| Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36605] |
Sun, 10 February 2013 11:39  |
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I cannot get my Beige G3 Desktop on System 9.2.2 to boot from my external
FW device, even though I set up an initial 7GB OS 9 System Partition using
Apple Partition Map. The Drive Setup on my Beige shows the FW device as
"unsupported", which I figured was true for the Drive Setup program, not
necessarily true for the OS, since the drive and partitions mount and
function fine on my desktop.
My goal is to be able to boot from an external HD that I can specify with
Startup Disk or on startup via key command . Startup Disk sees the FW
System folder and I set the FW drive as boot, but the system reverts to
only the ATA internal drive to boot no matter what I do. What am I missing?
The command+option+shift+del key command on startup does not give a
different result. So I'm figuring that it's a hardware thing and the FW
device just doesn't get recognized as a boot-able device even though it
functions fine as an external HD.
What are my options to get an external HD boot device? I have an
internal zip drive but I need more than the 250MB device storage limit for
the System 9.2.2, folder and I have limited trust in 250 zip disks these
days anyway. Perhaps SCSI?...but there's not many SCSI external enclosures
left out there. I haven't gotten USB to work yet in this one, despite
trying three different OHCI-compliant cards...but does USB offer a
possibility if I can somehow get it to work?
Ideas and suggestions, please
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36607 is a reply to message #36606] |
Sun, 10 February 2013 12:30  |
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In my post I mentioned that I tried the "command+option+shift+del key
command on startup without result. That's the official command, according
to Apple <http://support.apple.com/kb/TA43845?viewlocale=en_US>. The same
non-response happens with option on startup. I did check to see that it
would respond with "Extensions Off" with shift key down at startup and that
worked fine. So it's not a keyboard or timing issue. Oh, and I made sure
that the FW device was turned on at startup.
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:21:39 AM UTC-8, Alex Sciortino wrote:
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> Try booting while holding option. You should have a boot disk selection
> thing at that point.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36608 is a reply to message #36605] |
Sun, 10 February 2013 12:37 |
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On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Click wrote:
> Ideas and suggestions, please
Since the Beige G3 didn't come with either built-in Firewire or built-
in USB, neither if these are natively bootable, and holding the Option
key, or trying to select the HD in Startup Disk won't work.
The only natively bootable external option is the external SCSI port,
which should be able to boot any bootable System.
It's possible to boot OS X from the external Firewire HD by using
XPostFacto 4. In this case you'd use any internal HD as an XPF "Helper
Disk" in the XPF Options, and then point the boot at the external
Firewire HD. This will start the boot process on the internal HD, and
then seamlessly transfer the boot to the external HD after the
extensions that load the PCI Firewire card are loaded and the Firewire
HD is available. This is your ONLY option to boot externally from
unsupported PCI cards. It will also work with ATA cards that lack
Apple Boot ROM compatibility, and may work with some USB cards
although USB isn't officially supported by XPF because some cards were
very problematic. You can only boot OS X using XPF Helper Disk, so a
10.4.11 System would be optimal for the external Firewire HD.
If you decide to go this route, I can help with any problems off-list.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36609 is a reply to message #36608] |
Sun, 10 February 2013 13:27 |
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Tnx, Kris. That's what I was beginning to think. Seems a little odd given
the internal ATA drive(s) boot setup. So I need to look for a SCSI
interface external drive. What version of SCSI would work on the beige G3
built-in port-only v1? Does it matter what type of drive interface is on
the inside of the SCSI external enclosure? In other words if I could find
an ATA or eSATA drive that worked in a SCSI enclosure, do you have any idea
if that would work?
My particular need is to have a backup drive to native boot into OS 9 to
continue using some critical apps that were dropped by the vendor when OS X
came about. Classic on my Mac minis Tiger doesn't fully work for one of
the apps, after MUCH experimenting.
Now off to eBay and Google for some SCSI shopping...
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:37:44 AM UTC-8, Kris Tilford wrote:
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> On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Click wrote:
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>> Ideas and suggestions, please
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> Since the Beige G3 didn't come with either built-in Firewire or built-
> in USB, neither if these are natively bootable, and holding the Option
> key, or trying to select the HD in Startup Disk won't work.
>
> The only natively bootable external option is the external SCSI port,
> which should be able to boot any bootable System.
>
> It's possible to boot OS X from the external Firewire HD by using
> XPostFacto 4. In this case you'd use any internal HD as an XPF "Helper
> Disk" in the XPF Options, and then point the boot at the external
> Firewire HD. This will start the boot process on the internal HD, and
> then seamlessly transfer the boot to the external HD after the
> extensions that load the PCI Firewire card are loaded and the Firewire
> HD is available. This is your ONLY option to boot externally from
> unsupported PCI cards. It will also work with ATA cards that lack
> Apple Boot ROM compatibility, and may work with some USB cards
> although USB isn't officially supported by XPF because some cards were
> very problematic. You can only boot OS X using XPF Helper Disk, so a
> 10.4.11 System would be optimal for the external Firewire HD.
>
> If you decide to go this route, I can help with any problems off-list.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36630 is a reply to message #36609] |
Sun, 10 February 2013 14:11 |
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On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Click wrote:
> Tnx, Kris. That's what I was beginning to think. Seems a little odd given the internal ATA drive(s) boot setup. So I need to look for a SCSI interface external drive. What version of SCSI would work on the beige G3 built-in port-only v1? Does it matter what type of drive interface is on the inside of the SCSI external enclosure? In other words if I could find an ATA or eSATA drive that worked in a SCSI enclosure, do you have any idea if that would work?
Basically you need a SCSI device that can plug into the Mac's port, either natively or via adapters. SCSI 1 will definitely work, and any drive that has a 50-pin interface will work via adapters. SCSI drives with 68 pin interfaces will not, afaik.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36631 is a reply to message #36609] |
Sun, 10 February 2013 14:17 |
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On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Click wrote:
> Tnx, Kris. That's what I was beginning to think. Seems a little odd given the internal ATA drive(s) boot setup. So I need to look for a SCSI interface external drive. What version of SCSI would work on the beige G3 built-in port-only v1? Does it matter what type of drive interface is on the inside of the SCSI external enclosure? In other words if I could find an ATA or eSATA drive that worked in a SCSI enclosure, do you have any idea if that would work?
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> My particular need is to have a backup drive to native boot into OS 9 to continue using some critical apps that were dropped by the vendor when OS X came about. Classic on my Mac minis Tiger doesn't fully work for one of the apps, after MUCH experimenting.
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Even though the OP says Backup Drive, I think he could also use an internal partitioned drive that has Classic OS 9.1 on one partition for his purpose, then use option key on Startup.
I don't think he means a drive that he can use as a external backup for his OSs, Apps or Docs.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36632 is a reply to message #36631] |
Sun, 10 February 2013 15:08 |
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The setup that I tried originally was an 80G drive partitioned into 7G and
83G on the external FW device. Since the internal ATA drive is only 6G,
this allowed me to backup the internal ATA drive completely to that first
partition. My intent was that I would also be able to use this external 7G
partition as a complete backup for the internal ATA drive. Since the beige
G3 won't boot from FW, then I need to reconsider.
So I guess it'll be a SCSI-1 device (how can I tell from the ebay listings)
or install a second ATA drive into the beige. Fortunately the beige
desktop has the later ROM which allows for a slave device on the cable. I
was just hoping not to add any more power usage strain on that feeble old
150W internal power supply.
Only remaining question, then, is how to tell if a hard drive or HD
enclosure is compatible with the beige port? What spec do I need to ask
about before I purchase? It looks like there's quite a variety of SCSI
interfaces and protocols out there to my uneducated eye, at least.
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:17:50 AM UTC-8, billycarmacs wrote:
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> On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Click wrote:
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>> Tnx, Kris. That's what I was beginning to think. Seems a little odd
> given the internal ATA drive(s) boot setup. So I need to look for a SCSI
> interface external drive. What version of SCSI would work on the beige G3
> built-in port-only v1? Does it matter what type of drive interface is on
> the inside of the SCSI external enclosure? In other words if I could find
> an ATA or eSATA drive that worked in a SCSI enclosure, do you have any idea
> if that would work?
>>
>> My particular need is to have a backup drive to native boot into OS 9 to
> continue using some critical apps that were dropped by the vendor when OS X
> came about. Classic on my Mac minis Tiger doesn't fully work for one of
> the apps, after MUCH experimenting.
>>
>
> Even though the OP says Backup Drive, I think he could also use an
> internal partitioned drive that has Classic OS 9.1 on one partition for his
> purpose, then use option key on Startup.
>
> I don't think he means a drive that he can use as a external backup for
> his OSs, Apps or Docs.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36634 is a reply to message #36632] |
Sun, 10 February 2013 17:05 |
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On Feb 10, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Click wrote:
> The setup that I tried originally was an 80G drive partitioned into 7G and 83G on the external FW device. Since the internal ATA drive is only 6G, this allowed me to backup the internal ATA drive completely to that first partition. My intent was that I would also be able to use this external 7G partition as a complete backup for the internal ATA drive. Since the beige G3 won't boot from FW, then I need to reconsider.
>
I would buy a larger internal ATA drive, making sure not to exceed the size for a beige if there is such a limitation. Replace the 6GB one. They are cheaper and larger capacities than SCSI.
Then partition it into 2+ partitions, one dedicated to OS 9.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36643 is a reply to message #36634] |
Sun, 10 February 2013 17:30 |
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On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>> Since the beige G3 won't boot from FW, then I need to reconsider.
You can boot OS X from the FW drive using xPostFacto.
I'd install 10.4.11 onto the 73GB partition, and then use XPF 4 (it's
carbon and runs in both OS 9 & OS X) from your OS 9 internal HD.
Alternately, remove the 80GB HD from the FW enclosure and install it
into the Beige G3.
TMI-Sometimes booting 2nd HDs can be problematic on Beige, there is
one ROM version (A) that doesn't support any slave drive booting,
although XPF can boot slave drives on normally early Beige with ROM A
by using a bootable master HD as an XPF Helper Drive. Later ROM B & C
can boot both master & slave. You can place newer B & C ROMs into
older Beige. It's a little complicated because there were three ROMs
(A, B, & C) and three hardware revisions of Beige (1, 2, & 3) and the
ROMs mostly matched up with the models revisions, but if you really
wanted the fastest possible Beige you probably wanted an early Rev.1
model that had an overclockable System bus which was determined by the
"Grackle" chip (blue colored chip on motherboard). Most Rev.1's had
Grackle chips capable of overclocking from 66MHz System Bus to 83MHz,
but the Rev.2&3 had slower Grackle chips that were not capable of
overclocking. The fastest possible Beige would be a Rev.1 Beige w/fast
Grackle with a version B or C ROM chip so you could boot all internal
devices and overclock the System bus to 83MHz.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36645 is a reply to message #36643] |
Sun, 10 February 2013 19:46 |
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> TMI-Sometimes booting 2nd HDs can be problematic on Beige, there is
> one ROM version (A) that doesn't support any slave drive booting,
> although XPF can boot slave drives on normally early Beige with ROM A
> by using a bootable master HD as an XPF Helper Drive. Later ROM B & C
> can boot both master & slave. You can place newer B & C ROMs into
> older Beige. It's a little complicated because there were three ROMs
> (A, B, & C) and three hardware revisions of Beige (1, 2, & 3) and the
> ROMs mostly matched up with the models revisions, but if you really
> wanted the fastest possible Beige you probably wanted an early Rev.1
> model that had an overclockable System bus which was determined by the
> "Grackle" chip (blue colored chip on motherboard). Most Rev.1's had
> Grackle chips capable of overclocking from 66MHz System Bus to 83MHz,
> but the Rev.2&3 had slower Grackle chips that were not capable of
> overclocking. The fastest possible Beige would be a Rev.1 Beige w/fast
> Grackle with a version B or C ROM chip so you could boot all internal
> devices and overclock the System bus to 83MHz.
Normal builds were Rev. 1A (Rev. 1 mobo and Rev. A ROM), Rev. 2B (Rev. 2
mobo and Rev. B ROM) and Rev. 3C (Rev. 3 mobo and Rev. C ROM).
B and C ROMs provide essentially the same functionality (mainly support
for slave IDE drives).
Rev. C ROMs corrected a bug in the video support which was present in Rev.
A and C ROMs.
The fastest and best configuration would be Rev. 1C.
Occasionally, Apple would respond to a customer complaint for lack of
slave support on Rev. 1A machines, which were usually 266 MHz examples, by
supplying a Rev. B ROM on an exchange basis.
Machines with Rev. A ROMs which also have a factory Zip drive will have a
SCSI Zip, which is why the Beige PSUs have BOTH a standard Molex and a
miniature Molex power connector. The SCSI Zips required the miniature
connector; the IDE Zips required the standard connector.
The early Beiges were really a "perfect storm": Apple initially couldn't
figure out how to properly support slave drives, and Iomega initially
couldn't figure out how to make its Zip drives work as slaves. So, there
was some overlap between the availability of slave support from Apple, and
the necessity for SCSI Zips.
Even after slave support was available from Apple, Apple only provided
master cables for the hard drive bus.
At one point some years ago, my company manufactured combo master and
slave hard drive bus cables. Quite a number were sold. The solutions for
Mini Tower, Desktop and All-in-One combo master/slave hard drive cables
were quite different.
Every one of my cables were tested and passed at UATA/33 (33 MB/sec), even
though the Beige IDE buses were limited to 16.67 MB/sec by the host
adapter chip.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36692 is a reply to message #36632] |
Mon, 11 February 2013 08:32 |
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You should also be able to use SCSI II as well. 68-pin to 50-pin
conversion adapters will work. I have used these successfully on a
9600/350 with an ATTO card, but also use almost any SCSI with an adapter
to 50pin.
I've used them with a Quadra 650 as well. The PCI ATTO card will also
work with some LV SCSI drives.
The important thing is that when you create the partition on the drive
that you make sure it's bootable. The Apple disk app will do this but
you might want to do some reading up on it on the internet.
The one thing I have noted is that some of the older OS systems (6,7)
aren't able to read HSF+ formatted volumes: HFS must be used. HSF
Volumes are limited to 2 gigs if I remember correctly.
For me, my beige G3 was problematic with USB. I basically gave up on
that. But I would say that if you can boot 9.2.2 from the ZIP, you
should be able to boot the hard drive.
I had success installing and running OS 10.4 Tiger on my G3 and using
Classic. (Don't use the UNIX/LINUX command line executables to copy
Classic files to OS X - they can't read the data on some files)
Also, booting back and forth from OS X and 9.1 was a pain; I could not
always do it consistently.
BTW, I did get 9.2.2 (Old World Computing mod) successfully and
consistently on my 9600/350 with the ATTO PCI card. The only
requirement was that I needed to be booted so I could select the boot
volume in the system preferences. Pay attention to what is needed for
the OWC 9.2.2 to work (previous posts).
ATTO PCI cards are inexpensive, $25-$35 last I looked on ebay and worth
every penny. For the G3 beige, you'll need an extra long ATA cable to
hook up 2 ATA drives internally. SCSI adapters can be had for a
reasonable price as well.
As far as the power supply goes, I've used external enclosures
successfully for years (but not necessarily cheap). Just need power and
50-pin cables. The external enclosure really needs a switch to
allow changing the SCSI ID which must be unique - different from any
other SCSI device on the same SCSI bus. If you don't have that switch,
you will have to remove the drive from the enclosure
(or at least open the enclosure) in order to change the jumpers. See if
you can determine the usual default IDs for the other SCSI devices if
there are any. Default SCSI boot drive SCSI ID is zero
- usually all jumpers removed.
Hope something above helps. (a detail is below)
Jon
On 02/10/2013 03:08 PM, Click wrote:
> The setup that I tried originally was an 80G drive partitioned into 7G
> and 83G on the external FW device. Since the internal ATA drive is
> only 6G, this allowed me to backup the internal ATA drive completely
> to that first partition. My intent was that I would also be able to
> use this external 7G partition as a complete backup for the internal
> ATA drive. Since the beige G3 won't boot from FW, then I need to
> reconsider.
HFS+ volumes have a huge limit on size, but there may be a volume size
limit for 9.2.2. Do the research.
>
> So I guess it'll be a SCSI-1 device (how can I tell from the ebay
> listings) or install a second ATA drive into the beige. Fortunately
> the beige desktop has the later ROM which allows for a slave device on
> the cable. I was just hoping not to add any more power usage strain
> on that feeble old 150W internal power supply.
>
> Only remaining question, then, is how to tell if a hard drive or HD
> enclosure is compatible with the beige port? What spec do I need to
> ask about before I purchase? It looks like there's quite a variety of
> SCSI interfaces and protocols out there to my uneducated eye, at least.
50-pin connector is necessary but an adapter to 50-pin will work, just
expect the drive to access at 50-pin speeds even though it's rated to be
faster. You will need a cable to bridge from the enclosure to the G3.
Easiest or most common (?) cable is a 50-pin male Centronics-type (with
the wire clips) on the enclosure to a male 50-pin Apple SCSI connector.
Used frequently back in the day.
>
> On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:17:50 AM UTC-8, billycarmacs wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Click wrote:
>
>> Tnx, Kris. That's what I was beginning to think. Seems a
> little odd given the internal ATA drive(s) boot setup. So I need
> to look for a SCSI interface external drive. What version of SCSI
> would work on the beige G3 built-in port-only v1? Does it matter
> what type of drive interface is on the inside of the SCSI external
> enclosure? In other words if I could find an ATA or eSATA drive
> that worked in a SCSI enclosure, do you have any idea if that
> would work?
>>
>> My particular need is to have a backup drive to native boot into
> OS 9 to continue using some critical apps that were dropped by the
> vendor when OS X came about. Classic on my Mac minis Tiger
> doesn't fully work for one of the apps, after MUCH experimenting.
>>
>
> Even though the OP says Backup Drive, I think he could also use an
> internal partitioned drive that has Classic OS 9.1 on one
> partition for his purpose, then use option key on Startup.
>
> I don't think he means a drive that he can use as a external
> backup for his OSs, Apps or Docs.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36708 is a reply to message #36676] |
Mon, 11 February 2013 12:59 |
Kris Tilford
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On Feb 11, 2013, at 3:23 AM, Wayne Stewart wrote:
> How about a Sonnet SATA card? It'll boot OS 9. If you really want an
> external you can add an eSATA adapter. You can easily get an
> external case with eSATA and USB or FW so you could easily move data
> to another machine. New SATA drives ate cheap enough, they're almost
> giving away small used ones.
> I've used one to boot OS 9 on a 9600 via an external 1tb Lacie HD
> (partitioned of course).
A Sonnet SATA card would be a pricey addition to an old Mac that's
severely limited already. For the price of the Sonnet card you could
likely retire the Beige in favor a G4, an old Mini, or a handful of
Mac laptops that have more capability than a stock G3.
I ran a G3 many years while booted externally from Firewire HDs
because Firewire was cheap, fast, and easy to transfer from one Mac to
another. I think the best use of money for upgrading a Beige G3 is CPU
first, video card second, and in my experience I believe internal ATA
& SATA cards are not price effective in comparison to cheap Firewire.
A fully upgraded Beige G3 MUST have a G4 CPU, a Radeon video card that
supports Quartz Extreme, and both USB 2.0 & Firewire ports. With only
3 PCI slots available, it's really tough to justify in internal ATA or
SATA card when likely you've filled all three slots with Radeon, USB
2.0, and Firewire. There are combo USB & Firewire cards, which I have
tried in conjunction with an ATA card, but the problem is that these
combo cards never have OS 9 support are are effectively dead in OS 9.
Better to use the internal ATA for OS 9, and Firewire for OS X in my
opinion.
Upgrading old Beige G3s is NOT cost effective in today's world. The
sweet spot for price vs. power is certainly migrated to used Intel PC
hackintosh hardware capable of running current Mt. Lion software. If
you must have pure Apple hardware, the sweet spot is likely either G5
Macs, or early Intel Macs - look for upgradeable Intel Macs that
support newer CPUs & video, such as early Intel iMacs. The days of PPC
Macs are severely limited now, the migration to Intel may soon become
the migration to ARM, after all, Apple owns ARM chipset designers, not
Intel or PPC. Move along or be left behind, that's the choice.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36709 is a reply to message #36708] |
Mon, 11 February 2013 13:08 |
Bruce Johnson
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On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Kris Tilford <ktilford1@cox.net> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 3:23 AM, Wayne Stewart wrote:
>
>> How about a Sonnet SATA card? It'll boot OS 9. If you really want an external you can add an eSATA adapter. You can easily get an external case with eSATA and USB or FW so you could easily move data to another machine. New SATA drives ate cheap enough, they're almost giving away small used ones.
>> I've used one to boot OS 9 on a 9600 via an external 1tb Lacie HD (partitioned of course).
>
>
> A Sonnet SATA card would be a pricey addition to an old Mac that's severely limited already. For the price of the Sonnet card you could likely retire the Beige in favor a G4, an old Mini, or a handful of Mac laptops that have more capability than a stock G3.
>
> I ran a G3 many years while booted externally from Firewire HDs because Firewire was cheap, fast, and easy to transfer from one Mac to another. I think the best use of money for upgrading a Beige G3 is CPU first, video card second, and in my experience I believe internal ATA & SATA cards are not price effective in comparison to cheap Firewire.
>
> A fully upgraded Beige G3 MUST have a G4 CPU, a Radeon video card that supports Quartz Extreme, and both USB 2.0 & Firewire ports. With only 3 PCI slots available, it's really tough to justify in internal ATA or SATA card when likely you've filled all three slots with Radeon, USB 2.0, and Firewire. There are combo USB & Firewire cards, which I have tried in conjunction with an ATA card, but the problem is that these combo cards never have OS 9 support are are effectively dead in OS 9. Better to use the internal ATA for OS 9, and Firewire for OS X in my opinion.
>
> Upgrading old Beige G3s is NOT cost effective in today's world. The sweet spot for price vs. power is certainly migrated to used Intel PC hackintosh hardware capable of running current Mt. Lion software. If you must have pure Apple hardware, the sweet spot is likely either G5 Macs, or early Intel Macs - look for upgradeable Intel Macs that support newer CPUs & video, such as early Intel iMacs. The days of PPC Macs are severely limited now, the migration to Intel may soon become the migration to ARM, after all, Apple owns ARM chipset designers, not Intel or PPC. Move along or be left behind, that's the choice.
What Kris said, with these caveats:
The OP requires native boot in OS 9. That means one off of this list that shows Boot Only or Boot/Classic:
< http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/macs-that-supp ort-macos-9-classic.html>
No G5 ever booted in anything but OS X.
Also, IIRC there WAS a line of MDD 1.25 systems that were released after the G5 came out that did boot in OS 9, released in response to the demands of a lot of BIG customers using (IIRC) mostly Quark Express.
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| Re: Beige G3 Desktop External HD Device Boot [message #36737 is a reply to message #36605] |
Mon, 11 February 2013 17:10 |
Cameron Kaiser
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> Also, IIRC there WAS a line of MDD 1.25 systems that were released after the
> G5 came out that did boot in OS 9, released in response to the demands of a
> lot of BIG customers using (IIRC) mostly Quark Express.
Rule of thumb: Power Mac G4 with FW400 can boot OS 9; FW800 cannot.
This doesn't apply to PowerBooks or iBooks, of course.
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