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WD My Book 2TB won't play nice [message #294832] Wed, 01 July 2015 21:30 Go to next message
smac0031 is currently offline  smac0031
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I tried to expand my TiVo. I got a 2TB WD My Book drive which turned out to
be USB 3.0. It won't work with my TiVo Premire. As the TiVo wants an eSata
drive.
I have had the model number for this eSata drive for quite some time, but
when I went to buy it Amazon notified me there was a newer model a 2TB
drive for
the same price. So I bought it. It won't work with my TiVo so I moved to
plan B which was to use it with my DA G4.

In futzing around with it I found it had the windows something or other
file system on it. So I reformatted it, but it won't make nice with the G4
either as it messes up
the sleep mode and it won't wake up and failing waking up it won't find a
boot drive on reboot. For the longest time my computer won't shut down or
reboot from
the Apple menu and I've pretty much given up trying that so if I want to
reboot or shut down I use the buttons on the front of the computer.

I'm pretty much thinking I will have to let this My Book drive sit until I
get an Intel Mac, however, I noticed when I formatted this thing there were
4 different options
to format this drive for a Mac using Disk Utility. Does this make a
difference or is it as I suspect the ongoing boot issue with the USB port?

Mark Murphy

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Re: WD My Book 2TB won't play nice [message #294833 is a reply to message #294832] Wed, 01 July 2015 22:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mark.. watch the colour. Black™ having the best warranty. Red known
for Nas™. Blue light weight short life often
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On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:30 PM, smac0031 <m.smurph001@gmail.com> wrote:

> I tried to expand my TiVo. I got a 2TB WD My Book drive which turned out
> to be USB 3.0. It won't work with my TiVo Premire. As the TiVo wants an
> eSata drive.
> I have had the model number for this eSata drive for quite some time, but
> when I went to buy it Amazon notified me there was a newer model a 2TB
> drive for
> the same price. So I bought it. It won't work with my TiVo so I moved to
> plan B which was to use it with my DA G4.
>
> In futzing around with it I found it had the windows something or other
> file system on it. So I reformatted it, but it won't make nice with the G4
> either as it messes up
> the sleep mode and it won't wake up and failing waking up it won't find a
> boot drive on reboot. For the longest time my computer won't shut down or
> reboot from
> the Apple menu and I've pretty much given up trying that so if I want to
> reboot or shut down I use the buttons on the front of the computer.
>
> I'm pretty much thinking I will have to let this My Book drive sit until I
> get an Intel Mac, however, I noticed when I formatted this thing there were
> 4 different options
> to format this drive for a Mac using Disk Utility. Does this make a
> difference or is it as I suspect the ongoing boot issue with the USB port?
>
> Mark Murphy
>
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Re: WD My Book 2TB won't play nice [message #294840 is a reply to message #294832] Thu, 02 July 2015 00:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You may need to subdivide the drive into smaller volumes depending on
what the capabilities are of the G4 firmware and the version of Mac OS
you are running. When formatting it's important to check the bootable
box. I'd look all the details up but you can do that yourself.

On 07/01/2015 09:30 PM, smac0031 wrote:
> I tried to expand my TiVo. I got a 2TB WD My Book drive which turned
> out to be USB 3.0. It won't work with my TiVo Premire. As the TiVo
> wants an eSata drive.
> I have had the model number for this eSata drive for quite some time,
> but when I went to buy it Amazon notified me there was a newer model a
> 2TB drive for
> the same price. So I bought it. It won't work with my TiVo so I moved
> to plan B which was to use it with my DA G4.
>
> In futzing around with it I found it had the windows something or
> other file system on it. So I reformatted it, but it won't make nice
> with the G4 either as it messes up
> the sleep mode and it won't wake up and failing waking up it won't
> find a boot drive on reboot. For the longest time my computer won't
> shut down or reboot from
> the Apple menu and I've pretty much given up trying that so if I want
> to reboot or shut down I use the buttons on the front of the computer.
>
> I'm pretty much thinking I will have to let this My Book drive sit
> until I get an Intel Mac, however, I noticed when I formatted this
> thing there were 4 different options
> to format this drive for a Mac using Disk Utility. Does this make a
> difference or is it as I suspect the ongoing boot issue with the USB port?
>
> Mark Murphy
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Re: WD My Book 2TB won't play nice [message #294868 is a reply to message #294832] Thu, 02 July 2015 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Il giorno 02/07/15 03.30, "smac0031" ha scritto:

> It won't work with my TiVo so I moved to
> plan B which was to use it with my DA G4.
First, your DA G4 doesn't support volumes bigger than 128 GB.

That means that you could use a bigger drive, but you have to subdivide it
into partitions 128 GB or smaller (Disk Utility should be able to do that).
That limit is valid for internal drives; I do not know about external ones
(but I think it applies there as well).

BTW, there ARE tricks to overcome that 128 GB limits. Here is the one I used
back in my G4 days:
< https://pareis.wordpress.com/2007/12/17/using-128-gib-or-lar ger-ata-hard-dr
ives/>
There are caveats, please read attentively before doing anything.

> I noticed when I formatted this thing there were 4 different options
> to format this drive for a Mac using Disk Utility. Does this make a
> difference
I think the main difference is, some formats allow booting and others do
not.
If you want to boot from that disk, choose "Mac OS Extended".
"Ms-Dos" is good for an external drive that you connect to multiple devices,
both Macs and PCs.

If you report the 4 different options Disk Utility gave you, I could say
more (I'm currently on an Intel iMac, so I go from memory here).

HTH,
Valter


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Re: WD My Book 2TB won't play nice [message #294869 is a reply to message #294868] Thu, 02 July 2015 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> First, your DA G4 doesn't support volumes bigger than 128 GB.

My shop had four G4 DAs, and all supported > 128 GB (actual capacity is
131,072).

You may use HD Speedtools, but that is an extension, and is only available
after booting has been successfully completed.

You may use the Open Firmware hack, and that is available at all times as
it is "persistently" added to the boot ROM.

Lookup the O.F. hack in the usual places, and you will probably find
several versions of it, at least one of which will get the job done.

I say "persistent", as the code required to support > 128 GB [ * ] is
actually added to the writable portion of the boot ROM.

It is deleted whenever you do an O.F. reset (and which erases any such
additions to O.F.).

With the MDD machines, the > 128 GB code was permanently in the boot ROM,
and cannot be deleted.


[ * ] Drives which are <= 128 GB send a single parameter block to the
drive. Drives which are > 128 GB send two parameter blocks, the first of
which has the low-order block IDs, and the second of which has the
high-order block IDs.

The O.F. hack enables sending the second parameter block for those cases
where two parameter blocks are expected. The ROM is actually capable of
sending the second parameter block, but it is inhibited from doing so on
DAs and earlier models.

Without the O.F. hack, only one parameter block is sent, irrespective of
the capacity of the drive, and which can lead to some rather strange
results as the block ID which the drive sees is really the "MOD 131072"
function applied to the actual block ID.





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Re: WD My Book 2TB won't play nice [message #294906 is a reply to message #294832] Fri, 03 July 2015 07:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> From: Valter Prahlad <valter.prahlad@fastwebnet.it>
> Date: Jul 02 08:32PM +0200
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/msg/1fb5acb5da2f0bf 0
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> Il giorno 02/07/15 03.30, "smac0031" ha scritto:
>
>> It won't work with my TiVo so I moved to
>> plan B which was to use it with my DA G4.
> First, your DA G4 doesn't support volumes bigger than 128 GB.
>
> That means that you could use a bigger drive, but you have to subdivide it
> into partitions 128 GB or smaller (Disk Utility should be able to do that).
> That limit is valid for internal drives; I do not know about external ones
> (but I think it applies there as well).
>
<SNIP>
> ---------- 2 of 2 ----------
> From: peterhaas@cruzio.com
> Date: Jul 02 12:03PM -0700
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/msg/a1a9dd2989cb222 0
>
>> First, your DA G4 doesn't support volumes bigger than 128 GB.
>
> My shop had four G4 DAs, and all supported > 128 GB (actual capacity is
> 131,072).
<SNIP>

No 'hacks' are needed for USB or FireWire drives, the limit is purely
on the internal IDE controller,
With an external drive your only limitations are what is imposed by
the chipset in the enclosure, with modern enclosures there is no
problem using 6TB drives on your DA, the same applies if you use a PCI
SATA card internally, you are only limited by the cards chipset /
firmware.
so to reiterate, the only time you are limited to 128GB is when you
are connecting to the INTERNAL (on-board) IDE cable.
Ben.

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Re: WD My Book 2TB won't play nice [message #294973 is a reply to message #294832] Sat, 04 July 2015 14:02 Go to previous message
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I was able to format this drive through the USB port. It is 1.8 TB in size
and I was able to copy and write files to it.

The computer won't wake up from sleep, and hangs on reboot.

I think I am going to move to plan C and get an Intel

Mark Murphy

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