| MSTing help [message #174550] |
Tue, 28 April 2009 11:48  |
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Originally posted by: mst3kluv
No, this is not about Twilight.
I'm planning to MST the script of the 1996 version of Romeo and
Juliet, and what I wanted to know is, how do you format a Msting, so
that you can tell the difference between the MSTing and the actual
text?
Next question is how do you know when you need to start another part
of a MSTing? (like some MStings are shown in multiple parts, how do
you know when to do that)
Thanks
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| Re: MSTing help [message #174551 is a reply to message #174550] |
Tue, 28 April 2009 13:28  |
nebusj-
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mst3kluv <liviat@shaw.ca> writes:
> No, this is not about Twilight.
> I'm planning to MST the script of the 1996 version of Romeo and
> Juliet, and what I wanted to know is, how do you format a Msting, so
> that you can tell the difference between the MSTing and the actual
> text?
Most folks fall back on Usenet-style presentation of the
original with a > mark ahead, and then put the original matter on its
own lines. As an example, from _A Royal Mess, Part II_, consider:
> Doctor Beverly Picard had
> just arrived from sickbay and checking on her patients,
Tom: Seeing as how she's a doctor and all.
> and sat to her
> husband's left.
Mike: (gruffly) 'Cause she was a woman!
> Counselor Troi had spent last night counseling the Queen
> of Essex,
Tom: Counseling... heh heh...
> and now was next to the Doctor. Lieutenant Commander LaForge
> was next on the Counselor's right.
Crow: (as Beverly) Her *other* right, Geordi.
Tom: (as Geordi) Sorry, sorry.
[ http://www.nebusresearch.com/mst3000/episode.php?id=5&pa ge=* ]
People are split on whether the Brains' names should be set
in capitals or not; I prefer putting them in all-caps because that is
closer to script format and makes it harder for the eye to accidentally
elide from the end of one line to another. There are similar splits on
whether to include stage directions, such as the (as Beverly) parts, in
parentheses or brackets. I prefer brackets, but that doesn't by itself
make everyone else wrong.
When a line of the original does get broken usually spaces get
inserted to the continuation, although in web page rendering that'll
often be obscured by the curious nature of HTML.
> Next question is how do you know when you need to start another part
> of a MSTing? (like some MStings are shown in multiple parts, how do
> you know when to do that)
You should split the piece into two or more parts when what you
have is too long to be read at once. My preference is, when writing one
that matches the format of the show --- with four long theater segments
and six host sketches --- to cut where they would in the actual show:
after the first theater/third host segment, after the second theater
segment, and after the third theater/fifth host segment. If it's a
*really* long feature, then I'd prefer splitting it midway between the
host segments. My sense of 'this is too long' seems to be triggered at
about a thousand lines of text.
However, there really aren't rules. Really, when it feels like
a single file is longer than you'd be likely to read on Usenet, that's
when to cut. They're easy to reassemble for web page publication anyway.
(In fact, one of the nagging coding problems I had to figure out for the
little Still-Store site there was how to show MiSTings that started out
as multiple-part pieces.)
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Joseph Nebus
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| Re: MSTing help [message #174552 is a reply to message #174550] |
Thu, 30 April 2009 07:55 |
Chris \"Sampo\&q
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In article
<9db69501-786b-4004-8af9-6c03d55d2d93@v35g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
mst3kluv <liviat@shaw.ca> wrote:
> No, this is not about Twilight.
>
> I'm planning to MST the script of the 1996 version of Romeo and
> Juliet, and what I wanted to know is, how do you format a Msting, so
> that you can tell the difference between the MSTing and the actual
> text?
>
> Next question is how do you know when you need to start another part
> of a MSTing? (like some MStings are shown in multiple parts, how do
> you know when to do that)
>
> Thanks
Can I just say that every time I read one of your posts, I picture a guy
in a hard-hat walking up to a stranger and saying: "I'm gonna build a
skyscraper! How do you rivet steel?" May I respectfully suggest that you
learn to crawl before you enter a triathlon? Find smaller pieces and try
your hand. Get feedback from people. Read a LOT of other MSTings.
Leaping into riffing Shakespeare, for goodness sake, is ambitious, sure,
but you've chosen a pretty big undertaking when you admit you don't even
know to format what you're doing.
Sampo (just my $0.02)
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| Re: MSTing help [message #174664 is a reply to message #174552] |
Mon, 04 May 2009 12:46 |
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Originally posted by: mst3kluv
On Apr 30, 4:55 am, "Chris \"Sampo\" Cornell" <msa...@aol.com> wrote:
> In article
> <9db69501-786b-4004-8af9-6c03d55d2...@v35g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
>
> mst3kluv <liv...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> No, this is not about Twilight.
>
>> I'm planning to MST the script of the 1996 version of Romeo and
>> Juliet, and what I wanted to know is, how do you format a Msting, so
>> that you can tell the difference between the MSTing and the actual
>> text?
>
>> Next question is how do you know when you need to start another part
>> of a MSTing? (like some MStings are shown in multiple parts, how do
>> you know when to do that)
>
>> Thanks
>
> Can I just say that every time I read one of your posts, I picture a guy
> in a hard-hat walking up to a stranger and saying: "I'm gonna build a
> skyscraper! How do you rivet steel?" May I respectfully suggest that you
> learn to crawl before you enter a triathlon? Find smaller pieces and try
> your hand. Get feedback from people. Read a LOT of other MSTings.
> Leaping into riffing Shakespeare, for goodness sake, is ambitious, sure,
> but you've chosen a pretty big undertaking when you admit you don't even
> know to format what you're doing.
>
> Sampo (just my $0.02)
I have another question (As for the MSTing I've chosen a post from
another forum that I go to.) What program do you use to format your
MSTings? I used Microsoft Word 2007, but when I tried Joseph Nebus's
MSTing formater on his website, it displayed a bunch of gibberish.
What am I doing wrong? (The MSTing in question should be done soon)
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| Re: MSTing help [message #174665 is a reply to message #174664] |
Mon, 04 May 2009 13:15 |
nebusj-
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mst3kluv <liviat@shaw.ca> writes:
> I have another question (As for the MSTing I've chosen a post from
> another forum that I go to.) What program do you use to format your
> MSTings? I used Microsoft Word 2007, but when I tried Joseph Nebus's
> MSTing formater on his website, it displayed a bunch of gibberish.
> What am I doing wrong? (The MSTing in question should be done soon)
Offhand, I expect the problem is you stepped in the Microsoft.
My MiSTing formatter does assume that you're uploading a raw,
plain text file with pure ASCII; Word has undoubtedly clogged your file
with all manner of bizarre glyphs so that anything you really wanted to
have erased is still lurking waiting to embarrass you.
I'd recommend opening the file in WordPad (it's somewhere in the
'Accessories' menu from the Start button) and saving it as a 'Text
Document', which will undoubtedly make the Microsoft complain that you
are at risk of losing all your formatting instructions. Since you don't
want formatting instructions this is a good thing, but try telling the
Microsoft that.
For my MiSTings I usually use emacs (if I'm working from a remote
computer) or TextWrangler, which is a nice plain-text editor, but that's
coming from the Mac universe. I don't know of equivalent programs with as
generally nice a set of features for the Windows world. (Well, I know that
emacs is ported to Windows, but emacs is not something to inflict on the
casual user. Or the experienced.)
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Joseph Nebus
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| Re: MSTing help [message #174668 is a reply to message #174665] |
Mon, 04 May 2009 18:10 |
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Originally posted by: mst3kluv
On May 4, 10:15 am, nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
> mst3kluv <liv...@shaw.ca> writes:
>> I have another question (As for the MSTing I've chosen a post from
>> another forum that I go to.) What program do you use to format your
>> MSTings? I used Microsoft Word 2007, but when I tried Joseph Nebus's
>> MSTing formater on his website, it displayed a bunch of gibberish.
>> What am I doing wrong? (The MSTing in question should be done soon)
>
> Offhand, I expect the problem is you stepped in the Microsoft.
>
> My MiSTing formatter does assume that you're uploading a raw,
> plain text file with pure ASCII; Word has undoubtedly clogged your file
> with all manner of bizarre glyphs so that anything you really wanted to
> have erased is still lurking waiting to embarrass you.
>
> I'd recommend opening the file in WordPad (it's somewhere in the
> 'Accessories' menu from the Start button) and saving it as a 'Text
> Document', which will undoubtedly make the Microsoft complain that you
> are at risk of losing all your formatting instructions. Since you don't
> want formatting instructions this is a good thing, but try telling the
> Microsoft that.
>
> For my MiSTings I usually use emacs (if I'm working from a remote
> computer) or TextWrangler, which is a nice plain-text editor, but that's
> coming from the Mac universe. I don't know of equivalent programs with as
> generally nice a set of features for the Windows world. (Well, I know that
> emacs is ported to Windows, but emacs is not something to inflict on the
> casual user. Or the experienced.)
>
> --
> Joseph Nebus
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------
I figured it out my self,(had to save it as a txt file), but thanks
anyway. You've been very helpful in answering my questions.
Thanks
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