [17 lines snipped]
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> >>>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> >>>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> >>>> to state...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>>>> >> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I think the Japanese use different systems (there is an entire
>>>> > Wikipedia article devoted to Japanese address systems). My impression
>>>> > (from the return addresses on packages I receive) is that the Chinese
>>>> > don't. And the US certainly used to put zone between city and state.
>>>> > I'm not even sure that every country even has the equivalent of states.
>>>>
>>>> Right. That's why discussions about centralized social benefits such
>>>> as medical insurance don't accomplish anything. The states in the US
>>>> are equivalent to countries in the EU.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Eh, I'll believe that when each state has its own language, army, and
>>> electoral system (and perhaps if you're a citizen of Michigan you
>>> can't vote in Massachusetts),
>>
>> Each state does have its own army, each state does have its own electoral
>> system, and if you are citizen of Michigan you _cannot_ vote in
>> Massachussetts unless you want to give up your right to vote in Michigan.
>>
>>> and the US as a whole doesn't.
>
> Odd place to insert your comment, you apparently didn't read the rest
> of the sentence. Each state has a rinky-dink armed force, which is
> subject to command by both state and US officials (if you're in the
> Michigan National Guard you can get sent to Afghanistan even if the
> State of Michigan doesn't have any beef with Afghanistan). To my
> knowledge, no state's national guard possesses nuclear weapons or
> aircraft carriers.
>
> If you are no longer a resident of Michigan, you're no longer a
> citizen there, you "gave up your right to vote" automatically when you
> started living somewhere else. But if you're a German citizen living
> in Italy, that doesn't make you Italian.
>
> I'm not saying your model is a bad one. The world might be a better
> place (or not) if the US was 50 separate countries, and if Michigan
> had a beef with Afghanistan, it would be up to them to do something
> about it, at their sole expense. But that's not how it is, I have to
> pay for aircraft carriers even though I live in a landlocked state.
This is not about whether it's "good" or "bad", it is about the effect of
that organization on efforts to provide social services.
Regardless of your _opinion_ of it, it is a fact and one that those who
would make sweeping changes in the way things work in the US have to figure
out how to deal with.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341789 is a reply to message #341784] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 15:23 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <od0d3s$6dl$1@dont-email.me>, despen@verizon.net says...
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> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
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>> In article <ocvv57$pkv$1@dont-email.me>, despen@verizon.net says...
>>>
>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> The issue at hand is not whether there is a problem with the medical
>>>> system, the issue whether the government, which cannot reliably locate the
>>>> White House, is going to improve the situation by becoming involved.
>>>
>>> The government can't even...therefore chaos.
>>>
>>> Sorry, this assertion, "cannot reliably locate the White House"
>>> sounds like more bizarre right wing thinking, but Google is
>>> failing me. Care to explain?
>>
>> < http://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/06/16/Soviet-girl-to-US-Pos t-Office-Cant-
>> anybody-there-read-Russian/9954424584000/>
>>
>> However in fairness at the time I became aware of it, on a TV news show,
>> nobody mentioned that it was in Cyrillic, so perhaps the Post Office is not
>> _quite_ so inept. However they do not inspire confidence.
>
> Wow, a big teetering pile of wrongness.
>
> As you pointed out, some post office, (which is NOT the government)
> lacked someone that could read Cyrillic. It's not even
> close to showing any kind of government ineptitude, yet, this is
> cited as your sole support for the idea that government can't
> help the medical system.
>
> I've dealt with big private insurers all my life, here in the
> perfect USA. Any assertion that the government would be worse
> is not credible. If we ever had universal payor, the government
> would pass the actual administration over to private contractors
> and they'd be about the same as the private companies.
>
> I see the Repubs completely without a medical plan.
> Yet, they've been claiming they have fixes that will help:
>
> 1. Tort reform.
> 2. Insurance regulation at the federal level.
>
> The republicans could institute both changes without
> much resistance from anyone. Yet, they aren't interested
> in fixing the system, if the changes don't replace some part
> of Obamacare they have no interest. They're not even interested
> in fixing the system. If they can't give people making over
> 450K a tax break, there is nothing in it for them.
>
> Actually, I have to agree somewhat with your original assertion.
> The government, run by Republicans, is completely unable to
> govern, let alone run a medical system. So, I agree a bit,
> but it has nothing to do with the post office not employing
> people that read Russian.
First, lighten up and get over yourself. I'm not attempting to write a
doctoral thesis here, I'm having a conversation.
Second, you need to get over the notion that anybody who is against the
government getting involved with medicine believes that the current system
is working well--the choices are not "the current system or the
government". If you want to be creative and do something useful think up a
third option.
Third, you said it yourself. "The government, run by Republicans, is
completely unable to govern, let alone run a medical system." Roughly half
the time the government is run by Republicans, who try to fix what they
believe to be messes left by the Democrats, and even if they weren't messes
to begin with they are after the Republicans get done with them. Then the
Democrats get power again and they do the same thing and the result is an
accumulation of messes and few actual fixes.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341790 is a reply to message #341782] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 16:29 |
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Originally posted by: JimP.
On 16 Apr 2017 17:23:40 GMT, Bill Findlay
<findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk > wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> Dave Garland wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2017 11:14 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> > On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > [17 lines snipped]
>>>> >
>>>> >> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> >> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> >> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> >> to state...
>>>> >
>>>> > I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>>>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think the Japanese use different systems (there is an entire
>>> Wikipedia article devoted to Japanese address systems). My impression
>>> (from the return addresses on packages I receive) is that the Chinese
>>> don't. And the US certainly used to put zone between city and state.
>>> I'm not even sure that every country even has the equivalent of states.
>>
>> Right. That's why discussions about centralized social benefits such
>> as medical insurance don't accomplish anything. The states in the US
>> are equivalent to countries in the EU.
>
> Which US states have their own army, navy, air force, foreign treaties, and
> a seat in the UN?
Except for the last two items, all 50 of them.
--
Jim
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341794 is a reply to message #341736] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 18:17 |
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In article <slrnof6e0r.199.mausg@smaus.org>, <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2017-04-16, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2017-04-16, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> Morten Reistad wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > In Europe, only Germany,Austria, Switzerland and the UK have states.
>>>>
>>>> The UK does not have states it has counties.
>>>
>>> And they are no longer officially part of a postal address.
>>
>> Nonetheless, people use them.
>>
>> And what's more, there are "postal" and "traditional" counties. And people
>> use those, too.
>>
>>
> Somerset... Monmouth
>
>
> --
> greymaus.ireland.ie
> Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man
If I was playing Jeopardy...
"What are counties in New Jersey, Alex"
Somerset County exists in other US States as well.
Bill
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341798 is a reply to message #341778] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 20:15 |
Andrew Swallow
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On 16/04/2017 17:41, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <JcmdnTr7A4wc6G7FnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
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>> On 16/04/2017 14:12, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article <RKqdnT40sM-w8W7FnZ2dnUU78bXNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 16/04/2017 13:24, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> > In article <AZWdnSr5cbZQym7FnZ2dnUU78KfNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> > am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 16/04/2017 11:27, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> That's what we laughingly call a "postal service" for you, and that's why
>>>> >>> Americans are so resistant to government-provided medicine--they can't even
>>>> >>> deliver the mail reliably and yet we're supposed to trust them to do
>>>> >>> something _complicated_? The US government simply is no damned good at
>>>> >>> social services of any kind.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The government is an adequate tax collector. Let it collect the payments
>>>> >> and forward the money to a health payments company. The company pays the
>>>> >> doctors, pharmacists and hospitals. Each state has 4 or 5 payments
>>>> >> companies. A person can choose which payments organisation he/she wishes
>>>> >> to join.
>>>> >
>>>> > Do me a favor. Get come to the US, get a work permit, volunteer your
>>>> > services at a US social services agency for a year. See how it _really_
>>>> > works. Once you've done that you'll see quite a lot wrong with that idea.
>>>> > And until you have you won't accept anything that anybody tells you because
>>>> > if you haven't lived it it's unbelievable.
>>>> >
>>>> > I worked in a little branch office for a year--two full time staff, several
>>>> > part timers. There were four different government agencies and a private
>>>> > company overseeing them, and they had to report to all of them. So they'd
>>>> > spend five minutes helping somebody and then another 15 minutes filing
>>>> > reports on the help they provided, all of which had to be keyed into two
>>>> > separate databases (and don't talk about fixing that with technology--
>>>> > nobody has a budget for it if the various agencies involved can even agree
>>>> > on who is going to do it). And all so the several government agencies
>>>> > could be sure that they weren't wasting those agencies' money.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> People on welfare cannot change their provider. People paying for a
>>>> health service can. Assuming the health payments companies get a fee per
>>>> patient should all their patients leave then they will lose their income
>>>> and go bankrupt.
>>>>
>>>> I also assume that the US social services agencies you complained about
>>>> are not allowed to go bankrupt.
>>>
>>> Read every word of what I wrote. If all you are going to do is read a
>>> couple of lines and jerk your knee there's no point to this.
>>>
>>
>> I reread it all. Take your own advice.
>
> On the basis of that rereading, critique this sentence: "I also assume
> that the US social services agencies you complained about are not allowed
> to go bankrupt."
>
I have never heard of a government agency in a Western country going
bankrupt but commercial firms do it all the time.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341799 is a reply to message #341782] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 20:18 |
Andrew Swallow
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On 16/04/2017 18:23, Bill Findlay wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> Dave Garland wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2017 11:14 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> > On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > [17 lines snipped]
>>>> >
>>>> >> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> >> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> >> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> >> to state...
>>>> >
>>>> > I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>>>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think the Japanese use different systems (there is an entire
>>> Wikipedia article devoted to Japanese address systems). My impression
>>> (from the return addresses on packages I receive) is that the Chinese
>>> don't. And the US certainly used to put zone between city and state.
>>> I'm not even sure that every country even has the equivalent of states.
>>
>> Right. That's why discussions about centralized social benefits such
>> as medical insurance don't accomplish anything. The states in the US
>> are equivalent to countries in the EU.
>
> Which US states have their own army, navy, air force, foreign treaties, and
> a seat in the UN?
>
The militia is an army. Many states have a militia.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341809 is a reply to message #341702] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 22:37 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 18:08:55 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 10:42:37 +0200
> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>
>> There is some progress towards the uniform, global address.
>>
>> By 2020 every household in Scandinavia will have a proper street
>> address, like
>>
>> Donald Duck
>> Quack road 13 Street and number
>> 1313 Ducksburg postcode and postal office name
>> United Duck Republic country
>
> While in UK style that would be more like:
>
> Donald Duck
> 13 Quack Road
> Ducksburg
> DB1 3QQ
> United Duck Republic
Canada:
Donald Duck
13 Quack Road
Ducksburg, PT V2C 6N7
Canada
Notes:
"PT" is a placeholder for the province/territory. Canada has
two-character abbreviations for our provinces and territories. These
are all distinct from the U.S.A. state/territory abbreviations. Mail
between the two countries often does not specify the country.
Interestingly, when Nunavut was split off from the Northwest
Territories, the abbreviation did not change; it is "NT" for both.
The Postal Code goes on the same line as the community and
province/territory. This is a documented change from when the Postal
Code system was started when it belonged on its own line.
I used my home Postal Code as Ds and Qs do not occur in Canadian
Postal Codes. (Neither do Fs, Is, Os, Us at all or Ws and Zs for the
first character.)
If Donald has a suite number (e.g. 313), it would generally be
written like
313 13 Quack Road
in the West and in the East as
13 Quack Road, #313
North Foot of Main Street
and
South Foot of Main Street
are both valid street addresses in Vancouver, BC.
[snip]
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341810 is a reply to message #341744] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 22:39 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 12:00:30 +0100, "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1>
wrote:
[snip]
> I once had half an idea to implement this kind (Next Thursday) of date
> entry, but deadlines got in the way.
On a Tuesday, what would "next Thursday" refer to? I would
consider it two days hence, but apparently, some would think of it as
the Thursday in the following week (nine days hence).
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341811 is a reply to message #341694] |
Sun, 16 April 2017 22:42 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 09:16:27 -0500, Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
wrote:
> On 4/15/2017 4:18 AM, Huge wrote:
[snip]
>> According to her, her address is;
>>
>> {Apartment Building Name}
>> {Apartment Number}
>> {Building Street Number}
>> {Town}
>> {State}
>> {ZIP}
>>
>> IMNHO, the first two lines are the wrong way round.
> I don't think there is any actual information content in the Apartment
> Building Name. But it is probably a deeply embedded custom for many
> people. Perhaps a bit of prestige, depending on the actual name.
Do not bet on it. It is available data, and it is likely that
somewhere, someone has made it matter.
Imagine an apartment building complex with four buildings. Each
building is named, and each has its own set of apartment numbers which
overlap.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341816 is a reply to message #341759] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 00:46 |
Peter Flass
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J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <elh6npFibuiU5@mid.individual.net>, Huge@nowhere.much.invalid
> says...
>>
>> On 2017-04-16, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In article <AZWdnSr5cbZQym7FnZ2dnUU78KfNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 16/04/2017 11:27, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > That's what we laughingly call a "postal service" for you, and that's why
>>>> > Americans are so resistant to government-provided medicine--they can't even
>>>> > deliver the mail reliably and yet we're supposed to trust them to do
>>>> > something _complicated_? The US government simply is no damned good at
>>>> > social services of any kind.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> The government is an adequate tax collector. Let it collect the payments
>>>> and forward the money to a health payments company. The company pays the
>>>> doctors, pharmacists and hospitals. Each state has 4 or 5 payments
>>>> companies. A person can choose which payments organisation he/she wishes
>>>> to join.
>>>
>>> Do me a favor.
>>
>> You could do us a favour by looking at some actual statistics, where you
>> will see that the USA gets extremely poor VfM from its medical "system"
>> (I quote that word because it isn't actually a "system") and what's
>> worse, doesn't get very good medical outcomes.
>
> So?
>
> The issue at hand is not whether there is a problem with the medical
> system, the issue whether the government, which cannot reliably locate the
> White House, is going to improve the situation by becoming involved.
>
> If it's broke, don't break it worse.
>
>> Combine that with the
>> grotesque outrage of large numbers of uninsured people and the fact it
>> spends more public dollars on health care anyway than all but two of
>> the other developed First World countries and I suggest you climb down
>> off your high horse.
>
> I suggest you also work in US social services for a while and see what
> government efforts to help people actually look like.
>
Not so much in the medical field, but this is why private charities usually
do so much better than the government. Not much paperwork and usually low
overhead.
As for the medical problems, a recent experience has convinced me that the
problem is not insurance or lack of it, but rather ridiculously inflated
costs. Fifteen minutes of a doctor's time in which he did a cursory exam
cost $500 - that's $2000 per hour. $200 per hour is a more reasonable rate,
so it's off by a factor of ten. Personally I'd double or triple the number
of spots in medical school to increase competition and bring down costs. We
should also greatly increase funding for walk-in clinics and such.
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Mon, 17 April 2017 00:46 |
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Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 16/04/2017 17:41, J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <JcmdnTr7A4wc6G7FnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>
>>> On 16/04/2017 14:12, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> In article <RKqdnT40sM-w8W7FnZ2dnUU78bXNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >
>>>> > On 16/04/2017 13:24, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >> In article <AZWdnSr5cbZQym7FnZ2dnUU78KfNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> >> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 16/04/2017 11:27, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> That's what we laughingly call a "postal service" for you, and that's why
>>>> >>>> Americans are so resistant to government-provided medicine--they can't even
>>>> >>>> deliver the mail reliably and yet we're supposed to trust them to do
>>>> >>>> something _complicated_? The US government simply is no damned good at
>>>> >>>> social services of any kind.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The government is an adequate tax collector. Let it collect the payments
>>>> >>> and forward the money to a health payments company. The company pays the
>>>> >>> doctors, pharmacists and hospitals. Each state has 4 or 5 payments
>>>> >>> companies. A person can choose which payments organisation he/she wishes
>>>> >>> to join.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Do me a favor. Get come to the US, get a work permit, volunteer your
>>>> >> services at a US social services agency for a year. See how it _really_
>>>> >> works. Once you've done that you'll see quite a lot wrong with that idea.
>>>> >> And until you have you won't accept anything that anybody tells you because
>>>> >> if you haven't lived it it's unbelievable.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I worked in a little branch office for a year--two full time staff, several
>>>> >> part timers. There were four different government agencies and a private
>>>> >> company overseeing them, and they had to report to all of them. So they'd
>>>> >> spend five minutes helping somebody and then another 15 minutes filing
>>>> >> reports on the help they provided, all of which had to be keyed into two
>>>> >> separate databases (and don't talk about fixing that with technology--
>>>> >> nobody has a budget for it if the various agencies involved can even agree
>>>> >> on who is going to do it). And all so the several government agencies
>>>> >> could be sure that they weren't wasting those agencies' money.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > People on welfare cannot change their provider. People paying for a
>>>> > health service can. Assuming the health payments companies get a fee per
>>>> > patient should all their patients leave then they will lose their income
>>>> > and go bankrupt.
>>>> >
>>>> > I also assume that the US social services agencies you complained about
>>>> > are not allowed to go bankrupt.
>>>>
>>>> Read every word of what I wrote. If all you are going to do is read a
>>>> couple of lines and jerk your knee there's no point to this.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I reread it all. Take your own advice.
>>
>> On the basis of that rereading, critique this sentence: "I also assume
>> that the US social services agencies you complained about are not allowed
>> to go bankrupt."
>>
>
> I have never heard of a government agency in a Western country going
> bankrupt but commercial firms do it all the time.
>
A couple of cities. I forget if Detroit counts as a bankruptcy.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341818 is a reply to message #341782] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 00:46 |
Peter Flass
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Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> Dave Garland wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2017 11:14 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> > On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > [17 lines snipped]
>>>> >
>>>> >> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> >> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> >> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> >> to state...
>>>> >
>>>> > I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>>>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think the Japanese use different systems (there is an entire
>>> Wikipedia article devoted to Japanese address systems). My impression
>>> (from the return addresses on packages I receive) is that the Chinese
>>> don't. And the US certainly used to put zone between city and state.
>>> I'm not even sure that every country even has the equivalent of states.
>>
>> Right. That's why discussions about centralized social benefits such
>> as medical insurance don't accomplish anything. The states in the US
>> are equivalent to countries in the EU.
>
> Which US states have their own army, navy, air force, foreign treaties, and
> a seat in the UN?
>
National Guard units are state forces unless nationalized in an emergency.
Therefore you could day that states have at least an army and an airforce,
I don't think there are naval guard units.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341819 is a reply to message #340209] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 00:46 |
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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-04-16, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Apr 2017 17:23:40 GMT, Bill Findlay
>> <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk > wrote:
>>
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> Dave Garland wrote:
>>>> > On 4/14/2017 11:14 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> >> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >>> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> [17 lines snipped]
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> >>>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> >>>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> >>>> to state...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>>>> >> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I think the Japanese use different systems (there is an entire
>>>> > Wikipedia article devoted to Japanese address systems). My impression
>>>> > (from the return addresses on packages I receive) is that the Chinese
>>>> > don't. And the US certainly used to put zone between city and state.
>>>> > I'm not even sure that every country even has the equivalent of states.
>>>>
>>>> Right. That's why discussions about centralized social benefits such
>>>> as medical insurance don't accomplish anything. The states in the US
>>>> are equivalent to countries in the EU.
>>>
>>> Which US states have their own army, navy, air force, foreign treaties, and
>>> a seat in the UN?
>>
>> Except for the last two items, all 50 of them.
>
> Then they aren't countries.
>
>
A lot of countries aren't in the UN. Many states have overseas offices,
unofficial embassies. New York City has undercover NYPD officers overseas.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341820 is a reply to message #340209] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 00:46 |
Peter Flass
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Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 4/16/2017 4:22 PM, Huge wrote:
>> On 2017-04-16, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 16 Apr 2017 17:23:40 GMT, Bill Findlay
>
>
>>>>
>>>> Which US states have their own army, navy, air force, foreign treaties, and
>>>> a seat in the UN?
>>>
>>> Except for the last two items, all 50 of them.
>>
>> Then they aren't countries.
>>
> Their armies, navies, and air forces are equipped with hand-me-down
> gear from the "real" national armed forces.
So is much of NATO and various other countries.
They are essentially
> reserve troops for the federal government. And aren't allowed to
> engage in intergovernmental hostilities (not even with other states,
> much less with real foreign countries) without the assent of the
> federal government. Which only happens when the feds needs more bodies
> to fight against foreigners somewhere else, though they have been used
> to attack strikers and others viewed as undesirables by the power
> structure.
>
> The states do have political powers in some realms far greater than
> comparable political units in many other countries, but to represent
> them as having primacy is sheer fantasy. Perhaps things were different
> in 1790, but if so, reality has moved on.
>
>
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341821 is a reply to message #341798] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 00:56 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <AoSdnfXXreOjlGnFnZ2dnUU78IWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>
> On 16/04/2017 17:41, J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <JcmdnTr7A4wc6G7FnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>
>>> On 16/04/2017 14:12, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> In article <RKqdnT40sM-w8W7FnZ2dnUU78bXNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >
>>>> > On 16/04/2017 13:24, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >> In article <AZWdnSr5cbZQym7FnZ2dnUU78KfNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> >> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 16/04/2017 11:27, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> That's what we laughingly call a "postal service" for you, and that's why
>>>> >>>> Americans are so resistant to government-provided medicine--they can't even
>>>> >>>> deliver the mail reliably and yet we're supposed to trust them to do
>>>> >>>> something _complicated_? The US government simply is no damned good at
>>>> >>>> social services of any kind.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The government is an adequate tax collector. Let it collect the payments
>>>> >>> and forward the money to a health payments company. The company pays the
>>>> >>> doctors, pharmacists and hospitals. Each state has 4 or 5 payments
>>>> >>> companies. A person can choose which payments organisation he/she wishes
>>>> >>> to join.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Do me a favor. Get come to the US, get a work permit, volunteer your
>>>> >> services at a US social services agency for a year. See how it _really_
>>>> >> works. Once you've done that you'll see quite a lot wrong with that idea.
>>>> >> And until you have you won't accept anything that anybody tells you because
>>>> >> if you haven't lived it it's unbelievable.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I worked in a little branch office for a year--two full time staff, several
>>>> >> part timers. There were four different government agencies and a private
>>>> >> company overseeing them, and they had to report to all of them. So they'd
>>>> >> spend five minutes helping somebody and then another 15 minutes filing
>>>> >> reports on the help they provided, all of which had to be keyed into two
>>>> >> separate databases (and don't talk about fixing that with technology--
>>>> >> nobody has a budget for it if the various agencies involved can even agree
>>>> >> on who is going to do it). And all so the several government agencies
>>>> >> could be sure that they weren't wasting those agencies' money.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > People on welfare cannot change their provider. People paying for a
>>>> > health service can. Assuming the health payments companies get a fee per
>>>> > patient should all their patients leave then they will lose their income
>>>> > and go bankrupt.
>>>> >
>>>> > I also assume that the US social services agencies you complained about
>>>> > are not allowed to go bankrupt.
>>>>
>>>> Read every word of what I wrote. If all you are going to do is read a
>>>> couple of lines and jerk your knee there's no point to this.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I reread it all. Take your own advice.
>>
>> On the basis of that rereading, critique this sentence: "I also assume
>> that the US social services agencies you complained about are not allowed
>> to go bankrupt."
>>
>
> I have never heard of a government agency in a Western country going
> bankrupt but commercial firms do it all the time.
Keep rereading and eventually you will see what you keep missing.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341822 is a reply to message #341816] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 01:20 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <196274263.514095693.529172.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-
september.org>, peter_flass@yahoo.com says...
>
> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <elh6npFibuiU5@mid.individual.net>, Huge@nowhere.much.invalid
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 2017-04-16, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <AZWdnSr5cbZQym7FnZ2dnUU78KfNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >
>>>> > On 16/04/2017 11:27, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That's what we laughingly call a "postal service" for you, and that's why
>>>> >> Americans are so resistant to government-provided medicine--they can't even
>>>> >> deliver the mail reliably and yet we're supposed to trust them to do
>>>> >> something _complicated_? The US government simply is no damned good at
>>>> >> social services of any kind.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > The government is an adequate tax collector. Let it collect the payments
>>>> > and forward the money to a health payments company. The company pays the
>>>> > doctors, pharmacists and hospitals. Each state has 4 or 5 payments
>>>> > companies. A person can choose which payments organisation he/she wishes
>>>> > to join.
>>>>
>>>> Do me a favor.
>>>
>>> You could do us a favour by looking at some actual statistics, where you
>>> will see that the USA gets extremely poor VfM from its medical "system"
>>> (I quote that word because it isn't actually a "system") and what's
>>> worse, doesn't get very good medical outcomes.
>>
>> So?
>>
>> The issue at hand is not whether there is a problem with the medical
>> system, the issue whether the government, which cannot reliably locate the
>> White House, is going to improve the situation by becoming involved.
>>
>> If it's broke, don't break it worse.
>>
>>> Combine that with the
>>> grotesque outrage of large numbers of uninsured people and the fact it
>>> spends more public dollars on health care anyway than all but two of
>>> the other developed First World countries and I suggest you climb down
>>> off your high horse.
>>
>> I suggest you also work in US social services for a while and see what
>> government efforts to help people actually look like.
>>
>
> Not so much in the medical field, but this is why private charities usually
> do so much better than the government. Not much paperwork and usually low
> overhead.
>
> As for the medical problems, a recent experience has convinced me that the
> problem is not insurance or lack of it, but rather ridiculously inflated
> costs. Fifteen minutes of a doctor's time in which he did a cursory exam
> cost $500 - that's $2000 per hour. $200 per hour is a more reasonable rate,
> so it's off by a factor of ten. Personally I'd double or triple the number
> of spots in medical school to increase competition and bring down costs. We
> should also greatly increase funding for walk-in clinics and such.
There is some kind of problem with walk-in clinics that I don't understand.
I went in with a bad cold and ended up paying something like 750 bucks,
most of which was for the privilege of using the walk-in clinic. I can
understand such fees for an emergency room where they have to recover the
costs of treating the indigent--maybe that law applies to the walk-in
clinics as well. My regular physician charges a good bit less than that.
I'm not sure more doctors is the solution--most of the costs seem to go
somewhere other than the doctor's pocket.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341824 is a reply to message #341818] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 01:32 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <1494644115.514096586.675476.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-
september.org>, peter_flass@yahoo.com says...
>
> Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Dave Garland wrote:
>>>> On 4/14/2017 11:14 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> > Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [17 lines snipped]
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> >>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> >>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> >>> to state...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>>>> > type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I think the Japanese use different systems (there is an entire
>>>> Wikipedia article devoted to Japanese address systems). My impression
>>>> (from the return addresses on packages I receive) is that the Chinese
>>>> don't. And the US certainly used to put zone between city and state.
>>>> I'm not even sure that every country even has the equivalent of states.
>>>
>>> Right. That's why discussions about centralized social benefits such
>>> as medical insurance don't accomplish anything. The states in the US
>>> are equivalent to countries in the EU.
>>
>> Which US states have their own army, navy, air force, foreign treaties, and
>> a seat in the UN?
>>
>
> National Guard units are state forces unless nationalized in an emergency.
> Therefore you could day that states have at least an army and an airforce,
> I don't think there are naval guard units.
According to wiki 5 states have active naval militias.
Also the long term deployment of the National Guard has induced some states
to develop military forces that are not subject to Federal call-up. One
example would be the California State Military Reserve.
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Mon, 17 April 2017 02:16 |
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:39:36 -0700
Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 12:00:30 +0100, "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> I once had half an idea to implement this kind (Next Thursday) of date
>> entry, but deadlines got in the way.
>
> On a Tuesday, what would "next Thursday" refer to? I would
> consider it two days hence, but apparently, some would think of it as
Yep.
> the Thursday in the following week (nine days hence).
That's "a week Thursday".
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341827 is a reply to message #341822] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 02:29 |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 01:20:04 -0400
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is some kind of problem with walk-in clinics that I don't
> understand. I went in with a bad cold and ended up paying something like
> 750 bucks, most of which was for the privilege of using the walk-in
> clinic.
That is crazy!
> I can understand such fees for an emergency room where they have
> to recover the costs of treating the indigent--maybe that law applies to
> the walk-in clinics as well.
But here the cost of using A&E is 100 Euro unless you have a
referral or a medical card (you may pick up extra charges for a scan or
for admission but otherwise that's it). Using the out-of-hours doctor
usually costs 50 Euro per visit so visiting one to get a referral saves 50
Euro.
A private visit to one of the leading neurosurgeons in the country
was 280 Euro, but that covers not only the visit but the time spent
examining CAT scans and MRIs as well as the visit, an MRI recently cost 140
Euro (half of which was recoverable from insurance - we chose not to wait
for a slot at a clinic that was fully covered and billed direct).
> My regular physician charges a good bit
> less than that.
A visit to the GP is likely to cost 30 Euro (40 if a prescription
is issued) - again unless you have a medical card in which case it is free
(paid for by the government).
> I'm not sure more doctors is the solution--most of the costs seem to go
> somewhere other than the doctor's pocket.
Either that or a medical degree is a *great* investment.
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Mon, 17 April 2017 04:37 |
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On 2017-04-17, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 16/04/2017 17:41, J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <JcmdnTr7A4wc6G7FnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>
>> On the basis of that rereading, critique this sentence: "I also assume
>> that the US social services agencies you complained about are not allowed
>> to go bankrupt."
>>
>
> I have never heard of a government agency in a Western country going
> bankrupt but commercial firms do it all the time.
What has happened in Ireland and Greece is worse than bankruptcy,
after bankruptcy, in a few years you aare free again. Ireland is
involved in a 45year deal to pay off debts.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341830 is a reply to message #341809] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 04:38 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:37:00 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> Canada:
>
> Donald Duck 13 Quack Road Ducksburg, PT V2C 6N7 Canada
Yes, quite similar to the UK (I noticed this when corresponding with
relatives; my grandfather came from near Toronto).
In the UK, in theory it is sufficient to put number and postcode (though
probably a bad idea), so:
45 CT6 1AA
would be enough!
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Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
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Mon, 17 April 2017 04:48 |
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On 2017-04-16, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2017 17:23:40 GMT, Bill Findlay
> <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk > wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Right. That's why discussions about centralized social benefits such
>>> as medical insurance don't accomplish anything. The states in the US
>>> are equivalent to countries in the EU.
>>
>> Which US states have their own army, navy, air force, foreign treaties, and
>> a seat in the UN?
>
> Except for the last two items, all 50 of them.
In the negotiations to set up the UN, from what I remember, Ukraine,
Byelorussia were entered as independent countries (The three Baltics
, that should have been independent, were not.) There was a proposal
that Karelia would be, which would have made a second Finnish speaking
country.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341834 is a reply to message #341830] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 06:13 |
Andrew Swallow
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On 17/04/2017 09:38, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:37:00 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>
>> Canada:
>>
>> Donald Duck 13 Quack Road Ducksburg, PT V2C 6N7 Canada
>
> Yes, quite similar to the UK (I noticed this when corresponding with
> relatives; my grandfather came from near Toronto).
>
> In the UK, in theory it is sufficient to put number and postcode (though
> probably a bad idea), so:
>
> 45 CT6 1AA
>
> would be enough!
>
If the letter goes through the mechanised sorting system the post code
will get it to the delivery postman. However he may not know which
street 1AA is.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341835 is a reply to message #340209] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 06:18 |
Andrew Swallow
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On 17/04/2017 04:28, Dave Garland wrote:
> On 4/16/2017 7:15 PM, Andrew Swallow wrote:
>> On 16/04/2017 17:41, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article <JcmdnTr7A4wc6G7FnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 16/04/2017 14:12, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> > In article <RKqdnT40sM-w8W7FnZ2dnUU78bXNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> > am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 16/04/2017 13:24, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>> In article <AZWdnSr5cbZQym7FnZ2dnUU78KfNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> >>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 16/04/2017 11:27, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> That's what we laughingly call a "postal service" for you, and
>>>> >>>>> that's why
>>>> >>>>> Americans are so resistant to government-provided
>>>> >>>>> medicine--they can't even
>>>> >>>>> deliver the mail reliably and yet we're supposed to trust them
>>>> >>>>> to do
>>>> >>>>> something _complicated_? The US government simply is no damned
>>>> >>>>> good at
>>>> >>>>> social services of any kind.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> The government is an adequate tax collector. Let it collect the
>>>> >>>> payments
>>>> >>>> and forward the money to a health payments company. The company
>>>> >>>> pays the
>>>> >>>> doctors, pharmacists and hospitals. Each state has 4 or 5 payments
>>>> >>>> companies. A person can choose which payments organisation
>>>> >>>> he/she wishes
>>>> >>>> to join.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Do me a favor. Get come to the US, get a work permit, volunteer
>>>> >>> your
>>>> >>> services at a US social services agency for a year. See how it
>>>> >>> _really_
>>>> >>> works. Once you've done that you'll see quite a lot wrong with
>>>> >>> that idea.
>>>> >>> And until you have you won't accept anything that anybody tells
>>>> >>> you because
>>>> >>> if you haven't lived it it's unbelievable.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I worked in a little branch office for a year--two full time
>>>> >>> staff, several
>>>> >>> part timers. There were four different government agencies and a
>>>> >>> private
>>>> >>> company overseeing them, and they had to report to all of them.
>>>> >>> So they'd
>>>> >>> spend five minutes helping somebody and then another 15 minutes
>>>> >>> filing
>>>> >>> reports on the help they provided, all of which had to be keyed
>>>> >>> into two
>>>> >>> separate databases (and don't talk about fixing that with
>>>> >>> technology--
>>>> >>> nobody has a budget for it if the various agencies involved can
>>>> >>> even agree
>>>> >>> on who is going to do it). And all so the several government
>>>> >>> agencies
>>>> >>> could be sure that they weren't wasting those agencies' money.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> People on welfare cannot change their provider. People paying for a
>>>> >> health service can. Assuming the health payments companies get a
>>>> >> fee per
>>>> >> patient should all their patients leave then they will lose their
>>>> >> income
>>>> >> and go bankrupt.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I also assume that the US social services agencies you complained
>>>> >> about
>>>> >> are not allowed to go bankrupt.
>>>> >
>>>> > Read every word of what I wrote. If all you are going to do is read a
>>>> > couple of lines and jerk your knee there's no point to this.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I reread it all. Take your own advice.
>>>
>>> On the basis of that rereading, critique this sentence: "I also assume
>>> that the US social services agencies you complained about are not
>>> allowed
>>> to go bankrupt."
>>>
>>
>> I have never heard of a government agency in a Western country going
>> bankrupt but commercial firms do it all the time.
>
> Agency? Maybe you're not thinking big enough. I dunno about other
> Western countries, but here are a few in the US:
> Orange County, CA
> Detroit, MI
> Hillview KY
> San Bernadino CA
> Mammoth Lakes CA
> Stockton CA
> Jefferson County AL
> Harrisburg PA
> Central Falls RI
> Boise County ID
>
> Puerto Rico is not far behind.
>
Countries and counties go bankrupt. Like families they have to match
their spending to their income. A mismatch can be hidden for a few years
by borrowing but eventually the banks say no more.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341836 is a reply to message #341822] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 06:24 |
Andrew Swallow
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On 17/04/2017 06:20, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <196274263.514095693.529172.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-
> september.org>, peter_flass@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In article <elh6npFibuiU5@mid.individual.net>, Huge@nowhere.much.invalid
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-04-16, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > In article <AZWdnSr5cbZQym7FnZ2dnUU78KfNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> > am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 16/04/2017 11:27, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> That's what we laughingly call a "postal service" for you, and that's why
>>>> >>> Americans are so resistant to government-provided medicine--they can't even
>>>> >>> deliver the mail reliably and yet we're supposed to trust them to do
>>>> >>> something _complicated_? The US government simply is no damned good at
>>>> >>> social services of any kind.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The government is an adequate tax collector. Let it collect the payments
>>>> >> and forward the money to a health payments company. The company pays the
>>>> >> doctors, pharmacists and hospitals. Each state has 4 or 5 payments
>>>> >> companies. A person can choose which payments organisation he/she wishes
>>>> >> to join.
>>>> >
>>>> > Do me a favor.
>>>>
>>>> You could do us a favour by looking at some actual statistics, where you
>>>> will see that the USA gets extremely poor VfM from its medical "system"
>>>> (I quote that word because it isn't actually a "system") and what's
>>>> worse, doesn't get very good medical outcomes.
>>>
>>> So?
>>>
>>> The issue at hand is not whether there is a problem with the medical
>>> system, the issue whether the government, which cannot reliably locate the
>>> White House, is going to improve the situation by becoming involved.
>>>
>>> If it's broke, don't break it worse.
>>>
>>>> Combine that with the
>>>> grotesque outrage of large numbers of uninsured people and the fact it
>>>> spends more public dollars on health care anyway than all but two of
>>>> the other developed First World countries and I suggest you climb down
>>>> off your high horse.
>>>
>>> I suggest you also work in US social services for a while and see what
>>> government efforts to help people actually look like.
>>>
>>
>> Not so much in the medical field, but this is why private charities usually
>> do so much better than the government. Not much paperwork and usually low
>> overhead.
>>
>> As for the medical problems, a recent experience has convinced me that the
>> problem is not insurance or lack of it, but rather ridiculously inflated
>> costs. Fifteen minutes of a doctor's time in which he did a cursory exam
>> cost $500 - that's $2000 per hour. $200 per hour is a more reasonable rate,
>> so it's off by a factor of ten. Personally I'd double or triple the number
>> of spots in medical school to increase competition and bring down costs. We
>> should also greatly increase funding for walk-in clinics and such.
>
> There is some kind of problem with walk-in clinics that I don't understand.
> I went in with a bad cold and ended up paying something like 750 bucks,
> most of which was for the privilege of using the walk-in clinic. I can
> understand such fees for an emergency room where they have to recover the
> costs of treating the indigent--maybe that law applies to the walk-in
> clinics as well. My regular physician charges a good bit less than that.
>
> I'm not sure more doctors is the solution--most of the costs seem to go
> somewhere other than the doctor's pocket.
>
As well as the doctor's time examining you the client has to pay for the
time filling in the bill to the insurance company, answering any
questions the insurance company asks plus the high cost of the company
processing the paperwork. Liability lawyers also manage to grab a chunk
of the money.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341837 is a reply to message #341829] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 06:30 |
Andrew Swallow
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On 17/04/2017 09:37, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2017-04-17, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 16/04/2017 17:41, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article <JcmdnTr7A4wc6G7FnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>>
>>> On the basis of that rereading, critique this sentence: "I also assume
>>> that the US social services agencies you complained about are not allowed
>>> to go bankrupt."
>>>
>>
>> I have never heard of a government agency in a Western country going
>> bankrupt but commercial firms do it all the time.
>
>
> What has happened in Ireland and Greece is worse than bankruptcy,
> after bankruptcy, in a few years you aare free again. Ireland is
> involved in a 45year deal to pay off debts.
>
Amateur. Britain is still paying for the US War of independence.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341839 is a reply to message #340209] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 06:33 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <eljfs0F1u8eU1@mid.individual.net>, Huge@nowhere.much.invalid
says...
>
> On 2017-04-17, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [42 lines snipped]
>
>>> I suggest you also work in US social services for a while and see what
>>> government efforts to help people actually look like.
>
> The idea that you have to be or do something in order to have an opinion
> on it is as deranged as the rest of your postings.
The idea that one should express an opinion when one has no knowledge on
which to base it is equally deranged.
>
>> Not so much in the medical field, but this is why private charities usually
>> do so much better than the government. Not much paperwork and usually low
>> overhead.
>>
>> As for the medical problems, a recent experience has convinced me that the
>> problem is not insurance or lack of it, but rather ridiculously inflated
>> costs. Fifteen minutes of a doctor's time in which he did a cursory exam
>> cost $500 - that's $2000 per hour. $200 per hour is a more reasonable rate,
>> so it's off by a factor of ten. Personally I'd double or triple the number
>> of spots in medical school to increase competition and bring down costs. We
>> should also greatly increase funding for walk-in clinics and such.
>
> The American medical "system" is corporatism; private enterprise protected
> from competition by the State. That's why it's so expensive.
??? How it is "protected from competition"? There are vast numbers of
independent physicians and several competing hospitals in most localities
in the US. The only area of medicine in which anything is "protected from
competition" is in newly developed prescription drugs and there the
protection only lasts for the duration of the patent.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341840 is a reply to message #340209] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 07:06 |
Andrew Swallow
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On 17/04/2017 11:35, Huge wrote:
> On 2017-04-17, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 17/04/2017 09:37, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-17, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On 16/04/2017 17:41, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> > In article <JcmdnTr7A4wc6G7FnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> > am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >>
>>>> > On the basis of that rereading, critique this sentence: "I also assume
>>>> > that the US social services agencies you complained about are not allowed
>>>> > to go bankrupt."
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I have never heard of a government agency in a Western country going
>>>> bankrupt but commercial firms do it all the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> What has happened in Ireland and Greece is worse than bankruptcy,
>>> after bankruptcy, in a few years you aare free again. Ireland is
>>> involved in a 45year deal to pay off debts.
>>>
>>
>> Amateur. Britain is still paying for the US War of independence.
>
> I doubt that. WW2 was only paid off recently, though.
>
You are right that war was finally paid for in 2015.
<http://www.dmo.gov.uk/index.aspx?page=Gilts/About_Gilts>
http://www.dmo.gov.uk/index.aspx?page=Gilts/About_Gilts
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341843 is a reply to message #340209] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 08:10 |
Morten Reistad
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In article <eljk2vF1u8eU9@mid.individual.net>,
Huge <usenet@huge.org.uk> wrote:
> On 2017-04-17, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 17/04/2017 09:37, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-17, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On 16/04/2017 17:41, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> > In article <JcmdnTr7A4wc6G7FnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> > am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >>
>>>> > On the basis of that rereading, critique this sentence: "I also assume
>>>> > that the US social services agencies you complained about are not allowed
>>>> > to go bankrupt."
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I have never heard of a government agency in a Western country going
>>>> bankrupt but commercial firms do it all the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> What has happened in Ireland and Greece is worse than bankruptcy,
>>> after bankruptcy, in a few years you aare free again. Ireland is
>>> involved in a 45year deal to pay off debts.
>>>
>>
>> Amateur. Britain is still paying for the US War of independence.
>
> I doubt that. WW2 was only paid off recently, though.
So was the cost of doing the battle with the Spanish Armada. OK, it
was a small perpetuity that was finally accepting a buyback, but
still.
There are still a few dozen ones from the Napoleonic Wars, but
they are quite small.
WW1 was paid down not long after WW2.
-- mrr
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341844 is a reply to message #340209] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 08:27 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On 17 Apr 2017 10:35:11 GMT
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-04-17, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 17/04/2017 09:37, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-17, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On 16/04/2017 17:41, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> > In article <JcmdnTr7A4wc6G7FnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> > am.swallow@btinternet.com says...
>>>> >>
>>>> > On the basis of that rereading, critique this sentence: "I also
>>>> > assume that the US social services agencies you complained about are
>>>> > not allowed to go bankrupt."
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I have never heard of a government agency in a Western country going
>>>> bankrupt but commercial firms do it all the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> What has happened in Ireland and Greece is worse than bankruptcy,
>>> after bankruptcy, in a few years you aare free again. Ireland is
>>> involved in a 45year deal to pay off debts.
>>>
>>
>> Amateur. Britain is still paying for the US War of independence.
>
> I doubt that. WW2 was only paid off recently, though.
Ah so they can repeal income tax then ?
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341846 is a reply to message #340209] |
Mon, 17 April 2017 09:15 |
jmfbahciv
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Dave Garland wrote:
> On 4/16/2017 8:42 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Dave Garland wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2017 11:14 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> > On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > [17 lines snipped]
>>>> >
>>>> >> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> >> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> >> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> >> to state...
>>>> >
>>>> > I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>>>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think the Japanese use different systems (there is an entire
>>> Wikipedia article devoted to Japanese address systems). My impression
>>> (from the return addresses on packages I receive) is that the Chinese
>>> don't. And the US certainly used to put zone between city and state.
>>> I'm not even sure that every country even has the equivalent of states.
>>
>> Right. That's why discussions about centralized social benefits such
>> as medical insurance don't accomplish anything. The states in the US
>> are equivalent to countries in the EU.
>>
>
> Eh, I'll believe that when each state has its own language, army,
They do ;-).
> and
> electoral system (and perhaps if you're a citizen of Michigan you
> can't vote in Massachusetts), and the US as a whole doesn't. When the
> US leaves the benighted states like Mississippi to stew in their own
> juices, instead of sending them aid and government contracts.
The sole reason Mississippi didn't get Federal help quickly is because its
governor didn't ask for it.
/BAH
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