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Barry Cross is currently offline  Barry Cross
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Folks

I have an Apple iMac DV that will not mount discs on its Desktop.

With a DVD in the Drive, Apple System Profiler indicates that there is ‘No
mounted media inserted’


Does anyone have any clues of how I can rectify this please?

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Re: iMac DV [message #334163 is a reply to message #334144] Tue, 13 December 2016 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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need a new drive.

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Folks

I have an Apple iMac DV that will not mount discs on its Desktop.

With a DVD in the Drive, Apple System Profiler indicates that there is 'No mounted media inserted'


Does anyone have any clues of how I can rectify this please?

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Re: iMac DV [message #334164 is a reply to message #334163] Tue, 13 December 2016 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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* Jason Johnson wrote on 2016-12-13 18:47 +0000:
>> I have an Apple iMac DV that will not mount discs on its Desktop.
>>
>> With a DVD in the Drive, Apple System Profiler indicates that there is
>> 'No mounted media inserted'
>>
>> Does anyone have any clues of how I can rectify this please?
>
> need a new drive.

I concur -- sounds like a dead drive to me.

Replacing the drive isn't too onerous in these iMacs, but you absolutely
*must* be careful with the CRT's capacitor, which can hold charge for
quite some time and will kill you if you touch it before it's
discharged. If you're going to do it yourself, it's best to leave it
turned off and unplugged for at least a fortnight before opening it up
-- tedious, but necessary for safety.

The other problem is sourcing a replacement. Looking quickly on eBay
wasn't super promising, and the drives I did see cost more than the
machine is probably worth. I guess the iMac G3 has entered the
inevitable retrocomputing phase of being quite rare and thus very
pricey.

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Re: iMac DV [message #334165 is a reply to message #334164] Tue, 13 December 2016 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think changing the drive in any of the iMacs
exposes you to any of the dangerous bits. IIRC it's just a matter of
pulling off the bottom plastic, the EMI shield, and un-plugging/unscrewing
the drive chassis to remove.

As far as sourcing a drive, you might try LEMswap and see if anyone has a
spare. I just junked a 400Mhz graphite a few weeks ago just before moving
but can't recall if I pulled the drive or not, or where on earth I would
have put it.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Mike K. <lists@koralatov.com> wrote:

> * Jason Johnson wrote on 2016-12-13 18:47 +0000:
>
>> I have an Apple iMac DV that will not mount discs on its Desktop.
>>>
>>> With a DVD in the Drive, Apple System Profiler indicates that there is
>>> 'No mounted media inserted'
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any clues of how I can rectify this please?
>>>
>>
>> need a new drive.
>>
>
> I concur -- sounds like a dead drive to me.
>
> Replacing the drive isn't too onerous in these iMacs, but you absolutely
> *must* be careful with the CRT's capacitor, which can hold charge for quite
> some time and will kill you if you touch it before it's discharged. If
> you're going to do it yourself, it's best to leave it turned off and
> unplugged for at least a fortnight before opening it up -- tedious, but
> necessary for safety.
>
> The other problem is sourcing a replacement. Looking quickly on eBay
> wasn't super promising, and the drives I did see cost more than the machine
> is probably worth. I guess the iMac G3 has entered the inevitable
> retrocomputing phase of being quite rare and thus very pricey.
>
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Re: iMac DV [message #334166 is a reply to message #334165] Tue, 13 December 2016 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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* theonetruestickman@gmail.com wrote on 2016-12-13 19:18 +0000:
> Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think changing the drive in any of the iMacs
> exposes you to any of the dangerous bits. IIRC it's just a matter of
> pulling off the bottom plastic, the EMI shield, and un-plugging/unscrewing
> the drive chassis to remove.

Look like you're right:
<http://faqintosh.com/risorse/en/guides/hw/imac/imacg3dvhd/>.

It's been a while since I've handled one of these, so my memory is
obviously playing tricks on me.

> As far as sourcing a drive, you might try LEMswap and see if anyone has
> a spare.

Good idea.

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Re: iMac DV [message #334226 is a reply to message #334144] Wed, 14 December 2016 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Insert a disc with the label oriented in a recognizable way. Wait a bit after it's in, then eject. Does the disc come out in exactly the same position? If so then the spindle motor is not working. The drive needs replaced. If you feel adventurous, the motor can be swapped from another drive that has a different problem.

Clean the lens. That will involve removing the drive from the iMac, taking its cover off then gently cleaning the lens with a cotton swab dipped in a little unscented rubbing alcohol.
If that doesn't work then the easiest course is to replace the drive.
The whole laser sled assembly may possibly be swapped from another drive, if the wires to it are not soldered at both ends. I replaced the one in an XBox 360 I was given. Cost under $8 for a brand new one off eBay. Might or might not be able to find a new one for the iMac drive.
Is your iMac DV one of the CRT models? I had one which was built with a plain CD-ROM drive. The only thing that made it a "DV" model was the Firewire port. I would've thought that a computer marketed as being intended for "Digital Video" use in the late 1990's would come with a DVD burner, at the very least a DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo. I tried to find an internal DVD burner for it but everyone wanted about 5x what the computer was worth.


From: Barry Cross <ygwerin@gmail.com>
To: Vintage Macs <vintage-macs@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:51 AM
Subject: iMac DV

FolksI have an Apple iMac DV that will not mount discs on its Desktop. With a DVD in the Drive, Apple System Profiler indicates that there is ‘No mounted media inserted’
Does anyone have any clues of how I can rectify this please?



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Re: iMac DV [message #334394 is a reply to message #334226] Fri, 16 December 2016 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Folks


Many thanks for all of the current replies.

To answer some of the points raised.


It has a DVD Drive instead of CD ROM Drive. Apple hasn’t necessarily
followed perceived logic in its models, its taken them an age to get around
to a sensible approach. Around my model they gave a hobsons choice of
burning CD’s but only reading DVD’s.

The problem is when I insert any disc in the drive, its icon does not
appear on the desktop, so there is nothing there to select and eject.

Looking at the system through the Apple System Profile, the DVD Drive is
shown, but with the message that there is quote, ‘No media inserted’

I had hoped that the disc would eject automatically when the computer
either booted up or shut down, but to no avail.

I have finally managed to remove the disc from the drive by sliding a card
into the drive under the disc, and pulling it out. This grips the
underneath of the disc and pulls its leading edge out of the drive,
enabling me to grip the disc with my fingers and pull it out.


I don’t really fancy messing about with the Mac to open it up, its not
really designed for anyone other than Apple engineers to open it without
damaging any of it. So the thought of changing drives let alone repairing
the drive itself fills me with dread, such that I don’t really fancy trying
it.

On 14 December 2016 at 05:51, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs <
vintage-macs@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Insert a disc with the label oriented in a recognizable way. Wait a bit
> after it's in, then eject. Does the disc come out in exactly the same
> position? If so then the spindle motor is not working. The drive needs
> replaced. If you feel adventurous, the motor can be swapped from another
> drive that has a different problem.
>
> Clean the lens. That will involve removing the drive from the iMac, taking
> its cover off then gently cleaning the lens with a cotton swab dipped in a
> little unscented rubbing alcohol.
>
> If that doesn't work then the easiest course is to replace the drive.
>
> The whole laser sled assembly may possibly be swapped from another drive,
> if the wires to it are not soldered at both ends. I replaced the one in an
> XBox 360 I was given. Cost under $8 for a brand new one off eBay. Might or
> might not be able to find a new one for the iMac drive.
>
> Is your iMac DV one of the CRT models? I had one which was built with a
> plain CD-ROM drive. The only thing that made it a "DV" model was the
> Firewire port. I would've thought that a computer marketed as being
> intended for "Digital Video" use in the late 1990's would come with a DVD
> burner, at the very least a DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo. I tried to find an
> internal DVD burner for it but everyone wanted about 5x what the computer
> was worth.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Barry Cross <ygwerin@gmail.com>
> *To:* Vintage Macs <vintage-macs@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:51 AM
> *Subject:* iMac DV
>
> Folks
> I have an Apple iMac DV that will not mount discs on its Desktop.
> With a DVD in the Drive, Apple System Profiler indicates that there is ‘No
> mounted media inserted’
>
> Does anyone have any clues of how I can rectify this please?
>
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Re: iMac DV [message #334395 is a reply to message #334394] Fri, 16 December 2016 11:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually, don't be intimidated to open it up.

I was just inside one the other night and I only recall 6 screws to get
unside. The bottom plastic comes off easily, just be gentle. From there
there are only 4 screws holding the hard drive cd/dvd romantic chassis in
place.

5-10 minutes and one good Phillips screwdriver is all you need!



On Dec 16, 2016 8:17 AM, "Barry Cross" <ygwerin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks
>
>
> Many thanks for all of the current replies.
>
> To answer some of the points raised.
>
>
> It has a DVD Drive instead of CD ROM Drive. Apple hasn’t necessarily
> followed perceived logic in its models, its taken them an age to get around
> to a sensible approach. Around my model they gave a hobsons choice of
> burning CD’s but only reading DVD’s.
>
> The problem is when I insert any disc in the drive, its icon does not
> appear on the desktop, so there is nothing there to select and eject.
>
> Looking at the system through the Apple System Profile, the DVD Drive is
> shown, but with the message that there is quote, ‘No media inserted’
>
> I had hoped that the disc would eject automatically when the computer
> either booted up or shut down, but to no avail.
>
> I have finally managed to remove the disc from the drive by sliding a card
> into the drive under the disc, and pulling it out. This grips the
> underneath of the disc and pulls its leading edge out of the drive,
> enabling me to grip the disc with my fingers and pull it out.
>
>
> I don’t really fancy messing about with the Mac to open it up, its not
> really designed for anyone other than Apple engineers to open it without
> damaging any of it. So the thought of changing drives let alone repairing
> the drive itself fills me with dread, such that I don’t really fancy trying
> it.
>
> On 14 December 2016 at 05:51, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs <
> vintage-macs@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Insert a disc with the label oriented in a recognizable way. Wait a bit
>> after it's in, then eject. Does the disc come out in exactly the same
>> position? If so then the spindle motor is not working. The drive needs
>> replaced. If you feel adventurous, the motor can be swapped from another
>> drive that has a different problem.
>>
>> Clean the lens. That will involve removing the drive from the iMac,
>> taking its cover off then gently cleaning the lens with a cotton swab
>> dipped in a little unscented rubbing alcohol.
>>
>> If that doesn't work then the easiest course is to replace the drive.
>>
>> The whole laser sled assembly may possibly be swapped from another drive,
>> if the wires to it are not soldered at both ends. I replaced the one in an
>> XBox 360 I was given. Cost under $8 for a brand new one off eBay. Might or
>> might not be able to find a new one for the iMac drive.
>>
>> Is your iMac DV one of the CRT models? I had one which was built with a
>> plain CD-ROM drive. The only thing that made it a "DV" model was the
>> Firewire port. I would've thought that a computer marketed as being
>> intended for "Digital Video" use in the late 1990's would come with a DVD
>> burner, at the very least a DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo. I tried to find an
>> internal DVD burner for it but everyone wanted about 5x what the computer
>> was worth.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Barry Cross <ygwerin@gmail.com>
>> *To:* Vintage Macs <vintage-macs@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:51 AM
>> *Subject:* iMac DV
>>
>> Folks
>> I have an Apple iMac DV that will not mount discs on its Desktop.
>> With a DVD in the Drive, Apple System Profiler indicates that there is
>> ‘No mounted media inserted’
>>
>> Does anyone have any clues of how I can rectify this please?
>>
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Re: iMac DV [message #334406 is a reply to message #334394] Fri, 16 December 2016 17:06 Go to previous message
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Step by step how to remove the drives. There's no danger of coming into contact with high voltage. http://www.sterpin.net/uk/imacslotinukp.htm




From: Barry Cross <ygwerin@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: iMac DV

Folks
Many thanks for all of the current replies.To answer some of the points raised.
It has a DVD Drive instead of CD ROM Drive. Apple hasn’t necessarily followed perceived logic in its models, its taken them an age to get around to a sensible approach. Around my model they gave a hobsons choice of burning CD’s but only reading DVD’s.The problem is when I insert any disc in the drive, its icon does not appear on the desktop, so there is nothing there to select and eject.Looking at the system through the Apple System Profile, the DVD Drive is shown, but with the message that there is quote, ‘No media inserted’I had hoped that the disc would eject automatically when the computer either booted up or shut down, but to no avail.I have finally managed to remove the disc from the drive by sliding a card into the drive under the disc, and pulling it out. This grips the underneath of the disc and pulls its leading edge out of the drive, enabling me to grip the disc with my fingers and pull it out.
I don’t really fancy messing about with the Mac to open it up, its not really designed for anyone other than Apple engineers to open it without damaging any of it. So the thought of changing drives let alone repairing the drive itself fills me with dread, such that I don’t really fancy trying it.




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