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Kenneth M. Lin
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It's amazing how different college experience is in Japan as compared to
U.S. In Japan they have to study like crazy until college entrance exam so
college is where they get to enjoy all their hard work. In contrast, in
U.S. the first two years of college is a rehash of what you were supposed to
have already learned in high school, leaving only final two years to
concentrate on your major.
At least according to mana, Japanese university students appear to spend
their entire day on club activities. They don't go to lectures but might
attend "seminars."
BTW, I recently acquired volume 1 through 19 of untranslated Genshiken from
a used book sale. This is a rather "wordy" book that takes a lot of
concentration to read so I haven't had the chance to go through them yet.
I also got a complete Hikaru no Go as well. This is an earlier work by the
artist of Death Note and involves an ancient board game.
Ken
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"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:nm0ars$6pl$1@dont-email.me...
Hi typers and readers,
That is how Oguie Maniax describes it, in the first line of the
article which is very well illustrated with various features of the
club room building. Everything but the Genshiken itself which
actually happened elsewhere.
< https://ogiuemaniax.com/2016/07/10/my-visit-to-the-genshiken -university/>
Note:followups set to manga and anime Newsgroups so you might
want to edit
any replies.
Enjoy!
bliss
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| Re: "A geek's trip to the Genshiken's university..." [message #321391 is a reply to message #321390] |
Tue, 12 July 2016 13:05 |
sellers
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On 07/12/2016 08:34 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
> It's amazing how different college experience is in Japan as compared to
> U.S. In Japan they have to study like crazy until college entrance exam
> so college is where they get to enjoy all their hard work. In contrast,
> in U.S. the first two years of college is a rehash of what you were
> supposed to have already learned in high school, leaving only final two
> years to concentrate on your major.
>
> At least according to manga, Japanese university students appear to spend
> their entire day on club activities. They don't go to lectures but
> might attend "seminars."
Actually the students in Genshiken share some class and cafeteria time.
The Genshiken seems to convene whenever enough
students are out of class. The meetings don't seem to last very
long and it is time to adjourn to the dojin shops or to the Comic
Market show or take care of the business of living.
In the classroom the women, Saki and Ohno.
In the cafeteria the protagonist Sasahara and the unsurpassable
Kousaka. As matter of fact that is where Makoto confronts Kenji to
urge him to join the Genshiken after his baseless pride has been damaged
by the doujin and figurine hazing.
We also get to see them at the festivals at matriculation where
the University clubs try to get new members.
>
> BTW, I recently acquired volume 1 through 19 of untranslated Genshiken
> from a used book sale. This is a rather "wordy" book that takes a lot
> of concentration to read so I haven't had the chance to go through them
> yet.
*If it was not a sin(inconvenience) I would envy you your capacity for
reading in the original language.
>
> I also got a complete Hikaru no Go as well. This is an earlier work by
> the artist of Death Note and involves an ancient board game.
I saw most of the anime on TV back when anime was a more popular
choice for programmers.*
>
> Ken
>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:nm0ars$6pl$1@dont-email.me...
>
> Hi typers and readers,
>
> That is how Oguie Maniax describes it, in the first line of the
> article which is very well illustrated with various features of the
> club room building. Everything but the Genshiken itself which
> actually happened elsewhere.
>
> < https://ogiuemaniax.com/2016/07/10/my-visit-to-the-genshiken -university/>
>
> Note:followups set to manga and anime Newsgroups so you might
> want to edit
> any replies.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> bliss
bliss
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| Re: "A geek's trip to the Genshiken's university..." [message #321394 is a reply to message #321391] |
Tue, 12 July 2016 21:21 |
Kenneth M. Lin
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"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:nm34fr$9er$1@dont-email.me...
On 07/12/2016 08:34 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
> It's amazing how different college experience is in Japan as compared to
> U.S. In Japan they have to study like crazy until college entrance exam
> so college is where they get to enjoy all their hard work. In contrast,
> in U.S. the first two years of college is a rehash of what you were
> supposed to have already learned in high school, leaving only final two
> years to concentrate on your major.
>
> At least according to manga, Japanese university students appear to spend
> their entire day on club activities. They don't go to lectures but
> might attend "seminars."
Actually the students in Genshiken share some class and cafeteria time.
The Genshiken seems to convene whenever enough
students are out of class. The meetings don't seem to last very
long and it is time to adjourn to the dojin shops or to the Comic
Market show or take care of the business of living.
In the classroom the women, Saki and Ohno.
In the cafeteria the protagonist Sasahara and the unsurpassable
Kousaka. As matter of fact that is where Makoto confronts Kenji to
urge him to join the Genshiken after his baseless pride has been damaged
by the doujin and figurine hazing.
We also get to see them at the festivals at matriculation where
the University clubs try to get new members.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
Okay, the only volumes I have actually read so far were the first two
volumes of Second Season (that I acquired previously) so I am not terribly
familiar with the book. Were their majors brought up? I recall in 2nd
Season some recent graduates were living near the campus.
When I was in (American) college we had classes from eight in the morning
till ten at night so it would have been very difficult to coordinate
anything if we were in different majors. Also, many manga depict college
students spending the entire final year applying for employment and no
longer have to attend classes.
Here's another college "club" manga but it's taking place in an agriculture
college. I have no ideas if it has been translated into English:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moyasimon:_Tales_of_Agricultur e
Ken
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| Re: "A geek's trip to the Genshiken's university..." [message #321395 is a reply to message #321394] |
Tue, 12 July 2016 23:26 |
sellers
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On 07/12/2016 05:21 PM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:nm34fr$9er$1@dont-email.me...
>
> On 07/12/2016 08:34 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>> It's amazing how different college experience is in Japan as compared to
>> U.S. In Japan they have to study like crazy until college entrance exam
>> so college is where they get to enjoy all their hard work. In contrast,
>> in U.S. the first two years of college is a rehash of what you were
>> supposed to have already learned in high school, leaving only final two
>> years to concentrate on your major.
Well I haven't been to college and especially not recently. ;^)
But when I was in HS we learned enough to get past college easily.
>>
>> At least according to manga, Japanese university students appear to spend
>> their entire day on club activities. They don't go to lectures but
>> might attend "seminars."
>
> Actually the students in Genshiken share some class and cafeteria time.
> The Genshiken seems to convene whenever enough
> students are out of class. The meetings don't seem to last very
> long and it is time to adjourn to the dojin shops or to the Comic
> Market show or take care of the business of living.
> In the classroom the women, Saki and Ohno.
> In the cafeteria the protagonist Sasahara and the unsurpassable
> Kousaka. As matter of fact that is where Makoto confronts Kenji to
> urge him to join the Genshiken after his baseless pride has been damaged
> by the doujin and figurine hazing.
> We also get to see them at the festivals at matriculation where
> the University clubs try to get new members.
Also I don't know too much about college life in the USA
as I never went. In the 1940s and 1950s our school life was more
like Japanese HS but without the better clubs. I started a chess
club in HS and the vice-principal was put in charge and it became
another way to force repetition down our throats. It became essentially
a chess class except for grading.
On the other hand if I had tried to start a club for comic
book fans in HS I would have been laughed out of the Principal's
Office. I was noted in HS for being a devoted Science Fiction
Fan and ridiculed because of my unorthodox POV.
>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Okay, the only volumes I have actually read so far were the first two
> volumes of Second Season (that I acquired previously) so I am not
> terribly familiar with the book. Were their majors brought up? I
> recall in 2nd Season some recent graduates were living near the campus.
Madarame was living near campus. One had a car and helped the
costume designer and Ohno to get to the events as well as the beach on
one historic occasion... Makoto stays up to talk to him on the drive
back from the beach talking pure otaku stuff.
The first 9 volumes of Genshiken are quite different from the
Genshiken Nidaime(aka Second Season). Oguie barely gets to the Club
and barely becomes successful nothing like GN where she draws a gigantic
poster of two popular with Fujoshi characters and becomes with Sasahara
help a pro-mangaka.
>
> When I was in (American) college we had classes from eight in the
> morning till ten at night so it would have been very difficult to
> coordinate anything if we were in different majors. Also, many manga
> depict college students spending the entire final year applying for
> employment and no longer have to attend classes.
Many are still working on their final written paper.
The original president has spent years gathering data for his paper.
Many were business majors. Saki is aiming at running her
own boutique, in addition she studies English intensively for purpose
of that business. In second season I think again we have business
majors but one girl is a Japanese history otaku and may have major
in that subject.
Ohno is stuck in school because of the school not accepting her
college credits from the USA.
>
> Here's another college "club" manga but it's taking place in an
> agriculture college. I have no ideas if it has been translated into
> English:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moyasimon:_Tales_of_Agricultur e
Try Moyashimon tales of agriculture to be read online.
23 translated chapters at least online.
>
> Ken
bliss
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| Re: "A geek's trip to the Genshiken's university..." [message #321516 is a reply to message #321395] |
Fri, 15 July 2016 21:14 |
Kenneth M. Lin
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"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:nm48st$7i5$1@dont-email.me...
On 07/12/2016 05:21 PM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:nm34fr$9er$1@dont-email.me...
>
> On 07/12/2016 08:34 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>> It's amazing how different college experience is in Japan as compared to
>> U.S. In Japan they have to study like crazy until college entrance exam
>> so college is where they get to enjoy all their hard work. In contrast,
>> in U.S. the first two years of college is a rehash of what you were
>> supposed to have already learned in high school, leaving only final two
>> years to concentrate on your major.
Well I haven't been to college and especially not recently. ;^)
But when I was in HS we learned enough to get past college easily.
>>>> >
As it should. I barely spoke any English when I entered college so my
experience is somewhat different from most folks but American college
students are two years behind from day one because general ed is essentially
a rehash of high school. I read that many freshmen are so unprepared for
college courses that some universities send them to community colleges for
basic writing and math courses. A marketing director once told me that she
had to take algebra three times and finally got D- so she could graduate.
Now her son is flunking math and she thinks it's all hereditary.
>>
>> At least according to manga, Japanese university students appear to spend
>> their entire day on club activities. They don't go to lectures but
>> might attend "seminars."
>
> Actually the students in Genshiken share some class and cafeteria time.
> The Genshiken seems to convene whenever enough
> students are out of class. The meetings don't seem to last very
> long and it is time to adjourn to the dojin shops or to the Comic
> Market show or take care of the business of living.
> In the classroom the women, Saki and Ohno.
> In the cafeteria the protagonist Sasahara and the unsurpassable
> Kousaka. As matter of fact that is where Makoto confronts Kenji to
> urge him to join the Genshiken after his baseless pride has been damaged
> by the doujin and figurine hazing.
> We also get to see them at the festivals at matriculation where
> the University clubs try to get new members.
Also I don't know too much about college life in the USA
as I never went. In the 1940s and 1950s our school life was more
like Japanese HS but without the better clubs. I started a chess
club in HS and the vice-principal was put in charge and it became
another way to force repetition down our throats. It became essentially
a chess class except for grading.
On the other hand if I had tried to start a club for comic
book fans in HS I would have been laughed out of the Principal's
Office. I was noted in HS for being a devoted Science Fiction
Fan and ridiculed because of my unorthodox POV.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
When I was in college in 1990s, they had anime club that met once a month to
watch copied VHS. None were subtitled and I am pretty sure that I am the
only person there that understood the dialogues.
>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Okay, the only volumes I have actually read so far were the first two
> volumes of Second Season (that I acquired previously) so I am not
> terribly familiar with the book. Were their majors brought up? I
> recall in 2nd Season some recent graduates were living near the campus.
Madarame was living near campus. One had a car and helped the
costume designer and Ohno to get to the events as well as the beach on
one historic occasion... Makoto stays up to talk to him on the drive
back from the beach talking pure otaku stuff.
The first 9 volumes of Genshiken are quite different from the
Genshiken Nidaime(aka Second Season). Oguie barely gets to the Club
and barely becomes successful nothing like GN where she draws a gigantic
poster of two popular with Fujoshi characters and becomes with Sasahara
help a pro-mangaka.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
It pays to live in a small country. You can drive all day and still not be
able to get out of State of California. I would never, ever bother to drive
to San Diego for Comic Con. Actually coming in San Francisco from East Bay
could be quite a chore sometimes as Bay Bridge is backed up even on
weekends. I tried driving to San Jose for Kinokuniya couple of times and I
was completely exhausted from stop-and-go traffic.
>
> When I was in (American) college we had classes from eight in the
> morning till ten at night so it would have been very difficult to
> coordinate anything if we were in different majors. Also, many manga
> depict college students spending the entire final year applying for
> employment and no longer have to attend classes.
Many are still working on their final written paper.
The original president has spent years gathering data for his paper.
Many were business majors. Saki is aiming at running her
own boutique, in addition she studies English intensively for purpose
of that business. In second season I think again we have business
majors but one girl is a Japanese history otaku and may have major
in that subject.
Ohno is stuck in school because of the school not accepting her
college credits from the USA.
>
> Here's another college "club" manga but it's taking place in an
> agriculture college. I have no ideas if it has been translated into
> English:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moyasimon:_Tales_of_Agricultur e
Try Moyashimon tales of agriculture to be read online.
23 translated chapters at least online.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
I liked Moyashimon at the beginning but some chapters are extremely preachy
such as when they were in France and they were talking about wine. I don't
drink much and just weren't interested in all the debate about California
wines versus French ones.
Right now I am reading some sports manga that I have never heard of.
Believe it or not, some authors specializes in sports manga and became quite
successful. Some, like Chiba Tetsuya goes from one sports to another while
others would specialize in one particular sports, such as baseball.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Chiba
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