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Brian
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The videos on YouTube can be divided into 3 categories, or at least I
will do so for this post: entertainment, educational, and what I have to
classify as advertisement.
For the entertainment there is of course lots of anime, some of which is
"legally" uploaded, such as the anime on the Nozomi entertainment channel
(who I at least think has the right to upload their own shows), and some
that perhaps isn't quite so "legal," (I still, however, don't think I am
doing anything "wrong" by watching these until such time as YouTube gets
a copyright complaint and takes the video down.)
I also really don't think that the disclaimer most people put up: "this
video is not owned by me...blah, blah, blah, yaketa, shnaketa," makes
posting an entire episode legal by the "fair use" criteria.
Some people say that YouTube is slightly overzealous on their
interpretation of "fair use" laws, and they need to not be quite so
overzealous.
For example, on the glass reflection channel, there is a 3 part series
with the 50 best opening themes to anime shows, at least in Tristan's
(the real name of the guy that runs the Glass Reflection channel) opinion.
Last time I checked, however, the 1st on had been taken down because of a
"copyright hit," because someplace that he had used footage from got
their noses out of joint because he used footage from that site.
Tristan obviously thought the footage he used fit under "fair use." I
have seen it and think that as well. Who knows, a copyright lawyer might
see it and offer the same opinion.
However, until a judge makes a ruling on this particular case, or
YouTube's policies in general, only one opinion matters from both a
practical, and I think, legal standpoint, and that is that of whoever is
supplying the video hosting service, which, in this case, is Google corp.
However, even if a judge makes a ruling that the video meets "fair use"
laws, I think that Google corp. has every right to take down or leave up
whatever video they choose.
Now that that digression is out of the way, I will continue with my
original post.
Others that, I at least would say, fall into the entertainment category
are "Good Mythical Morning," the many "let's play" channels, anime review
channels (at least I think both of those categories are entertainment),
etc.
For my educational category, there are several cooking videos that show
how to make several different dishes, there are several shows about
quilting that show how to make different types of quilting squares, how
to do free motion quilting, how to bind a quilt, etc.
Some people have told me that they learned how to tie a tie from a YouTube
video, I learned how to fold t-shirts the "Japanese" way from a YouTube
video, and I have no doubt that there are videos showing how to do an oil
change and other basic car maintenance tasks.
There are lots of "instructional" videos on YouTube, and it could perhaps
be argued that these videos are the best use of YouTube since they are a
method of disseminating information from one person (the person who puts
the video on how to tie a tie) to another (the person who wants to learn
how to tie a tie), and some might argue that the purpose of the internet/
world wide web is sharing information.
As for the videos that I call advertisements, I don't mean the actual
advertisements, but I will explain what I mean by giving a few examples:
Newegg has a series of videos that show how to build a computer, the 1st
is how to select components, the 2nd is the actual build, and the 3rd is
how to install an OS and other software.
Now, I cannot say what the motivation behind Newegg posting these videos
are, but I suspect that Newegg put these videos up so that a person that
is planning on building a computer will watch these videos to learn how
to do so, then order the parts from Newegg.
For another example, I go the Nozomi entertainment channel to watch
"Princess Nine" or "Yakitate Japan" or whatever, so from my perspective
that channel is "entertainment."
However, from Nozomi entertainment's perspective I think the motivation
is that someone will go there, see the neat shows they have there, wonder
something like "I wonder what else they have," go to their site, and
possibly buy something from them.
Perhaps I am wrong about that, and they make enough on the ad-revenue
sharing with Google that the site makes money for them, but whatever
their motivation, I can't imagine them maintaining the channel and
posting videos to it unless it benefited them in some way.
Another example is that SailRight has a series of videos up showing how
to use a particular model of sewing machine they make.
I have used enough sewing machines to know that the techniques that they
show (such as backstitching, winding a bobbin, etc.) are the same or
similar on other sewing machines, so from that perspective they could be
looked at as a tutorial on how to use a sewing machine.
However, he demonstrates that specific machine, and when he uses
something else, such as basting tape, he says how that is available from
Sailright, so from that perspective it could be looked at as an
advertisement for that sewing machine and other Sailright products.
Even though, as I said above, it might be argued that the greatest
benefit to the internet is sharing information such as how to tie a tie
or bind a quilt, those videos do cost money.
The videos have to be stored on servers that cost money, those servers
are in buildings that cost money to rent, buy, lease, or whatever,
network engineers have to maintain those servers, etc.
The person who makes the videos has to buy the stuff for the videos, such
as the food they need to make the video to make a particular recipe, the
quilting supplies they need to make a particular quilt, their camera/
lighting setup, etc.
There are many ways to pay for these things I mentioned above:
One is ads. In fact, what inspired this whole rant was wondering if
enough people pressed the "skip ad" button if advertisers might pressure
google into increasing the timer on that button from the 5 seconds it
currently is to some thing like 10 seconds, in which case it would make
it kinda pointless to click the "skip ad" button since most internet ads
seem to be 10-15 seconds anyway.
Or they might pressure Google to make it so that if one presses the "skip
ad" button, the have to see another skippable ad, sort of forcing the
viewer to have to choose between either skipping 2 ads, or watching the
1st ad in its entirety, which again would be kinda pointless since many
internet ads seem to be 10-15 seconds anyway.
Another way is by direct contributions through something like patreon,
and maybe it could be argued that that is actually the best way to pay
for these sorts of things, but at least for me, even if I had the money
to make a donation like that, it would go to the food bank or something
like that.
Another way is to actually charge the uploader of the video. As far as I
can tell this is Vimeo's business model.
I have been to their site, and it seems that there is no charge to just
watch stuff on their site (I may be wrong, but it did not appear so), but
from the description of their "pro," plus," and "business" accounts it
appeared that the charge was to the uploader, and not the viewer.
The video hoster can also charge a fee for their "premium" service, so
that the viewer can avoid the ads. Examples are crunchyroll, funimation's
elite service, hulu's elite service, etc.
There are also pay-per-view services where individual movies are
available for rental. I have seen pay-per-view offered on YouTube. I
think you can also "rent" videos in this way from Amazon.
Sorry about the long rant about something that is just tangentially
related to anime, but it is some stuff I had to get off my chest.
Brian Christiansen
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From Newsgroup: rec.arts.anime.misc
On 01/17/2016 12:11 PM, Brian wrote:
> The videos on YouTube can be divided into 3 categories, or at least I
> will do so for this post: entertainment, educational, and what I have to
> classify as advertisement.
>
> For the entertainment there is of course lots of anime, some of which is
> "legally" uploaded, such as the anime on the Nozomi entertainment channel
> (who I at least think has the right to upload their own shows), and some
> that perhaps isn't quite so "legal," (I still, however, don't think I am
> doing anything "wrong" by watching these until such time as YouTube gets
> a copyright complaint and takes the video down.)
>
> I also really don't think that the disclaimer most people put up: "this
> video is not owned by me...blah, blah, blah, yaketa, shnaketa," makes
> posting an entire episode legal by the "fair use" criteria.
>
> Some people say that YouTube is slightly overzealous on their
> interpretation of "fair use" laws, and they need to not be quite so
> overzealous.
>
> For example, on the glass reflection channel, there is a 3 part series
> with the 50 best opening themes to anime shows, at least in Tristan's
> (the real name of the guy that runs the Glass Reflection channel) opinion.
>
> Last time I checked, however, the 1st on had been taken down because of a
> "copyright hit," because someplace that he had used footage from got
> their noses out of joint because he used footage from that site.
>
> Tristan obviously thought the footage he used fit under "fair use." I
> have seen it and think that as well. Who knows, a copyright lawyer might
> see it and offer the same opinion.
>
> However, until a judge makes a ruling on this particular case, or
> YouTube's policies in general, only one opinion matters from both a
> practical, and I think, legal standpoint, and that is that of whoever is
> supplying the video hosting service, which, in this case, is Google corp.
>
> However, even if a judge makes a ruling that the video meets "fair use"
> laws, I think that Google corp. has every right to take down or leave up
> whatever video they choose.
>
> Now that that digression is out of the way, I will continue with my
> original post.
>
> Others that, I at least would say, fall into the entertainment category
> are "Good Mythical Morning," the many "let's play" channels, anime review
> channels (at least I think both of those categories are entertainment),
> etc.
>
> For my educational category, there are several cooking videos that show
> how to make several different dishes, there are several shows about
> quilting that show how to make different types of quilting squares, how
> to do free motion quilting, how to bind a quilt, etc.
>
> Some people have told me that they learned how to tie a tie from a YouTube
> video, I learned how to fold t-shirts the "Japanese" way from a YouTube
> video, and I have no doubt that there are videos showing how to do an oil
> change and other basic car maintenance tasks.
>
> There are lots of "instructional" videos on YouTube, and it could perhaps
> be argued that these videos are the best use of YouTube since they are a
> method of disseminating information from one person (the person who puts
> the video on how to tie a tie) to another (the person who wants to learn
> how to tie a tie), and some might argue that the purpose of the internet/
> world wide web is sharing information.
>
> As for the videos that I call advertisements, I don't mean the actual
> advertisements, but I will explain what I mean by giving a few examples:
>
> Newegg has a series of videos that show how to build a computer, the 1st
> is how to select components, the 2nd is the actual build, and the 3rd is
> how to install an OS and other software.
>
> Now, I cannot say what the motivation behind Newegg posting these videos
> are, but I suspect that Newegg put these videos up so that a person that
> is planning on building a computer will watch these videos to learn how
> to do so, then order the parts from Newegg.
>
> For another example, I go the Nozomi entertainment channel to watch
> "Princess Nine" or "Yakitate Japan" or whatever, so from my perspective
> that channel is "entertainment."
>
> However, from Nozomi entertainment's perspective I think the motivation
> is that someone will go there, see the neat shows they have there, wonder
> something like "I wonder what else they have," go to their site, and
> possibly buy something from them.
>
> Perhaps I am wrong about that, and they make enough on the ad-revenue
> sharing with Google that the site makes money for them, but whatever
> their motivation, I can't imagine them maintaining the channel and
> posting videos to it unless it benefited them in some way.
>
> Another example is that SailRight has a series of videos up showing how
> to use a particular model of sewing machine they make.
>
> I have used enough sewing machines to know that the techniques that they
> show (such as backstitching, winding a bobbin, etc.) are the same or
> similar on other sewing machines, so from that perspective they could be
> looked at as a tutorial on how to use a sewing machine.
>
> However, he demonstrates that specific machine, and when he uses
> something else, such as basting tape, he says how that is available from
> Sailright, so from that perspective it could be looked at as an
> advertisement for that sewing machine and other Sailright products.
>
> Even though, as I said above, it might be argued that the greatest
> benefit to the internet is sharing information such as how to tie a tie
> or bind a quilt, those videos do cost money.
>
> The videos have to be stored on servers that cost money, those servers
> are in buildings that cost money to rent, buy, lease, or whatever,
> network engineers have to maintain those servers, etc.
>
> The person who makes the videos has to buy the stuff for the videos, such
> as the food they need to make the video to make a particular recipe, the
> quilting supplies they need to make a particular quilt, their camera/
> lighting setup, etc.
>
> There are many ways to pay for these things I mentioned above:
>
> One is ads. In fact, what inspired this whole rant was wondering if
> enough people pressed the "skip ad" button if advertisers might pressure
> google into increasing the timer on that button from the 5 seconds it
> currently is to some thing like 10 seconds, in which case it would make
> it kinda pointless to click the "skip ad" button since most internet ads
> seem to be 10-15 seconds anyway.
>
> Or they might pressure Google to make it so that if one presses the "skip
> ad" button, the have to see another skippable ad, sort of forcing the
> viewer to have to choose between either skipping 2 ads, or watching the
> 1st ad in its entirety, which again would be kinda pointless since many
> internet ads seem to be 10-15 seconds anyway.
>
> Another way is by direct contributions through something like patreon,
> and maybe it could be argued that that is actually the best way to pay
> for these sorts of things, but at least for me, even if I had the money
> to make a donation like that, it would go to the food bank or something
> like that.
>
> Another way is to actually charge the uploader of the video. As far as I
> can tell this is Vimeo's business model.
>
> I have been to their site, and it seems that there is no charge to just
> watch stuff on their site (I may be wrong, but it did not appear so), but
> from the description of their "pro," plus," and "business" accounts it
> appeared that the charge was to the uploader, and not the viewer.
>
> The video hoster can also charge a fee for their "premium" service, so
> that the viewer can avoid the ads. Examples are crunchyroll, funimation's
> elite service, hulu's elite service, etc.
>
> There are also pay-per-view services where individual movies are
> available for rental. I have seen pay-per-view offered on YouTube. I
> think you can also "rent" videos in this way from Amazon.
>
> Sorry about the long rant about something that is just tangentially
> related to anime, but it is some stuff I had to get off my chest.
>
> Brian Christiansen
>
Well I think you generally have it right.
But my favorites on do-it-yourself videos are the ones where
a young hacker shows his mom how to install Linux.
bliss
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