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Just a copy of the first paragraph of the post.
bliss
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Post : Chocolat à la Folie: Genshiken II, Chapter 100
URL : http://ogiuemaniax.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/chocolat-a-la-fo lie-genshiken-ii-chapter-100/
Posted : May 30, 2014 at 12:58 pm
Author : sdshamshel
Tags : episodic review, genshiken nidaime, genshiken second season, hato kenjirou, valentine's day, yajima
Categories : genshiken, genshiken ii, holiday, manga, ogiue, review
http://sdsandwiches.com/genshiken100-sue.png
Can you believe it's finally Chapter 100? Genshiken has come a long way, and you'd expect a manga to make a pretty big deal out of something like this, but this month is actually fairly low-key in spite of it being about Valentine's Day. Perhaps that casual approach is the most appropriate way to celebrate Genshiken.
I get the feeling most people reading this will be familiar with the distinction between giri (platonic) and honmei (romantic) chocolates in Japanese Valentine's Day, but I'm pointing out the distinction here just in case.
The women of Genshiken are buying chocolates for Valentine's Day, though in the spirit of cooperation and camaraderie they've decided to buy their chocolates together, and for everyone to buy each other chocolates. Or rather, that is the plan on the surface, as it's really an opportunity for everyone to buy chocolates for their respective crushes and make it look like an egalitarian affair. Yajima appears to chicken out at the last second and just buys a box of chocolates for everyone to share, but this too is revealed to be a ruse. Kuchiki comes in and is (somewhat justifiably) angry that no one remembered to give him chocolate, and Yajima gives the chocolates meant for Hato to Hato but only so that he can offer them to Kuchiki to quell his nerd rage. In the end, Hato (with Sue) goes over to give him some honmei chocolate, which causes Madarame to blush profusely.
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[Much more omitted so go to the first URL if you want to read it.]
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| Re: From Oguie Maniax Genshiken reaches Chapter 100 [message #253818 is a reply to message #253802] |
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It sounds like another European culture warped by Asian.
The sucky part is that the man who received chocolate is expected to
reciprocate with even more expensive gifts on March 14th, called White Day.
Did you know that they eat fried chicken during Christmas in Japan?
"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lmapcq$7pt$2@dont-email.me...
Just a copy of the first paragraph of the post.
bliss
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Post : Chocolat à la Folie: Genshiken II, Chapter 100
URL :
http://ogiuemaniax.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/chocolat-a-la-fo lie-genshiken-ii-chapter-100/
Posted : May 30, 2014 at 12:58 pm
Author : sdshamshel
Tags : episodic review, genshiken nidaime, genshiken second season,
hato kenjirou, valentine's day, yajima
Categories : genshiken, genshiken ii, holiday, manga, ogiue, review
http://sdsandwiches.com/genshiken100-sue.png
Can you believe it's finally Chapter 100? Genshiken has come a long way, and
you'd expect a manga to make a pretty big deal out of something like this,
but this month is actually fairly low-key in spite of it being about
Valentine's Day. Perhaps that casual approach is the most appropriate way to
celebrate Genshiken.
I get the feeling most people reading this will be familiar with the
distinction between giri (platonic) and honmei (romantic) chocolates in
Japanese Valentine's Day, but I'm pointing out the distinction here just in
case.
The women of Genshiken are buying chocolates for Valentine's Day, though in
the spirit of cooperation and camaraderie they've decided to buy their
chocolates together, and for everyone to buy each other chocolates. Or
rather, that is the plan on the surface, as it's really an opportunity for
everyone to buy chocolates for their respective crushes and make it look
like an egalitarian affair. Yajima appears to chicken out at the last second
and just buys a box of chocolates for everyone to share, but this too is
revealed to be a ruse. Kuchiki comes in and is (somewhat justifiably) angry
that no one remembered to give him chocolate, and Yajima gives the
chocolates meant for Hato to Hato but only so that he can offer them to
Kuchiki to quell his nerd rage. In the end, Hato (with Sue) goes over to
give him some honmei chocolate, which causes Madarame to blush profusely.
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[Much more omitted so go to the first URL if you want to read it.]
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| Re: From Oguie Maniax Genshiken reaches Chapter 100 [message #253819 is a reply to message #253818] |
Sun, 01 June 2014 00:19 |
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On 05/31/2014 08:14 PM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
> It sounds like another European culture warped by Asian.
Adopted and adapted rather than warped would be my estimate.
It has a purpose much like the original purpose of gifts of sweets on
Valentine's Day. Here in the West of the USA we tediously
demand unselective expressions of love from children who are in no
way acquainted with more than parental love and friendship with other
children. Besides it is an anime & manga trope
>
> The sucky part is that the man who received chocolate is expected to
> reciprocate with even more expensive gifts on March 14th, called White Day.
Only if they want the relationship to progress. That is a world-wide
sort of courtship ritual exchanges. At least she does
not have to deliver a small herd of cattle to him if the relationship
flowers.
The more generous the gifts of course the more demonstration
of the economic strength required for permanent relationship and of
course child support.
Lovely adopted and adapted custom,
bliss
>
> Did you know that they eat fried chicken during Christmas in Japan?
And Christmas Cake as observed in countless animes and manga,
Nothing wrong with fried chicken at any time of year even if I
never bother with anything but baked or braised chicken or other fowl.
I would rather have barbecued spareribs or grilled eel.
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lmapcq$7pt$2@dont-email.me...
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> Just a copy of the first paragraph of the post.
>
> bliss
>
> ==================================
>
> Post : Chocolat à la Folie: Genshiken II, Chapter 100
> URL :
> http://ogiuemaniax.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/chocolat-a-la-fo lie-genshiken-ii-chapter-100/
>
> Posted : May 30, 2014 at 12:58 pm
> Author : sdshamshel
> Tags : episodic review, genshiken nidaime, genshiken second
> season, hato kenjirou, valentine's day, yajima
> Categories : genshiken, genshiken ii, holiday, manga, ogiue, review
>
> http://sdsandwiches.com/genshiken100-sue.png
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> Can you believe it's finally Chapter 100? Genshiken has come a long way,
> and you'd expect a manga to make a pretty big deal out of something like
> this, but this month is actually fairly low-key in spite of it being
> about Valentine's Day. Perhaps that casual approach is the most
> appropriate way to celebrate Genshiken.
>
> I get the feeling most people reading this will be familiar with the
> distinction between giri (platonic) and honmei (romantic) chocolates in
> Japanese Valentine's Day, but I'm pointing out the distinction here just
> in case.
>
> The women of Genshiken are buying chocolates for Valentine's Day, though
> in the spirit of cooperation and camaraderie they've decided to buy
> their chocolates together, and for everyone to buy each other
> chocolates. Or rather, that is the plan on the surface, as it's really
> an opportunity for everyone to buy chocolates for their respective
> crushes and make it look like an egalitarian affair. Yajima appears to
> chicken out at the last second and just buys a box of chocolates for
> everyone to share, but this too is revealed to be a ruse. Kuchiki comes
> in and is (somewhat justifiably) angry that no one remembered to give
> him chocolate, and Yajima gives the chocolates meant for Hato to Hato
> but only so that he can offer them to Kuchiki to quell his nerd rage. In
> the end, Hato (with Sue) goes over to give him some honmei chocolate,
> which causes Madarame to blush profusely.
> ==================================
> [Much more omitted so go to the first URL if you want to read it.]
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| Re: From Oguie Maniax Genshiken reaches Chapter 100 [message #253853 is a reply to message #253802] |
Sun, 01 June 2014 12:37 |
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On 05/31/2014 05:55 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Just a copy of the first paragraph of the post.
>
> bliss
>
> ==================================
>
> Post : Chocolat à la Folie: Genshiken II, Chapter 100
> URL : http://ogiuemaniax.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/chocolat-a-la-fo lie-genshiken-ii-chapter-100/
> Posted : May 30, 2014 at 12:58 pm
> Author : sdshamshel
> Tags : episodic review, genshiken nidaime, genshiken second season, hato kenjirou, valentine's day, yajima
> Categories : genshiken, genshiken ii, holiday, manga, ogiue, review
>
> http://sdsandwiches.com/genshiken100-sue.png
>
> Can you believe it's finally Chapter 100? Genshiken has come a long way, and you'd expect a manga to make a pretty big deal out of something like this, but this month is actually fairly low-key in spite of it being about Valentine's Day. Perhaps that casual approach is the most appropriate way to celebrate Genshiken.
>
> I get the feeling most people reading this will be familiar with the distinction between giri (platonic) and honmei (romantic) chocolates in Japanese Valentine's Day, but I'm pointing out the distinction here just in case.
>
> The women of Genshiken are buying chocolates for Valentine's Day, though in the spirit of cooperation and camaraderie they've decided to buy their chocolates together, and for everyone to buy each other chocolates. Or rather, that is the plan on the surface, as it's really an opportunity for everyone to buy chocolates for their respective crushes and make it look like an egalitarian affair. Yajima appears to chicken out at the last second and just buys a box of chocolates for everyone to share, but this too is revealed to be a ruse. Kuchiki comes in and is (somewhat justifiably) angry that no one remembered to give him chocolate, and Yajima gives the chocolates meant for Hato to Hato but only so that he can offer them to Kuchiki to quell his nerd rage. In the end, Hato (with Sue) goes over to give him some honmei chocolate, which causes Madarame to blush profusely.
> ==================================
> [Much more omitted so go to the first URL if you want to read it.]
>
Well it is now online and I have read it and the story still has legs
and some places left to visit. Chocolate for Kuchiki and for
Madarame, inspiration for K and blushes for M.
bliss
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| Re: From Oguie Maniax Genshiken reaches Chapter 100 [message #253873 is a reply to message #253872] |
Sun, 01 June 2014 19:09 |
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On 06/01/2014 03:38 PM, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2014 21:19:29 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
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>> Lovely adopted and adapted custom,
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> I'd have said "commercialized the hell out of". But then, we're no
> different in the west.
>
And commercialization is bad because someone makes a profit?
I like a lot of the Japanese customs like buying gifts for friends and
associated while traveling. In the USA we are lucky to
get postcards and home travel movies or even photos or slides. I am
sure that one of the purposes of the school trip is to incalculate
the gift buying behavior.
Valentine's Day is not taken too seriously because we don't make the
distinction between gifts given to respected people and gifts
given to loved ones. This cuts the sales down terrifically. If we
had to come up with gifts for co-workers and friends would not sales
expand?
But we reverse that in our Xmas celebrations and must provide
a gift for nearly everyone we know, while in Japan only lovers exchange
gifts the last I knew at the Christmas season.
We forget the spiritual importance of many holidays such as
Halloween or the Eve of All Saints which is not forgotten on the
equivalent Japanese holiday.
In addition to the specifically Japanese holidays they celebrate
the natural cycle with holidays for Solstices and Equinoctial events
All this seems very good to me but of course I don't live in
Japan so I could be wrong.
bliss
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| Re: From Oguie Maniax Genshiken reaches Chapter 100 [message #254150 is a reply to message #253873] |
Wed, 04 June 2014 11:00 |
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The winter recess in Japanese schools is only two weeks and they give you
one week off this year and another week the next year so you have a whole
week to enjoy New Year. This means that you have school until Christmas Eve
and they still don't have the whole month of Christmas "shopping" season
like America because they don't celebrate Thanksgiving over there. (And I'd
be disturbed if they start celebrating Thanksgiving.)
"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lmgbs2$adn$2@dont-email.me...
And commercialization is bad because someone makes a profit?
I like a lot of the Japanese customs like buying gifts for friends and
associated while traveling. In the USA we are lucky to
get postcards and home travel movies or even photos or slides. I am
sure that one of the purposes of the school trip is to incalculate
the gift buying behavior.
Valentine's Day is not taken too seriously because we don't make the
distinction between gifts given to respected people and gifts
given to loved ones. This cuts the sales down terrifically. If we
had to come up with gifts for co-workers and friends would not sales
expand?
But we reverse that in our Xmas celebrations and must provide
a gift for nearly everyone we know, while in Japan only lovers exchange
gifts the last I knew at the Christmas season.
We forget the spiritual importance of many holidays such as
Halloween or the Eve of All Saints which is not forgotten on the
equivalent Japanese holiday.
In addition to the specifically Japanese holidays they celebrate
the natural cycle with holidays for Solstices and Equinoctial events
All this seems very good to me but of course I don't live in
Japan so I could be wrong.
bliss
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| Re: From Oguie Maniax Genshiken reaches Chapter 100 [message #254151 is a reply to message #254150] |
Wed, 04 June 2014 12:08 |
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On 06/04/2014 08:00 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
> The winter recess in Japanese schools is only two weeks and they give
> you one week off this year and another week the next year so you have a
> whole week to enjoy New Year. This means that you have school until
> Christmas Eve and they still don't have the whole month of Christmas
> "shopping" season like America because they don't celebrate Thanksgiving
> over there. (And I'd be disturbed if they start celebrating Thanksgiving.)
As far as I am concerned that is more sensible than the amount of time
spent on Xmas a commercial holiday in the USA.
As for the Thanksgiving that is fine. They do the same things
as North Americans do only at different holidays. Over New Year Holiday
the return to their home towns as Americans attempt to assemble their
extended families during TG, TG is an North American holiday intended
to celebrate good harvests and commemorate the early successes of the
NA colonist. I think the Japanese have several holidays to reconnect
with ancestral spirits as well as individual observances.
So Japanese holidays and celebrations are important to a nation
with about 5X the real history as the European-Americans have. Of
course we get to absorb the history of the nations who did and did not
contribute colonists to NA. For cultural monuments we substitute the
natural wonders of North American such as the Grand Canyon of the
Colorado.
Our history is short but in the last 100 years or so our decadence is
unsurpassed while largely unacknowledged by the establishment.
bliss
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lmgbs2$adn$2@dont-email.me...
>
> And commercialization is bad because someone makes a profit?
>
> I like a lot of the Japanese customs like buying gifts for friends and
> associated while traveling. In the USA we are lucky to
> get postcards and home travel movies or even photos or slides. I am
> sure that one of the purposes of the school trip is to incalculate
> the gift buying behavior.
>
> Valentine's Day is not taken too seriously because we don't make the
> distinction between gifts given to respected people and gifts
> given to loved ones. This cuts the sales down terrifically. If we
> had to come up with gifts for co-workers and friends would not sales
> expand?
>
> But we reverse that in our Xmas celebrations and must provide
> a gift for nearly everyone we know, while in Japan only lovers exchange
> gifts the last I knew at the Christmas season.
>
> We forget the spiritual importance of many holidays such as
> Halloween or the Eve of All Saints which is not forgotten on the
> equivalent Japanese holiday.
> In addition to the specifically Japanese holidays they celebrate
> the natural cycle with holidays for Solstices and Equinoctial events
> All this seems very good to me but of course I don't live in
> Japan so I could be wrong.
>
> bliss
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"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lmngao$tqg$2@dont-email.me...
As far as I am concerned that is more sensible than the amount of time
spent on Xmas a commercial holiday in the USA.
As for the Thanksgiving that is fine. They do the same things
as North Americans do only at different holidays. Over New Year Holiday
the return to their home towns as Americans attempt to assemble their
extended families during TG, TG is an North American holiday intended
to celebrate good harvests and commemorate the early successes of the
NA colonist. I think the Japanese have several holidays to reconnect
with ancestral spirits as well as individual observances.
So Japanese holidays and celebrations are important to a nation
with about 5X the real history as the European-Americans have. Of
course we get to absorb the history of the nations who did and did not
contribute colonists to NA. For cultural monuments we substitute the
natural wonders of North American such as the Grand Canyon of the
Colorado.
Our history is short but in the last 100 years or so our decadence is
unsurpassed while largely unacknowledged by the establishment.
bliss
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You said it. I bet most youths in America has no clues what we are
celebrating on Labor Day and Memorial Day. America is also the only country
that has all the holidays on Mondays or Fridays so we could have three-day
weekend. (And in the case of Thanksgiving, four days off!)
I recently read that in Japan, falling asleep at work is consider a virtue
as it indicates that you are there 24/7. Of course, you can only doze off
sitting upright at your desk.
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On 06/06/2014 08:29 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lmngao$tqg$2@dont-email.me...
>
> As far as I am concerned that is more sensible than the amount of time
> spent on Xmas a commercial holiday in the USA.
> As for the Thanksgiving that is fine. They do the same things
> as North Americans do only at different holidays. Over New Year Holiday
> the return to their home towns as Americans attempt to assemble their
> extended families during TG, TG is an North American holiday intended
> to celebrate good harvests and commemorate the early successes of the
> NA colonist. I think the Japanese have several holidays to reconnect
> with ancestral spirits as well as individual observances.
>
> So Japanese holidays and celebrations are important to a nation
> with about 5X the real history as the European-Americans have. Of
> course we get to absorb the history of the nations who did and did not
> contribute colonists to NA. For cultural monuments we substitute the
> natural wonders of North American such as the Grand Canyon of the
> Colorado.
I should have said if we are concerned with history which does
not dominate most people's thoughts in the USA. I perhaps am slightly
less concerned with history than with anime and manga, printed science
fiction, detective stories real science but all this should be in my
opinion of at least a readable quality.
>
> Our history is short but in the last 100 years or so our decadence is
> unsurpassed while largely unacknowledged by the establishment.
>
> bliss
>
> ----------------
>
> You said it. I bet most youths in America has no clues what we are
> celebrating on Labor Day and Memorial Day. America is also the only
> country that has all the holidays on Mondays or Fridays so we could have
> three-day weekend. (And in the case of Thanksgiving, four days off!)
Well this was to keep the people from racing to and from some place on
a two day weekend. TG is one day off. The other 3 days are
a commercial holiday in the lead-up to Xmas. We call the day after TG
Black Friday but not a bad black, the black of positive entries in the
accounts, i.e. Profits!
The businesses say that this is when they turn a yearly profit
which has always seemed to be a poor way to run a business.
>
> I recently read that in Japan, falling asleep at work is consider a
> virtue as it indicates that you are there 24/7. Of course, you can only
> doze off sitting upright at your desk.
That will cause aches and pains.
I am a weak and sickly sort of person but I grew up during WW II
and experienced shortages and farm life, towns and cities and am happy
to be able to live in SF which I first saw as a toddler some 75 years
back but fell in love with in the 1950s. Moved here in 1967 intending
to travel on to NYC but instead I found myself and had to deal with
that mess. Which took me another 15 years and may have destroyed my
remaining health.
bliss
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Kenneth M. Lin
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"Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lmsort$cjc$1@dont-email.me...
On 06/06/2014 08:29 AM, Kenneth M. Lin wrote:
>
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:lmngao$tqg$2@dont-email.me...
>
> As far as I am concerned that is more sensible than the amount of time
> spent on Xmas a commercial holiday in the USA.
> As for the Thanksgiving that is fine. They do the same things
> as North Americans do only at different holidays. Over New Year Holiday
> the return to their home towns as Americans attempt to assemble their
> extended families during TG, TG is an North American holiday intended
> to celebrate good harvests and commemorate the early successes of the
> NA colonist. I think the Japanese have several holidays to reconnect
> with ancestral spirits as well as individual observances.
>
> So Japanese holidays and celebrations are important to a nation
> with about 5X the real history as the European-Americans have. Of
> course we get to absorb the history of the nations who did and did not
> contribute colonists to NA. For cultural monuments we substitute the
> natural wonders of North American such as the Grand Canyon of the
> Colorado.
I should have said if we are concerned with history which does
not dominate most people's thoughts in the USA. I perhaps am slightly
less concerned with history than with anime and manga, printed science
fiction, detective stories real science but all this should be in my
opinion of at least a readable quality.
>
> Our history is short but in the last 100 years or so our decadence is
> unsurpassed while largely unacknowledged by the establishment.
>
> bliss
>
> ----------------
>
> You said it. I bet most youths in America has no clues what we are
> celebrating on Labor Day and Memorial Day. America is also the only
> country that has all the holidays on Mondays or Fridays so we could have
> three-day weekend. (And in the case of Thanksgiving, four days off!)
Well this was to keep the people from racing to and from some place on
a two day weekend. TG is one day off. The other 3 days are
a commercial holiday in the lead-up to Xmas. We call the day after TG
Black Friday but not a bad black, the black of positive entries in the
accounts, i.e. Profits!
The businesses say that this is when they turn a yearly profit
which has always seemed to be a poor way to run a business.
>
> I recently read that in Japan, falling asleep at work is consider a
> virtue as it indicates that you are there 24/7. Of course, you can only
> doze off sitting upright at your desk.
That will cause aches and pains.
I am a weak and sickly sort of person but I grew up during WW II
and experienced shortages and farm life, towns and cities and am happy
to be able to live in SF which I first saw as a toddler some 75 years
back but fell in love with in the 1950s. Moved here in 1967 intending
to travel on to NYC but instead I found myself and had to deal with
that mess. Which took me another 15 years and may have destroyed my
remaining health.
bliss
=========================
Oh wow, I wasn't even born until 1967 and didn't immigrate to U.S. until
1980.
I started reading American comics when I was eighteen and stuck with it
until 2011 when I finally gave up due to annoying thing called "continuity."
and the fact that a 22-page book costs $3.99.
I picked up manga again while working in Hawaii and found BookOff at Ala
Moana Center. Before I know it, I was taking home a truck full of manga
during my monthly business trip. I found several branches of BookOff in
Southern California and load up every time I visit my mother in Orange
County.
When I was growing up in Taiwan, if you order a cold drink to go, the vendor
would pour it into a plastic bag (yes, a bag!), put in a straw, tie the
whole contraption with a rubber band before handing it to you. I was pretty
shock when I first arrived here that every container was disposable. (I
still save paper cups from fast food to use to pour grease into when
cooking.)
Matter of fact, during post-WWII era manga was rented because paper was
scarce. In the 1960s economic has recover sufficiently that they started
offering phonebook-size weekly and monthly manga magazines for purchase. I
believe Shonen Jump sold 6 million copies at its peak when Dragon Balls and
Fist of North Stat was extremely popular.
I really do love the culture in San Francisco. I have annual memberships to
several theaters and there's always something going on every weekend. Where
about do you live in the City?
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