| So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #174778] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 16:34  |
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Just curious. I'm not expecting to see it until tomorrow, so
I've got room yet to form imagination-based grumblings.
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #174780 is a reply to message #174778] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 17:56  |
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On May 7, 1:34 pm, nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
> Just curious. I'm not expecting to see it until tomorrow, so
> I've got room yet to form imagination-based grumblings.
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> --
> Joseph Nebus
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It can't be any worse than ST: Insurrection.
The last Trek film I ever saw, or will see. Those people are NOT
getting any more of my money.
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #174894 is a reply to message #174778] |
Fri, 08 May 2009 00:42 |
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Originally posted by: Bill Livingston
Previously on "Babylon 5", Joseph Nebus wrote:
> Just curious. I'm not expecting to see it until tomorrow, so
> I've got room yet to form imagination-based grumblings.
I'm only outraged that they moved the premiere up one night to
Thursday with no warning and I was already committed (or should be,
perhaps)!
Bill L.
This is information I NEEDED!!!
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #174897 is a reply to message #174896] |
Fri, 08 May 2009 14:32 |
Doug Elrod
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On May 8, 11:18 am, Jim Ellwanger <use...@ellwanger.tv> wrote:
> In article <nebusj.1241728...@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>,
> nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
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>> Just curious. I'm not expecting to see it until tomorrow, so
>> I've got room yet to form imagination-based grumblings.
>
> Saw it Thursday night. I have only mild outrage about one scene in
> particular (which was in the trailer anyway, so it wasn't unexpected,
> which muted my outrage even more). The rest was fine; some of it was
> even better than fine.
Did they gratuitously take "Target Practice" against the Satellite of
Love? (It was just there minding its own business as Starships zoomed
hither... and yon!)
-Doug Elrod (dre1@cornell.edu)
"I'm not going back, Jim!"
-Trace as Crow as Leonard Nimoy as Spock, NOT in his right mind!
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #174899 is a reply to message #174896] |
Fri, 08 May 2009 19:34 |
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Originally posted by: Derek Janssen
Jim Ellwanger wrote:
> In article <nebusj.1241728457@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>,
> nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
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>
>> Just curious. I'm not expecting to see it until tomorrow, so
>> I've got room yet to form imagination-based grumblings.
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>
> Saw it Thursday night. I have only mild outrage about one scene in
> particular (which was in the trailer anyway, so it wasn't unexpected,
> which muted my outrage even more).
What the obligatory "Green-skinned alien female" gag (thus making it the
first time in the canon Kirk actually *did*, unless we discount that
this's alternate canon)?
Oh, and for the record, Uhura's first name is unofficially "Nyota", she
tends to flirt with Scotty, and Nurse Chapel was the one with the
unrequited hots for Spock--
Took two minutes to look that up on the fan-Wiki, so not the kind of
thing you can build entire running plot points around.
> The rest was fine; some of it was even better than fine.
Under the circumstances, "Fine" would be inappropriate. :)
(Can we say "Best Darn Feature Trek Since Nicholas Meyer Left", until
Mike and Kevin do their dopey knee-jerk haven't-seen-it Rifftrax because
they want to make imaginary geeks cry?)
Derek Janssen (who would've compared it to "First Contact", but this one
mercifully had no Alfre Woodard)
ejanss1@verizon.net
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #174901 is a reply to message #174899] |
Sat, 09 May 2009 00:37 |
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Derek Janssen <ejanss1@nospam.verizon.net> writes:
> Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>> In article <nebusj.1241728457@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>,
>> nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
>>> Just curious. I'm not expecting to see it until tomorrow, so
>>> I've got room yet to form imagination-based grumblings.
>>
>> Saw it Thursday night. I have only mild outrage about one scene in
>> particular (which was in the trailer anyway, so it wasn't unexpected,
>> which muted my outrage even more).
> What the obligatory "Green-skinned alien female" gag (thus making it the
> first time in the canon Kirk actually *did*, unless we discount that
> this's alternate canon)?
Oh, yes, this would be the first green-skinned woman. Unless
she's actually human and just painting herself up for the kinky fun of
it.
> Oh, and for the record, Uhura's first name is unofficially "Nyota", she
> tends to flirt with Scotty, and Nurse Chapel was the one with the
> unrequited hots for Spock--
> Took two minutes to look that up on the fan-Wiki, so not the kind of
> thing you can build entire running plot points around.
Given as Nyota in this movie too; she just keeps it private from
Kirk, who for most of the film hasn't got any position where he can
insist on asking her.
Given the plot setting up that Uhura hadn't even met Scott at
the time the action starts and maybe hasn't exchanged dialogue with him
by the end it's a little soon for her to flirt with Scott. I'd note that
it's also possible for a person to flirt with two different people over
the course of thirty years, particularly when their entire backstories
have been changed.
Also since we don't even see Chapel it's impossible to guess what
she thinks about Spock.
>> The rest was fine; some of it was even better than fine.
> Under the circumstances, "Fine" would be inappropriate. :)
> (Can we say "Best Darn Feature Trek Since Nicholas Meyer Left", until
> Mike and Kevin do their dopey knee-jerk haven't-seen-it Rifftrax because
> they want to make imaginary geeks cry?)
> Derek Janssen (who would've compared it to "First Contact", but this one
> mercifully had no Alfre Woodard)
> ejanss1@verizon.net
I would be willing to go for 'best Feature Trek since Nicholas
Meyer left', although to be fair that's not putting it up against really
tough competition. It's refreshing seeing a Trek movie made by people
who seemed to actually want to be there making a Trek movie, though: the
sleepwalking through the last couple films is gone.
Still, I would have liked some, you know, establishing shots of
stuff like the New Bridge or the exciting new Ship's Brewery if they're
supposed to be important things we look at. Once again a Big Loud Movie
has forgotten how useful it is to the audience to be able to judge the
relative locations of people and places.
And, hey, Vasquez Rocks again! That was sweet.
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Joseph Nebus
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #174902 is a reply to message #174899] |
Sat, 09 May 2009 02:18 |
Jim Ellwanger
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In article <_j3Nl.94$5F2.82@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
Derek Janssen <ejanss1@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
> Jim Ellwanger wrote:
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>> I have only mild outrage about one scene in particular (which was
>> in the trailer anyway, so it wasn't unexpected, which muted my
>> outrage even more).
>
> What the obligatory "Green-skinned alien female" gag (thus making it the
> first time in the canon Kirk actually *did*, unless we discount that
> this's alternate canon)?
No. I'm all in favor of scantily clad green-skinned alien females.
I was referring to the "li'l Kirk drives a Corvette into a canyon in
Iowa after taking a call from Greg Grunberg on his Nokia cell phone"
scene.
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Jim Ellwanger <usenet@ellwanger.tv>
<http://www.ellwanger.tv> welcomes you daily.
"The days turn into nights; at night, you hear the trains."
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #174903 is a reply to message #174902] |
Sat, 09 May 2009 02:25 |
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Originally posted by: Derek Janssen
Jim Ellwanger wrote:
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> I was referring to the "li'l Kirk drives a Corvette into a canyon in
> Iowa after taking a call from Greg Grunberg on his Nokia cell phone"
> scene.
I was straining not to make the obvious comparisons to the same opening
of Disney's "Treasure Planet". ^_^
(Let's see: Aimless thrill-seeking punk mooning over his missing dad,
dreams of space while zooming over canyons, gets pulled over by cops and
told he has no future...Are we missing anything?)
Derek Janssen
ejanss1@verizon.net
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #175018 is a reply to message #174778] |
Sat, 09 May 2009 22:37 |
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Joseph Nebus wrote:
> Just curious. I'm not expecting to see it until tomorrow, so
> I've got room yet to form imagination-based grumblings.
>
I've just seen "Star Trek" in IMAX. I liked the film, but I wouldn't
necessarily recommend seeing it in the IMAX format. The scenes in space
looked great, but it seems that the director is quite fond of extreme
close-ups. That may the OK for regular sized movie screens, and it may
play well on DVD. But on a big IMAX screen, those close-ups produced
Mount Rushmore sized heads with pores large enough to shoot basketballs
into. In this format, each actor's five o'clock shadow became quite
apparent. After seeing so many bad shaves up close, I dubbed the film
"Star Trek: the Wrath of Razor Burn".
--
"All things extant in this world,
Gods of Heaven, gods of Earth,
Let everything be as it should be;
Thus shall it be!"
- Magical chant from "Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi"
"Drizzle, Drazzle, Drozzle, Drome,
Time for this one to come home!"
- Mr. Wizard from "Tooter Turtle"
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #175020 is a reply to message #175019] |
Sun, 10 May 2009 17:19 |
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Originally posted by: Derek Janssen
Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>>> I was referring to the "li'l Kirk drives a Corvette into a canyon in
>>> Iowa after taking a call from Greg Grunberg on his Nokia cell phone"
>>> scene.
>>
>> I was straining not to make the obvious comparisons to the same opening
>> of Disney's "Treasure Planet". ^_^
>
> So YOU'RE the one who saw "Treasure Planet"!
Never underestimate that the future generation is too young to have
heard of box-office grosses, and the kids in our house now ASK to see
"Hercules" and "Treasure Planet" on DVD.
....Revenge is best served in the longrun. ;)
Derek Janssen (I mean, couldn't Young Kirk have gotten one of those
anti-gravity cycles, 'r something?)
ejanss1@verizon.net
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [small spoilers] [message #175024 is a reply to message #174902] |
Mon, 11 May 2009 17:50 |
Doug Elrod
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On May 9, 2:18 am, Jim Ellwanger <use...@ellwanger.tv> wrote:
> In article <_j3Nl.94$5F2...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
> Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
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>> Jim Ellwanger wrote:
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>>> I have only mild outrage about one scene in particular (which was
>>> in the trailer anyway, so it wasn't unexpected, which muted my
>>> outrage even more).
That one PDA scene that takes place on a transporter platform? I
guess they'll have to add a button that drops a Remote-Operated
Obscuring Macrozone over the relevant area!
>> What the obligatory "Green-skinned alien female" gag (thus making it the
>> first time in the canon Kirk actually *did*, unless we discount that
>> this's alternate canon)?
>
> No. I'm all in favor of scantily clad green-skinned alien females.
Apparently, those rumors about "the green ones" are all true! (makes
note to self)
(along with those about "mouth-breathing captains-in-training" :-))
> I was referring to the "li'l Kirk drives a Corvette into a canyon in
> Iowa after taking a call from Greg Grunberg on his Nokia cell phone"
> scene.
Ah, that must be from the rain off the MOUNTAINS OF ILLINOIS! (what
movie had those, anyway?)
-Doug Elrod (dre1@cornell.edu)
Um, so now we have a large angry BLACK HOLE... Problem solved, I
guess?
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [small spoilers] [message #175026 is a reply to message #175024] |
Mon, 11 May 2009 18:36 |
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Originally posted by: Tom Carberry
"Doug Elrod" <dre1@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:5a14d082-61cf-43de-91af-caaad752172c@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On May 9, 2:18 am, Jim Ellwanger <use...@ellwanger.tv> wrote:
> In article <_j3Nl.94$5F2...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
> Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>
>>> I have only mild outrage about one scene in particular (which was
>>> in the trailer anyway, so it wasn't unexpected, which muted my
>>> outrage even more).
That one PDA scene that takes place on a transporter platform? I
guess they'll have to add a button that drops a Remote-Operated
Obscuring Macrozone over the relevant area!
>> What the obligatory "Green-skinned alien female" gag (thus making it the
>> first time in the canon Kirk actually *did*, unless we discount that
>> this's alternate canon)?
>
> No. I'm all in favor of scantily clad green-skinned alien females.
Apparently, those rumors about "the green ones" are all true! (makes
note to self)
(along with those about "mouth-breathing captains-in-training" :-))
> I was referring to the "li'l Kirk drives a Corvette into a canyon in
> Iowa after taking a call from Greg Grunberg on his Nokia cell phone"
> scene.
Ah, that must be from the rain off the MOUNTAINS OF ILLINOIS! (what
movie had those, anyway?)
-Doug Elrod (dre1@cornell.edu)
Um, so now we have a large angry BLACK HOLE... Problem solved, I
guess?
That movie was: The Beginning of the End (with Peter Graves). As I recall,
one of their comments was "this is sooo NOT Illinois". I'm guessing the
actual filming was done somewhere in the San Fernando Valley, Ojai, or
Thousand Oaks, CA. The terrain certainly looks familiar.
Tom Carberry (#45505)
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [small spoilers] [message #175136 is a reply to message #175026] |
Mon, 11 May 2009 21:15 |
Jim Ellwanger
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In article <6M1Ol.280$z4.57016@okeanos.csu.net>,
"Tom Carberry" <jtj0012@134.139.2.10> wrote:
> "Doug Elrod" <dre1@cornell.edu> wrote in message
> news:5a14d082-61cf-43de-91af-caaad752172c@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ah, that must be from the rain off the MOUNTAINS OF ILLINOIS! (what
> movie had those, anyway?)
>
> That movie was: The Beginning of the End (with Peter Graves). As I recall,
> one of their comments was "this is sooo NOT Illinois". I'm guessing the
> actual filming was done somewhere in the San Fernando Valley, Ojai, or
> Thousand Oaks, CA. The terrain certainly looks familiar.
"The Rebel Set" also had mountains in Illinois (or, at least, portions
of Wisconsin or Indiana that one could easily get to from Chicago while
waiting for a connecting train).
--
Jim Ellwanger <usenet@ellwanger.tv>
<http://www.ellwanger.tv> welcomes you daily.
"The days turn into nights; at night, you hear the trains."
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [message #175139 is a reply to message #175020] |
Tue, 12 May 2009 10:37 |
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Derek Janssen <ejanss1@nospam.verizon.net> writes:
> Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>>>> I was referring to the "li'l Kirk drives a Corvette into a canyon in
>>>> Iowa after taking a call from Greg Grunberg on his Nokia cell phone"
>>>> scene.
>>>
>>> I was straining not to make the obvious comparisons to the same opening
>>> of Disney's "Treasure Planet". ^_^
>>
>> So YOU'RE the one who saw "Treasure Planet"!
> Never underestimate that the future generation is too young to have
> heard of box-office grosses, and the kids in our house now ASK to see
> "Hercules" and "Treasure Planet" on DVD.
> ...Revenge is best served in the longrun. ;)
Hey, I saw it too. Disney Channel Southeast Asia for some reason
figured it should run _Treasure Planet_ even more than it ran _Monsters
Inc_ or _Dinosaur_, if you can imagine.
> Derek Janssen (I mean, couldn't Young Kirk have gotten one of those
> anti-gravity cycles, 'r something?)
They really under-applied the hover and force field technology,
as I see it. At a minimum they could have had a flying Corvette.
Still, the whole car-ruining scene was very important to the plot
what with how it established ... uhm ... that important plot point that
it did, I suppose.
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [small spoilers] [message #175141 is a reply to message #175024] |
Tue, 12 May 2009 10:44 |
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Doug Elrod <dre1@cornell.edu> writes:
> On May 9, 2:18=A0am, Jim Ellwanger <use...@ellwanger.tv> wrote:
>> I was referring to the "li'l Kirk drives a Corvette into a canyon in
>> Iowa after taking a call from Greg Grunberg on his Nokia cell phone"
>> scene.
> Ah, that must be from the rain off the MOUNTAINS OF ILLINOIS! (what
> movie had those, anyway?)
And the _Star Trek 2009_ canyon was in this case some sort of
industrially-dug hole --- in the longer glances you can see it's a
rectangular hole with a basically flat bottom --- where, I suppose the
soy of the future is mined to become the starships of today.
> -Doug Elrod (dre1@cornell.edu)
> Um, so now we have a large angry BLACK HOLE... Problem solved, I
> guess?
Ah, but you see, it's only a black hole because of the red matter.
When they pour in the cyan matter, magenta matter, and yellow matter, then
it'll be a nice red planet again.
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| Re: So, who's outraged about the new Trek movie? [small spoilers] [message #175142 is a reply to message #175141] |
Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01 |
Doug Elrod
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On May 12, 10:44 am, nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
> Doug Elrod <d...@cornell.edu> writes:
>> On May 9, 2:18=A0am, Jim Ellwanger <use...@ellwanger.tv> wrote:
>>> I was referring to the "li'l Kirk drives a Corvette into a canyon in
>>> Iowa after taking a call from Greg Grunberg on his Nokia cell phone"
>>> scene.
>> Ah, that must be from the rain off the MOUNTAINS OF ILLINOIS! (what
>> movie had those, anyway?)
>
> And the _Star Trek 2009_ canyon was in this case some sort of
> industrially-dug hole --- in the longer glances you can see it's a
> rectangular hole with a basically flat bottom --- where, I suppose the
> soy of the future is mined to become the starships of today.
Ah, if it were whale-shaped, there would be a possible crossover with
"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".... MONTGOMERY SCOTT, inventor of
the ELECTRONIC THUMB! :-)
>> -Doug Elrod (d...@cornell.edu)
>> Um, so now we have a large angry BLACK HOLE... Problem solved, I
>> guess?
>
> Ah, but you see, it's only a black hole because of the red matter.
> When they pour in the cyan matter, magenta matter, and yellow matter, then
> it'll be a nice red planet again.
Don't forget Alma Matter, er *Mater*! ;-)
-Doug Elrod (dre1@cornell.edu)
Who knew Red Finger-Paint could be such a potent planet-destroying
force?
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