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Japanese and American history revisionists Versus Truth in Anime and Manga [message #297051] Tue, 04 August 2015 00:10 Go to next message
sellers is currently offline  sellers
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Hi reader and writers,
I am on a few mailing lists. Today these remarks showed up and I
responded as below.

> Seventy years after the end of World War Two, the voices of revisionism
> in Japan are growing stronger and moving into the mainstream,
> particularly on the issue of comfort women, who were women forced to be
> sex slaves for Japanese soldiers during the war.
>
> <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33754932>
>
> I suppose it's no different than the holocaust deniers..

Yes but perhaps with more political intent as the JSDF
is moving on getting more mobile and the intent is to have them
fighting overseas again.

Curiously enough I have been reading a book about the whole
business of revisionist history and how it it used by victors and
vanquished to get by.
But I just thought of a great quote which is that in War
Truth is the first Victim. That has several authors attributed
and usually Truth is the first casualty but i prefer "victim"
which also refers to a sacrifice made on the altar of blood-loving
deities which is most of them.

"Ways of Remembering, Ways of Forgetting Japan in the Modern World"
by a historian who covers most bases. John W. Dower. This book explores
how the Japanese Imperial System repressed the truth then how the
Occupation Forces suppressed any criticism and the details of what happened
with the victims and survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
There was a commission which investigated radiation sickness in
survivors
and failed to share information widely. the bomb survivors writings were
suppressed until long after the Peace Treaty with the USA was signed.

Pearl Harbor was a military base and that is what the attack was
on. not on Honolulu nor on any of its suburbs.
Hiroshima was a city with little immediate military value and the
bombing of it and of Nagasaki were Terror attacks designed to get
the Imperial Administration to admit defeat.
But they were also attacks on civilians and prisoners of War.
Thousands died who were not military nor committed to military
support. Later on more thousands died of the long term effects
of radiation poisoning.
A civilian terror bombing to repay a military sneak attack?

Then from the end of the War to the recent times various
compromises and slights are followed to see how we once
again decided to rearm Japan and how the present day is
affected. We see that Truth again may be a Victim of
the Peace.

So anyway if you are a serious fan of anime or manga then
you have seen revisionist history being portrayed in various
military anime and manga. If you see it in these mass media
you can be sure it has serious fiction behind it.

Two non-revisionists stories of what went on that are too easy
to read are "Gen of Hiroshima" which is based on the experiences
of a young boy who lost his father, sister and younger brother
and watched over his baby sister which he delivered shortly after
the bombing. His mother took a few more years to die of radiation
poisoning but his trials and adventures make the book worthwhile.
Beside Gen his two older brothers survive one who was in training
to do the Kamikaze bit and the other working in the countryside
where he was safer. Gen goes to 10 thin volumes and should be in a
decent library. Gen of Hiroshima is by Nakazawa Keiji and you
can read a lot about it or see cuts from the movie on Youtube
but the manga covers a good deal more. Sometimes the title is
Hadashi no Gen or Barefoot Gen which is often the name of the
animated movie made from the first couple of volumes of the manga.
<http://japanfocus.org/-nakazawa-keiji/3416/article.html>
is an interesting article.

The next great story is Showa: History of Japan in 4 thick
volumes which covers a child growing up in a small town,
going through childhood adventures including walking about
5 miles to get a rare and new treat in Japan the donut. Not
too happy in school, getting out of it being inducted into the
Japanese Imperial Army which he survives despite the loss
of an arm. He comes home and begins to study art again
finally going to Tokyo to start a successful career as a
mangaka(manga artist) and becoming a very well known person.
It ends in the death of Hirohito who is the Showa Emperor.
Japanese emperors chose auspicious names for the time of
their reigns and after death to the Japanese are known by
the era name thus the Showa Emperor and the Showa Era
Showa: A History of Japan, known in Japan as Comic Showa-shi,
is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by
Shigeru Mizuki. A semi autobiographical work, this manga
describes the author's experiences growing up during the
Shōwa period, his wartime trials his return to a pacified
but shattered Japan and his move to Tokyo where he bacame
incredibly famous with his anime even on TV in the USA.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Mizuki> will give you
the details of his work and life.

So despite the historical revisionists on all sides we have two
enduring and excellent pieces of propaganda for the truth.

bliss
Re: Japanese and American history revisionists Versus Truth in Anime and Manga [message #297133 is a reply to message #297051] Wed, 05 August 2015 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Inu-Yasha is currently offline  Inu-Yasha
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On 8/4/2015 12:10 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Hi reader and writers,
> I am on a few mailing lists. Today these remarks showed up and I
> responded as below.
>
>> Seventy years after the end of World War Two, the voices of revisionism
>> in Japan are growing stronger and moving into the mainstream,
>> particularly on the issue of comfort women, who were women forced to be
>> sex slaves for Japanese soldiers during the war.
>>
>> <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33754932>
>>
>> I suppose it's no different than the holocaust deniers..
>
> Yes but perhaps with more political intent as the JSDF
> is moving on getting more mobile and the intent is to have them
> fighting overseas again.
>
> Curiously enough I have been reading a book about the whole
> business of revisionist history and how it it used by victors and
> vanquished to get by.
> But I just thought of a great quote which is that in War
> Truth is the first Victim. That has several authors attributed
> and usually Truth is the first casualty but i prefer "victim"
> which also refers to a sacrifice made on the altar of blood-loving
> deities which is most of them.
>
> "Ways of Remembering, Ways of Forgetting Japan in the Modern World"
> by a historian who covers most bases. John W. Dower. This book explores
> how the Japanese Imperial System repressed the truth then how the
> Occupation Forces suppressed any criticism and the details of what happened
> with the victims and survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> There was a commission which investigated radiation sickness in
> survivors
> and failed to share information widely. the bomb survivors writings were
> suppressed until long after the Peace Treaty with the USA was signed.
>
> Pearl Harbor was a military base and that is what the attack was
> on. not on Honolulu nor on any of its suburbs.
> Hiroshima was a city with little immediate military value and the
> bombing of it and of Nagasaki were Terror attacks designed to get
> the Imperial Administration to admit defeat.
> But they were also attacks on civilians and prisoners of War.
> Thousands died who were not military nor committed to military
> support. Later on more thousands died of the long term effects
> of radiation poisoning.
> A civilian terror bombing to repay a military sneak attack?
>
> Then from the end of the War to the recent times various
> compromises and slights are followed to see how we once
> again decided to rearm Japan and how the present day is
> affected. We see that Truth again may be a Victim of
> the Peace.
>
> So anyway if you are a serious fan of anime or manga then
> you have seen revisionist history being portrayed in various
> military anime and manga. If you see it in these mass media
> you can be sure it has serious fiction behind it.
>
> Two non-revisionists stories of what went on that are too easy
> to read are "Gen of Hiroshima" which is based on the experiences
> of a young boy who lost his father, sister and younger brother
> and watched over his baby sister which he delivered shortly after
> the bombing. His mother took a few more years to die of radiation
> poisoning but his trials and adventures make the book worthwhile.
> Beside Gen his two older brothers survive one who was in training
> to do the Kamikaze bit and the other working in the countryside
> where he was safer. Gen goes to 10 thin volumes and should be in a
> decent library. Gen of Hiroshima is by Nakazawa Keiji and you
> can read a lot about it or see cuts from the movie on Youtube
> but the manga covers a good deal more. Sometimes the title is
> Hadashi no Gen or Barefoot Gen which is often the name of the
> animated movie made from the first couple of volumes of the manga.
> <http://japanfocus.org/-nakazawa-keiji/3416/article.html>
> is an interesting article.
>
> The next great story is Showa: History of Japan in 4 thick
> volumes which covers a child growing up in a small town,
> going through childhood adventures including walking about
> 5 miles to get a rare and new treat in Japan the donut. Not
> too happy in school, getting out of it being inducted into the
> Japanese Imperial Army which he survives despite the loss
> of an arm. He comes home and begins to study art again
> finally going to Tokyo to start a successful career as a
> mangaka(manga artist) and becoming a very well known person.
> It ends in the death of Hirohito who is the Showa Emperor.
> Japanese emperors chose auspicious names for the time of
> their reigns and after death to the Japanese are known by
> the era name thus the Showa Emperor and the Showa Era
> Showa: A History of Japan, known in Japan as Comic Showa-shi,
> is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by
> Shigeru Mizuki. A semi autobiographical work, this manga
> describes the author's experiences growing up during the
> Shōwa period, his wartime trials his return to a pacified
> but shattered Japan and his move to Tokyo where he bacame
> incredibly famous with his anime even on TV in the USA.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Mizuki> will give you
> the details of his work and life.
>
> So despite the historical revisionists on all sides we have two
> enduring and excellent pieces of propaganda for the truth.
>
> bliss
To pint out other information, both Hiroshima and Nagasaki had military
targets. Hers is a link to one page,
http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=49
and a second Wikipedia link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_a nd_Nagasaki

It is very hard this many years after the second World War started and
finished to establish feeling at the time ( I was born 10 months after
the attack on Pearl Harbor), but The Japanese started the hostilities
with the United States, and was also apparently guilt of some terrible
atrocities during the war and also proceeding it. To portray the Pearl
Harbor attack as just a military target while Hiroshima is portrayed as
just a civilian attack is a little disingenuous. We all however are
entitled to our opinions. And this is my humble opinion.

Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
Re: Japanese and American history revisionists Versus Truth in Anime and Manga [message #297146 is a reply to message #297133] Thu, 06 August 2015 02:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Johnston is currently offline  David Johnston
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On 8/5/2015 5:16 PM, Inu-Yasha wrote:
> On 8/4/2015 12:10 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> Hi reader and writers,
>> I am on a few mailing lists. Today these remarks showed up and I
>> responded as below.
>>
>>> Seventy years after the end of World War Two, the voices of revisionism
>>> in Japan are growing stronger and moving into the mainstream,
>>> particularly on the issue of comfort women, who were women forced to be
>>> sex slaves for Japanese soldiers during the war.
>>>
>>> <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33754932>
>>>
>>> I suppose it's no different than the holocaust deniers..
>>
>> Yes but perhaps with more political intent as the JSDF
>> is moving on getting more mobile and the intent is to have them
>> fighting overseas again.
>>
>> Curiously enough I have been reading a book about the whole
>> business of revisionist history and how it it used by victors and
>> vanquished to get by.
>> But I just thought of a great quote which is that in War
>> Truth is the first Victim. That has several authors attributed
>> and usually Truth is the first casualty but i prefer "victim"
>> which also refers to a sacrifice made on the altar of blood-loving
>> deities which is most of them.
>>
>> "Ways of Remembering, Ways of Forgetting Japan in the Modern World"
>> by a historian who covers most bases. John W. Dower. This book explores
>> how the Japanese Imperial System repressed the truth then how the
>> Occupation Forces suppressed any criticism and the details of what
>> happened
>> with the victims and survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>> There was a commission which investigated radiation sickness in
>> survivors
>> and failed to share information widely. the bomb survivors writings were
>> suppressed until long after the Peace Treaty with the USA was signed.
>>
>> Pearl Harbor was a military base and that is what the attack was
>> on. not on Honolulu nor on any of its suburbs.
>> Hiroshima was a city with little immediate military value and the
>> bombing of it and of Nagasaki were Terror attacks designed to get
>> the Imperial Administration to admit defeat.
>> But they were also attacks on civilians and prisoners of War.
>> Thousands died who were not military nor committed to military
>> support. Later on more thousands died of the long term effects
>> of radiation poisoning.
>> A civilian terror bombing to repay a military sneak attack?
>>
>> Then from the end of the War to the recent times various
>> compromises and slights are followed to see how we once
>> again decided to rearm Japan and how the present day is
>> affected. We see that Truth again may be a Victim of
>> the Peace.
>>
>> So anyway if you are a serious fan of anime or manga then
>> you have seen revisionist history being portrayed in various
>> military anime and manga. If you see it in these mass media
>> you can be sure it has serious fiction behind it.
>>
>> Two non-revisionists stories of what went on that are too easy
>> to read are "Gen of Hiroshima" which is based on the experiences
>> of a young boy who lost his father, sister and younger brother
>> and watched over his baby sister which he delivered shortly after
>> the bombing. His mother took a few more years to die of radiation
>> poisoning but his trials and adventures make the book worthwhile.
>> Beside Gen his two older brothers survive one who was in training
>> to do the Kamikaze bit and the other working in the countryside
>> where he was safer. Gen goes to 10 thin volumes and should be in a
>> decent library. Gen of Hiroshima is by Nakazawa Keiji and you
>> can read a lot about it or see cuts from the movie on Youtube
>> but the manga covers a good deal more. Sometimes the title is
>> Hadashi no Gen or Barefoot Gen which is often the name of the
>> animated movie made from the first couple of volumes of the manga.
>> <http://japanfocus.org/-nakazawa-keiji/3416/article.html>
>> is an interesting article.
>>
>> The next great story is Showa: History of Japan in 4 thick
>> volumes which covers a child growing up in a small town,
>> going through childhood adventures including walking about
>> 5 miles to get a rare and new treat in Japan the donut. Not
>> too happy in school, getting out of it being inducted into the
>> Japanese Imperial Army which he survives despite the loss
>> of an arm. He comes home and begins to study art again
>> finally going to Tokyo to start a successful career as a
>> mangaka(manga artist) and becoming a very well known person.
>> It ends in the death of Hirohito who is the Showa Emperor.
>> Japanese emperors chose auspicious names for the time of
>> their reigns and after death to the Japanese are known by
>> the era name thus the Showa Emperor and the Showa Era
>> Showa: A History of Japan, known in Japan as Comic Showa-shi,
>> is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by
>> Shigeru Mizuki. A semi autobiographical work, this manga
>> describes the author's experiences growing up during the
>> Shōwa period, his wartime trials his return to a pacified
>> but shattered Japan and his move to Tokyo where he bacame
>> incredibly famous with his anime even on TV in the USA.
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Mizuki> will give you
>> the details of his work and life.
>>
>> So despite the historical revisionists on all sides we have two
>> enduring and excellent pieces of propaganda for the truth.
>>
>> bliss
> To pint out other information, both Hiroshima and Nagasaki had military
> targets.

It would be rather difficult to find a city that did not have military
targets.
Re: Japanese and American history revisionists Versus Truth in Anime and Manga [message #297179 is a reply to message #297146] Thu, 06 August 2015 13:55 Go to previous message
Magewolf is currently offline  Magewolf
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On 8/6/2015 2:44 AM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 8/5/2015 5:16 PM, Inu-Yasha wrote:
>> On 8/4/2015 12:10 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> Hi reader and writers,
>>> I am on a few mailing lists. Today these remarks showed up and I
>>> responded as below.
>>>
>>>> Seventy years after the end of World War Two, the voices of revisionism
>>>> in Japan are growing stronger and moving into the mainstream,
>>>> particularly on the issue of comfort women, who were women forced to be
>>>> sex slaves for Japanese soldiers during the war.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33754932>
>>>>
>>>> I suppose it's no different than the holocaust deniers..
>>>
>>> Yes but perhaps with more political intent as the JSDF
>>> is moving on getting more mobile and the intent is to have them
>>> fighting overseas again.
>>>
>>> Curiously enough I have been reading a book about the whole
>>> business of revisionist history and how it it used by victors and
>>> vanquished to get by.
>>> But I just thought of a great quote which is that in War
>>> Truth is the first Victim. That has several authors attributed
>>> and usually Truth is the first casualty but i prefer "victim"
>>> which also refers to a sacrifice made on the altar of blood-loving
>>> deities which is most of them.
>>>
>>> "Ways of Remembering, Ways of Forgetting Japan in the Modern World"
>>> by a historian who covers most bases. John W. Dower. This book explores
>>> how the Japanese Imperial System repressed the truth then how the
>>> Occupation Forces suppressed any criticism and the details of what
>>> happened
>>> with the victims and survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>> There was a commission which investigated radiation sickness in
>>> survivors
>>> and failed to share information widely. the bomb survivors writings
>>> were
>>> suppressed until long after the Peace Treaty with the USA was signed.
>>>
>>> Pearl Harbor was a military base and that is what the attack was
>>> on. not on Honolulu nor on any of its suburbs.
>>> Hiroshima was a city with little immediate military value and the
>>> bombing of it and of Nagasaki were Terror attacks designed to get
>>> the Imperial Administration to admit defeat.
>>> But they were also attacks on civilians and prisoners of War.
>>> Thousands died who were not military nor committed to military
>>> support. Later on more thousands died of the long term effects
>>> of radiation poisoning.
>>> A civilian terror bombing to repay a military sneak attack?
>>>
>>> Then from the end of the War to the recent times various
>>> compromises and slights are followed to see how we once
>>> again decided to rearm Japan and how the present day is
>>> affected. We see that Truth again may be a Victim of
>>> the Peace.
>>>
>>> So anyway if you are a serious fan of anime or manga then
>>> you have seen revisionist history being portrayed in various
>>> military anime and manga. If you see it in these mass media
>>> you can be sure it has serious fiction behind it.
>>>
>>> Two non-revisionists stories of what went on that are too easy
>>> to read are "Gen of Hiroshima" which is based on the experiences
>>> of a young boy who lost his father, sister and younger brother
>>> and watched over his baby sister which he delivered shortly after
>>> the bombing. His mother took a few more years to die of radiation
>>> poisoning but his trials and adventures make the book worthwhile.
>>> Beside Gen his two older brothers survive one who was in training
>>> to do the Kamikaze bit and the other working in the countryside
>>> where he was safer. Gen goes to 10 thin volumes and should be in a
>>> decent library. Gen of Hiroshima is by Nakazawa Keiji and you
>>> can read a lot about it or see cuts from the movie on Youtube
>>> but the manga covers a good deal more. Sometimes the title is
>>> Hadashi no Gen or Barefoot Gen which is often the name of the
>>> animated movie made from the first couple of volumes of the manga.
>>> <http://japanfocus.org/-nakazawa-keiji/3416/article.html>
>>> is an interesting article.
>>>
>>> The next great story is Showa: History of Japan in 4 thick
>>> volumes which covers a child growing up in a small town,
>>> going through childhood adventures including walking about
>>> 5 miles to get a rare and new treat in Japan the donut. Not
>>> too happy in school, getting out of it being inducted into the
>>> Japanese Imperial Army which he survives despite the loss
>>> of an arm. He comes home and begins to study art again
>>> finally going to Tokyo to start a successful career as a
>>> mangaka(manga artist) and becoming a very well known person.
>>> It ends in the death of Hirohito who is the Showa Emperor.
>>> Japanese emperors chose auspicious names for the time of
>>> their reigns and after death to the Japanese are known by
>>> the era name thus the Showa Emperor and the Showa Era
>>> Showa: A History of Japan, known in Japan as Comic Showa-shi,
>>> is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by
>>> Shigeru Mizuki. A semi autobiographical work, this manga
>>> describes the author's experiences growing up during the
>>> Shōwa period, his wartime trials his return to a pacified
>>> but shattered Japan and his move to Tokyo where he bacame
>>> incredibly famous with his anime even on TV in the USA.
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Mizuki> will give you
>>> the details of his work and life.
>>>
>>> So despite the historical revisionists on all sides we have two
>>> enduring and excellent pieces of propaganda for the truth.
>>>
>>> bliss
>> To pint out other information, both Hiroshima and Nagasaki had military
>> targets.
>
> It would be rather difficult to find a city that did not have military
> targets.
>
>
As I remember it both cities had been pulled off the regular bombing
list to save them for the atom bomb if it was working in time. So they
were both considered fit target for bombing raids.

Another thing to remember is that this was a full in war not the limited
type we have had ever since.
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