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G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274027] Mon, 24 November 2014 20:10 Go to next message
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I have now installed TWO different Airport Extreme cards (A1026) in an
early G5 tower (2.0GHz DP/PCI-X, or PowerMac 7,2).

Unfortunately, the Mac cannot "see" either of them. If I go into Network
Diagnostics, "AirPort" is greyed-out/not selectable as an option. On "About
this Mac", when you click to get info on Airport, nothing is found.

I've seated/re-seated the card(s) multiple times, pressed the CUDA switch,
repaired permissions, I have no idea what else to do.

I installed the system software (Snow Leopard) BEFORE I got the card, but I
cannot imagine that it would have had to be installed for the proper
software to be there.

Anyone got any ideas? Since I've tried two cards, I think I can rule out
the problem being the card.

Andy
Berea, KY

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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274028 is a reply to message #274027] Mon, 24 November 2014 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:10 PM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group <g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Anyone got any ideas? Since I've tried two cards, I think I can rule out the problem being the card.

Perhaps going to System Preferences > Network will enable the card if Airport wasn’t installed as a network device before? If there is an “Airport” device listed, and you still can’t connect, you might delete the Airport, then reboot and see if the Mac can automatically detect the card and give the option of re-installing the device.

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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274044 is a reply to message #274027] Mon, 24 November 2014 22:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Nov 24, 2014, at 5:10 PM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group wrote:

> I have now installed TWO different Airport Extreme cards (A1026) in an early G5 tower (2.0GHz DP/PCI-X, or PowerMac 7,2).
>
> Unfortunately, the Mac cannot "see" either of them. If I go into Network Diagnostics, "AirPort" is greyed-out/not selectable as an option. On "About this Mac", when you click to get info on Airport, nothing is found.
>
> I've seated/re-seated the card(s) multiple times, pressed the CUDA switch, repaired permissions, I have no idea what else to do.
>
> I installed the system software (Snow Leopard) BEFORE I got the card, but I cannot imagine that it would have had to be installed for the proper software to be there.

Snow Leopard is not supported by Power Macs. It requires Intel processors.

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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274048 is a reply to message #274044] Tue, 25 November 2014 00:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry, I meant to say I'm running Leopard, obviously. The question remains,
though.

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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274049 is a reply to message #274027] Tue, 25 November 2014 00:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:29 PM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group <g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I meant to say I'm running Leopard, obviously. The question remains, though.

So what’s it show in System Preferences > Network?
Is there an “Airport” device shown?
Is it “on”?
Have you tried deleting it, and rebooting, to see if the hardware is bad?

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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274087 is a reply to message #274049] Tue, 25 November 2014 08:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It does NOT appear in the "list" on the left-hand side of the System
Preferences window, nor can it be added to it.

When I click the "assist me" button, then click on "diagnostics", where it
says "choose network port configuration", AirPort is GREYED-OUT (i.e. not
selectable) in the list of choices. It only alllows me to choose Ethernet
or Other (I disconnected the Internal Modem, hoping that would help, but it
didn't make any difference one way or the other).

I don't know what you mean by "deleting" it, since it's not on the list.

I've tried TWO different cards, both of which the seller says have been
tested. I've seated them, re-seated them, rebooted, pressed the CUDA
button, repaired disk permissions, everything I can think of.



On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:59:13 AM UTC-5, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
> On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:29 PM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group <
> g3-5...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I meant to say I'm running Leopard, obviously. The question
> remains, though.
>
>
> So what’s it show in System Preferences > Network?
> Is there an “Airport” device shown?
> Is it “on”?
> Have you tried deleting it, and rebooting, to see if the hardware is bad?
>
>

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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274139 is a reply to message #274087] Tue, 25 November 2014 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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https://discussions.apple.com/thread/814483?start=0&tst

You need an antenna, apparently.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 8:16 AM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group <g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> It does NOT appear in the "list" on the left-hand side of the System Preferences window, nor can it be added to it.
>
> When I click the "assist me" button, then click on "diagnostics", where it says "choose network port configuration", AirPort is GREYED-OUT (i.e. not selectable) in the list of choices. It only alllows me to choose Ethernet or Other (I disconnected the Internal Modem, hoping that would help, but it didn't make any difference one way or the other).
>
> I don't know what you mean by "deleting" it, since it's not on the list.
>
> I've tried TWO different cards, both of which the seller says have been tested. I've seated them, re-seated them, rebooted, pressed the CUDA button, repaired disk permissions, everything I can think of.
>
>
>
>> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:59:13 AM UTC-5, Kris Tilford wrote:
>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:29 PM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group <g3-5...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, I meant to say I'm running Leopard, obviously. The question remains, though.
>>
>> So what’s it show in System Preferences > Network?
>> Is there an “Airport” device shown?
>> Is it “on”?
>> Have you tried deleting it, and rebooting, to see if the hardware is bad?
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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274167 is a reply to message #274139] Tue, 25 November 2014 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I’m interested in the answers. My Quicksilver with a Sonnet 933 GHz board doesn’t recognize the Airport Cards … I’ve tried more than one.
I’d decided maybe the problem must be in the motherboard. But, when I substituted two other 867mhz Quicksilvers … it did the same thing.
This sent by my mid 2012 Apple Pro Tower.

RHB
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that you might be interested in buying.~The Ole Curmudgeon

On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Timothy Domst <ducati900fe081@gmail.com> wrote:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/814483?start=0&tst

You need an antenna, apparently.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 25, 2014, at 8:16 AM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group <g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> It does NOT appear in the "list" on the left-hand side of the System Preferences window, nor can it be added to it.
>
> When I click the "assist me" button, then click on "diagnostics", where it says "choose network port configuration", AirPort is GREYED-OUT (i.e. not selectable) in the list of choices. It only allows me to choose Ethernet or Other (I disconnected the Internal Modem, hoping that would help, but it didn't make any difference one way or the other).
>
> I don't know what you mean by "deleting" it, since it's not on the list.
>
> I've tried TWO different cards, both of which the seller says have been tested. I've seated them, re-seated them, rebooted, pressed the CUDA button, repaired disk permissions, everything I can think of.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:59:13 AM UTC-5, Kris Tilford wrote:
> On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:29 PM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group <g3-5...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I meant to say I'm running Leopard, obviously. The question remains, though.
>
> So what’s it show in System Preferences > Network?
> Is there an “Airport” device shown?
> Is it “on”?
> Have you tried deleting it, and rebooting, to see if the hardware is bad?
>
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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274180 is a reply to message #274139] Tue, 25 November 2014 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Even without the antenna, the Mac itself should still be able to "see" the
card plugged into the slot, even if it's got no range. The Mac literally
doesn't think anything is plugged into the slot.



On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:32:38 PM UTC-5, Timothy wrote:
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/814483?start=0&tst
> < https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscussions.apple .com%2Fthread%2F814483%3Fstart%3D0%26tst&sa=D&sntz=1 &usg=AFQjCNFEG3YG1rjugzmSHdOrtAb5S1tisA>
>
> You need an antenna, apparently.
>

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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274201 is a reply to message #274027] Wed, 26 November 2014 01:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:16 AM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group <g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> It does NOT appear in the "list" on the left-hand side of the System Preferences window, nor can it be added to it.
>
> When I click the "assist me" button, then click on "diagnostics", where it says "choose network port configuration", AirPort is GREYED-OUT (i.e. not selectable) in the list of choices. It only alllows me to choose Ethernet or Other (I disconnected the Internal Modem, hoping that would help, but it didn't make any difference one way or the other).
>
> I don't know what you mean by "deleting" it, since it's not on the list.
>
> I've tried TWO different cards, both of which the seller says have been tested. I've seated them, re-seated them, rebooted, pressed the CUDA button, repaired disk permissions, everything I can think of.

I think I see the problem. This is a software issue.

The problem is likely that the 802.11 kext isn’t loading.

Startup by doing a Safe Boot holding the shift key which will force a rebuilding of the kext cache, hopefully getting the 802.11 kexts to load. If the kexts load, you should be able to open System Preferences > Network and it will automatically offer to add the new device port “Airport”. If this does NOT happen, then it’s likely the kext is still failing to load. You can open Applications > Utilities > Terminal and use the command “kextstat” to so the list of loaded kexts. Within this list you’ll be looking for “IO80211Family” and “AirPortBrcm43xx”. If they aren’t loaded, this is still the problem. At this point, it’s probably simplest to “refresh” your System software by reinstalling the 10.5.8 Combo Update, which will give you a fresh, up-to-date copy of the latest updated software. If the card isn’t recognized in System Preferences > Network, then you’ve got a more serious problem, perhaps a hardware issue?

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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #274325 is a reply to message #274139] Wed, 26 November 2014 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Il giorno 25/11/14 22.32, "Timothy Domst" ha scritto:

> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/814483?start=0&tst
>
> You need an antenna, apparently.

My experience says it isn't so.
I used a G5 DP 2,7 GHz for a couple years: it had the Airport card, but no
antenna.

In my case, the G5 always detected the card, and it was even able to use it,
but it had a meager receptivity: only if the source signal was within a
meter, it could receive anything.

Hence, I think the OP problem is not about the missing antenna (although the
antenna would be probably needed to properly use the card).


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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #276246 is a reply to message #274201] Sun, 21 December 2014 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kris:
Thanks for the advice. After various family health issues (and deaths)
since Thanksgiving, I only got around to giving this a try today.

As you suspected, those KEXTs are NOT installed. Unfortunately, none of the
steps you suggested managed to install any of them. Even after running the
10.5.8 updater again, Airport still isn't able to be 'picked', and running
the Terminal again, I can confirm the KEXTs still weren't installed after
running the updater.

I don't guess you have any more ideas? Or do you think there's some
hardware problem preventing the system from 'seeing' the card (and
therefore preventing installation of those KEXTs with the updater)?

Andy


On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:14:42 AM UTC-5, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
> On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:16 AM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group <
> g3-5...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> It does NOT appear in the "list" on the left-hand side of the System
> Preferences window, nor can it be added to it.
>
> When I click the "assist me" button, then click on "diagnostics", where it
> says "choose network port configuration", AirPort is GREYED-OUT (i.e. not
> selectable) in the list of choices. It only alllows me to choose Ethernet
> or Other (I disconnected the Internal Modem, hoping that would help, but it
> didn't make any difference one way or the other).
>
> I don't know what you mean by "deleting" it, since it's not on the list.
>
> I've tried TWO different cards, both of which the seller says have been
> tested. I've seated them, re-seated them, rebooted, pressed the CUDA
> button, repaired disk permissions, everything I can think of.
>
>
> I think I see the problem. This is a software issue.
>
> The problem is likely that the 802.11 kext isn’t loading.
>
> Startup by doing a Safe Boot holding the shift key which will force a
> rebuilding of the kext cache, hopefully getting the 802.11 kexts to load.
> If the kexts load, you should be able to open System Preferences > Network
> and it will automatically offer to add the new device port “Airport”. If
> this does NOT happen, then it’s likely the kext is still failing to load.
> You can open Applications > Utilities > Terminal and use the command
> “kextstat” to so the list of loaded kexts. Within this list you’ll be
> looking for “IO80211Family” and “AirPortBrcm43xx”. If they aren’t loaded,
> this is still the problem. At this point, it’s probably simplest to
> “refresh” your System software by reinstalling the 10.5.8 Combo Update,
> which will give you a fresh, up-to-date copy of the latest updated
> software. If the card isn’t recognized in System Preferences > Network,
> then you’ve got a more serious problem, perhaps a hardware issue?
>

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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #284117 is a reply to message #276246] Mon, 16 February 2015 05:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
P.M. Stefan is currently offline  P.M. Stefan
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Just a thought.

Did you recheck the connection of the Airport Extreme card inside your G5?
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On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 2:32 PM, 'mythmaker18' via G-Group <
g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Kris:
> Thanks for the advice. After various family health issues (and deaths)
> since Thanksgiving, I only got around to giving this a try today.
>
> As you suspected, those KEXTs are NOT installed. Unfortunately, none of
> the steps you suggested managed to install any of them. Even after running
> the 10.5.8 updater again, Airport still isn't able to be 'picked', and
> running the Terminal again, I can confirm the KEXTs still weren't installed
> after running the updater.
>
> I don't guess you have any more ideas? Or do you think there's some
> hardware problem preventing the system from 'seeing' the card (and
> therefore preventing installation of those KEXTs with the updater)?
>
> Andy
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Re: G5 won't recognise Airport Express card [message #284128 is a reply to message #284117] Mon, 16 February 2015 12:43 Go to previous message
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> Did you recheck the connection of the Airport Extreme card inside your G5?

The kexts for Airport (or competitive 802.11 networking) support all
reside as plug-ins in:

/System/Library/Extensions/IO80211Family.kext

In 10.9, these plug-ins are:

AirPortAtheros40 (handles the Atheros-based AirPort cards)

AirPortBrcm4331 (handles most Broadcom-based AirPort cards)

AirPortBrcm4360 (handles some Broadcom-based AirPort cards)

AppleAirPortBrcm43224 (handles the remainder Broadcom-based AirPort cards)

IO80211NetBooter

Within each of those are plists which identify the supported cards.

Often, all that is required is determining the PRECISE identity of a card
(using Apple's IORegistryExplorer tool), and then adding it to the related
kext, first by copying an existing plist, and second by changing that copy
to reflect the identity of the new card.

As but one example, the Apple-supplied Atheros WiFi cards are all 002a,
whereas the generic Atheros WiFi cards are all 002b.

Simply copying the plist for an 002a card, and changing it to 002b will
automagically add support for a generic 002b card as if it was an
Apple-supplied 002a card.

The very same concept applies to Broadcom cards.



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