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Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295774] Fri, 17 July 2015 11:38 Go to next message
mkehoe is currently offline  mkehoe
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I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a daily
basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer upgrade Safari,
Firefox or Chrome. Is there another browser that may interface better with
the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's
life (in terms of the internet)? I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009,
and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!

Any ideas?

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295775 is a reply to message #295774] Fri, 17 July 2015 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 17 Jul 2015, at 08:38:05 AM PDT, mkehoe wrote:

> I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a
> daily basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer
> upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome. Is there another browser that
> may interface better with the internet, or do I need to consider
> this computer near the end of it's life (in terms of the internet)?
> I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009, and an ipad), but I am
> reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!
--------------
I rather like this one. A "mod" of firefox for older Mac OS.

Ken

http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295776 is a reply to message #295775] Fri, 17 July 2015 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken -

Thanks for the advice. That looks like what I need!

Mira

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Ken Daggett <kadaggett@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 17 Jul 2015, at 08:38:05 AM PDT, mkehoe wrote:
>
> I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a daily
>> basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer upgrade Safari,
>> Firefox or Chrome. Is there another browser that may interface better with
>> the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's
>> life (in terms of the internet)? I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009,
>> and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!
>>
> --------------
> I rather like this one. A "mod" of firefox for older Mac OS.
>
> Ken
>
> http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295843 is a reply to message #295774] Sat, 18 July 2015 08:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi, you might like to try iCab. Fast, stable and been around for a
decade or more.

Cheers,

James




> I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a
> daily basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer
> upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome. Is there another browser that
> may interface better with the internet, or do I need to consider
> this computer near the end of it's life (in terms of the internet)?
> I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009, and an ipad), but I am
> reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!
>
> Any ideas?
>
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295860 is a reply to message #295774] Sat, 18 July 2015 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks, James. I'll check it out...

Mira

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 7:24 AM, James I Fraser <jifraser@southcom.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi, you might like to try iCab. Fast, stable and been around for a
> decade or more.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
>
>
>
>
> I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a daily
> basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer upgrade Safari,
> Firefox or Chrome. Is there another browser that may interface better with
> the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's
> life (in terms of the internet)? I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009,
> and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295874 is a reply to message #295843] Sat, 18 July 2015 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>> I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a
>> daily basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer
>> upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.

I use TenFourFox (Firefox for G-series Macs) on 10.5.8 on my 1.25 GHz Mini
[ * ] .

There are different versions for different processor chips, so you have to
invoke TERMINAL and use the MACHINE function to discover if you have a
plain vanilla G4 (7400, I believe) or an updated G4 (7450, I believe).

[ * ] This has been converted to be a server by eliminating the optical
drive and installing a caddy which accommodates a second internal hard
drive. Alas, the default for this device, is Master so a mini jumper
(shunt), as from a 2.5" hard drive, must be used to select Slave for the
second hard drive.

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295875 is a reply to message #295774] Sat, 18 July 2015 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I found a tip before on using SeaMonkey. They still make PPC builds and it works pretty good for me.

On Jul 18, 2015 7:33 AM, Mira Kehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, James. I'll check it out...

Mira

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 7:24 AM, James I Fraser <jifraser@southcom.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi, you might like to try iCab. Fast, stable and been around for a
> decade or more.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
>
>
>
>
> I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a daily
> basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer upgrade Safari,
> Firefox or Chrome. Is there another browser that may interface better with
> the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's
> life (in terms of the internet)? I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009,
> and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295876 is a reply to message #295774] Sat, 18 July 2015 13:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though. Maybe that is the case? I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8. Do any of these support HTML I wonder?

On Jul 18, 2015 10:01 AM, peterhaas@cruzio.com wrote:

>> I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a
>> daily basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer
>> upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.

I use TenFourFox (Firefox for G-series Macs) on 10.5.8 on my 1.25 GHz Mini
[ * ] .

There are different versions for different processor chips, so you have to
invoke TERMINAL and use the MACHINE function to discover if you have a
plain vanilla G4 (7400, I believe) or an updated G4 (7450, I believe).

[ * ] This has been converted to be a server by eliminating the optical
drive and installing a caddy which accommodates a second internal hard
drive. Alas, the default for this device, is Master so a mini jumper
(shunt), as from a 2.5" hard drive, must be used to select Slave for the
second hard drive.

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295877 is a reply to message #295774] Sat, 18 July 2015 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 10:38:05 AM UTC-5, mkehoe wrote:
>
> I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a daily
> basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer upgrade Safari,
> Firefox or Chrome. Is there another browser that may interface better with
> the internet, or do I need to consider this computer near the end of it's
> life (in terms of the internet)? I do have newer computers (an iMac 2009,
> and an ipad), but I am reluctant to give up on this old warhorse!
>
> Any ideas?
>

I have the same machine and OS and have been using TenFourFox and like it.
It is much faster than Safari. The only drawback, as others have pointed
out, is that Flash videos are not supported. However, there is a TenFourFox
"add-on" that allows you to download Flash videos and play them in
QuickTime. TenFourFox *does* support html5 video.

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295897 is a reply to message #295876] Sat, 18 July 2015 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though. Maybe that
> is the case? I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
> and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8. Do any of these
> support HTML I wonder?

TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.

Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
machines.



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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295898 is a reply to message #295897] Sat, 18 July 2015 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 07/18/2015 02:18 PM, peterhaas@cruzio.com wrote:
Agree Flash is a hazard and should be gone.
>> I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though. Maybe that
>> is the case? I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
>> and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8. Do any of these
>> support HTML I wonder?
> TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
> processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.
>
> Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
> machines.
>
>
>

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295906 is a reply to message #295898] Sat, 18 July 2015 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks, everyone. What is the most effective way to remove flash from the
computer?

Mira

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 2:13 PM, coverturtle <coverturtle@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 07/18/2015 02:18 PM, peterhaas@cruzio.com wrote:
> Agree Flash is a hazard and should be gone.
>
>> I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though. Maybe that
>>> is the case? I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
>>> and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8. Do any of these
>>> support HTML I wonder?
>>>
>> TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
>> processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.
>>
>> Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
>> machines.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295907 is a reply to message #295906] Sat, 18 July 2015 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Thanks, everyone. What is the most effective way to remove flash from the
> computer?

Use your browser and point its search key to "remove adobe flash".

That should get you to ...

https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-play er-windows.html

... or a similar adobe.com link from which you can download the
uninstaller which is appropriate for your specific installation.



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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295908 is a reply to message #295907] Sat, 18 July 2015 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks!

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 4:16 PM, <peterhaas@cruzio.com> wrote:

>
>> Thanks, everyone. What is the most effective way to remove flash from
> the
>> computer?
>
> Use your browser and point its search key to "remove adobe flash".
>
> That should get you to ...
>
> https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-play er-windows.html
>
> ... or a similar adobe.com link from which you can download the
> uninstaller which is appropriate for your specific installation.
>
>
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295909 is a reply to message #295897] Sat, 18 July 2015 17:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Subject: Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?



> I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though. Maybe that
> is the case? I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
> and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8. Do any of these
> support HTML I wonder?

TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.

Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
machines.


--------------------------------------------
My reply:

There is at least one other version of TenFourFox for G5 processors. When I switched from a G4 to a G5 the 7450 version was installed on the cloned HDD and it worked just fine. Later I upgraded to the G5 version. And I do not miss FLASH. --glen


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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #295938 is a reply to message #295874] Sat, 18 July 2015 21:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks. I checked out this link:

https://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/WhichVersion

Mira

On Saturday, July 18, 2015, <peterhaas@cruzio.com> wrote:

>
>>> I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a
>>> daily basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer
>>> upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.
>
> I use TenFourFox (Firefox for G-series Macs) on 10.5.8 on my 1.25 GHz Mini
> [ * ] .
>
> There are different versions for different processor chips, so you have to
> invoke TERMINAL and use the MACHINE function to discover if you have a
> plain vanilla G4 (7400, I believe) or an updated G4 (7450, I believe).
>
> [ * ] This has been converted to be a server by eliminating the optical
> drive and installing a caddy which accommodates a second internal hard
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> second hard drive.
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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #296248 is a reply to message #295774] Tue, 21 July 2015 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree that flash player should be up to date. Unfortunately plenty of gamed my kids play online require it. It's a double edged sword. Its really sad that apple decided to stop maintaining the PowerPC platform. The Open-source community and BSD communities are proof its not impossible to port things over to this platform still...

If only chrome worked on PPC platforms because it keeps its own version of flash player up to date with its browser.

On Jul 18, 2015 12:35 PM, coverturtle <coverturtle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/18/2015 02:18 PM, peterhaas@cruzio.com wrote:
Agree Flash is a hazard and should be gone.
>> I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though. Maybe that
>> is the case? I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
>> and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8. Do any of these
>> support HTML I wonder?
> TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
> processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.
>
> Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
> machines.
>
>
>

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #296249 is a reply to message #296248] Tue, 21 July 2015 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Ben Cheever <bencheever@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree that flash player should be up to date. Unfortunately plenty of gamed my kids play online require it. It's a double edged sword. Its really sad that apple decided to stop maintaining the PowerPC platform. The Open-source community and BSD communities are proof its not impossible to port things over to this platform still…

Flash Player has nothing to do with Apple supporting or not supporting the PPC platform, as it’s an Adobe product.

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8? [message #296250 is a reply to message #295938] Tue, 21 July 2015 14:15 Go to previous message
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I received this response regarding my processor chip:

"According to your serial number, your machine was manufactured with
1.25GHz G4 (PowerPC *7455*)"

Customer Support
Powerbookmedic.com
866-726-3342

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Mira Kehoe <mirakehoe@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks. I checked out this link:
>
> https://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/WhichVersion
>
> Mira
>
> On Saturday, July 18, 2015, <peterhaas@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>> I still am using a Power Mac G-4 1.25 dual using OS 10.5.8 on a
>>>> daily basis for some work using the internet. I can no longer
>>>> upgrade Safari, Firefox or Chrome.
>>
>> I use TenFourFox (Firefox for G-series Macs) on 10.5.8 on my 1.25 GHz Mini
>> [ * ] .
>>
>> There are different versions for different processor chips, so you have to
>> invoke TERMINAL and use the MACHINE function to discover if you have a
>> plain vanilla G4 (7400, I believe) or an updated G4 (7450, I believe).
>>
>> [ * ] This has been converted to be a server by eliminating the optical
>> drive and installing a caddy which accommodates a second internal hard
>> drive. Alas, the default for this device, is Master so a mini jumper
>> (shunt), as from a 2.5" hard drive, must be used to select Slave for the
>> second hard drive.
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