| Yuki no Touge Tsurugi no Mai Manga [message #263221] |
Sat, 02 August 2014 02:15  |
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YUKI NO TOUGE TSURUGI NO MAI Manga
雪の峠・剣の舞; 雪之崖.剑之舞; Snow Ridge, Sword Dance; Yuki no Touge
Ken no Mai
Released: Author & Artist(s):
2001 Iwaaki Hitoshi
Genre(s): Action, Drama, Historical, Seinen, Tragedy
The closing stages of Sengoku (Warring States) Japan.
A setting commonly explored in Japanese manga through vivid scenes of
gory battles, samurai, and feats of bravery, honour, and loyalty.
Iwaaki Hitoshi dares to go against the popular grain by not focusing on
the 3 unifiers but on the common people.
Above from Manga Fox. Great list of freshly scanalated manga,
Google remains your friend and you can easily locate any that seem
interesting. Below are my comments.
Not very common people though, The first part concerns the
conflict within the Satake clan freshly moved to Dewa province from
their home grounds as a result of choosing the wrong side in the great
battle at Sekigahara. The lord has adopted an intelligent commoner
into the clan and the old samurai and counselors resent being put aside.
Well live by the sword die by the sword.
And the next part concerns a girl raped by brutes who slaughtered her
family and that girl wishes to learn sword fighting.
By the way there are amusing moments as well as horrific scenes.in both
stories.
bliss
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| Re: Yuki no Touge Tsurugi no Mai Manga [message #263440 is a reply to message #263221] |
Mon, 04 August 2014 20:42  |
Kenneth M. Lin
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I have the aforementioned book but struggled to get into it as it was a
rather tedious read with dialogues that are hard to keep track of in
Japanese.
Iwaaki (岩明 均) is most famous for Kiseiju (寄生獣), an alien invasion story
taking place in a small town. The alien is supposed to take over the brain
of the host but one failed and got stuck at the right arm but then developed
friendship with the victim and helped destroyed rest of the aliens.
He's currently doing Historie (ヒストリエ), about an obscure Macedonian scholar
Eumenues that served under Alexander the Great. This is a super slow work
of love and despite started in 2003, it's only at volume 8. With the pace
he's going, this story might never finish.
"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lrhvlg$acr$1@dont-email.me...
YUKI NO TOUGE TSURUGI NO MAI Manga
雪の峠・剣の舞; 雪之崖.剑之舞; Snow Ridge, Sword Dance; Yuki no Touge
Ken no Mai
Released: Author & Artist(s):
2001 Iwaaki Hitoshi
Genre(s): Action, Drama, Historical, Seinen, Tragedy
The closing stages of Sengoku (Warring States) Japan.
A setting commonly explored in Japanese manga through vivid scenes of
gory battles, samurai, and feats of bravery, honour, and loyalty.
Iwaaki Hitoshi dares to go against the popular grain by not focusing on
the 3 unifiers but on the common people.
Above from Manga Fox. Great list of freshly scanalated manga,
Google remains your friend and you can easily locate any that seem
interesting. Below are my comments.
Not very common people though, The first part concerns the
conflict within the Satake clan freshly moved to Dewa province from
their home grounds as a result of choosing the wrong side in the great
battle at Sekigahara. The lord has adopted an intelligent commoner
into the clan and the old samurai and counselors resent being put aside.
Well live by the sword die by the sword.
And the next part concerns a girl raped by brutes who slaughtered her
family and that girl wishes to learn sword fighting.
By the way there are amusing moments as well as horrific scenes.in both
stories.
bliss
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| Re: Yuki no Touge Tsurugi no Mai Manga [message #263469 is a reply to message #263440] |
Tue, 05 August 2014 10:56 |
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On 08/04/2014 05:42 PM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
> I have the aforementioned book but struggled to get into it as it was a
> rather tedious read with dialogues that are hard to keep track of in
> Japanese.
Some of the spoken parts are quite laconic.
It would need more panels if speech were added but some of the
characters may have had reputations for being tight-lipped. The most
important part that I got from the 2nd part was that the bamboo sword
was adopted. Before this the wooden sword such as Musashi trained with
were the rule and these as in Musashi's hands could be deadly weapons.
From the first part the lesson the readers were meant to take
away was that the daimyo did the right thing in adopting the commoner
who is remembered for the foundation work he did 500 years ago.
>
> Iwaaki (岩明 均) is most famous for Kiseiju (寄生獣), an alien invasion
> story taking place in a small town. The alien is supposed to take over
> the brain of the host but one failed and got stuck at the right arm but
> then developed friendship with the victim and helped destroyed rest of
> the aliens.
>
> He's currently doing Historie (ヒストリエ), about an obscure Macedonian
> scholar Eumenues that served under Alexander the Great. This is a
> super slow work of love and despite started in 2003, it's only at volume
> 8. With the pace he's going, this story might never finish.
I worried about that with the very long fantasy novel, the Wheel of
Time but the author did die and a competent man finished
the books.
bliss
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lrhvlg$acr$1@dont-email.me...
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> YUKI NO TOUGE TSURUGI NO MAI Manga
> 雪の峠・剣の舞; 雪之崖.剑之舞; Snow Ridge, Sword Dance; Yuki no Touge
> Ken no Mai
> Released: Author & Artist(s):
> 2001 Iwaaki Hitoshi
> Genre(s): Action, Drama, Historical, Seinen, Tragedy
>
> The closing stages of Sengoku (Warring States) Japan.
> A setting commonly explored in Japanese manga through vivid scenes of
> gory battles, samurai, and feats of bravery, honour, and loyalty.
> Iwaaki Hitoshi dares to go against the popular grain by not focusing on
> the 3 unifiers but on the common people.
>
> Above from Manga Fox. Great list of freshly scanalated manga,
> Google remains your friend and you can easily locate any that seem
> interesting. Below are my comments.
>
> Not very common people though, The first part concerns the
> conflict within the Satake clan freshly moved to Dewa province from
> their home grounds as a result of choosing the wrong side in the great
> battle at Sekigahara. The lord has adopted an intelligent commoner
> into the clan and the old samurai and counselors resent being put aside.
>
> Well live by the sword die by the sword.
>
> And the next part concerns a girl raped by brutes who slaughtered her
> family and that girl wishes to learn sword fighting.
>
> By the way there are amusing moments as well as horrific scenes.in both
> stories.
>
> bliss
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| Re: Yuki no Touge Tsurugi no Mai Manga [message #263516 is a reply to message #263469] |
Tue, 05 August 2014 21:04 |
Kenneth M. Lin
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"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lrqrbs$12t$1@dont-email.me...
On 08/04/2014 05:42 PM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
> I have the aforementioned book but struggled to get into it as it was a
> rather tedious read with dialogues that are hard to keep track of in
> Japanese.
Some of the spoken parts are quite laconic.
It would need more panels if speech were added but some of the
characters may have had reputations for being tight-lipped. The most
important part that I got from the 2nd part was that the bamboo sword
was adopted. Before this the wooden sword such as Musashi trained with
were the rule and these as in Musashi's hands could be deadly weapons.
From the first part the lesson the readers were meant to take
away was that the daimyo did the right thing in adopting the commoner
who is remembered for the foundation work he did 500 years ago.
>
> Iwaaki (岩明 均) is most famous for Kiseiju (寄生獣), an alien invasion
> story taking place in a small town. The alien is supposed to take over
> the brain of the host but one failed and got stuck at the right arm but
> then developed friendship with the victim and helped destroyed rest of
> the aliens.
>
> He's currently doing Historie (ヒストリエ), about an obscure Macedonian
> scholar Eumenues that served under Alexander the Great. This is a
> super slow work of love and despite started in 2003, it's only at volume
> 8. With the pace he's going, this story might never finish.
I worried about that with the very long fantasy novel, the Wheel of
Time but the author did die and a competent man finished
the books.
bliss
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Tezuka passed away leaving many works unfinished. I read that he kept
drawing in his bed until his passing.
One book I am anxiously waiting to be concluded is Berserk. I enjoy each
episode but it's clear that the author is just dragging his feet until the
final confrontation between Guts and Griffith. The book sort of turned into
something like a video game with the characters encountering "something"
every step but the main plot is nowhere near resolution.
There's Guin Saga, which began in 1979 and is currently at volume 132. I
acquired the first ten volumes, read the first one, and thought that it was
quite awful and too decompressed and couldn't bring myself to pick up the
2nd book. Perhaps it got better somewhere because it's quite popular in
Japan.
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| Re: Yuki no Touge Tsurugi no Mai Manga [message #263522 is a reply to message #263516] |
Tue, 05 August 2014 22:51 |
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On 08/05/2014 06:04 PM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lrqrbs$12t$1@dont-email.me...
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> On 08/04/2014 05:42 PM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>> I have the aforementioned book but struggled to get into it as it was a
>> rather tedious read with dialogues that are hard to keep track of in
>> Japanese.
>
> Some of the spoken parts are quite laconic.
> It would need more panels if speech were added but some of the
> characters may have had reputations for being tight-lipped. The most
> important part that I got from the 2nd part was that the bamboo sword
> was adopted. Before this the wooden sword such as Musashi trained with
> were the rule and these as in Musashi's hands could be deadly weapons.
>
> From the first part the lesson the readers were meant to take
> away was that the daimyo did the right thing in adopting the commoner
> who is remembered for the foundation work he did 500 years ago.
>
>
>
>>
>> Iwaaki (岩明 均) is most famous for Kiseiju (寄生獣), an alien invasion
>> story taking place in a small town. The alien is supposed to take over
>> the brain of the host but one failed and got stuck at the right arm but
>> then developed friendship with the victim and helped destroyed rest of
>> the aliens.
>>
>> He's currently doing Historie (ヒストリエ), about an obscure Macedonian
>> scholar Eumenues that served under Alexander the Great. This is a
>> super slow work of love and despite started in 2003, it's only at volume
>> 8. With the pace he's going, this story might never finish.
>
> I worried about that with the very long fantasy novel, the Wheel of
> Time but the author did die and a competent man finished
> the books.
>
> bliss
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> Tezuka passed away leaving many works unfinished. I read that he kept
> drawing in his bed until his passing.
Really a classic case of graphic-mania. I.e. he was driven to
express himself. Sometimes writers do the same thing compulsively
writing. With Tezuka he was making as much legacy material as possible.
>
> One book I am anxiously waiting to be concluded is Berserk. I enjoy
> each episode but it's clear that the author is just dragging his feet
> until the final confrontation between Guts and Griffith. The book sort
> of turned into something like a video game with the characters
> encountering "something" every step but the main plot is nowhere near
> resolution.
This is the problem with published success, between the publisher's
need to sell more books and the public's desire to read
as much story as possible the conclusion of the story is put off
indefinitely.
>
> There's Guin Saga, which began in 1979 and is currently at volume 132.
> I acquired the first ten volumes, read the first one, and thought that
> it was quite awful and too decompressed and couldn't bring myself to
> pick up the 2nd book. Perhaps it got better somewhere because it's
> quite popular in Japan.
Yes well... I think some of the stuff we find unpleasant may be being
out of sync with the Japanese culture. We can read all about it
but not being raised there with the full influence of the family we
will never begin to figure out some matters. It is equally hard for
those Japanese who come to the West to figure out some American values
such as Freedom of Speech. Of course we seem to have many Americans
some elected to office who fail to realize the necessity of Freedom
of Speech and Expression.
bliss
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| Re: Yuki no Touge Tsurugi no Mai Manga [message #263635 is a reply to message #263469] |
Thu, 07 August 2014 13:51 |
Kenneth M. Lin
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"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lrqrbs$12t$1@dont-email.me...
On 08/04/2014 05:42 PM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
> I have the aforementioned book but struggled to get into it as it was a
> rather tedious read with dialogues that are hard to keep track of in
> Japanese.
Some of the spoken parts are quite laconic.
It would need more panels if speech were added but some of the
characters may have had reputations for being tight-lipped. The most
important part that I got from the 2nd part was that the bamboo sword
was adopted. Before this the wooden sword such as Musashi trained with
were the rule and these as in Musashi's hands could be deadly weapons.
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Vagabond is an interesting but excessively fabricated manga series about
Miyamoto Musahi that's also translated into English. This is a rather
graphic book with Musashi killing many in his quest to become the best.
It's almost as bad as the Roman gladiators that had to fight to the death.
Musashi preferred wooden sword over real one because real sword could only
handled blocking another sword only so many times before shattering. Then
it'd be no good. (That's why samurai often carried a second, shorter sword
as backup.)
Musashi allegedly used a wooden sword (that he fabricated from an oar while
in transit) in his duel with Sasaki Kojiro. Now, some record indicated that
Kojiro was way into his 60s at the time of the duel and Musahi even brought
his students to back him up even though he agreed that this would be a
private affair. In Vagabond Kojiro is portrayed as a mute youth that grew
up near the ocean.
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| Vagaborn and the real Miyamoto Musashi xRe: Yuki no Touge Tsurugi no Mai Manga [message #263645 is a reply to message #263635] |
Thu, 07 August 2014 14:11 |
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On 08/07/2014 10:51 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
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> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lrqrbs$12t$1@dont-email.me...
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> On 08/04/2014 05:42 PM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>> I have the aforementioned book but struggled to get into it as it was a
>> rather tedious read with dialogues that are hard to keep track of in
>> Japanese.
>
> Some of the spoken parts are quite laconic.
> It would need more panels if speech were added but some of the
> characters may have had reputations for being tight-lipped. The most
> important part that I got from the 2nd part was that the bamboo sword
> was adopted. Before this the wooden sword such as Musashi trained with
> were the rule and these as in Musashi's hands could be deadly weapons.
>
> ----------------------------
>
> Vagabond is an interesting but excessively fabricated manga series about
> Miyamoto Musahi that's also translated into English. This is a rather
> graphic book with Musashi killing many in his quest to become the best.
> It's almost as bad as the Roman gladiators that had to fight to the death.
Well in real life Musashi was apparently interested in getting a
shogunate position as instructor but the Yagyo who were the Shogun's
kenjitus instructors vetoed him as they believe his style, 2 sword,
eventually called Niten-Ryo, depended too much on his extaordinary
physical power. And then too since he had been originally a Toyotomi
supporter it was easy to shunt him aside. If he had been taken as
shogunate instructor he might too have learned all he needed to
know to defeat the Yagyo school.
>
> Musashi preferred wooden sword over real one because real sword could
> only handled blocking another sword only so many times before
> shattering. Then it'd be no good. (That's why samurai often carried a
> second, shorter sword as backup.)
Well i thought the shorter sword was for suicide.
>
> Musashi allegedly used a wooden sword (that he fabricated from an oar
> while in transit) in his duel with Sasaki Kojiro. Now, some record
> indicated that Kojiro was way into his 60s at the time of the duel and
> Musahi even brought his students to back him up even though he agreed
> that this would be a private affair. In Vagabond Kojiro is portrayed as
> a mute youth that grew up near the ocean.
>
Well I am satisficd with the fiction upon which the Vagabond series and
the movie triology are based.
Every thing we know about Musashi is base on his writing and on
a stele of goodly size erected by one of his adopted sons. After he
found a job instructing with a daimyo. Musashi also designed
Samuria towns and fought with the Shogunate forces suppressing
the rebellion of the Christians on Kyushu This of course would
spoil his youthful reputation so it will never be depicted.
So raising this topic allows me to add this bit
of bunka, my brief review of a biography of the great hero,
the "sword saint".
"Miyamoto Musashi" His Life and Writings by Kenji Tokitsu, a
martial artist himself who relates all the accounts known of
Musashi's life and works, the extant versions of his various
martial arts rules and how the tradition, the school, the ryu, was
transmitted. He talks about the difference between the martial
arts in Musashi's time when duels to the death both in the dojo and
on the battlefield were common to the present day when the arts are
done indoors on tatami or hardwood. This includes a new
translation of the Gorin No Sho, the Book Of 5 Rings.
Reproductions of art works by Musashi are included and a portrait
or two of the master.
It give details of the swords used and how the monk Jion in the
13th Century taught the Nen Ryu and how this may have led to the
Niten Ichi Ryu (Niten was the signature used on Musashi's art
works). What role the jitte played in the development of the two
swords school and who Musashi most likely learned it from. How as
boy of 12 he killed an adept of another school. How he taught
overnite another young boy to win in a duel to the death to achieve
vengence for the wrong done him. Even the ultimate secrets of the
weapon masters are spoken of.
Endnotes and fully indexed and references with full
bibliograpy.
Published by Weatherhill Boston & London � 2005
ISBN 0-8348-0567-7 paperback alkaline paper. US $27.95
I wish I could afford to own this one.
It was borrowed from the San Francisco Public Library
system.
bliss
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| Re: Vagaborn and the real Miyamoto Musashi xRe: Yuki no Touge Tsurugi no Mai Manga [message #263657 is a reply to message #263645] |
Thu, 07 August 2014 21:53 |
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 11:11:51 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Well i thought the shorter sword was for suicide.
The truth is less impressive: a short sword is more practical than a full
length sword for indoor, close quarters fighting. This is probably the
origin of the custom of leaving long swords at the entrance while keeping
the companion blades (short swords and knives) close at hand.
It just so happens that a short blade is more "practical" than a full
length sword for slicing open one's guts.
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I found a copy of Heureka (or Eureka) by the same author yesterday. Reading
it, I can see where he got the idea for Historie. Essentially, it's about a
youth in Bronze Age that uses his inventiveness to defeat invading forces.
The author tends to use the same face for the main character so if he had
inserted this book in the middle of Historie, people might not even know
that it's about a different character. Heureka does take place in different
time but even the costumes appear to be very similar.
I do have gripes about how the title is written in Japanese. It's
pronounced "He-Wu-Raker." When I saw this in Japanese Wikipedia, I couldn't
determine what the word meant and it sounds like Hellraisers.
The Japanese title for Berserk is Be-Ru-Se-Ru-Ku. Not until I came across
English version at Borders Book did I realize what the author meant.
Tezuka's Blackjack is another confusing manga title using broken English.
"Kenneth M. Lin" wrote in message news:lrp98q$13g$1@dont-email.me...
I have the aforementioned book but struggled to get into it as it was a
rather tedious read with dialogues that are hard to keep track of in
Japanese.
Iwaaki (岩明 均) is most famous for Kiseiju (寄生獣), an alien invasion story
taking place in a small town. The alien is supposed to take over the brain
of the host but one failed and got stuck at the right arm but then developed
friendship with the victim and helped destroyed rest of the aliens.
He's currently doing Historie (ヒストリエ), about an obscure Macedonian scholar
Eumenues that served under Alexander the Great. This is a super slow work
of love and despite started in 2003, it's only at volume 8. With the pace
he's going, this story might never finish.
"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lrhvlg$acr$1@dont-email.me...
YUKI NO TOUGE TSURUGI NO MAI Manga
雪の峠・剣の舞; 雪之崖.剑之舞; Snow Ridge, Sword Dance; Yuki no Touge
Ken no Mai
Released: Author & Artist(s):
2001 Iwaaki Hitoshi
Genre(s): Action, Drama, Historical, Seinen, Tragedy
The closing stages of Sengoku (Warring States) Japan.
A setting commonly explored in Japanese manga through vivid scenes of
gory battles, samurai, and feats of bravery, honour, and loyalty.
Iwaaki Hitoshi dares to go against the popular grain by not focusing on
the 3 unifiers but on the common people.
Above from Manga Fox. Great list of freshly scanalated manga,
Google remains your friend and you can easily locate any that seem
interesting. Below are my comments.
Not very common people though, The first part concerns the
conflict within the Satake clan freshly moved to Dewa province from
their home grounds as a result of choosing the wrong side in the great
battle at Sekigahara. The lord has adopted an intelligent commoner
into the clan and the old samurai and counselors resent being put aside.
Well live by the sword die by the sword.
And the next part concerns a girl raped by brutes who slaughtered her
family and that girl wishes to learn sword fighting.
By the way there are amusing moments as well as horrific scenes.in both
stories.
bliss
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Mon, 18 January 2016 23:18 |
Kenneth M. Lin
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"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lrhvlg$acr$1@dont-email.me...
YUKI NO TOUGE TSURUGI NO MAI Manga
雪の峠・剣の舞; 雪之崖.剑之舞; Snow Ridge, Sword Dance; Yuki no Touge
Ken no Mai
Released: Author & Artist(s):
2001 Iwaaki Hitoshi
Genre(s): Action, Drama, Historical, Seinen, Tragedy
The closing stages of Sengoku (Warring States) Japan.
A setting commonly explored in Japanese manga through vivid scenes of
gory battles, samurai, and feats of bravery, honour, and loyalty.
Iwaaki Hitoshi dares to go against the popular grain by not focusing on
the 3 unifiers but on the common people.
Above from Manga Fox. Great list of freshly scanalated manga,
Google remains your friend and you can easily locate any that seem
interesting. Below are my comments.
Not very common people though, The first part concerns the
conflict within the Satake clan freshly moved to Dewa province from
their home grounds as a result of choosing the wrong side in the great
battle at Sekigahara. The lord has adopted an intelligent commoner
into the clan and the old samurai and counselors resent being put aside.
Well live by the sword die by the sword.
And the next part concerns a girl raped by brutes who slaughtered her
family and that girl wishes to learn sword fighting.
By the way there are amusing moments as well as horrific scenes.in both
stories.
bliss
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Okay, I finally got around to reading this book today. It's composed of two
perhaps based on true stories. The first is about a shogun that sided with
the wrong side and lost his territory. Subsequently he was given another
territory and squabbled with his advisors as to where to build the castle.
A young advisor surmised that war is over and focused on commerce while the
old guards want a fortress that could take decades to build and bankrupt
them.
The second story is about a girl seeking revenge and sought out a real
swordsman to teach her to fight. It also assigned the credit for inventing
the bamboo sword to a master although I am not sure if he was the actual
inventor. This bamboo sword allowed his best student to train the girl
without causing her injuries and she was able to accomplish her goal.
At the end of the second story, the student bested the head of Yagyu clan
with the bamboo sword and Yagyu ended up studying the technique and inherit
it as their own.
This author is quite famous for Parasyte and Historie but is super slow so I
doubt he will draw more than 10,000 pages in his lifetime.
Ken
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