| Mavericks install [message #330168] |
Mon, 04 July 2016 16:26  |
Jörg Duurkoop
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Hi,
This is about an Intel MacBook but I know there is a lot of knowledge here
so I try my list.
I'm helping a lady whose white MacBook from 2009 has a damaged harddisk.
I've bought a new harddisk, put it in my Firewire dock, started the MacBook
with Alt, partitioned the new disk as GUID and then tried to re-install OSX
Mavericks from the recovery partition but then was asked for a Mac-ID and
password which I don't know. The laptop was connected to the net.
The MacBook is from a second-hand store and came without original Installer
or manual. What can I do to get the MacBook going again?
Thank you.
Best regards, Jörg.
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330170 is a reply to message #330168] |
Mon, 04 July 2016 22:10  |
Jesse StJohn
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You have to "own" an upgrade for Mavericks, which in turn you would have had to purchase mountain lion ( OS X 10.8 ). Seeing as I have had this same problem, use your own Apple ID as the hardware is legally transferable, unless you haven't owned any hardware that has had ML on it. I purchased a MBP in 2014 which had a broken hard drive, so I had to had to purchase another Mac with ML or higher on it to purchase the OS X upgrade(redundant, no?) when I went to reinstall...... The best thing to do is make yourself a bootable usb stick and install from there. However you do that, is your business .
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> On Jul 4, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Jörg Duurkoop <yawgie@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> This is about an Intel MacBook but I know there is a lot of knowledge here so I try my list.
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> I'm helping a lady whose white MacBook from 2009 has a damaged harddisk. I've bought a new harddisk, put it in my Firewire dock, started the MacBook with Alt, partitioned the new disk as GUID and then tried to re-install OSX Mavericks from the recovery partition but then was asked for a Mac-ID and password which I don't know. The laptop was connected to the net.
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> The MacBook is from a second-hand store and came without original Installer or manual. What can I do to get the MacBook going again?
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> Thank you.
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> Best regards, Jörg.
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330171 is a reply to message #330168] |
Tue, 05 July 2016 01:38 |
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On Jul 4, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Jörg Duurkoop <yawgie@gmail.com> wrote:
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> MacBook from 2009
MacBooks from 2009 should be able to run the latest Mac software, so download the latest El Capitan installer application, and install it onto the new HD. You don’t even need to wait to install the new HD, you can boot the MacBook in Firewire Target Disk mode and install onto it from one of your Macs (if you have a Mac that will run El Capitan). If you don’t have a Mac that will run El Capitan, you’d need to do it in reverse, boot the MacBook by setting your Mac into Target Disk mode, and use the Option key boot to select your Mac’s HD as the boot HD, then run the El Capitan installer application while booted via the Macbook and install El Capitan onto the MacBook.
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330173 is a reply to message #330171] |
Tue, 05 July 2016 11:26 |
Jörg Duurkoop
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Hi
Thanks seeker & Kris. I found the latest Mavericks and installed it via the
USB stick procedure. The owner of the MacBook is an older lady to whom I
had to explain very basic computer stuff so I don't want to challenge her
with a new OSX version.
After all, I found out that her corrupt HD was the result of faulty RAM so
now she gets 4GB of RAM instead of 2 and a 1 TB HD instead of 160GB. She is
very thankful. Glad I can help her.
BTW I saw loads of defective newer MacBooks Air for sale. The RAM of these
babies is soldered to the motherboard! How stupid is that?
Greetings from the Netherlands.
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330175 is a reply to message #330173] |
Tue, 05 July 2016 12:23 |
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On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Jörg Duurkoop <yawgie@gmail.com<mailto:yawgie@gmail.com>> wrote:
BTW I saw loads of defective newer MacBooks Air for sale. The RAM of these babies is soldered to the motherboard! How stupid is that?
Not uncommon at all for the ultrabook category. It’s part of how you make it so thin and Apple’s not the only one doing that. This seems unusual though, in my experience the MBA’s have been quite reliable; the ONLY failures I’ve seen here have been user-instigated, mostly dumping liquids on the kb. They seem to attract coffee spills.
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330177 is a reply to message #330173] |
Tue, 05 July 2016 12:43 |
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> BTW I saw loads of defective newer MacBooks Air for sale. The RAM of these
> babies is soldered to the motherboard! How stupid is that?
It is a sign of the times.
Chromebooks generally have soldered RAM (either 2 banks of 1 GB = 2 GB
total or 2 banks of 2 GB = 4 GB total), but some VERY OLD pre-Haswell
models have one or two DDR3 SO-DIMM slots, and these models are YEARS out
of production.
Chromeboxes, OTOH, have SO-DIMM slots, DDR3L, with everyone but HP
"stuffing" both banks, whereas HP "stuffs" only bank 0 on its Celeron
models, although bank 1 is indeed "printed". This showing of false economy
on HP's part gives its Celeron owners a choice of up to 8 GB in one stick
(one bank), and Core i owners a choice of up to 16 GB in two sticks (two
banks). Most Chromeboxes are Haswell, or Haswell-refresh.
Also, Chromebooks are now tending to move away from M.2 42mm SSDs (16 GB
or 32 GB is the most common), in favor of eMMC SSDs which are soldered.
Already, the Intel 802.11a/b/g/n/ac + BT card is being soldered.
Manufacturers would rather you did your upgrades by purchasing a new
machine, rather than incrementally adding-in low-cost devices.
Again, a sign of the times, and Apple Inc is not immune.
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330179 is a reply to message #330168] |
Tue, 05 July 2016 14:47 |
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> On Jul 5, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Jörg Duurkoop <yawgie@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The owner of the MacBook is an older lady to whom I had to explain very basic computer stuff so I don't want to challenge her with a new OSX version.
This seems like a reason to install the newer OS X version. Mavericks doesn’t utilize code signing, so the entire system software is open to malware attacks, whereas El Capitan has locked down system software, so for an older woman who doesn’t know anything, having a “hardened system” is probably a better idea.
> now she gets 4GB of RAM instead of 2 and a 1 TB HD instead of 160GB.
Seems unlikely an old woman would need a terabyte HD. For a similar price I’d think a 128GB SSD would make that old MacBook a lot faster in speed. El Capitan would work better with an SSD because of built-in TRIM support that would require a 3rd-party enabler in Mavericks.
Note that these old 2009 MacBooks are “end of life” for Apple now, with El Capitan being the final OS version supported, but there is a Sierra enabler already available to allow Sierra onto these. Sierra will come with the new Apple file system optimized for SSDs.
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330180 is a reply to message #330168] |
Tue, 05 July 2016 20:28 |
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> This seems like a reason to install the newer OS X version. Mavericks
> doesn't utilize code signing, so the entire system software is open to
> malware attacks, whereas El Capitan has locked down system software
No, Mavericks doesn't have *SIP*. Mavericks most definitely has Gatekeeper.
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330182 is a reply to message #330168] |
Tue, 05 July 2016 23:49 |
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On Jul 5, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com> wrote:
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> No, Mavericks doesn't have *SIP*.
Yes, this is what I was referring to, “System Integrity Protection” which is not available for Mavericks. System Integrity Protection (SIP), also referred to as 'rootless' is a feature of El Capitan that protects system processes, files and folders from being modified or tampered with by other processes even when executed by the root user or by a user with root privileges (sudo). Root user access can be a significant risk factor to the system's security.
This is all true, and a very good reason for an ‘old lady’ to be using El Capitan.
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330184 is a reply to message #330182] |
Wed, 06 July 2016 02:59 |
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On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 11:49:55 PM UTC-4, Kris Tilford wrote:
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> This is all true, and a very good reason for an ‘old lady’ to be using El
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Do you currently run El Capitan on a Core 2 Duo system? If so, how well
does it perform? How responsive is it?
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330186 is a reply to message #330179] |
Wed, 06 July 2016 07:55 |
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> Seems unlikely an old woman would need a terabyte HD. For a similar price
I’d think a 128GB SSD would make that old MacBook a lot faster in speed. El
Capitan would work better with an SSD because of built-in TRIM support that
would require a 3rd-party enabler in Mavericks. <
You are right about SSD. I saw a YouTube movie about that MacBook upgraded
with a 120 GB SSD HD. Apps were loading three times faster. Too late ...
But that lady has time enough. On 1 TB I can put a big chunk of my digital
movie collection for her.
And Cameron, thanks again for 10.4.Fox. It keeps my MDD alive and kickin ...
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| Re: Mavericks install [message #330188 is a reply to message #330168] |
Wed, 06 July 2016 15:32 |
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On Jul 6, 2016, at 1:59 AM, 'Irrational John' via G-Group <g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> Do you currently run El Capitan on a Core 2 Duo system? If so, how well does it perform? How responsive is it?
I have a 13” Mid-2009 MacBook Pro 2.26GHz running El Capitan with 8GB RAM & normal HD. I mean to replace the HD with an SSD soon. The limitation in my opinion is the graphics card, the nVidia GeForce 9400M has 256MB DDR3 and the display is limited to 1280x800. This is fine for most video in El Capitan, but occasionally it bogs down a tiny bit. An SSD may help this, but otherwise I notice no extreme performance issues.
The big issue recently has been some sort of SMC bug (theoretical, but lots of anecdotal evidence of similar symptoms) that causes the fan to run slow and the laptop to overheat. This model overheats easily under load, and overheating results in either a random panic (meaning the panic logs show random backtraces that are non-repeatable) or a black screen reboot without a panic log being generated. The only solution seems to be to install a 3rd-party fan manager and crank up the fan manually so the temperature remains low, then everything is ok.
Apple seems to be aware of this issue, which appear to have not existed in El Capitan 10.11.0 thru 10.11.3, and was introduced in 10.11.4 & 10.11.5. People are hoping that 10.11.6 will have a fix for this SMC bug. The reason it’s thought to be an SMC bug is that when the problem manifests, it persists over reboots, but resetting the SMC seems to eliminate the problem for a short period. This issue affects several older models of MacBook & Macbook Pro.
I also have a 2009 Mini with 8GB with El Capitan 10.11.5, no SMC problem, it’s a slight faster 2.53GHz CPU, and has the same minor graphics limitation, so occasionally it bogs on 1920x1080 video.
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