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Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317375] Wed, 04 May 2016 05:18 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: Neo Fortune

Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years

The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc

The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program

Totally Blew My Mind Away...
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317445 is a reply to message #317375] Wed, 04 May 2016 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>
> The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>
> The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>
> Totally Blew My Mind Away...

Thanks to the incompetence of Commodore's management years ago, there's
no such things as an Amiga computer these days.

You can (or were able to) buy an "Amiga", but it's really just a
Windoze PC running an emulator, so you may as well just buy the
emulator for the computer you already have. There is / was also a brand
new operating system claiming to be "Amiga OS" you can install on a
Windoze PC (or probably a Mac). Either way it's not a true Amiga.

The only way to get a real Amiga computer these days is via second-hand
sales at places like eBay (if you're really, really lucky you might
stumble across one still in it's box that has never been opened, so
technically is "new"), but the problem is obtaining parts for them is
getting very difficult.
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317463 is a reply to message #317445] Thu, 05 May 2016 04:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Neo Fortune

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:14:06 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
> In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>>
>> The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>>
>> The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>>
>> Totally Blew My Mind Away...
>
> Thanks to the incompetence of Commodore's management years ago, there's
> no such things as an Amiga computer these days.
>
> You can (or were able to) buy an "Amiga", but it's really just a
> Windoze PC running an emulator, so you may as well just buy the
> emulator for the computer you already have. There is / was also a brand
> new operating system claiming to be "Amiga OS" you can install on a
> Windoze PC (or probably a Mac). Either way it's not a true Amiga.
>
> The only way to get a real Amiga computer these days is via second-hand
> sales at places like eBay (if you're really, really lucky you might
> stumble across one still in it's box that has never been opened, so
> technically is "new"), but the problem is obtaining parts for them is
> getting very difficult.

The Trouble With Commodore Is It's Stupidity Releasing Too Many Amiga's In A Short Space Of Time

I Had The Amiga 500 In 1989, Then An Amiga 500+, Then Shortly After An Amiga 1200, Plus A CDTV Connected To My Amiga

Commodore Should Have Licensed This Technology...

Like The PC Clones It Would Have Become Bigger Than The Biggest Thing That Ever Was Big

Unfortunately The Next Year After Commodore's Demise Bill Gates Microsoft Issued Windows 95(Chicago), And Sold It At A Cheap Price

Maybe In The Future Another Innovative Computer Will Come Along And Blow Our Minds Away Like The Amiga
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317497 is a reply to message #317463] Thu, 05 May 2016 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <35612325-f610-4b31-a18c-8151b8e4d690@googlegroups.com>, Neo
Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:14:06 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>>>
>>> The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>>>
>>> The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>>>
>>> Totally Blew My Mind Away...
>>
>> Thanks to the incompetence of Commodore's management years ago, there's
>> no such things as an Amiga computer these days.
>>
>> You can (or were able to) buy an "Amiga", but it's really just a
>> Windoze PC running an emulator, so you may as well just buy the
>> emulator for the computer you already have. There is / was also a brand
>> new operating system claiming to be "Amiga OS" you can install on a
>> Windoze PC (or probably a Mac). Either way it's not a true Amiga.
>>
>> The only way to get a real Amiga computer these days is via second-hand
>> sales at places like eBay (if you're really, really lucky you might
>> stumble across one still in it's box that has never been opened, so
>> technically is "new"), but the problem is obtaining parts for them is
>> getting very difficult.
>
> The Trouble With Commodore Is It's Stupidity Releasing Too Many Amiga's In A
> Short Space Of Time
>
> I Had The Amiga 500 In 1989, Then An Amiga 500+, Then Shortly After An Amiga
> 1200, Plus A CDTV Connected To My Amiga

Partly (and the same happened at Apple leading up to its near-demise),
but it was also due to the fact that Commodore's management didn't have
any idea what to do with the machine - was it a business tool? Was it a
home computer?? Was it a games machines??



> Commodore Should Have Licensed This Technology...
>
> Like The PC Clones It Would Have Become Bigger Than The Biggest Thing That
> Ever Was Big

Nope, that doesn't work with a hardware company (as Apple, IBM, etc.
all discovered) - it simply leads to cheaper clones stealing all your
business while you do most of the development work.

It also leads to a mess of differing parts used that means the OS
becomes bloated and has problem on some machines ... just like Windoze.

That's partly why Apple makes both the computers and the OS - it gives
them a known environment to work within.



> Unfortunately The Next Year After Commodore's Demise Bill Gates Microsoft
> Issued Windows 95(Chicago), And Sold It At A Cheap Price

And, although infinitely better than previous versions of Windoze, it
was complete crap compared to either Amiga OS or Mac OS.



> Maybe In The Future Another Innovative Computer Will Come Along And Blow
> Our Minds Away Like The Amiga

That's called Apple ... although the "computer" has become the iPhone
and then the iPad, and then whatever comes next. :-)
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317510 is a reply to message #317497] Fri, 06 May 2016 04:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Neo Fortune

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 9:59:46 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
> In article <35612325-f610-4b31-a18c-8151b8e4d690@googlegroups.com>, Neo
> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:14:06 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>>>>
>>>> The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>>>>
>>>> The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>>>>
>>>> Totally Blew My Mind Away...
>>>
>>> Thanks to the incompetence of Commodore's management years ago, there's
>>> no such things as an Amiga computer these days.
>>>
>>> You can (or were able to) buy an "Amiga", but it's really just a
>>> Windoze PC running an emulator, so you may as well just buy the
>>> emulator for the computer you already have. There is / was also a brand
>>> new operating system claiming to be "Amiga OS" you can install on a
>>> Windoze PC (or probably a Mac). Either way it's not a true Amiga.
>>>
>>> The only way to get a real Amiga computer these days is via second-hand
>>> sales at places like eBay (if you're really, really lucky you might
>>> stumble across one still in it's box that has never been opened, so
>>> technically is "new"), but the problem is obtaining parts for them is
>>> getting very difficult.
>>
>> The Trouble With Commodore Is It's Stupidity Releasing Too Many Amiga's In A
>> Short Space Of Time
>>
>> I Had The Amiga 500 In 1989, Then An Amiga 500+, Then Shortly After An Amiga
>> 1200, Plus A CDTV Connected To My Amiga
>
> Partly (and the same happened at Apple leading up to its near-demise),
> but it was also due to the fact that Commodore's management didn't have
> any idea what to do with the machine - was it a business tool? Was it a
> home computer?? Was it a games machines??
>
>
>> Commodore Should Have Licensed This Technology...
>>
>> Like The PC Clones It Would Have Become Bigger Than The Biggest Thing That
>> Ever Was Big
>
> Nope, that doesn't work with a hardware company (as Apple, IBM, etc.
> all discovered) - it simply leads to cheaper clones stealing all your
> business while you do most of the development work.
>
> It also leads to a mess of differing parts used that means the OS
> becomes bloated and has problem on some machines ... just like Windoze.
>
> That's partly why Apple makes both the computers and the OS - it gives
> them a known environment to work within.
>
>
>
>> Unfortunately The Next Year After Commodore's Demise Bill Gates Microsoft
>> Issued Windows 95(Chicago), And Sold It At A Cheap Price
>
> And, although infinitely better than previous versions of Windoze, it
> was complete crap compared to either Amiga OS or Mac OS.
>
>

I Agree!!!

I Remember In 1989 On A Computer Course At College, PC's With Windows 1.0

They Had Battlechess With The Graphics Being Pixellated, Due To No Graphics Chips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMjSweUlXAU
>> Maybe In The Future Another Innovative Computer Will Come Along And Blow
>> Our Minds Away Like The Amiga
>
> That's called Apple ... although the "computer" has become the iPhone
> and then the iPad, and then whatever comes next. :-)

Had A Go Of An IPad Mini 4, I Just Can't Stand It!!!

The Amazon Kindle Fire HD Costs A Lot Less And I Found It Pleasurable To Use

There Will Be A New Computer

I Can Just Feel It

The Apple Mac Is Over-Engineered

Plus You Can't Play Games

Another Problem Is The People Behind The VR(Virtual Reality) Oculus Rift Headset Can't Use The Apple Mac Graphics Architecture

It's Too Sluggish

A Powerful Desktop PC With Loads Of Ram, Powerful Processors, Nvidia Graphics Card Is Needed
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317525 is a reply to message #317497] Fri, 06 May 2016 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 05/05/2016 02:00 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <35612325-f610-4b31-a18c-8151b8e4d690@googlegroups.com>, Neo
> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:14:06 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>>>>
>>>> The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>>>>
>>>> The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>>>>
>>>> Totally Blew My Mind Away...
>>>
>>> Thanks to the incompetence of Commodore's management years ago, there's
>>> no such things as an Amiga computer these days.
>>>
>>> You can (or were able to) buy an "Amiga", but it's really just a
>>> Windoze PC running an emulator, so you may as well just buy the
>>> emulator for the computer you already have. There is / was also a brand
>>> new operating system claiming to be "Amiga OS" you can install on a
>>> Windoze PC (or probably a Mac). Either way it's not a true Amiga.
>>>
>>> The only way to get a real Amiga computer these days is via second-hand
>>> sales at places like eBay (if you're really, really lucky you might
>>> stumble across one still in it's box that has never been opened, so
>>> technically is "new"), but the problem is obtaining parts for them is
>>> getting very difficult.
>>
>> The Trouble With Commodore Is It's Stupidity Releasing Too Many Amiga's In A
>> Short Space Of Time
>>
>> I Had The Amiga 500 In 1989, Then An Amiga 500+, Then Shortly After An Amiga
>> 1200, Plus A CDTV Connected To My Amiga
>
> Partly (and the same happened at Apple leading up to its near-demise),
> but it was also due to the fact that Commodore's management didn't have
> any idea what to do with the machine - was it a business tool? Was it a
> home computer?? Was it a games machines??
>
>
>
>> Commodore Should Have Licensed This Technology...
>>
>> Like The PC Clones It Would Have Become Bigger Than The Biggest Thing That
>> Ever Was Big
>
> Nope, that doesn't work with a hardware company (as Apple, IBM, etc.
> all discovered) - it simply leads to cheaper clones stealing all your
> business while you do most of the development work.
>
> It also leads to a mess of differing parts used that means the OS
> becomes bloated and has problem on some machines ... just like Windoze.
>
> That's partly why Apple makes both the computers and the OS - it gives
> them a known environment to work within.
>
>
>
>> Unfortunately The Next Year After Commodore's Demise Bill Gates Microsoft
>> Issued Windows 95(Chicago), And Sold It At A Cheap Price
>
> And, although infinitely better than previous versions of Windoze, it
> was complete crap compared to either Amiga OS or Mac OS.
>
>
>
>> Maybe In The Future Another Innovative Computer Will Come Along And Blow
>> Our Minds Away Like The Amiga
>
> That's called Apple ... although the "computer" has become the iPhone
> and then the iPad, and then whatever comes next. :-)
>

Never heard of Android?
Android by the way is just a Linux made safer for the ignorant.
Linux is the way to go and you can easily(?) run an Amiga emulation
program within it if you must play old games.
PCLinuxOS and Mageia come closest to the Amiga though there
are some interesting variants out there that might attract Amigans.
I think specifically of the Linux Mangaka series which use an Japanese
comic and animation hook. And for the gamer there are extensions and
special releases like Ultimate.

The Amiga was a one time event that many people got to share.
I didn't get one until I was about 50 so it did not have the same
impact on me as on younger people. I used it avidly for my personal
self-expression until long after CBM was down the tubes. But in the
early 21st Century I shifted to Intel/AMD/MS/and Linux notebooks.

Not because I wanted to but because Amiga IP was going no
where as I had watched multiple companies fail when they tried to
exploit it.

So come up with enough cash and someone will sell you a
recent Amiga with PPC and AmigaOS 4.x. But I disagree with the
use of the PPC which its builders gave up on and the OS was
handicapped by low objectives from the start.
IMO of course.

bliss
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317549 is a reply to message #317525] Fri, 06 May 2016 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <ngiam5$hhf$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> On 05/05/2016 02:00 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <35612325-f610-4b31-a18c-8151b8e4d690@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:14:06 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>>>> In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>>>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>>>> >
>>>> > The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>>>> >
>>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>>>> >
>>>> > The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>>>> >
>>>> > Totally Blew My Mind Away...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to the incompetence of Commodore's management years ago, there's
>>>> no such things as an Amiga computer these days.
>>>>
>>>> You can (or were able to) buy an "Amiga", but it's really just a
>>>> Windoze PC running an emulator, so you may as well just buy the
>>>> emulator for the computer you already have. There is / was also a brand
>>>> new operating system claiming to be "Amiga OS" you can install on a
>>>> Windoze PC (or probably a Mac). Either way it's not a true Amiga.
>>>>
>>>> The only way to get a real Amiga computer these days is via second-hand
>>>> sales at places like eBay (if you're really, really lucky you might
>>>> stumble across one still in it's box that has never been opened, so
>>>> technically is "new"), but the problem is obtaining parts for them is
>>>> getting very difficult.
>>>
>>> The Trouble With Commodore Is It's Stupidity Releasing Too Many Amiga's In
>>> A
>>> Short Space Of Time
>>>
>>> I Had The Amiga 500 In 1989, Then An Amiga 500+, Then Shortly After An
>>> Amiga
>>> 1200, Plus A CDTV Connected To My Amiga
>>
>> Partly (and the same happened at Apple leading up to its near-demise),
>> but it was also due to the fact that Commodore's management didn't have
>> any idea what to do with the machine - was it a business tool? Was it a
>> home computer?? Was it a games machines??
>>
>>
>>
>>> Commodore Should Have Licensed This Technology...
>>>
>>> Like The PC Clones It Would Have Become Bigger Than The Biggest Thing That
>>> Ever Was Big
>>
>> Nope, that doesn't work with a hardware company (as Apple, IBM, etc.
>> all discovered) - it simply leads to cheaper clones stealing all your
>> business while you do most of the development work.
>>
>> It also leads to a mess of differing parts used that means the OS
>> becomes bloated and has problem on some machines ... just like Windoze.
>>
>> That's partly why Apple makes both the computers and the OS - it gives
>> them a known environment to work within.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Unfortunately The Next Year After Commodore's Demise Bill Gates Microsoft
>>> Issued Windows 95(Chicago), And Sold It At A Cheap Price
>>
>> And, although infinitely better than previous versions of Windoze, it
>> was complete crap compared to either Amiga OS or Mac OS.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Maybe In The Future Another Innovative Computer Will Come Along And Blow
>>> Our Minds Away Like The Amiga
>>
>> That's called Apple ... although the "computer" has become the iPhone
>> and then the iPad, and then whatever comes next. :-)
>
> Never heard of Android?

Yep, that's Google's cheap knock-off, buggy, malware-ridden copy of
Apple's iOS. ;-)



> Android by the way is just a Linux made safer for the ignorant.
> Linux is the way to go and you can easily(?) run an Amiga emulation
> program within it if you must play old games.
> PCLinuxOS and Mageia come closest to the Amiga though there
> are some interesting variants out there that might attract Amigans.
> I think specifically of the Linux Mangaka series which use an Japanese
> comic and animation hook. And for the gamer there are extensions and
> special releases like Ultimate.
>
> The Amiga was a one time event that many people got to share.
> I didn't get one until I was about 50 so it did not have the same
> impact on me as on younger people. I used it avidly for my personal
> self-expression until long after CBM was down the tubes. But in the
> early 21st Century I shifted to Intel/AMD/MS/and Linux notebooks.
>
> Not because I wanted to but because Amiga IP was going no
> where as I had watched multiple companies fail when they tried to
> exploit it.
>
> So come up with enough cash and someone will sell you a
> recent Amiga with PPC and AmigaOS 4.x. But I disagree with the
> use of the PPC which its builders gave up on and the OS was
> handicapped by low objectives from the start.
> IMO of course.

Amiga PPC is not a real "Amiga". The real Amiga was a computer with
specific unique hardware, not a crappy general PC box full of
off-the-shelf parts. It was that hardware that made the Amiga special.

The Amiga OS is not a real Amiga either, although it was part of the
whole "Amiga experience". Putting Amiga OS on a crappy Windoze box is a
half-hearted attempt to recapture the past, and like Hollyweird's
idiots "reboot" fad, it's doesn't work.
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317550 is a reply to message #317510] Fri, 06 May 2016 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <5aa9a427-17e6-41b6-aa5b-ce1bf9e1fd90@googlegroups.com>, Neo
Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 9:59:46 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <35612325-f610-4b31-a18c-8151b8e4d690@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:14:06 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>>>> In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>>>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>>>> >
>>>> > The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>>>> >
>>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>>>> >
>>>> > The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>>>> >
>>>> > Totally Blew My Mind Away...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to the incompetence of Commodore's management years ago, there's
>>>> no such things as an Amiga computer these days.
>>>>
>>>> You can (or were able to) buy an "Amiga", but it's really just a
>>>> Windoze PC running an emulator, so you may as well just buy the
>>>> emulator for the computer you already have. There is / was also a brand
>>>> new operating system claiming to be "Amiga OS" you can install on a
>>>> Windoze PC (or probably a Mac). Either way it's not a true Amiga.
>>>>
>>>> The only way to get a real Amiga computer these days is via second-hand
>>>> sales at places like eBay (if you're really, really lucky you might
>>>> stumble across one still in it's box that has never been opened, so
>>>> technically is "new"), but the problem is obtaining parts for them is
>>>> getting very difficult.
>>>
>>> The Trouble With Commodore Is It's Stupidity Releasing Too Many Amiga's
>>> In A
>>> Short Space Of Time
>>>
>>> I Had The Amiga 500 In 1989, Then An Amiga 500+, Then Shortly After An
>>> Amiga
>>> 1200, Plus A CDTV Connected To My Amiga
>>
>> Partly (and the same happened at Apple leading up to its near-demise),
>> but it was also due to the fact that Commodore's management didn't have
>> any idea what to do with the machine - was it a business tool? Was it a
>> home computer?? Was it a games machines??
>>
>>
>>> Commodore Should Have Licensed This Technology...
>>>
>>> Like The PC Clones It Would Have Become Bigger Than The Biggest Thing That
>>> Ever Was Big
>>
>> Nope, that doesn't work with a hardware company (as Apple, IBM, etc.
>> all discovered) - it simply leads to cheaper clones stealing all your
>> business while you do most of the development work.
>>
>> It also leads to a mess of differing parts used that means the OS
>> becomes bloated and has problem on some machines ... just like Windoze.
>>
>> That's partly why Apple makes both the computers and the OS - it gives
>> them a known environment to work within.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Unfortunately The Next Year After Commodore's Demise Bill Gates Microsoft
>>> Issued Windows 95(Chicago), And Sold It At A Cheap Price
>>
>> And, although infinitely better than previous versions of Windoze, it
>> was complete crap compared to either Amiga OS or Mac OS.
>>
>>
>
> I Agree!!!
>
> I Remember In 1989 On A Computer Course At College, PC's With Windows 1.0
>
> They Had Battlechess With The Graphics Being Pixellated, Due To No Graphics
> Chips
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMjSweUlXAU
>>> Maybe In The Future Another Innovative Computer Will Come Along And Blow
>>> Our Minds Away Like The Amiga
>>
>> That's called Apple ... although the "computer" has become the iPhone
>> and then the iPad, and then whatever comes next. :-)
>
> Had A Go Of An IPad Mini 4, I Just Can't Stand It!!!
>
> The Amazon Kindle Fire HD Costs A Lot Less And I Found It Pleasurable To Use

Kindle isn't a real computer ... it's a slightly enhanced ebook reader.



> There Will Be A New Computer
>
> I Can Just Feel It
>
> The Apple Mac Is Over-Engineered

Over-designed, yes to some degree, not over-engineered. Jonny Ive's
incessant chase for ever-thinner is idiotic and annoying, especially in
an desktop iMac.




> Plus You Can't Play Games

Bollocks. Of course you can play games on a Mac. There's thousands of
them on Apple's App Store and other webstores. The "problem" is that
very few high-street stores have them on the shelves.

Mac versions of Windoze games also tend to have better graphics and
include the extra expansion packs free that was released as pay-for for
Windoze users.




> Another Problem Is The People Behind The VR(Virtual Reality) Oculus Rift
> Headset Can't Use The Apple Mac Graphics Architecture

VR is crap. It makes many people motion sick, so isn't ever going to be
more than a passing / niche fad.



> It's Too Sluggish
>
> A Powerful Desktop PC With Loads Of Ram, Powerful Processors, Nvidia
> Graphics Card Is Needed

Bollocks. That's just Oculus Rift being too hopeless to know how to
actually use or program a Mac ... just like most of the companies and
people out there.
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317562 is a reply to message #317549] Fri, 06 May 2016 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 05/06/2016 03:49 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <ngiam5$hhf$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers
> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> On 05/05/2016 02:00 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <35612325-f610-4b31-a18c-8151b8e4d690@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:14:06 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>>>> > In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>>>> > Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>>>> >>
>>>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Totally Blew My Mind Away...
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks to the incompetence of Commodore's management years ago, there's
>>>> > no such things as an Amiga computer these days.
>>>> >
>>>> > You can (or were able to) buy an "Amiga", but it's really just a
>>>> > Windoze PC running an emulator, so you may as well just buy the
>>>> > emulator for the computer you already have. There is / was also a brand
>>>> > new operating system claiming to be "Amiga OS" you can install on a
>>>> > Windoze PC (or probably a Mac). Either way it's not a true Amiga.
>>>> >
>>>> > The only way to get a real Amiga computer these days is via second-hand
>>>> > sales at places like eBay (if you're really, really lucky you might
>>>> > stumble across one still in it's box that has never been opened, so
>>>> > technically is "new"), but the problem is obtaining parts for them is
>>>> > getting very difficult.
>>>>
>>>> The Trouble With Commodore Is It's Stupidity Releasing Too Many Amiga's In
>>>> A
>>>> Short Space Of Time
>>>>
>>>> I Had The Amiga 500 In 1989, Then An Amiga 500+, Then Shortly After An
>>>> Amiga
>>>> 1200, Plus A CDTV Connected To My Amiga
>>>
>>> Partly (and the same happened at Apple leading up to its near-demise),
>>> but it was also due to the fact that Commodore's management didn't have
>>> any idea what to do with the machine - was it a business tool? Was it a
>>> home computer?? Was it a games machines??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Commodore Should Have Licensed This Technology...
>>>>
>>>> Like The PC Clones It Would Have Become Bigger Than The Biggest Thing That
>>>> Ever Was Big
>>>
>>> Nope, that doesn't work with a hardware company (as Apple, IBM, etc.
>>> all discovered) - it simply leads to cheaper clones stealing all your
>>> business while you do most of the development work.
>>>
>>> It also leads to a mess of differing parts used that means the OS
>>> becomes bloated and has problem on some machines ... just like Windoze.
>>>
>>> That's partly why Apple makes both the computers and the OS - it gives
>>> them a known environment to work within.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately The Next Year After Commodore's Demise Bill Gates Microsoft
>>>> Issued Windows 95(Chicago), And Sold It At A Cheap Price
>>>
>>> And, although infinitely better than previous versions of Windoze, it
>>> was complete crap compared to either Amiga OS or Mac OS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Maybe In The Future Another Innovative Computer Will Come Along And Blow
>>>> Our Minds Away Like The Amiga
>>>
>>> That's called Apple ... although the "computer" has become the iPhone
>>> and then the iPad, and then whatever comes next. :-)
>>
>> Never heard of Android?
>
> Yep, that's Google's cheap knock-off, buggy, malware-ridden copy of
> Apple's iOS. ;-)
>
>
>
>> Android by the way is just a Linux made safer for the ignorant.
>> Linux is the way to go and you can easily(?) run an Amiga emulation
>> program within it if you must play old games.
>> PCLinuxOS and Mageia come closest to the Amiga though there
>> are some interesting variants out there that might attract Amigans.
>> I think specifically of the Linux Mangaka series which use an Japanese
>> comic and animation hook. And for the gamer there are extensions and
>> special releases like Ultimate.
>>
>> The Amiga was a one time event that many people got to share.
>> I didn't get one until I was about 50 so it did not have the same
>> impact on me as on younger people. I used it avidly for my personal
>> self-expression until long after CBM was down the tubes. But in the
>> early 21st Century I shifted to Intel/AMD/MS/and Linux notebooks.
>>
>> Not because I wanted to but because Amiga IP was going no
>> where as I had watched multiple companies fail when they tried to
>> exploit it.
>>
>> So come up with enough cash and someone will sell you a
>> recent Amiga with PPC and AmigaOS 4.x. But I disagree with the
>> use of the PPC which its builders gave up on and the OS was
>> handicapped by low objectives from the start.
>> IMO of course.
>
> Amiga PPC is not a real "Amiga". The real Amiga was a computer with
> specific unique hardware, not a crappy general PC box full of
> off-the-shelf parts. It was that hardware that made the Amiga special.
>
> The Amiga OS is not a real Amiga either, although it was part of the
> whole "Amiga experience". Putting Amiga OS on a crappy Windoze box is a
> half-hearted attempt to recapture the past, and like Hollyweird's
> idiots "reboot" fad, it's doesn't work.

You guys sound just like the ignorant gamers who never wanted
to learn about the Amiga OS or its internals.
A Windows box does not have to be crappy but you will never
bother to learn trapped in a dream of the Amiga of your youth.

bliss
>
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In article <ngjaud$7ib$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> You guys sound just like the ignorant gamers who never wanted
> to learn about the Amiga OS or its internals.
> A Windows box does not have to be crappy but you will never
> bother to learn trapped in a dream of the Amiga of your youth.

*ANY* computer with Microsloth's badly programmed, half-assed,
malware-ridden garbage installed on it is unbelievably crappy, by
definition. That's Rule #1 in the "IT Bible" :-p

To quote the author of "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" ...

"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in
shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of
technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it
was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led
them into it in the first place."

- Douglas Adams
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On 05/06/2016 06:52 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <ngjaud$7ib$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers
> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>> You guys sound just like the ignorant gamers who never wanted
>> to learn about the Amiga OS or its internals.
>> A Windows box does not have to be crappy but you will never
>> bother to learn trapped in a dream of the Amiga of your youth.
>
> *ANY* computer with Microsloth's badly programmed, half-assed,
> malware-ridden garbage installed on it is unbelievably crappy, by
> definition. That's Rule #1 in the "IT Bible" :-p
>
> To quote the author of "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" ...
>
> "The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in
> shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of
> technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it
> was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led
> them into it in the first place."
>
> - Douglas Adams


Well when you can turn second rate tech as with the MBR and
cheap Quick and Dirty DOS into a world seller you must have something
going for you if only good luck in that the people who might have sold
CP/M 86 to IBM could not handle corporate requirements. And with the
fortune he made Gates is now the world's largest philanthropist so
don't throw too many rocks at the Gates of Hell as we used to call
the salesman for the Mighty Slippery Operating System.


But I just took a Dell Latitude e6420 and managed to get
a very Amiga-like system installed and the used machine cost 100
USD with a 4 core i7.

Took me a while but I broke it to my will and there is
no Amiga that could keep up with it for the things I do with my
computers.

Oh and I call Windows 7-10 Microsoft's colorful program
launcher. I hate to use it because from Amiga to Linux we have
Operating Systems but for the Microsoft it does a poor job of
launching programs or protecting the users's data.

It has really been fun to dispute with you as in the
old days when the Usenet was the hottest part of the WWW
I avoided the advocacy groups because they are full of the
same sort of BS you are purveying here.

bliss
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317570 is a reply to message #317569] Sat, 07 May 2016 01:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <ngjtpd$a3q$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> On 05/06/2016 06:52 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <ngjaud$7ib$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers
>> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You guys sound just like the ignorant gamers who never wanted
>>> to learn about the Amiga OS or its internals.
>>> A Windows box does not have to be crappy but you will never
>>> bother to learn trapped in a dream of the Amiga of your youth.
>>
>> *ANY* computer with Microsloth's badly programmed, half-assed,
>> malware-ridden garbage installed on it is unbelievably crappy, by
>> definition. That's Rule #1 in the "IT Bible" :-p
>>
>> To quote the author of "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" ...
>>
>> "The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in
>> shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of
>> technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it
>> was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led
>> them into it in the first place."
>>
>> - Douglas Adams
>
> Well when you can turn second rate tech as with the MBR and
> cheap Quick and Dirty DOS into a world seller you must have something
> going for you if only good luck in that the people who might have sold
> CP/M 86 to IBM could not handle corporate requirements. And with the
> fortune he made Gates is now the world's largest philanthropist so
> don't throw too many rocks at the Gates of Hell as we used to call
> the salesman for the Mighty Slippery Operating System.

Bill Gates simply had the ability and was in the right place at the
right time to greedily con far too any people into buying "his" crap
.... all of which has been bought or stolen from other people /
companies, and then ruined. He's nothing but a conman, bully, and thief
who can't actually program a computer and has the charisma of a
squashed dog poo.

His current so-called "philanthropy" is nothing more than a last ditch
attempt to make himself look good for the history books, and only after
being constantly nagged by his wife into doing it.




> But I just took a Dell Latitude e6420 and managed to get
> a very Amiga-like system installed and the used machine cost 100
> USD with a 4 core i7.
>
> Took me a while but I broke it to my will and there is
> no Amiga that could keep up with it for the things I do with my
> computers.

A real Amiga wasn't just a piece of software shovelled onto a
shop-shelf Windoze box. The Amiga was a unique collection of hardware
combined with software, that in many ways today's computers have only
just about caught up with ... Macs anyway ... Windoze is, as always,
still about trying (and failing) to copy Apple's stuff from 20 years
ago.



> Oh and I call Windows 7-10 Microsoft's colorful program
> launcher. I hate to use it because from Amiga to Linux we have
> Operating Systems but for the Microsoft it does a poor job of
> launching programs or protecting the users's data.
>
> It has really been fun to dispute with you as in the
> old days when the Usenet was the hottest part of the WWW
> I avoided the advocacy groups because they are full of the
> same sort of BS you are purveying here.

Microsloth does a "poor job" at everything they've ever produced. About
the only potential exception is the Xbox games console (and technically
it's basically a PowerPC computer, so pretty much a 15-year old Mac in
a different case). I wouldn't be surprised if Microsloth never actually
made that, but simply subsumed some other small company and, in a rare
case of intelligence, left them to work by themselves rather than
interfering.
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On 05/06/2016 10:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <ngjtpd$a3q$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers
> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

snip

>>
>> It has really been fun to dispute with you as in the
>> old days when the Usenet was the hottest part of the WWW
>> I avoided the advocacy groups because they are full of the
>> same sort of BS you are purveying here.
>
> Microsloth does a "poor job" at everything they've ever produced. About
> the only potential exception is the Xbox games console (and technically
> it's basically a PowerPC computer, so pretty much a 15-year old Mac in
> a different case). I wouldn't be surprised if Microsloth never actually
> made that, but simply subsumed some other small company and, in a rare
> case of intelligence, left them to work by themselves rather than
> interfering.
>
Apparently MS has been unable to keep its nose out of the
XBox according to a person I know of who used to use for computing
as well as games and have ignored the users to focus on deducting
capability so that it is much harder to run Linux or to do useful
work.

As for the Amiga, Jay Miner and the rest of the Amiga heroes
who designed and built first a bunch of breadboards to provide the
Amiga with the capabilities it had then. Now-a-days you can buy
better hardware off the shelf with AMD or Intel, nVidia or Radion.
in the big box size or miniaturized for the notebooks and laptops.
But the Amiga was great for its time and I remember reading about
it and salivating over the prospect of so many Megabytes of RAM and
a higher resolution than was available on other consumer marketed
computers.
Oh and I was reading the magazines because I was trying to
deal with the the C=64 then the C=128/64. I tried a big desktop
PC-DOS machine and was turned off by it while I learned to write
and edit the batch file. That came in useful when I moved on to
the Amiga Startup scripts.

bliss
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317656 is a reply to message #317594] Sun, 08 May 2016 03:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <ngl0ge$hqj$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> On 05/06/2016 10:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <ngjtpd$a3q$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers
>> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> snip
>>>
>>> It has really been fun to dispute with you as in the
>>> old days when the Usenet was the hottest part of the WWW
>>> I avoided the advocacy groups because they are full of the
>>> same sort of BS you are purveying here.
>>
>> Microsloth does a "poor job" at everything they've ever produced. About
>> the only potential exception is the Xbox games console (and technically
>> it's basically a PowerPC computer, so pretty much a 15-year old Mac in
>> a different case). I wouldn't be surprised if Microsloth never actually
>> made that, but simply subsumed some other small company and, in a rare
>> case of intelligence, left them to work by themselves rather than
>> interfering.
>
> Apparently MS has been unable to keep its nose out of the
> XBox according to a person I know of who used to use for computing
> as well as games and have ignored the users to focus on deducting
> capability so that it is much harder to run Linux or to do useful
> work.
>
> As for the Amiga, Jay Miner and the rest of the Amiga heroes
> who designed and built first a bunch of breadboards to provide the
> Amiga with the capabilities it had then. Now-a-days you can buy
> better hardware off the shelf with AMD or Intel, nVidia or Radion.
> in the big box size or miniaturized for the notebooks and laptops.
> But the Amiga was great for its time and I remember reading about
> it and salivating over the prospect of so many Megabytes of RAM and
> a higher resolution than was available on other consumer marketed
> computers.

But simply installing the AmigaOS on standard Windoze PC doesn't
actually make it an Amiga. Installing Mac OS X on a standard Windoze PC
doesn't make it a Macintosh either - at best it's a "Hackintosh", so
maybe a Windoze PC running AmigaOS should be called a "Hackmiga". :-p

It's even less an Amiga if the Windoze PC is just running an emulator
.... I can run numerous different emulators on my Mac for old computers,
games consoles, etc., but it's still a Mac.
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In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>
> The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>
> The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>
> Totally Blew My Mind Away...

This was in a recent issue of the Commodore Free ezine from
http://www.commodorefree.com . Probably not technically a "new" Amiga
(I haven't checked to see what "remanufactured" actually means), but
likely as close as you'll get to one these days, if the project is
going ahead ...

Amiga reloaded
--------------
Like the Commodore 64 Reloaded (a Remanufactured
Commodore 64 motherboard), Individual Computers
is developing a Remanufactured Amiga motherboard.
Features include:
- Form factor: A500 housing.
- Chipset: AGA chips Al- ice, Lisa and Paula.
- CPU: A1200-compatible CPU slot.
- Power supply: 14-19 VDC.
- Video: RGB 15 kHz / Indivision AGA MK2.
- Audio: 3.5mm stereo plug.
- Keyboard: A500 / A1200.
- ROM: 1 MB flash ROM.
- Floppy Disk: PC disk drive: IO Subsystem 32-bit, 14MB/s.
- Storage: 2 CF - Cards.

Wiki http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/Amiga_reloaded
Website https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/news.html

There are also various small companies and individuals making new cases
and parts for various Amiga models, but they tend to come and go (or
fail to get started), so aren't really that reliable.
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317729 is a reply to message #317657] Mon, 09 May 2016 05:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Neo Fortune

On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 8:27:28 AM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
> In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>>
>> The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>>
>> The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>>
>> Totally Blew My Mind Away...
>
> This was in a recent issue of the Commodore Free ezine from
> http://www.commodorefree.com . Probably not technically a "new" Amiga
> (I haven't checked to see what "remanufactured" actually means), but
> likely as close as you'll get to one these days, if the project is
> going ahead ...
>
> Amiga reloaded
> --------------
> Like the Commodore 64 Reloaded (a Remanufactured
> Commodore 64 motherboard), Individual Computers
> is developing a Remanufactured Amiga motherboard.
> Features include:
> - Form factor: A500 housing.
> - Chipset: AGA chips Al- ice, Lisa and Paula.
> - CPU: A1200-compatible CPU slot.
> - Power supply: 14-19 VDC.
> - Video: RGB 15 kHz / Indivision AGA MK2.
> - Audio: 3.5mm stereo plug.
> - Keyboard: A500 / A1200.
> - ROM: 1 MB flash ROM.
> - Floppy Disk: PC disk drive: IO Subsystem 32-bit, 14MB/s.
> - Storage: 2 CF - Cards.
>
> Wiki http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/Amiga_reloaded
> Website https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/news.html
>
> There are also various small companies and individuals making new cases
> and parts for various Amiga models, but they tend to come and go (or
> fail to get started), so aren't really that reliable.

Have You Seen The New ZX Spectrum Vega Plus Console, An Handheld Version With Over 1,000 Games.

The Spectrum 48K Was My Favourite Games Machine Before The Amiga 500

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-sinclair-zx-spectrum- vega-plus-console#/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Retro-Computers-SCZXSV-Sinclair-Spe ctrum/dp/B013BC7IR6
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In article <7ddfb59d-35af-4849-8777-ae86fb14bd3b@googlegroups.com>, Neo
Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 8:27:28 AM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>>>
>>> The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>>>
>>> The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>>>
>>> Totally Blew My Mind Away...
>>
>> This was in a recent issue of the Commodore Free ezine from
>> http://www.commodorefree.com . Probably not technically a "new" Amiga
>> (I haven't checked to see what "remanufactured" actually means), but
>> likely as close as you'll get to one these days, if the project is
>> going ahead ...
>>
>> Amiga reloaded
>> --------------
>> Like the Commodore 64 Reloaded (a Remanufactured
>> Commodore 64 motherboard), Individual Computers
>> is developing a Remanufactured Amiga motherboard.
>> Features include:
>> - Form factor: A500 housing.
>> - Chipset: AGA chips Al- ice, Lisa and Paula.
>> - CPU: A1200-compatible CPU slot.
>> - Power supply: 14-19 VDC.
>> - Video: RGB 15 kHz / Indivision AGA MK2.
>> - Audio: 3.5mm stereo plug.
>> - Keyboard: A500 / A1200.
>> - ROM: 1 MB flash ROM.
>> - Floppy Disk: PC disk drive: IO Subsystem 32-bit, 14MB/s.
>> - Storage: 2 CF - Cards.
>>
>> Wiki http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/Amiga_reloaded
>> Website https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/news.html
>>
>> There are also various small companies and individuals making new cases
>> and parts for various Amiga models, but they tend to come and go (or
>> fail to get started), so aren't really that reliable.
>
> Have You Seen The New ZX Spectrum Vega Plus Console, An Handheld Version With
> Over 1,000 Games.
>
> The Spectrum 48K Was My Favourite Games Machine Before The Amiga 500
>
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-sinclair-zx-spectrum- vega-plus-console#/
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Retro-Computers-SCZXSV-Sinclair-Spe ctrum/dp/B013BC7IR6

Like all Sinclair's garbage (everything he ever made was crap,
Britain's version of Bully Gates!), the Spectrum was a hopeless, cheap
'n' nasty toy pretending to be a computer.

If you want a proper retro-computer games console to plug into your TV,
get the real thing ... The Multiple Classic Computer. You can play
games from various old computers (C64, Amiga, even Atari and crappy
Sinclair if you must).
http://www.mcc-home.com or http://www.arcaderetrogaming.com

Or there's the handheld C64 games console:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-64-computer-and-handh eld-console

Or there's the handheld Amiga games consoles:
http://www.armigaproject.com
https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pandora/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPS4DKqHxU
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Originally posted by: Neo Fortune

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:02:21 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
> In article <7ddfb59d-35af-4849-8777-ae86fb14bd3b@googlegroups.com>, Neo
> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 8:27:28 AM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <65ec51a5-9d32-494c-8dd0-2fcef23a1c84@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just Wondering As I Have Not Had An Amiga For 15 Years
>>>>
>>>> The First Game I Played Was Sword of Sodan
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sMJq_Xxnjc
>>>>
>>>> The First Magazine Disk Had A Mandlebrot Fractal Program
>>>>
>>>> Totally Blew My Mind Away...
>>>
>>> This was in a recent issue of the Commodore Free ezine from
>>> http://www.commodorefree.com . Probably not technically a "new" Amiga
>>> (I haven't checked to see what "remanufactured" actually means), but
>>> likely as close as you'll get to one these days, if the project is
>>> going ahead ...
>>>
>>> Amiga reloaded
>>> --------------
>>> Like the Commodore 64 Reloaded (a Remanufactured
>>> Commodore 64 motherboard), Individual Computers
>>> is developing a Remanufactured Amiga motherboard.
>>> Features include:
>>> - Form factor: A500 housing.
>>> - Chipset: AGA chips Al- ice, Lisa and Paula.
>>> - CPU: A1200-compatible CPU slot.
>>> - Power supply: 14-19 VDC.
>>> - Video: RGB 15 kHz / Indivision AGA MK2.
>>> - Audio: 3.5mm stereo plug.
>>> - Keyboard: A500 / A1200.
>>> - ROM: 1 MB flash ROM.
>>> - Floppy Disk: PC disk drive: IO Subsystem 32-bit, 14MB/s.
>>> - Storage: 2 CF - Cards.
>>>
>>> Wiki http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/Amiga_reloaded
>>> Website https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/news.html
>>>
>>> There are also various small companies and individuals making new cases
>>> and parts for various Amiga models, but they tend to come and go (or
>>> fail to get started), so aren't really that reliable.
>>
>> Have You Seen The New ZX Spectrum Vega Plus Console, An Handheld Version With
>> Over 1,000 Games.
>>
>> The Spectrum 48K Was My Favourite Games Machine Before The Amiga 500
>>
>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-sinclair-zx-spectrum- vega-plus-console#/
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Retro-Computers-SCZXSV-Sinclair-Spe ctrum/dp/B013BC7IR6
>
> Like all Sinclair's garbage (everything he ever made was crap,
> Britain's version of Bully Gates!), the Spectrum was a hopeless, cheap
> 'n' nasty toy pretending to be a computer.
>
> If you want a proper retro-computer games console to plug into your TV,
> get the real thing ... The Multiple Classic Computer. You can play
> games from various old computers (C64, Amiga, even Atari and crappy
> Sinclair if you must).
> http://www.mcc-home.com or http://www.arcaderetrogaming.com
>
> Or there's the handheld C64 games console:
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-64-computer-and-handh eld-console
>
> Or there's the handheld Amiga games consoles:
> http://www.armigaproject.com
> https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pandora/
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPS4DKqHxU

The Spectrum Was Brilliant...

So Much Fun:-)

I Would Like A Small Amiga Connected To The TV With The Ports For A Joystick And Mouse

You Can Attach A Keyboard Via The USB Port

The Old Games Should Cost £5 Each

My Favourite Amiga Games Are Civilisation, Elite, Populous, The Settlers

Maybe Developers Could Produce New Games

I Can't Stand The Modern Consoles/Games
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317839 is a reply to message #317550] Tue, 10 May 2016 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Ryan P.

On 5/6/2016 5:55 PM, Your Name wrote:

>> Another Problem Is The People Behind The VR(Virtual Reality) Oculus Rift
>> Headset Can't Use The Apple Mac Graphics Architecture
>
> VR is crap. It makes many people motion sick, so isn't ever going to be
> more than a passing / niche fad.

{snip}

I think its a matter of exposure to the technology. Most people get
motion sick on boats the first few times they are exposed to rough water.

I don't know if Oculus Rift will be the one to do it, but eventually VR
will be a relatively common home entertainment product, like a
PlayStation or XBox.

And when that happens, the episode of Sliders where the population
crashed because nobody wanted to meet in real life will become prophetic!
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317840 is a reply to message #317807] Tue, 10 May 2016 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Ryan P.

On 5/10/2016 4:02 AM, Neo Fortune wrote:

> I Can't Stand The Modern Consoles/Games

That's because (with rare exception) most modern games are produced to
be eye candy rather than a rich gaming experience.

Of course, if we're all honest, strategy games (such as Populous and
Civilzation) just aren't as much fun on a console without a mouse.

Even Plants vs Zombies... Its a pain to play with a joy pad.
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317867 is a reply to message #317807] Tue, 10 May 2016 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <f475ee35-bd7a-40fc-b69a-458ea1124099@googlegroups.com>, Neo
Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:02:21 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>>
>> Like all Sinclair's garbage (everything he ever made was crap,
>> Britain's version of Bully Gates!), the Spectrum was a hopeless, cheap
>> 'n' nasty toy pretending to be a computer.
>>
>> If you want a proper retro-computer games console to plug into your TV,
>> get the real thing ... The Multiple Classic Computer. You can play
>> games from various old computers (C64, Amiga, even Atari and crappy
>> Sinclair if you must).
>> http://www.mcc-home.com or http://www.arcaderetrogaming.com
>>
>> Or there's the handheld C64 games console:
>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-64-computer-and-handh eld-console
>>
>> Or there's the handheld Amiga games consoles:
>> http://www.armigaproject.com
>> https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pandora/
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPS4DKqHxU
>
> The Spectrum Was Brilliant...
>
> So Much Fun:-)

Nope, it was complete crap ... crappy design, crappy keyboard, crappy
chip, crappy way of "typing" when programming (press three keys to get
the "If" statement), ... it was a toy for kids bought by people who
couldn't afford a real computer or didn't know what a real computer was
and were conned by a salesdroid.



> I Would Like A Small Amiga Connected To The TV With The Ports For A Joystick
> And Mouse

MCC
http://www.mcc-home.com



> You Can Attach A Keyboard Via The USB Port

Not sure if the MCC can use a keyboard. You could instead get a crappy
Raspberry Pi and install an Amiga emulator.



> The Old Games Should Cost £5 Each
>
> My Favourite Amiga Games Are Civilisation, Elite, Populous, The Settlers

You can buy game packs for the MCC, but I haven't looked to see what is
available.

For the Raspberry Pi emulation you can simply download any of the
numerous games available for free on the internet (some legally, some
not).



> Maybe Developers Could Produce New Games

There are still a few people developing games for the Amiga, as well as
people making new games for the even older Vic 20 and C64. You can read
the news at Commodore Free http://commodorefree.com



> I Can't Stand The Modern Consoles/Games

I've never used one, but I hate the fact that almost all games these
days are silly 3D and first / third person games ... not only is that
incredibly boring and lacking the variety of "yesteryear", but they
also make me very motion sick extremely quickly. The silly fad of VR is
only going to make this lazy developing even worse. :-(
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317868 is a reply to message #317840] Tue, 10 May 2016 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <ngt0o1$go8$1@dont-email.me>, Ryan P. <ryannewguy@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 5/10/2016 4:02 AM, Neo Fortune wrote:
>>
>> I Can't Stand The Modern Consoles/Games
>
> That's because (with rare exception) most modern games are produced to
> be eye candy rather than a rich gaming experience.
>
> Of course, if we're all honest, strategy games (such as Populous and
> Civilzation) just aren't as much fun on a console without a mouse.
>
> Even Plants vs Zombies... Its a pain to play with a joy pad.

The real gaming these days has been on iOS and Android handhelds
(smartphone, iPod touch, etc.) because until recently they simply
didn't have the graphics power to lazily make boring 3D first / third
person clones. Unfortunately that's changing fast as new, more powerful
devices are released and the "must be 3D" infection is spreading. :-(
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317869 is a reply to message #317839] Tue, 10 May 2016 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <ngt033$e1t$1@dont-email.me>, Ryan P. <ryannewguy@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 5/6/2016 5:55 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> Another Problem Is The People Behind The VR(Virtual Reality) Oculus Rift
>>> Headset Can't Use The Apple Mac Graphics Architecture
>>
>> VR is crap. It makes many people motion sick, so isn't ever going to be
>> more than a passing / niche fad.
>
> {snip}
>
> I think its a matter of exposure to the technology. Most people get
> motion sick on boats the first few times they are exposed to rough water.

In some cases yea, but in others no.



> I don't know if Oculus Rift will be the one to do it, but eventually VR
> will be a relatively common home entertainment product, like a
> PlayStation or XBox.

Almost all 3D games on my computer make me very motion sick extremely
quickly, as does reading in the car (as a passenger of course). I
haven't been on many boats, but I was fine unless having to wear a
tight lifejacket.



> And when that happens, the episode of Sliders where the population
> crashed because nobody wanted to meet in real life will become prophetic!

VR is of course old ... the Amiga was doing it years ago (although not
anywhere near photo-realistically), despite what fools at Oculus Rift
like to think about being "first".
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317886 is a reply to message #317867] Wed, 11 May 2016 05:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Neo Fortune

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 10:03:09 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
> In article <f475ee35-bd7a-40fc-b69a-458ea1124099@googlegroups.com>, Neo
> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:02:21 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> Like all Sinclair's garbage (everything he ever made was crap,
>>> Britain's version of Bully Gates!), the Spectrum was a hopeless, cheap
>>> 'n' nasty toy pretending to be a computer.
>>>
>>> If you want a proper retro-computer games console to plug into your TV,
>>> get the real thing ... The Multiple Classic Computer. You can play
>>> games from various old computers (C64, Amiga, even Atari and crappy
>>> Sinclair if you must).
>>> http://www.mcc-home.com or http://www.arcaderetrogaming.com
>>>
>>> Or there's the handheld C64 games console:
>>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-64-computer-and-handh eld-console
>>>
>>> Or there's the handheld Amiga games consoles:
>>> http://www.armigaproject.com
>>> https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pandora/
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPS4DKqHxU
>>
>> I Would Like A Small Amiga Connected To The TV With The Ports For A Joystick
>> And Mouse
>
> MCC
> http://www.mcc-home.com
>
>

Had A Look, I'm Not Impressed...

I Want An Amiga Console To Play 500 & 1200 Games

>> I Can't Stand The Modern Consoles/Games
>
> I've never used one, but I hate the fact that almost all games these
> days are silly 3D and first / third person games ... not only is that
> incredibly boring and lacking the variety of "yesteryear", but they
> also make me very motion sick extremely quickly. The silly fad of VR is
> only going to make this lazy developing even worse. :-(
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #317952 is a reply to message #317886] Wed, 11 May 2016 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <ca143915-aa2c-4843-bd2a-85d767724cd6@googlegroups.com>, Neo
Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 10:03:09 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <f475ee35-bd7a-40fc-b69a-458ea1124099@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:02:21 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Like all Sinclair's garbage (everything he ever made was crap,
>>>> Britain's version of Bully Gates!), the Spectrum was a hopeless, cheap
>>>> 'n' nasty toy pretending to be a computer.
>>>>
>>>> If you want a proper retro-computer games console to plug into your TV,
>>>> get the real thing ... The Multiple Classic Computer. You can play
>>>> games from various old computers (C64, Amiga, even Atari and crappy
>>>> Sinclair if you must).
>>>> http://www.mcc-home.com or http://www.arcaderetrogaming.com
>>>>
>>>> Or there's the handheld C64 games console:
>>>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-64-computer-and-handh eld-console
>>>>
>>>> Or there's the handheld Amiga games consoles:
>>>> http://www.armigaproject.com
>>>> https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pandora/
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPS4DKqHxU
>>>
>>> I Would Like A Small Amiga Connected To The TV With The Ports For A
>>> Joystick And Mouse
>>
>> MCC
>> http://www.mcc-home.com
>
> Had A Look, I'm Not Impressed...
>
> I Want An Amiga Console To Play 500 & 1200 Games

Your best option is to simply use a computer with an Amiga emulator
running on it (you may need an adapter cable to plug it into your TV).
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #318178 is a reply to message #317869] Tue, 17 May 2016 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Ryan P.

On 5/10/2016 4:14 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <ngt033$e1t$1@dont-email.me>, Ryan P. <ryannewguy@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 5/6/2016 5:55 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Another Problem Is The People Behind The VR(Virtual Reality) Oculus Rift
>>>> Headset Can't Use The Apple Mac Graphics Architecture
>>>
>>> VR is crap. It makes many people motion sick, so isn't ever going to be
>>> more than a passing / niche fad.
>>
>> {snip}
>>
>> I think its a matter of exposure to the technology. Most people get
>> motion sick on boats the first few times they are exposed to rough water.
>
> In some cases yea, but in others no.
>
>
>
>> I don't know if Oculus Rift will be the one to do it, but eventually VR
>> will be a relatively common home entertainment product, like a
>> PlayStation or XBox.
>
> Almost all 3D games on my computer make me very motion sick extremely
> quickly, as does reading in the car (as a passenger of course). I
> haven't been on many boats, but I was fine unless having to wear a
> tight lifejacket.

I was always able to read in car in the backseat for hours without any
issues. My girlfriend starts getting queasy if she spends more than a
minute looking at her phone while riding in the passenger seat.

>> And when that happens, the episode of Sliders where the population
>> crashed because nobody wanted to meet in real life will become prophetic!
>
> VR is of course old ... the Amiga was doing it years ago (although not
> anywhere near photo-realistically), despite what fools at Oculus Rift
> like to think about being "first".

I remember that old pterodactyl VR demo. :)
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #318179 is a reply to message #317868] Tue, 17 May 2016 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Ryan P.

On 5/10/2016 4:07 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <ngt0o1$go8$1@dont-email.me>, Ryan P. <ryannewguy@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 5/10/2016 4:02 AM, Neo Fortune wrote:
>>>
>>> I Can't Stand The Modern Consoles/Games
>>
>> That's because (with rare exception) most modern games are produced to
>> be eye candy rather than a rich gaming experience.
>>
>> Of course, if we're all honest, strategy games (such as Populous and
>> Civilzation) just aren't as much fun on a console without a mouse.
>>
>> Even Plants vs Zombies... Its a pain to play with a joy pad.
>
> The real gaming these days has been on iOS and Android handhelds
> (smartphone, iPod touch, etc.) because until recently they simply
> didn't have the graphics power to lazily make boring 3D first / third
> person clones. Unfortunately that's changing fast as new, more powerful
> devices are released and the "must be 3D" infection is spreading. :-(

I also dislike playing most "action" games on a touch screen without
any handheld controller. I find my fingers inevitably wander away from
the "move" and "fire" buttons, leading to quick deaths.

I stick the strategy or turn-based games on my phone.
Re: Can I Still Get A New Amiga? [message #318180 is a reply to message #317886] Tue, 17 May 2016 14:59 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: Ryan P.

On 5/11/2016 4:02 AM, Neo Fortune wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 10:03:09 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <f475ee35-bd7a-40fc-b69a-458ea1124099@googlegroups.com>, Neo
>> Fortune <serenity3043@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:02:21 PM UTC+1, Your Name wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Like all Sinclair's garbage (everything he ever made was crap,
>>>> Britain's version of Bully Gates!), the Spectrum was a hopeless, cheap
>>>> 'n' nasty toy pretending to be a computer.
>>>>
>>>> If you want a proper retro-computer games console to plug into your TV,
>>>> get the real thing ... The Multiple Classic Computer. You can play
>>>> games from various old computers (C64, Amiga, even Atari and crappy
>>>> Sinclair if you must).
>>>> http://www.mcc-home.com or http://www.arcaderetrogaming.com
>>>>
>>>> Or there's the handheld C64 games console:
>>>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-64-computer-and-handh eld-console
>>>>
>>>> Or there's the handheld Amiga games consoles:
>>>> http://www.armigaproject.com
>>>> https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pandora/
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPS4DKqHxU
>>>
>>> I Would Like A Small Amiga Connected To The TV With The Ports For A Joystick
>>> And Mouse
>>
>> MCC
>> http://www.mcc-home.com
>>
>>
>
> Had A Look, I'm Not Impressed...
>
> I Want An Amiga Console To Play 500 & 1200 Games

Wouldn't that basically be a CD32? Pair it with a floppy drive and a
hard drive, and you have an Amiga console to play just about anything.
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