| Microsoft Admits Forcing More Users Onto Windows 10 [message #339648] |
Sat, 18 March 2017 15:10  |
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Originally posted by: Trust In Microsoft
< https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2017/03/17/microsoft-
admits-forcing-more-users-onto-windows-10/#780fff5b780f>
Microsoft is blocking Windows 7 and 8 updates on Intel's seventh
generation Core i3, i5 and i7 (Kaby Lake), AMD's Ryzen (Bristol
Ridge) and Qualcomm's 8996 processors. Devices powered by these
processors must update to Windows 10 in order to receive updates
from Microsoft.
The problem will manifest only when you try to run Windows
Update, when you'll see an error message: "Windows could not
search for new updates" and "Code 80240037 Windows Update
encountered an unknown error".
Responding to a request on the subject, a spokesperson said "As
new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the
latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables
us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon
while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with
previous generations of platform and silicon".
And this does, in fairness to Microsoft, make some sort of
sense. It wants to make sure Windows runs as well as possible on
new silicon. It can do that on Windows 10 because it's a current
product, and it will be installed on most new-build PCs running
these processors. It makes less sense to go back and optimise
Windows 7 and 8, especially as the former is now officially in
"extended support", which will end in 2020. Windows 8 support
ends in 2023.
Additionally, while Intel Skylake processors are currently
supported on Windows 7 and 8, they won't be from July. So users
with those operating systems will also be forced to upgrade in
order to keep updates coming. Microsoft didn't explain to me how
it would charge users now the free Window is closed. That said,
I understand you can still use Windows 7 and 8 product keys on
fresh Windows 10 installs. But please check that before blindly
wiping all your data on my say so.
However, there is something going on here I don't like. While
it's certainly true that Microsoft will optimise Windows 10
continually, it doesn't need to pull support for Windows Updates
on new processors. It is still, however it's spun, trying to get
a greater number of people off Windows 7 and 8 and onto Windows
10. I understand the business objective, I'm just not fond of
being held hostage over updates.
What's more, the wording is clear that this will be an ongoing
thing. Of course Microsoft pledged that it would put an end big
numeric updates to Windows. There will be, it says, no Windows
11. But instead users will be updated to new versions of what I
expect will become simply "Windows" in the future. But what that
does also mean is that if there are additional things added to
Windows that you dislike, you won't have any option to use an
old version of Windows instead. While there will be user
benefits to this strategy, it also means that Microsoft is
taking away a measure of control from users.
Some people have very real problems with Windows 10 too. For
example it's currently being accused of switching background
updates on for metered connections (in a beta only for now).
People have reported adverts in Windows 10's explorer, and even
I get constant hassle about OneDrive on Windows. There are also
some who are bothered by Windows telemetry, which is said to
closely monitor some on-PC activity and report back to base.
So I get where Microsoft is going with this. For many, Windows
10 will be their OS of choice anyway. But for others the whole
thing will leave a new sour taste in their mouths. You can read
the company's justification in detail on its Windows Experience
blog.
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| Re: Microsoft Admits Forcing More Users Onto Windows 10 [message #339670 is a reply to message #339648] |
Sat, 18 March 2017 16:34  |
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Originally posted by: pjp
In article <aa5173d02695328d3f7ed14e790eec9b@dizum.com>,
anonymous@alt.net says...
>
> < https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2017/03/17/microsoft-
> admits-forcing-more-users-onto-windows-10/#780fff5b780f>
>
> Microsoft is blocking Windows 7 and 8 updates on Intel's seventh
> generation Core i3, i5 and i7 (Kaby Lake), AMD's Ryzen (Bristol
> Ridge) and Qualcomm's 8996 processors. Devices powered by these
> processors must update to Windows 10 in order to receive updates
> from Microsoft.
>
> The problem will manifest only when you try to run Windows
> Update, when you'll see an error message: "Windows could not
> search for new updates" and "Code 80240037 Windows Update
> encountered an unknown error".
>
> Responding to a request on the subject, a spokesperson said "As
> new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the
> latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables
> us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon
> while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with
> previous generations of platform and silicon".
>
>
> And this does, in fairness to Microsoft, make some sort of
> sense. It wants to make sure Windows runs as well as possible on
> new silicon. It can do that on Windows 10 because it's a current
> product, and it will be installed on most new-build PCs running
> these processors. It makes less sense to go back and optimise
> Windows 7 and 8, especially as the former is now officially in
> "extended support", which will end in 2020. Windows 8 support
> ends in 2023.
>
> Additionally, while Intel Skylake processors are currently
> supported on Windows 7 and 8, they won't be from July. So users
> with those operating systems will also be forced to upgrade in
> order to keep updates coming. Microsoft didn't explain to me how
> it would charge users now the free Window is closed. That said,
> I understand you can still use Windows 7 and 8 product keys on
> fresh Windows 10 installs. But please check that before blindly
> wiping all your data on my say so.
>
> However, there is something going on here I don't like. While
> it's certainly true that Microsoft will optimise Windows 10
> continually, it doesn't need to pull support for Windows Updates
> on new processors. It is still, however it's spun, trying to get
> a greater number of people off Windows 7 and 8 and onto Windows
> 10. I understand the business objective, I'm just not fond of
> being held hostage over updates.
>
> What's more, the wording is clear that this will be an ongoing
When updates stop working they stop working. MS allows/wants me to
continue using pc after that is everyone's problem because I have no
intention of stopping using a working pc just because it won't update. I
have 9 pc's in house here, 1 W10 (play toy netbook), 4 Win7, 2 Vista and
2 XP. The XP & Vista pc's still work fine for their purpose right now
which is for the most part serving a stereo and tv with media.
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| Re: Microsoft Admits Forcing More Users Onto Windows 10 [message #339822 is a reply to message #339670] |
Mon, 20 March 2017 05:48 |
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Originally posted by: eelbash
In article <MPG.333771f4a5556fb2989a14@news.eternal-
september.org>
pjp <pjpoirier_is_located@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> In article <aa5173d02695328d3f7ed14e790eec9b@dizum.com>,
> anonymous@alt.net says...
>>
>> < https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2017/03/17/microsoft-
>> admits-forcing-more-users-onto-windows-10/#780fff5b780f>
>>
>> Microsoft is blocking Windows 7 and 8 updates on Intel's seventh
>> generation Core i3, i5 and i7 (Kaby Lake), AMD's Ryzen (Bristol
>> Ridge) and Qualcomm's 8996 processors. Devices powered by these
>> processors must update to Windows 10 in order to receive updates
>> from Microsoft.
>>
>> The problem will manifest only when you try to run Windows
>> Update, when you'll see an error message: "Windows could not
>> search for new updates" and "Code 80240037 Windows Update
>> encountered an unknown error".
>>
>> Responding to a request on the subject, a spokesperson said "As
>> new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the
>> latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables
>> us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon
>> while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with
>> previous generations of platform and silicon".
>>
>>
>> And this does, in fairness to Microsoft, make some sort of
>> sense. It wants to make sure Windows runs as well as possible on
>> new silicon. It can do that on Windows 10 because it's a current
>> product, and it will be installed on most new-build PCs running
>> these processors. It makes less sense to go back and optimise
>> Windows 7 and 8, especially as the former is now officially in
>> "extended support", which will end in 2020. Windows 8 support
>> ends in 2023.
>>
>> Additionally, while Intel Skylake processors are currently
>> supported on Windows 7 and 8, they won't be from July. So users
>> with those operating systems will also be forced to upgrade in
>> order to keep updates coming. Microsoft didn't explain to me how
>> it would charge users now the free Window is closed. That said,
>> I understand you can still use Windows 7 and 8 product keys on
>> fresh Windows 10 installs. But please check that before blindly
>> wiping all your data on my say so.
>>
>> However, there is something going on here I don't like. While
>> it's certainly true that Microsoft will optimise Windows 10
>> continually, it doesn't need to pull support for Windows Updates
>> on new processors. It is still, however it's spun, trying to get
>> a greater number of people off Windows 7 and 8 and onto Windows
>> 10. I understand the business objective, I'm just not fond of
>> being held hostage over updates.
>>
>> What's more, the wording is clear that this will be an ongoing
>
> When updates stop working they stop working. MS allows/wants me to
> continue using pc after that is everyone's problem because I have no
> intention of stopping using a working pc just because it won't update. I
> have 9 pc's in house here, 1 W10 (play toy netbook), 4 Win7, 2 Vista and
> 2 XP. The XP & Vista pc's still work fine for their purpose right now
> which is for the most part serving a stereo and tv with media.
I'm with ya dude. There is no shame running classic computers
and operating systems.
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| Re: Microsoft Admits Forcing More Users Onto Windows 10 [message #339896 is a reply to message #339822] |
Mon, 20 March 2017 21:02 |
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Originally posted by: ANTant
In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt eelbash <remailer@eelbash.org> wrote:
> In article <MPG.333771f4a5556fb2989a14@news.eternal-
> september.org>
> pjp <pjpoirier_is_located@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In article <aa5173d02695328d3f7ed14e790eec9b@dizum.com>,
>> anonymous@alt.net says...
>>>
>>> < https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2017/03/17/microsoft-
>>> admits-forcing-more-users-onto-windows-10/#780fff5b780f>
>>>
>>> Microsoft is blocking Windows 7 and 8 updates on Intel's seventh
>>> generation Core i3, i5 and i7 (Kaby Lake), AMD's Ryzen (Bristol
>>> Ridge) and Qualcomm's 8996 processors. Devices powered by these
>>> processors must update to Windows 10 in order to receive updates
>>> from Microsoft.
>>>
>>> The problem will manifest only when you try to run Windows
>>> Update, when you'll see an error message: "Windows could not
>>> search for new updates" and "Code 80240037 Windows Update
>>> encountered an unknown error".
>>>
>>> Responding to a request on the subject, a spokesperson said "As
>>> new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the
>>> latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables
>>> us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon
>>> while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with
>>> previous generations of platform and silicon".
>>>
>>>
>>> And this does, in fairness to Microsoft, make some sort of
>>> sense. It wants to make sure Windows runs as well as possible on
>>> new silicon. It can do that on Windows 10 because it's a current
>>> product, and it will be installed on most new-build PCs running
>>> these processors. It makes less sense to go back and optimise
>>> Windows 7 and 8, especially as the former is now officially in
>>> "extended support", which will end in 2020. Windows 8 support
>>> ends in 2023.
>>>
>>> Additionally, while Intel Skylake processors are currently
>>> supported on Windows 7 and 8, they won't be from July. So users
>>> with those operating systems will also be forced to upgrade in
>>> order to keep updates coming. Microsoft didn't explain to me how
>>> it would charge users now the free Window is closed. That said,
>>> I understand you can still use Windows 7 and 8 product keys on
>>> fresh Windows 10 installs. But please check that before blindly
>>> wiping all your data on my say so.
>>>
>>> However, there is something going on here I don't like. While
>>> it's certainly true that Microsoft will optimise Windows 10
>>> continually, it doesn't need to pull support for Windows Updates
>>> on new processors. It is still, however it's spun, trying to get
>>> a greater number of people off Windows 7 and 8 and onto Windows
>>> 10. I understand the business objective, I'm just not fond of
>>> being held hostage over updates.
>>>
>>> What's more, the wording is clear that this will be an ongoing
>>
>> When updates stop working they stop working. MS allows/wants me to
>> continue using pc after that is everyone's problem because I have no
>> intention of stopping using a working pc just because it won't update. I
>> have 9 pc's in house here, 1 W10 (play toy netbook), 4 Win7, 2 Vista and
>> 2 XP. The XP & Vista pc's still work fine for their purpose right now
>> which is for the most part serving a stereo and tv with media.
> I'm with ya dude. There is no shame running classic computers
> and operating systems.
Ditto.
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