| Re: ATARI and Spectrum are rubbish - The C64 is the king of home-computers! [message #367604 is a reply to message #367584] |
Sun, 13 May 2018 18:01   |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On Sun, 13 May 2018 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT), Shaun Bebbington wrote:
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>> In the UK, the Commodore C64 was more expensive than other machines,
> so many chose Sinclairs, though it has a good Wurst rating because of
> it's sausage-feeling keyboard (at least on the runner keys models).
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> rubber*
Chicklet. ;-)
The Sinclair were only successful because of the price. If you look at
the markets outside the UK the C64 had the biggest market share, even
outperforming the IBM PC for some time.
<http://ankman.de/market_1984.jpg> is from what the 8BitGuy on Youtube
provided for the 8Bit computer market in 1984 for the US. So figures from
the UK and other markets are ignored.
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Andreas
My random toughts and comments
https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/
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| Re: ATARI and Spectrum are rubbish - The C64 is the king of home-computers! [message #367605 is a reply to message #367604] |
Sun, 13 May 2018 18:14 |
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Originally posted by: Shaun Bebbington
On Sunday, 13 May 2018 23:01:42 UTC+1, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Sun, 13 May 2018 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT), Shaun Bebbington wrote:
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>>> In the UK, the Commodore C64 was more expensive than other machines,
>> so many chose Sinclairs, though it has a good Wurst rating because of
>> it's sausage-feeling keyboard (at least on the runner keys models).
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>> rubber*
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> Chicklet. ;-)
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> The Sinclair were only successful because of the price. If you look at
> the markets outside the UK the C64 had the biggest market share, even
> outperforming the IBM PC for some time.
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> <http://ankman.de/market_1984.jpg> is from what the 8BitGuy on Youtube
> provided for the 8Bit computer market in 1984 for the US. So figures from
> the UK and other markets are ignored.
> --
> Andreas
>
> My random toughts and comments
> https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/
The grass is always greener on the other side; especially due to the crude RGB palette of the Sinclair ZX Spectrum.
Regards,
Shaun.
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| Re: ATARI and Spectrum are rubbish - The C64 is the king of home-computers! [message #367617 is a reply to message #367523] |
Sun, 13 May 2018 20:53 |
Charles Richmond
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On 5/11/2018 3:01 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2018 22:15:28 -0700 (PDT), bradleyjbell@comcast.net wrote:
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>> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
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>> But tell us all about the C64 graphic modes. Can you easily mix them?
>> Did you have re definable character sets?
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> AFAIK you cannot mix graphic modes on the Commodore 64. But you could
> edit the character set.
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You *can* switch graphic modes and also mix graphic and text modes on
the C=64. You do that by counting the horizontal retrace interrupts and
using the appropriate blanking pulses to change the mode "on the fly".
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numerist at aquaporin4 dot com
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| ATARI and Spectrum are rubbish - The C64 is the king of home-comput [message #367631 is a reply to message #367603] |
Sun, 13 May 2018 18:25 |
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Originally posted by: nospam.Janne.Johansson
On 2018-05-13 16:54, Andreas Kohlbach : Janne Johansson wrote:
>>>> The Atari 800 and C64 had sprites. Gee, I wonder where Commadore got
>>>> the idea for sprites? Anyway, the C64 had many improvements over the
>>>> Atari sprites give the 3+ years they had to develop them.
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>>> True.
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>> In the end, sprites was a dead end. After amiga, there was almost no use
>> of sprites apart from the mousepointer at all, it was all done
>> differently using the GPU in a BOB-like way from 1995-ish onward.
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> Didn't the Amiga also use sprites besides of bobs?
Sure, but they were "only" 8, even if they could stretch vertically over
the whole screen and you could actually reuse them horizontally with
some effort, but as I wrote, after amiga, almost no platform relied on
sprites anymore. If you wanted 200+ moving objects on the screen, it was
BOBs in some fashion and not sprites.
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| Re: ATARI and Spectrum are rubbish - The C64 is the king of home-computers! [message #367713 is a reply to message #207547] |
Tue, 15 May 2018 09:03 |
cbmeeks
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On Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 8:51:33 AM UTC-5, Lloyd Hearsewave wrote:
> I don't understand why people are still using crappy doorstoppers like the
> Sinclair Spectrum and ugly black and white heaps of trash like the ATARI 800
> XL.
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> Both of these computers failed in the 80s and look at the graphics of the
> Spectrum - ugly, monochrome, no scrolling and no sprites.
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> The ATARI has only 3 ugly colors, ugly sprites and bad scrolling. 99% of
> ATARI games are crap.
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> All the games are MUCH superior on the C64 and the C64 truly is the king of
> home computers!
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> So please throw away your ATARIs and Spectrums and buy a C64 on ebay!
I love how people are still feeding the trolls after all these years. Awesome. :-)
I wanna play....
"SEGA GENESIS was SOOO much better than SNES because it had BLAST PROCESSING!"
Unless your CPU supports BLAST PROCESSING then you are garbage.
:-D tee hee
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| Re: ATARI and Spectrum are rubbish - The C64 is the king of home-computers! [message #367784 is a reply to message #367713] |
Wed, 16 May 2018 07:12 |
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Originally posted by: Shaun Bebbington
On Tuesday, 15 May 2018 14:03:54 UTC+1, cbmeeks wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2011 at 8:51:33 AM UTC-5, Lloyd Hearsewave wrote:
>> I don't understand why people are still using crappy doorstoppers like the
>> Sinclair Spectrum and ugly black and white heaps of trash like the ATARI 800
>> XL.
>>
>> Both of these computers failed in the 80s and look at the graphics of the
>> Spectrum - ugly, monochrome, no scrolling and no sprites.
>>
>> The ATARI has only 3 ugly colors, ugly sprites and bad scrolling. 99% of
>> ATARI games are crap.
>>
>> All the games are MUCH superior on the C64 and the C64 truly is the king of
>> home computers!
>>
>> So please throw away your ATARIs and Spectrums and buy a C64 on ebay!
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> I love how people are still feeding the trolls after all these years. Awesome. :-)
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> I wanna play....
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> "SEGA GENESIS was SOOO much better than SNES because it had BLAST PROCESSING!"
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> Unless your CPU supports BLAST PROCESSING then you are garbage.
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>
> :-D tee hee
Yes but the Z80 processor could also do register pairs, so the bestest machines has to be the Commodore C128 (but only when it's using the Z80 processors).
Regards,
Shaun.
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