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What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition (128 MB) for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11? [message #334355] Fri, 16 December 2016 00:08 Go to next message
W. Neal Lewis is currently offline  W. Neal Lewis
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What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mac Edition for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11?

I normally like to have the user manual and software when I get something
(or know that I can find those items).

The card would be going into a:

Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)
Machine Model: PowerMac3,1
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.1)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 1 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB
Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 100 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1
Serial Number: SG9460FLHM1

Thanks for any help.

Neal Lewis

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Re: What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition (128 MB) for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11? [message #334393 is a reply to message #334355] Fri, 16 December 2016 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 15 Dec 2016, at 21:08:07 PM PST, Neal wrote:

> What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon
> 9000 Pro Mac Edition for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11?
-------------
Well, I have had a MDD for some time (dying so I am now using a G5)
and have had no issues, but you might start here:

http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/radeon-9000.html

Ken

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Re: What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition (128 MB) for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11? [message #334401 is a reply to message #334355] Fri, 16 December 2016 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi!

Depending on the specific Radeon 9000 card, you may need to disable pins
3 and 11 for most G4 Macs that originally included ADC ports on the
original graphics card.

Read here:
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11

If it's the Mac Edition, you may still have to check its specific
compatibility. (G5 editions may not work on G4 Macs and vice versa.)

Drivers, if needed at all (Mac OS 9.2 and 10.4 support the 9000
out-of-the-box), should be available through the Wayback Machine or at
the garden.

Cheers,
Mac User #330250

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Re: What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition (128 MB) for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11? [message #334420 is a reply to message #334401] Sat, 17 December 2016 02:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mac User #330250,

This is a sawtooth G4. The ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition (128 Mb
version) should be compatible with the computer.

I looked at the article. There should be no need to disable pins 3 and 11.

The Macintosh Garden (what there is of it) appears to be mostly games
now. The rest of it has largely vanished.

The Wayback Machine (Internet Archive) has gone far too political for me
to stomach. So thank you for the suggestion, but not going there.

I plan to check with AMD to see if the software is still available from
them.

It is rather interesting, but a very large number of the old sites have
vanished without a trace.

Any thoughts?

Neal Lewis

On 12/16/16 11:52 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Depending on the specific Radeon 9000 card, you may need to disable
> pins 3 and 11 for most G4 Macs that originally included ADC ports on
> the original graphics card.
>
> Read here:
> http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11
>
> If it's the Mac Edition, you may still have to check its specific
> compatibility. (G5 editions may not work on G4 Macs and vice versa.)
>
> Drivers, if needed at all (Mac OS 9.2 and 10.4 support the 9000
> out-of-the-box), should be available through the Wayback Machine or at
> the garden.
>
> Cheers,
> Mac User #330250
>

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Re: What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition (128 MB) for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11? [message #334421 is a reply to message #334393] Sat, 17 December 2016 02:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

It's a sawtooth Mac.

The page of information from AMD/ATI at the web site on lowendmac goes
to a non-existent page now.

I will probably need to contact the AMD User Forum for help.

Thanks for your information.

Neal

On 12/16/16 11:29 AM, Ken Daggett wrote:
>
> On 15 Dec 2016, at 21:08:07 PM PST, Neal wrote:
>
>> What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000
>> Pro Mac Edition for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11?
> -------------
> Well, I have had a MDD for some time (dying so I am now using a G5)
> and have had no issues, but you might start here:
>
> http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/radeon-9000.html
>
> Ken
>

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Re: What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition (128 MB) for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11? [message #334443 is a reply to message #334355] Sat, 17 December 2016 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 17, 2016, at 1:43 AM, W. Neal Lewis <wnlewis@southwind.net> wrote:
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> The Wayback Machine (Internet Archive) has gone far too political for me to stomach. So thank you for the suggestion, but not going there.

How can an ‘archive’ be political? It’s like a public library, it doesn’t create content, it preserves content. You’re saying it preserves the ‘wrong’ content for your personal politics?

> I plan to check with AMD to see if the software is still available from them.

You’re about a decade too late. The minute AMD bought ATI, all the old ATI software was lost, the ATI website disappeared, you couldn’t get any meaningful response from AMD. You’re gonna be outta luck here, unless you find an archive site.

> It is rather interesting, but a very large number of the old sites have vanished without a trace.

Welcome to the future. A PPC Mac isn’t going to help much here. For the price of Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition you could get an entire hackintosh that supports current software standards. I’ve been given free computers 10x as powerful as a PPC G4. From an energy usage standpoint, you could probably pay for a new computer with the energy savings alone. This is why LCD monitors replaced CRT so quickly, the energy savings alone paid for the new monitor, same as with LED lighting. A laptop provides the best flops per dollar/watt for normalized consumer use. Old 2008-2009 Mac Minis & laptops can run Sierra using Sierra Patch Tool for very reasonable prices.

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Re: What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition (128 MB) for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11? [message #334449 is a reply to message #334443] Sat, 17 December 2016 18:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are special ATI drivers needed? I used this card in an MDD in 9.2.2 and 10.4.11 with no problems. I thought the drivers were in the system software. Am I missing something?
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On Dec 17, 2016, at 1:43 AM, W. Neal Lewis <wnlewis@southwind.net> wrote:


The Wayback Machine (Internet Archive) has gone far too political for me to stomach. So thank you for the suggestion, but not going there.


How can an ‘archive’ be political? It’s like a public library, it doesn’t create content, it preserves content. You’re saying it preserves the ‘wrong’ content for your personal politics?

I plan to check with AMD to see if the software is still available from them.


You’re about a decade too late. The minute AMD bought ATI, all the old ATI software was lost, the ATI website disappeared, you couldn’t get any meaningful response from AMD. You’re gonna be outta luck here, unless you find an archive site.


It is rather interesting, but a very large number of the old sites have vanished without a trace.


Welcome to the future. A PPC Mac isn’t going to help much here. For the price of Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition you could get an entire hackintosh that supports current software standards. I’ve been given free computers 10x as powerful as a PPC G4. From an energy usage standpoint, you could probably pay for a new computer with the energy savings alone. This is why LCD monitors replaced CRT so quickly, the energy savings alone paid for the new monitor, same as with LED lighting. A laptop provides the best flops per dollar/watt for normalized consumer use. Old 2008-2009 Mac Minis & laptops can run Sierra using Sierra Patch Tool for very reasonable prices.--
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Re: What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition (128 MB) for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11? [message #334452 is a reply to message #334449] Sat, 17 December 2016 20:13 Go to previous message
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Glen,

No they aren't. However, I like to have all of the software and "stuff"
that came with with whatever I buy.

I downloaded the drivers and the manual.

From what I read on your previous E-mail the "adapter cable" is pretty
standard.

Thanks for your help,

Neal Lewis

On 12/17/16 5:33 PM, 'Glen' via G-Group wrote:
> Are special ATI drivers needed? I used this card in an MDD in 9.2.2
> and 10.4.11 with no problems. I thought the drivers were in the system
> software. Am I missing something?
>
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