Toy Computers [message #282572] |
Fri, 10 January 1986 09:22 |
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[b]Originally posted by:[/b] [email=godden@GMR.CSNET (Kurt Godden)]godden[/email]
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Posted: Fri Jan 10 09:22:00 1986
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For he who can't help but think of a <$400 computer as being a toy:
You must have thought the original Atari 800 was one mean number cruncher
since it was priced over (?) $1000. I'm sure glad I bought mine when the
price was still up to $500, or else I would have just gotten a toy.
By the way, I didn't know the hospital ward you're in had access to
electronic mail...
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Re: Toy Computers [message #282597 is a reply to message #282572] |
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[b]Originally posted by:[/b] [email=MRC%PANDA@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA (Mark Crispin)]MRC%PANDA[/email]
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Posted: Sat Jan 11 13:42:11 1986
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Kurt Godden's comment about hospital wards is the latest of a
series of childish and immature messages which have plagued the
INFO-ATARI list of late.
This is very reminiscant of the Atari user's groups of the
early 80's, which insisted Atari was doing everything splendidly
and the few people who argued otherwise were lonely voices in the
wilderness.
A serious concern -- that selling the ST in toy stores at
toy store prices will lead to the overwhelming preponderance of
ST software being toy software -- is trivialized by suggesting
that anybody who dares to have such concerns must be in a mental
hospital. If you want to advertise the Amiga I can't think of a
better way than the current cat-fighting.
There is a difference between a cheap and an inexpensive
computer. The ST was promoted as being inexpensive, but it sure
looks like it really is just another cheap computer.
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Re: Toy Computers [message #282610 is a reply to message #282572] |
Mon, 13 January 1986 19:00 |
oz
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Posted: Mon Jan 13 19:00:39 1986
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Summary:
In article <12174433790.8.MRC@PANDA> MRC%PANDA@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA (Mark Crispin) writes:
[color=blue]> This is very reminiscant of the Atari user's groups of the[/color]
[color=blue]> early 80's, which insisted Atari was doing everything splendidly[/color]
[color=blue]> and the few people who argued otherwise were lonely voices in the[/color]
[color=blue]> wilderness.[/color]
[color=blue]> [/color]
I do not think so. Time and time again, majority turned out to be
RIGHT, and those lonely voices were wrong. This may prove to be
such a case.
[color=blue]> A serious concern -- that selling the ST in toy stores at[/color]
[color=blue]> toy store prices will lead to the overwhelming preponderance of[/color]
[color=blue]> ST software being toy software ..[/color]
Who writes the so-called "Toy Software" ?? Highschool
hackers ?? Neighborhood cabbies, Aunt Gwendolyn ??
And why is it such a serious concern ??? Is there some
sort of a class difference between programs written by
those of us lucky enough to have VAXen spread out in our
machine room, and those written by a highschool nerd in
his basement C64 ?? Remember that highschool nerd who
broke into Lawrence-Livermore Labs ?? Did you know
the JOVE was originally written in Lincoln-Sudbury
highschool ?? But you perhaps know that professional
programmers could churn out just as much crap as any other
non-professional programmer (such as the cabbie) with the
difference that the former is probably more dangerous.
If lotsa kids get their hands onto an ST instead of a
retarded C64, I am sure we will see more imaginative stuff,
not TOY SOFTWARE.
[color=blue]> [/color]
[color=blue]> There is a difference between a cheap and an inexpensive[/color]
[color=blue]> computer. The ST was promoted as being inexpensive, but it sure[/color]
[color=blue]> looks like it really is just another cheap computer.[/color]
[color=blue]> [/color]
Ah.. this must be the standard "class" oriented thinking.
If it does not cost you your left arm, and it is not sold
by an obnoxious salesman, it cannot be all that good.
Think about it: your VT220 costs more than an atari ST.
and it is not even programmable. :-)
OZ
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Re: Toy Computers [message #282735 is a reply to message #282572] |
Thu, 16 January 1986 11:16 |
freed
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Posted: Thu Jan 16 11:16:18 1986
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One thing that has been missing from these discussions is the great potential
the "toy" St now has for education. High schools can afford a good many STs
and can therefore make them available to more students. I wish that there
had been a $300 68000 machine when I was in high school...
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Aurora Systems
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Re: toy computers [message #282742 is a reply to message #282572] |
Fri, 17 January 1986 11:09 |
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[b]Originally posted by:[/b] [email=info-atari@ucbvax.UUCP]info-atari[/email]
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Posted: Fri Jan 17 11:09:21 1986
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I can't resist putting my two cents worth (if that) on the "toy computer"
issue. A lot of big minicomputers have "external power supplies" - they just
rack mount them with the cpu. Personally, I think it's clever to package the
power supply as simply as they have. My only objection is the proliferation
of little transformers if you run a lot of peripherals, and there's an easy
solution to that: spend a hundred bucks or so and buy an industrial grade
power supply which you can mount out of sight and run cables to all the little
boxes. Shucks, you can even rack mount the power supply if you want. That
would only increase the price $500 or so.
If a PDP-11/70 is a toy then the ST is a toy.
-John Sangster
jhs at mitre-bedford.arpa
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Re: Toy Computers [message #282784 is a reply to message #282572] |
Thu, 16 January 1986 13:42 |
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Posted: Thu Jan 16 13:42:15 1986
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[color=blue]> A serious concern -- that selling the ST in toy stores at[/color]
[color=blue]> toy store prices will lead to the overwhelming preponderance of[/color]
[color=blue]> ST software being toy software -- is trivialized by suggesting[/color]
[color=blue]> that anybody who dares to have such concerns must be in a mental[/color]
[color=blue]> hospital.[/color]
Why should anyone get upset over the "toy computer" name? Let's be
honest here: both the Amiga and the 520 ST are toy computers, as
are virtually all "home" (as opposed to "office") computers. I
don't mean that they have minimal capabilities, I mean that they
will be used for personal amusement.
Whether that amusement is in playing games or in hacking, I don't think
there's a difference. The computer is being used as a plaything.
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Doug Pardee -- CalComp -- {hardy,savax,seismo,decvax,ihnp4}!terak!doug
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Re: toy computers [message #282843 is a reply to message #282572] |
Mon, 20 January 1986 10:38 |
ray
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Posted: Mon Jan 20 10:38:41 1986
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[color=blue]> As much as I am seriously considering a ST for some serious[/color]
[color=blue]> uses, I still can't help thinking of any small computer as[/color]
[color=blue]> a toy that uses an external power supply and that has its[/color]
[color=blue]> cpu in the keyboard.[/color]
Logic:
Small computers are toys.
All computers are getting smaller.
Thus, all computers will become toys.
Solution:
Bring back the vaccuum tubes.
ray
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