| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341583 is a reply to message #341580] |
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On 13 Apr 2017 09:32:19 GMT
mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2017-04-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> I wish...the problem with web pages is that the pages essentially
>> have to be "flipped out"; they never, ever are designed to fit the
>> screen.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> I thought that was one of the main reasons for HTML, that they fit any
> (almost) screens?
That was before CSS, they still can with CSS and even do a slicker
job but when the marketing oik wants it to look just like the printed
advert ... The rot set in when the table structure gained enough controls
to make it possible to force a layout (I once had to align form fields
with a background image using tables and transparent spacer images), CSS
really just cleaned up the implementation. I'm glad I stopped doing web
front end jbex before it got fashionable.
Even before that there has never been anything to enforce (or even
suggest) splitting up the content into sensible sized pieces, almost every
web page has to scroll on almost every display and some of them can scroll
for a *long* time. OTOH sometimes I'll choose the "all in one" option for a
document so I can search inside it easily.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341584 is a reply to message #341573] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 08:48 |
jmfbahciv
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Colin Campbell wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 12:57:48 +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
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>> Michael LeVine wrote:
> BAH
>>>
>>> But you did go whey overboard.
>>
>> Sirrah! My computers do not have plumbing.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> Presumably not Aquarius, then? Although, if you do go overboard, one
> hopes the DEC isn't too high above the water.
The original DEC was in a building on the bank of the Assabet. If
it flooded, DEC floated up. I don't remember having to deal with
a flood; I was in the Mill 1971-1975.
/BAH
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341588 is a reply to message #341580] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 09:37 |
Peter Flass
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<mausg@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2017-04-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-11, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On 2017-04-09, mausg@mail.com <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 2017-04-08, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 2017-04-08, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> mausg@mail.com writes:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Been noticing recently, that talking to ordinary USAians, there is a
>>>> >>>>> massive and growing difference between Her Majestys English, and the
>>>> >>>>> former colonists. I might start a ruckus about that.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Resist all you want. Go ahead, be dragged kicking and screaming.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> But you'll all be using Midwest American English sooner or later.
>>>> >>>> Resistance is futile.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It'll be back to grunts around the fire soon enough...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Relative is a schoolteacher, says that some of the pupils try to turn
>>>> >> pages in real books, by swiping along the bottom
>>>> >
>>>> > I've seen many people use a very similar motion long before tablets and
>>>> > smartphones were invented. It dog-ears the pages very quickly.
>>>>
>>>> That's why smartphones adopted that gesture for page-turn.
>>>
>>> Now I'll start looking for dog-eared web pages.
>>>
>>
>> I wish...the problem with web pages is that the pages essentially
>> have to be "flipped out"; they never, ever are designed to fit the
>> screen.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> I thought that was one of the main reasons for HTML, that they fit any(almost)
> screens?
>
>
Can do, but some designers go to great pains to make sure they don't. I
usually use my iPad in landscape mode, but some pages give me a message
"please rotate your device!"
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341589 is a reply to message #341580] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 08:27 |
Morten Reistad
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In article <slrnoeuh9q.18u.mausg@smaus.org>, <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2017-04-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-11, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On 2017-04-09, mausg@mail.com <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 2017-04-08, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 2017-04-08, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> mausg@mail.com writes:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Been noticing recently, that talking to ordinary USAians, there is a
>>>> >>>>> massive and growing difference between Her Majestys English, and the
>>>> >>>>> former colonists. I might start a ruckus about that.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Resist all you want. Go ahead, be dragged kicking and screaming.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> But you'll all be using Midwest American English sooner or later.
>>>> >>>> Resistance is futile.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It'll be back to grunts around the fire soon enough...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Relative is a schoolteacher, says that some of the pupils try to turn
>>>> >> pages in real books, by swiping along the bottom
>>>> >
>>>> > I've seen many people use a very similar motion long before tablets and
>>>> > smartphones were invented. It dog-ears the pages very quickly.
>>>>
>>>> That's why smartphones adopted that gesture for page-turn.
>>>
>>> Now I'll start looking for dog-eared web pages.
>>>
>>
>> I wish...the problem with web pages is that the pages essentially
>> have to be "flipped out"; they never, ever are designed to fit the
>> screen.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> I thought that was one of the main reasons for HTML, that they fit any(almost)
> screens?
Yes, but web designers are pushing, or being pushed, to fixed screens.
Just try to widen, or narrow, the web pages of a newspaper or
mechant.
This is what general markup was all about, removing the physical
attachment of the world's documents, and making them fully open and
searchable and safe for the future.
But then this web-browser bling showed up.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341590 is a reply to message #341580] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 10:05 |
Quadibloc
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On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 3:32:21 AM UTC-6, ma...@mail.com wrote:
> On 2017-04-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> I wish...the problem with web pages is that the pages essentially
>> have to be "flipped out"; they never, ever are designed to fit the
>> screen.
> I thought that was one of the main reasons for HTML, that they fit any(almost)
> screens?
They fit, but they usually have to be scrolled. Of course, some web designers
use tables to force pages wider than some browsers.
John Savard
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341601 is a reply to message #341583] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 13:22 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2017-04-13, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2017 09:32:19 GMT
> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>
>> On 2017-04-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wish...the problem with web pages is that the pages essentially
>>> have to be "flipped out"; they never, ever are designed to fit the
>>> screen.
>>
>> I thought that was one of the main reasons for HTML, that they fit any
>> (almost) screens?
>
> That was before CSS, they still can with CSS and even do a slicker
> job but when the marketing oik wants it to look just like the printed
> advert ... The rot set in when the table structure gained enough controls
> to make it possible to force a layout (I once had to align form fields
> with a background image using tables and transparent spacer images), CSS
> really just cleaned up the implementation. I'm glad I stopped doing web
> front end jbex before it got fashionable.
>
> Even before that there has never been anything to enforce (or even
> suggest) splitting up the content into sensible sized pieces, almost every
> web page has to scroll on almost every display and some of them can scroll
> for a *long* time. OTOH sometimes I'll choose the "all in one" option for a
> document so I can search inside it easily.
My latest pet peeve is the "bottomless" web pages that are now showing up.
Scroll down to the bottom and all of a sudden more stuff is tacked on the end.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341602 is a reply to message #341601] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 13:55 |
Quadibloc
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On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> My latest pet peeve is the "bottomless" web pages that are now showing up.
> Scroll down to the bottom and all of a sudden more stuff is tacked on the end.
In some cases, this may be done to make them work better with mobile devices.
John Savard
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341604 is a reply to message #341602] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 14:57 |
Peter Flass
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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> My latest pet peeve is the "bottomless" web pages that are now showing up.
>> Scroll down to the bottom and all of a sudden more stuff is tacked on the end.
>
> In some cases, this may be done to make them work better with mobile devices.
>
"Mobile devices" meaning phones. Anyone who uses a tablet will probably be
as annoyed by this as I am. It makes it difficult to go back and find
something, whereas fixed-size pages make it a snap. The internet archive
is using this technique.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341605 is a reply to message #341567] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 15:05 |
Mike Spencer
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2017-04-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I wish...the problem with web pages is that the pages essentially
>> have to be "flipped out"; they never, ever are designed to fit the
>> screen.
>
> Sure they are - as long as you have the correct browser, plus hardware
> that can handle the correct resolution. Between this and gratuitous
> specialized apps, the threat of universality has once again been averted.
Much of the original point of HTML was leaving the rendering up to the
client reader/browser. As soon as marketing droid were allowed on the
net, they fell on HTML like rabid ferrets. RIP sanity.
Now web "pages" are inteneded to render *exactly* the way the
marketing department saw them on the storyboard proposals; now, by
extension of the rubric to web "designers" who are infected with the
marketing droid virus, exactly the way *I* want them to look and if
*you* can't see them that way, you're obviously part of an
insignificant demographic tranche to whom I have nothing to say
anyhow. Seen from my sophisticated elevation as a web designer,
you're the digital equivalent of a street person bumming nickels.
It's not unusual for me to abandon the browser for some page the text
of which I want to read badly enough, fetch it to a file with wget,
elide all <SCRIPT..., <STYLE..., <SVG... blocks, all <LINK, <META & <DIV
tags with a handy emacs macro and *then* load it in a browser. Even
that is only about 90% successful with problem pages.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341606 is a reply to message #341602] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 15:14 |
Mike Spencer
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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> My latest pet peeve is the "bottomless" web pages that are now
>> showing up. Scroll down to the bottom and all of a sudden more
>> stuff is tacked on the end.
Jeez, what happens if you try to save such a page to a file? Infinite
regress? Never seen that; I suppose it's enabled by js?
> In some cases, this may be done to make them work better with mobile
> devices.
So, probably, is much of the complicated CSS crap. Jeez, in 1990, I
was ridiculed because my Osborne I had a 4" screen. Now a 3" screen
is hip modernitity and they want to watch Cinemascope movies, read
Dostoevsky novels on it. Feh.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341607 is a reply to message #341606] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 18:03 |
Quadibloc
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On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:14:18 PM UTC-6, Mike Spencer wrote:
> So, probably, is much of the complicated CSS crap. Jeez, in 1990, I
> was ridiculed because my Osborne I had a 4" screen. Now a 3" screen
> is hip modernitity and they want to watch Cinemascope movies, read
> Dostoevsky novels on it. Feh.
Well, it does have more pixels than the CRT on an Osborne I that could only
handle lines of 56 characters instead of 80.
And, of course, a smartphone has an excuse; it's not as if you could fit an
Osborne I in your pocket (and the similarly-dimensioned Kaypro and Osborne II
fixed the screen limitation).
John Savard
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341610 is a reply to message #341601] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 19:06 |
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Originally posted by: JimP.
On 13 Apr 2017 17:22:33 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
> On 2017-04-13, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On 13 Apr 2017 09:32:19 GMT
>> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-04-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wish...the problem with web pages is that the pages essentially
>>>> have to be "flipped out"; they never, ever are designed to fit the
>>>> screen.
>>>
>>> I thought that was one of the main reasons for HTML, that they fit any
>>> (almost) screens?
>>
>> That was before CSS, they still can with CSS and even do a slicker
>> job but when the marketing oik wants it to look just like the printed
>> advert ... The rot set in when the table structure gained enough controls
>> to make it possible to force a layout (I once had to align form fields
>> with a background image using tables and transparent spacer images), CSS
>> really just cleaned up the implementation. I'm glad I stopped doing web
>> front end jbex before it got fashionable.
>>
>> Even before that there has never been anything to enforce (or even
>> suggest) splitting up the content into sensible sized pieces, almost every
>> web page has to scroll on almost every display and some of them can scroll
>> for a *long* time. OTOH sometimes I'll choose the "all in one" option for a
>> document so I can search inside it easily.
>
> My latest pet peeve is the "bottomless" web pages that are now showing up.
> Scroll down to the bottom and all of a sudden more stuff is tacked on the end.
I hate that crap. If I'm doing a web search for sometihng, let me
click 'Next page'.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341611 is a reply to message #341604] |
Thu, 13 April 2017 20:05 |
Dan Espen
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> My latest pet peeve is the "bottomless" web pages that are now showing up.
>>> Scroll down to the bottom and all of a sudden more stuff is tacked on the end.
>>
>> In some cases, this may be done to make them work better with mobile devices.
>
> "Mobile devices" meaning phones. Anyone who uses a tablet will probably be
> as annoyed by this as I am. It makes it difficult to go back and find
> something, whereas fixed-size pages make it a snap. The internet archive
> is using this technique.
For pages that contain information you might want to search, long pages
are an aid since you can search using Ctrl-F.
If something like documentation is broken up into pages,
a search feature becomes a necessary addition to the site.
For some software I supported, each product had it's own
web site with site search using one of the open source
setups.
At each site, documents were listed with links to the document.
Some of the documents were long.
I tried to help by starting the document with a one level
table of contents with links. Click on a link and you go to the start
of the section. The section might have sub-level table of contents
and so on.
Whenever you clicked on a section header you returned to the next highest
table of contents all the way back to the top.
At first I wished CSS or HTML would do the links automatically.
(Something like, click on an "H3" heading and move to the previous
"H2" heading.) I ended up writing scripts to keep everything in order.
I never had anyone complain about the size of a web page document.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341624 is a reply to message #341605] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 04:40 |
mausg
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On 2017-04-13, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2017-04-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wish...the problem with web pages is that the pages essentially
>>> have to be "flipped out"; they never, ever are designed to fit the
>>> screen.
>>
>> Sure they are - as long as you have the correct browser, plus hardware
>> that can handle the correct resolution. Between this and gratuitous
>> specialized apps, the threat of universality has once again been averted.
>
> Much of the original point of HTML was leaving the rendering up to the
> client reader/browser. As soon as marketing droid were allowed on the
> net, they fell on HTML like rabid ferrets. RIP sanity.
>
> Now web "pages" are inteneded to render *exactly* the way the
> marketing department saw them on the storyboard proposals; now, by
> extension of the rubric to web "designers" who are infected with the
> marketing droid virus, exactly the way *I* want them to look and if
> *you* can't see them that way, you're obviously part of an
> insignificant demographic tranche to whom I have nothing to say
> anyhow. Seen from my sophisticated elevation as a web designer,
> you're the digital equivalent of a street person bumming nickels.
>
> It's not unusual for me to abandon the browser for some page the text
> of which I want to read badly enough, fetch it to a file with wget,
> elide all <SCRIPT..., <STYLE..., <SVG... blocks, all <LINK, <META & <DIV
> tags with a handy emacs macro and *then* load it in a browser. Even
> that is only about 90% successful with problem pages.
>
Have you that in a script?
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greymaus.ireland.ie
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341625 is a reply to message #341605] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 07:51 |
jmfbahciv
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Mike Spencer wrote:
>
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2017-04-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wish...the problem with web pages is that the pages essentially
>>> have to be "flipped out"; they never, ever are designed to fit the
>>> screen.
>>
>> Sure they are - as long as you have the correct browser, plus hardware
>> that can handle the correct resolution. Between this and gratuitous
>> specialized apps, the threat of universality has once again been averted.
>
> Much of the original point of HTML was leaving the rendering up to the
> client reader/browser. As soon as marketing droid were allowed on the
> net, they fell on HTML like rabid ferrets. RIP sanity.
>
> Now web "pages" are inteneded to render *exactly* the way the
> marketing department saw them on the storyboard proposals; now, by
> extension of the rubric to web "designers" who are infected with the
> marketing droid virus, exactly the way *I* want them to look and if
> *you* can't see them that way, you're obviously part of an
> insignificant demographic tranche to whom I have nothing to say
> anyhow. Seen from my sophisticated elevation as a web designer,
> you're the digital equivalent of a street person bumming nickels.
>
> It's not unusual for me to abandon the browser for some page the text
> of which I want to read badly enough, fetch it to a file with wget,
> elide all <SCRIPT..., <STYLE..., <SVG... blocks, all <LINK, <META & <DIV
> tags with a handy emacs macro and *then* load it in a browser. Even
> that is only about 90% successful with problem pages.
>
My biggest gripe is the pages which require moving the page up just
to get to the next page. For some strange reason, the "next" icon
is 2" below the screen. I still have problems positioning the web
page pointer on the exact pixel which adjust the screen.
/BAH
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341638 is a reply to message #341611] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 11:03 |
Peter Flass
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Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> My latest pet peeve is the "bottomless" web pages that are now showing up.
>>>> Scroll down to the bottom and all of a sudden more stuff is tacked on the end.
>>>
>>> In some cases, this may be done to make them work better with mobile devices.
>>
>> "Mobile devices" meaning phones. Anyone who uses a tablet will probably be
>> as annoyed by this as I am. It makes it difficult to go back and find
>> something, whereas fixed-size pages make it a snap. The internet archive
>> is using this technique.
>
> For pages that contain information you might want to search, long pages
> are an aid since you can search using Ctrl-F.
>
> If something like documentation is broken up into pages,
> a search feature becomes a necessary addition to the site.
>
> For some software I supported, each product had it's own
> web site with site search using one of the open source
> setups.
>
> At each site, documents were listed with links to the document.
>
> Some of the documents were long.
> I tried to help by starting the document with a one level
> table of contents with links. Click on a link and you go to the start
> of the section. The section might have sub-level table of contents
> and so on.
> Whenever you clicked on a section header you returned to the next highest
> table of contents all the way back to the top.
> At first I wished CSS or HTML would do the links automatically.
> (Something like, click on an "H3" heading and move to the previous
> "H2" heading.) I ended up writing scripts to keep everything in order.
>
> I never had anyone complain about the size of a web page document.
>
Sure, but it wasn't "continuous" like we're discussing. When you browse
the Internet Archive it gives you a bunch of results and automatically
tacks on more and more as you scroll down. It's not just a long page, it's
all one page.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341639 is a reply to message #340209] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 11:03 |
Peter Flass
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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-04-13, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <slrnoeuh9q.18u.mausg@smaus.org>, <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>
> [41 lines snipped]
>
>>> I thought that was one of the main reasons for HTML, that they fit any(almost)
>>> screens?
>>
>> Yes, but web designers are pushing, or being pushed, to fixed screens.
>
> Marketing departments hated generic markup from day 1. They immediately
> wanted appearance related bells and whistles that it couldn't deliver.
>
>
The whole point of functional markup is that it identifies document
elements: headings, subheadings, etc., and leaves the presentation up to
the user interface. The idea is that you can get a usable document out of
all kinds of presentation media. Previously you had markup like troff or
DCF that defined how the output was supposed to look. The industry moved
away from this toward the first model for a reason, but apparently
questions of usability don't factor in to the decisions of the
marketdroids.
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Pete
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341640 is a reply to message #341625] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 12:15 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2017-04-14, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> My biggest gripe is the pages which require moving the page up just
> to get to the next page. For some strange reason, the "next" icon
> is 2" below the screen. I still have problems positioning the web
> page pointer on the exact pixel which adjust the screen.
Hear, hear! My other gripe is pages that want you to enter something,
but require you to click in the first box before typing anything.
If it were nice, that box would already be active and you could just
start typing, using the tab key to advance through the boxes. You
could then quickly enter your information withough going near the mouse.
Oh wait, I forgot... use of the mouse is mandatory in the New World Order.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341643 is a reply to message #341640] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 13:20 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On 14 Apr 2017 16:15:35 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-04-14, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> My biggest gripe is the pages which require moving the page up just
>> to get to the next page. For some strange reason, the "next" icon
>> is 2" below the screen. I still have problems positioning the web
>> page pointer on the exact pixel which adjust the screen.
>
> Hear, hear! My other gripe is pages that want you to enter something,
> but require you to click in the first box before typing anything.
> If it were nice, that box would already be active and you could just
I've encountered any number of sites that do grab focus like that,
usually catching a few characters intended for a different window. I curse
them roundly.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341644 is a reply to message #341640] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 14:40 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:15:35 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2017-04-14, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> My biggest gripe is the pages which require moving the page up just to
>> get to the next page. For some strange reason, the "next" icon is 2"
>> below the screen. I still have problems positioning the web page
>> pointer on the exact pixel which adjust the screen.
>
> Hear, hear! My other gripe is pages that want you to enter something,
> but require you to click in the first box before typing anything.
> If it were nice, that box would already be active and you could just
> start typing, using the tab key to advance through the boxes. You could
> then quickly enter your information withough going near the mouse.
>
> Oh wait, I forgot... use of the mouse is mandatory in the New World
> Order.
Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
to state...
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Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341649 is a reply to message #341624] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 16:15 |
Mike Spencer
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mausg@mail.com writes:
> On 2017-04-13, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>> It's not unusual for me to abandon the browser for some page the
>> text of which I want to read badly enough, fetch it to a file with
>> wget, elide all <SCRIPT..., <STYLE..., <SVG... blocks, all <LINK,
>> <META & <DIV tags with a handy emacs macro and *then* load it in a
>> browser. Even that is only about 90% successful with problem
>> pages.
>
> Have you that in a script?
No, as emacs macros set up in ~/.emacs:
(fset 'scr "\C-s<script\C-m\M-b\C-b\C-t\C-s</script>\C-m\C-w")
(fset 'sty "\C-s<style\C-m\M-b\C-b\C-t\C-s</style>\C-m\C-w")
(fset 'svg "\C-s<svg\C-m\M-b\C-b\C-t\C-s</svg>\C-m\C-w")
The "C-u 100 M-x scr" removes all scripts, and so on. [1]
In Perl, similar should be easy with s/pattern//sgi, using the perlre
"non-greedy" '?' flag on the pattern. Something like:
s/<script.+?<\/script>//sgi;
s/<link[^>]+>//sgi;
etc. Is that exactly right? Not guaranteed suitable for yadda yadda....
[1] Ooooh, potential confusion: I have C-t set in emacs to do
set-mark-command. You'll have to change instances of \C-t to \C-@
or whatever you have as the key combo for set-mark-command.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341652 is a reply to message #341644] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 17:03 |
Peter Flass
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Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:15:35 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
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>> On 2017-04-14, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My biggest gripe is the pages which require moving the page up just to
>>> get to the next page. For some strange reason, the "next" icon is 2"
>>> below the screen. I still have problems positioning the web page
>>> pointer on the exact pixel which adjust the screen.
>>
>> Hear, hear! My other gripe is pages that want you to enter something,
>> but require you to click in the first box before typing anything.
>> If it were nice, that box would already be active and you could just
>> start typing, using the tab key to advance through the boxes. You could
>> then quickly enter your information withough going near the mouse.
>>
>> Oh wait, I forgot... use of the mouse is mandatory in the New World
>> Order.
>
> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
> to state...
>
The first thingsI learned designing 3270 screens were to keep the fields
in logical order and to position the cursor in the first enterable field.
Everything we knew seems to have been forgottten. There is also the problem
of numeric fields not indicating that the field is numeric. Some screens on
my iPad donthis correctly, but most do not.
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Pete
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341653 is a reply to message #341649] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 17:03 |
mausg
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On 2017-04-14, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
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> mausg@mail.com writes:
>
> (fset 'sty "\C-s<style\C-m\M-b\C-b\C-t\C-s</style>\C-m\C-w")
> (fset 'svg "\C-s<svg\C-m\M-b\C-b\C-t\C-s</svg>\C-m\C-w")
>
> The "C-u 100 M-x scr" removes all scripts, and so on. [1]
>
> In Perl, similar should be easy with s/pattern//sgi, using the perlre
> "non-greedy" '?' flag on the pattern. Something like:
>
> s/<script.+?<\/script>//sgi;
> s/<link[^>]+>//sgi;
>
> etc. Is that exactly right? Not guaranteed suitable for yadda yadda....
>
> [1] Ooooh, potential confusion: I have C-t set in emacs to do
> set-mark-command. You'll have to change instances of \C-t to \C-@
> or whatever you have as the key combo for set-mark-command.
>
I must confess to being a vi[m] addict, but I will try to work that out.
Thanks.. Should be able to interpt the perl to ruby..
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341654 is a reply to message #340209] |
Fri, 14 April 2017 18:08 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:37:06 +0000, Huge wrote:
> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
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> [17 lines snipped]
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>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>> to state...
>
> I think this is a cultural thing.
True, but that was merely an example. I've seen lots of other ill-ordered
pages. (and dialog boxes that I designed myself for a GUI before I tried
them out and realised)
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341669 is a reply to message #340209] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 00:14 |
Peter Flass
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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
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> [17 lines snipped]
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>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>> to state...
>
> I think this is a cultural thing.
>
>
Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
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| Web bloat (Was: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit) [message #341676 is a reply to message #341653] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 02:44 |
Mike Spencer
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Here's someone who's really steamed about web bloat and happy to
rant at lenght:
http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm
Or consider this 400-word-long Medium article on bloat, which
includes the sentence:
"Teams that don't understand who they're building for, and why, are
prone to make bloated products."
The Medium team has somehow made this nugget of thought require 1.2
megabytes.
That's longer than Crime and Punishment....
And so on. Forget the Russian lit yardstick. If you can't fit it
into the number of bytes it took Terry Pratchett to produce a novel,
can't be bothered. Mendokusai.
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Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341682 is a reply to message #341669] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 03:32 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:14:29 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>> [17 lines snipped]
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>>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to
>>> street to state...
>>
>> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>
>>
>
> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
Well sort of - my address has no number, no street and until very
recently nothing like a zip code (they've recently been introduced here,
many people don't bother with them). It does have a region, a village, a
town and a county and unusually it also has a house name otherwise the
address would be the same as a couple of dozen other houses in the region.
Also in some countries it is common to have street first then
number.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341683 is a reply to message #341669] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 04:20 |
mausg
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On 2017-04-15, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>> [17 lines snipped]
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>>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>> to state...
>>
>> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>
>>
>
> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>
There are places on the earth without zip codes.
Also, consider date formats
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341684 is a reply to message #341682] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 04:23 |
mausg
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On 2017-04-15, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:14:29 -0700
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>
>>> [17 lines snipped]
>>>
>>>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to
>>>> street to state...
>>>
>>> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>
> Well sort of - my address has no number, no street and until very
> recently nothing like a zip code (they've recently been introduced here,
> many people don't bother with them). It does have a region, a village, a
> town and a county and unusually it also has a house name otherwise the
> address would be the same as a couple of dozen other houses in the region.
>
> Also in some countries it is common to have street first then
> number.
>
Its a sorta snobbery thing in Ireland, council-built houses had numbers.
I once for fun entered,"1 <usual-address>" and sometimes still get letters
addressed in that format.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341686 is a reply to message #341640] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 08:39 |
jmfbahciv
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Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2017-04-14, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> My biggest gripe is the pages which require moving the page up just
>> to get to the next page. For some strange reason, the "next" icon
>> is 2" below the screen. I still have problems positioning the web
>> page pointer on the exact pixel which adjust the screen.
>
> Hear, hear! My other gripe is pages that want you to enter something,
> but require you to click in the first box before typing anything.
> If it were nice, that box would already be active and you could just
> start typing, using the tab key to advance through the boxes. You
> could then quickly enter your information withough going near the mouse.
>
> Oh wait, I forgot... use of the mouse is mandatory in the New World Order.
>
A NWO without the benefit of data entry experts' advice.
If I have to click a page pop-up before getting to the real page, I always
back out and give up. When I don't I end up with a mess which requires
me to start all over again. I'm so clumsy w.r.t. web browsing, I never
ever can reproduce the clicks which got me the page I had wanted to read.
/BAH
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341687 is a reply to message #341638] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 08:39 |
jmfbahciv
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Peter Flass wrote:
> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > My latest pet peeve is the "bottomless" web pages that are now showing
up.
>>>> > Scroll down to the bottom and all of a sudden more stuff is tacked on
the end.
>>>>
>>>> In some cases, this may be done to make them work better with mobile
devices.
>>>
>>> "Mobile devices" meaning phones. Anyone who uses a tablet will probably be
>>> as annoyed by this as I am. It makes it difficult to go back and find
>>> something, whereas fixed-size pages make it a snap. The internet archive
>>> is using this technique.
>>
>> For pages that contain information you might want to search, long pages
>> are an aid since you can search using Ctrl-F.
>>
>> If something like documentation is broken up into pages,
>> a search feature becomes a necessary addition to the site.
>>
>> For some software I supported, each product had it's own
>> web site with site search using one of the open source
>> setups.
>>
>> At each site, documents were listed with links to the document.
>>
>> Some of the documents were long.
>> I tried to help by starting the document with a one level
>> table of contents with links. Click on a link and you go to the start
>> of the section. The section might have sub-level table of contents
>> and so on.
>> Whenever you clicked on a section header you returned to the next highest
>> table of contents all the way back to the top.
>> At first I wished CSS or HTML would do the links automatically.
>> (Something like, click on an "H3" heading and move to the previous
>> "H2" heading.) I ended up writing scripts to keep everything in order.
>>
>> I never had anyone complain about the size of a web page document.
>>
>
> Sure, but it wasn't "continuous" like we're discussing. When you browse
> the Internet Archive it gives you a bunch of results and automatically
> tacks on more and more as you scroll down. It's not just a long page, it's
> all one page.
I don't mind that approach _as long as I don't have to move the damned mouse_.
Lately, the down arrow disappears and requires mouse movements to make that
slide bar reappear. That is very annoying because it always takes me 3 or
more mouse movements to position the arrow to any place. I suspect the
disappearing slide bar has to do with the software on the library's systems
but I'm not sure.
/BAH
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341688 is a reply to message #341686] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 08:44 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
In article <PM00054D33FD9AA592@aca40872.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com
says...
>
> Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2017-04-14, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My biggest gripe is the pages which require moving the page up just
>>> to get to the next page. For some strange reason, the "next" icon
>>> is 2" below the screen. I still have problems positioning the web
>>> page pointer on the exact pixel which adjust the screen.
>>
>> Hear, hear! My other gripe is pages that want you to enter something,
>> but require you to click in the first box before typing anything.
>> If it were nice, that box would already be active and you could just
>> start typing, using the tab key to advance through the boxes. You
>> could then quickly enter your information withough going near the mouse.
>>
>> Oh wait, I forgot... use of the mouse is mandatory in the New World Order.
>>
> A NWO without the benefit of data entry experts' advice.
>
> If I have to click a page pop-up before getting to the real page, I always
> back out and give up. When I don't I end up with a mess which requires
> me to start all over again. I'm so clumsy w.r.t. web browsing, I never
> ever can reproduce the clicks which got me the page I had wanted to read.
>
> /BAH
Even worse, the damned pages that want you to enter something but they keep
loading new lines above where you have to enter it so the damned box keeps
moving and it's a crapshoot what you get when you try to click on the box.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341694 is a reply to message #340209] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 10:16 |
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On 4/15/2017 4:18 AM, Huge wrote:
> On 2017-04-15, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>
>>> [17 lines snipped]
>>>
>>>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> to state...
>>> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>
>>>
>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
> My Mother lives in the USA. I live in the UK.
>
> According to her, her address is;
>
> {Apartment Building Name}
> {Apartment Number}
> {Building Street Number}
> {Town}
> {State}
> {ZIP}
>
> IMNHO, the first two lines are the wrong way round.
I don't think there is any actual information content in the Apartment
Building Name. But it is probably a deeply embedded custom for many
people. Perhaps a bit of prestige, depending on the actual name.
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USA
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341695 is a reply to message #341682] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 04:42 |
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In article <20170415083253.fea5064ee04d965a4b8abb2c@eircom.net>,
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:14:29 -0700
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>
>>> [17 lines snipped]
>>>
>>>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to
>>>> street to state...
>>>
>>> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>
> Well sort of - my address has no number, no street and until very
> recently nothing like a zip code (they've recently been introduced here,
> many people don't bother with them). It does have a region, a village, a
> town and a county and unusually it also has a house name otherwise the
> address would be the same as a couple of dozen other houses in the region.
>
> Also in some countries it is common to have street first then
> number.
There is some progress towards the uniform, global address.
By 2020 every household in Scandinavia will have a proper street
address, like
Donald Duck
Quack road 13 Street and number
1313 Ducksburg postcode and postal office name
United Duck Republic country
-- mrr
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341700 is a reply to message #340209] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 12:27 |
mausg
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On 2017-04-15, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-04-15, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>
>>> [17 lines snipped]
>>>
>>>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to street
>>>> to state...
>>>
>>> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>
> My Mother lives in the USA. I live in the UK.
>
> According to her, her address is;
>
> {Apartment Building Name}
> {Apartment Number}
> {Building Street Number}
> {Town}
> {State}
> {ZIP}
>
> IMNHO, the first two lines are the wrong way round.
>
> In a more general sense, you might like to read this;
>
> https://www.mjt.me.uk/posts/falsehoods-programmers-believe-a bout-addresses/
>
>
<joke type="Irish">
Paddy Dunne went off to England, sent home money to mother for the first
while, then discovered what you could buy in that pagan country,
so, when their neighbour Mick, was going, Paddy's mother asked him to
look up paddy.
"Whats his address?"
"Its in London, WC2 something"
So Mick arrived in London, and decided to look for Paddy, noticed a
sign in the station pointing to `WC', went down, and to number 2,
knocked, and a nervous voice asked "Yes?"
"Are you Dunne?"
"Yes"
"Well, send some money home to your Mother"
</joke>
I remember an `American Wake'[1], someone was going to New York, so their
neighbour asked him to look up her son.
[1] Party for people who went to America via steamship, some never returned
--
greymaus.ireland.ie
Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341701 is a reply to message #340209] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 13:26 |
osmium
Messages: 749
Registered: April 2013
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On 4/15/2017 11:04 AM, Dave Garland wrote:
> On 4/14/2017 11:14 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-14, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>
>>> [17 lines snipped]
>>>
>>>> Not to mention the fact that pages often have a very ill-defined tab
>>>> order; for example, entering an address has to be done in a very
>>>> illogical order because the tab key moves from number to city to
>>>> street
>>>> to state...
>>>
>>> I think this is a cultural thing.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not unless addresses are a cultural thing like chinese names. You always
>> type number and street, city, state, and zip, not some other order.
>>
>
> I think the Japanese use different systems (there is an entire
> Wikipedia article devoted to Japanese address systems). My impression
> (from the return addresses on packages I receive) is that the Chinese
> don't. And the US certainly used to put zone between city and state.
> I'm not even sure that every country even has the equivalent of states.
I surely wouldn't expect the Vatican to have states.
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| Re: ARM Cortex A53 64 bit [message #341702 is a reply to message #341695] |
Sat, 15 April 2017 13:08 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Messages: 4843
Registered: January 2012
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 10:42:37 +0200
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
> There is some progress towards the uniform, global address.
>
> By 2020 every household in Scandinavia will have a proper street
> address, like
>
> Donald Duck
> Quack road 13 Street and number
> 1313 Ducksburg postcode and postal office name
> United Duck Republic country
While in UK style that would be more like:
Donald Duck
13 Quack Road
Ducksburg
DB1 3QQ
United Duck Republic
UK postcodes are national in scope so they go just before the
country. Also note the house number comes before the street name.
Ireland would be more like:
Donald Duck
Quacksville
Ducksburg
United Duck Republic
If the postcode gets used (rarely) it goes after Ducksburg, if there
happens to be a number and street name they appear in the UK fashion.
--
Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see
You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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