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HD replacement goof [message #248380] Sun, 30 March 2014 13:43 Go to next message
zaphod[1] is currently offline  zaphod[1]
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Greetings all

I had to replace the hard drive on my wife's Quicksilver 733, OSX Tiger yesterday. There were two drives in it and the boot drive went down. I replaced it with a new WD and removed the secondary while I had it open, however I put the jumper on the new one like the old primary, having forgotten it needed to be configured differently since there was no slave drive anymore. Needless to say, there were problems. When I ran Applejack, I got many error messages saying 'USBF:  612.769 found a transaction past the completion deadline on bus 25, timing out!'
After I realized my mistake, I re-configured the boot drive correctly and the machine runs much better now. Disk Utility finds no problems, but AppleJack still returns the error messages not as many as before.

I don't like error messages like that from AppleJack. Does anyone know what is going on?

Thanks
Fred

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Re: HD replacement goof [message #248381 is a reply to message #248380] Sun, 30 March 2014 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I had to replace the hard drive on my wife's Quicksilver 733, OSX Tiger
> yesterday. There were two drives in it and the boot drive went down. I
> replaced it with a new WD and removed the secondary while I had it open,
> however I put the jumper on the new one like the old primary, having
> forgotten it needed to be configured differently since there was no slave
> drive anymore. Needless to say, there were problems.

This rather large family of machines uses Cable Select cables, as the
patent which Apple licensed from hp/Compaq (for Cable Select and generic
generic PC reset and startup) needs Cable Select mode in order to issue
the required Selective Reset commands to the drives.

You are probably advised to option your drives for CS, and to let the
cable do its magic.

Alternatively, CS can indeed coexist with Master- and Slave-optioned,
provided:

1) in a single drive situation, that drive is optioned for Master, and is
physically the farthest away from the host (the motherboard), OR

2) in a dual drive situation, the drives have different options, one being
Master, the other being Slave, and in this case it doesn't matter which is
Master and which is Slave, as both are really "peers", IOW, there is
really no such thing as a true Master and a true Slave.



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Re: HD replacement goof [message #248417 is a reply to message #248380] Mon, 31 March 2014 12:03 Go to previous message
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On Mar 30, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Fred Thiel <fthiel@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I got many error messages saying 'USBF: 612.769 found a transaction past the completion deadline on bus 25, timing out!'
> After I realized my mistake, I re-configured the boot drive correctly and the machine runs much better now. Disk Utility finds no problems, but AppleJack still returns the error messages not as many as before.
>
> I don't like error messages like that from AppleJack. Does anyone know what is going on?

That is a USB bus error, so it's not surprising that Disk Utility found nothing :-) It's kind of like checking the pressure in your tires when the 'Check Engine' light is on.

I'd take everything USB off the system except the keyboard, and see if Applejack still reports these errors.

If it doesn't, re-add USB devices one at a time, checking in System Profiler to see that they're recognized and functional,, until you get an error.

If it does continue to report the errors, try swapping the keyboard, or you may have a failing USB bus on the logic board. This is easily remedied, by adding a USB PCI card.

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