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Originally posted by: mblackwl
Mystery Usenet Theater 3000
The Wasp Woman Review
By Stuart Galbraith IV
Misted by Matt Blackwell
[The Satellite of Love]
[Mike, Tom and Crow stand uneasily behind the console.]
Mike: [haltingly] Hey all. Welcome back to the Satellite of Love. Er,
again. Even though I'm pretty sure that we're still off the air.
Crow: Have been for years in fact.
Tom: I dunno. I get the feeling that I've been sitting on a beach,
sipping mamosas and getting ready to make fun of a pirate movie.
Crow: Huh. Me too. Plus I get the feeling that people are screaming
at me to finish something starting with "Endea...".
[Mike seems to make a quick kicking motion underneath the console. A
muffled "Ow!" can be heard.]
Mike: Anyway, we've been called back into duty to provide a
counterpoint to a recent review of a DVD. So, we've got review
sign.
[The lights flash. Mike hits a button and the door sequence begins.]
[6 . . . 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .]
[The trio enters and takes their seats.]
> The Wasp Woman (Cinematic Titanic version)
Crow: Wow. These director’s cuts get weirder and weirder names
every year.
> Goodtimes // Unrated //
Tom: Well, most goodtimes are. Heh, heh, heh.
> August 30, 2005 // Region 0
Mike: I've met Representative Noone, who represents that Region.
Nice guy. Kind of an empty suit though.
> List Price: $4.98 [Buy now and save at Eztakes]
Tom: Ez-Steaks! Food for the cooking challenged!
> Review by Stuart Galbraith IV | posted September 7, 2008 | E-mail the
> Author | Discuss
Crow: So, are we to discuss e-mailing the author?
Mike: No, I think it's just a general call for discussion. Maybe of
Finnish poetry.
>
> Poor Roger Corman.
Tom: Death Race didn't do so well in release, huh?
> First Retromedia plasters his face across The
> Roger Corman Puerto Rico Trilogy, three public domain titles in eye-
> straining, at times literally out-of-focus transfers,
Crow: Well, it was part of their "Astigmatism Friendly" line of DVDs.
> then BCI slaps
> his puss even more prominently on the cover of The Cult Films of Roger
> Corman, a ten-film set of unwatchable transfers that might have been
> mastered in somebody's tool shed.
Mike; Ironically, Corman originally filmed them in a tool shed.
Crow: They still made money though!
> He had nothing to do with either
> release. Now comes something like the 25th DVD incarnation (no
> foolin') of Corman's The Wasp Woman (1959), about a middle-aged
> cosmetics company president (Susan Cabot) and her search for eternal
> youth.
Tom: Which somehow lead her to adopt a trio of streetwise runaways,
a talking dog and a hobo who thinks he's Napoleon...
> I requested the title naively hoping this extremely low budget
> but somewhat interesting film might look better than its earlier
> public domain releases, and to some degree it does; while far from
> perfect, it's an entirely watchable presentation. If only.
Crow: Cue the string section and the crying Indian...
>
>
> Turns out this Wasp Woman has been adapted as a self-described "movie
> riffing show" by a label calling itself Cinematic Titanic.
Mike: I've never heard of this before, and yet I feel that people
who like me should instinctively hate this.
Crow: Yeah. Like anyone likes you.
> It's
> essentially Mystery Science Theater 3000 in all but name,
Tom: So it's a celebration of all that is good and pure in the
world then?
> as it
> features that program's original cast, also the label's owners: Joel
> Hodgson,
Mike: As "The Other Guy!"
> Trace Beaulieu,
Crow: As "The Guy Whose Name Got Pulled Out of a Scrabble Bag!"
> and J. Elvis Weinstein,
Tom: As "No, The Other J. Weinstein!"
> as well as Mary Jo
> Pehl
Crow: Who's the most A-Pehl-ling member of the cast!
> and Frank Conniff.
Mike: Who's like a god unto men.
Tom: Yes, all shall bow down before he who is Frank!
>
> The format is in all essentials unchanged: As the movie unspools,
> this quintet of would-be comics appear in silhouette at the bottom and
> sides of the screen - not recommended for plasma TV owners; you may be
> permanently burning them into your TV screen!
Mike: Personally, I can't help but think that Two and a Half Men
might be improved with burned in riffers on the screen.
> - cracking wise, almost
> non-stop, at the action partially blocked onscreen.
Tom: As all good cinematographers frame things to focus on the lower
corners of the screen.
> There are
> tasteless jokes about Susan Cabot's real-life murder, every lame
> bee/wasp joke imaginable
Mike: After "SNL" and "Bee Movie", I wouldn't think there'd be any
left to use.
> ("Music by Sting!" says one performer;
Tom: But that was an ironic reference to the wrestler's failed
singing career!
> "Buzzzzzz!" cries another; "Many, many bees were harmed in the making
> of this movie!" quips a third), and innumerable obvious pop culture
> references, everything from The Andy Griffith Show to Monty Python's
> Flying Circus, which someone quotes at length like a geeky fan.
Crow: Five people, one of whom constantly makes Python references?
Sound like they're a bag of Cheetos away from being a group
of D&D players.
>
> There seems to be no middle ground with shows like this;
Mike: There was a DMZ, but that got destroyed in the great
"Wonderfalls: Lame or Extra Super Great?" debate of ought 4.
> you either
> love 'em or hate 'em.
Tom: It’s the “Ketchup on Hot Dogs” of TV shows!
> DVD Talk's Brian Orndorf is clearly an admirer
Crow: And angels shall descend from the heavens and praise his name.
> but for this reviewer, setting aside the ethical problems of such
> shows for a moment, it's the cinematic equivalent of having bamboo
> splinters jammed up under the fingernails.
Mike: So it's like "White Chicks" then?
> I've sat through some
> pretty dire comedies over the years - Joe De Rita's solo two-reelers,
> endless Joe McDoakes shorts, Invasion of the Star Creatures, Loose
> Cannons, Nothing But Trouble (both versions!) - but this was 70-plus
> minutes of sheer agony, utterly mirthless.
Tom: In fact, it created a zone of "anti-comedy" that turned my
Marx Brothers DVDs into videos of burning fireplace logs.
Crow: But it was still better than "Disaster Movie!"
> Despite its brief length it
> took me three days to get through it; even in short doses I thought it
> would never end.
Mike: Have you tried the new movie watching aid, booze?
Tom: Side effects may include vomiting, headaches and unplanned
marriages.
>
> One man's meat is another man's poison, I suppose, but what's so
> clever about sneering at an old movie, rattling off extremely obvious,
> condescending comments at the easy targets onscreen?
Crow: I suppose it's as clever as writing snarky comments about
movies.
> I've watched
> ordinary "civilians" with no show business ambitions effortlessly come
> up with funnier ad-libs than this fivesome's scripted material.*
Tom: I can just picture him wandering through a gallery muttering,
"My kid can draw better crap than this."
>
> It's as if people like Hodgson et.al., lack the talent to create
> their own, original comedy, so instead like parasites they latch onto
> the efforts of others.
Mike: Oh, they're producers.
> People like Hodgson prefer to describe what
> they do as "[riffing] the movies we love," but that's really just a
> euphemism for contempt-laden mockery.
Tom: I thought a euphemism for contempt-laden mockery was “Viva La
Bam.”
Mike: It’s a phrase with many synonyms.
> Maybe what I find so unfunny
> about a show like this is that while on one hand it's a type of humor
> rooted in an attitude of superiority - We're so much hipper than that
> garbage -
Crow: Well, it's a good thing that you're so much better than those
philistines then.
> yet the unfunny material utterly contradicts that assertion
> because it's on such an anti-creative level.**
Tom: Oooh! Two starred anti-creativeness! That's "Mama's Family"
uncreativity!
>
> The movies that serve as the backdrops for these shows usually are in
> the public domain - if Casablanca or The Wizard of Oz were PD, I
> guarantee you they'd be "riffed," too
Mike: I suppose that's worse than having Joel Schumaker or David
Hogan
make a movie "Inspired by" the original.
> - and for this reason the
> original creators and/or their heirs do not receive licensing fees,
> nor is their permission required to make fun of their work.
Tom: ...which would be the definition of public domain.
> (To its
> credit, though possibly to avoid legal trouble, Cinematic Titanic
> admits this in a disclaimer up-front.)
Crow: Hmm. Should I ascribe any positive traits to my foes? Nah.
If they did something good, they must have ulterior motives.
Mike: Congrats, Crow. You’ve described politics in twenty words.
> Some would argue that the
> movies appearing on these shows are lousy anyway, so what difference
> does it make?
Tom: And some would argue about information being free and then
we'd be knee deep in talk about Kazaa, DRM and Linux.
> But that's not only missing the point it ignores the
> facts that a) often that's not the case - The Wasp Woman, for
> instance, is now generally regarded as a minor but interesting
> programmer, well-made for its budget, with proto-feminist elements -
Mike: Well, it's regarded that way by me and that's what really
counts.
> and b) the vast majority of people working in the world of cheap
> movies were trying their best with the money and time available to
> them.
Crow: Well, since this is being typed on a cheap computer using
Wordpad
obviously it should be held in the same regard as "Hamlet" since
we're trying.
Mike: Ah. Fourth wall breakage. Just like riding a bike.
> (Producer Jerry Warren was a notable exception.) Could the folks
> at Cinematic Titanic do better under similar circumstances? Probably
> not.
Tom: Yeah, they'd probably do some lame horror film about a killer
fisherman.
Crow: Or a TV show about a wheel.
Mike: Or some cartoon about alien invaders.
Crow: Or a TV show where people get hit in the groin with a football.
Mike: That doesn't help our argument, Crow.
Crow: Oh. Or a TV show about disaffected high schoolers in the 70s?
Tom: Better.
Mike: Or some lame podcast download site that makes fun of movies.
Tom: Yeah. Stupid folks.
>
> Another problem I have with shows like this is that they perpetuate
> unnecessarily negative misperceptions about old movies,
Mike: Such as that some of them suck?
> the kind of
> backward thinking that causes some to avoid black and white movies
> because they're not in color, or silent movies because they don't have
> "sound."
Crow: Or Michael Bay films because they lack "plot."
> For a while, during MST3K's peak, even less talented
> imitators were encouraged to try their hand at public showings of old
> movies, whether invited to do so or not.
Mike: These people were generally referred to as "dickweeds."
> Making fun of old movies
> because they don't have exactly the same conventions, technology, and
> visual style of present-day films is truly odious thinking, and a real
> disservice to impressionable viewers (pre-teens are probably a big
> portion of this label's audience)
Tom: Yes, the pre-teens who weren't alive when the show aired are
naturally the best audience for this.
Mike: They're who the "Fibber McGee and Molly" DVDs are aimed at too.
> who, partly thanks to shows like
> these, develop prejudices against old movies generally, except as
> things to be derided.
Crow: It certainly can't be due to people saying, "Hmmm. That guy
likes
it. Do I really want to be associated with him?"
>
> Video & Audio
Mike: Two things which this misting lacks!
>
> As mentioned above, if you own a plasma TV, this edition of The Wasp
> Woman is not for you; there's a good chance it'll burn a permanent
> silhouette of the cast on your TV.
Crow: Geez. Where did you buy your TV from? Guatemala?
> (Me, I'd rather have the CNN logo
> or the "Bilko" on the Sgt. Bilko DVD menu screen.)
Tom: Well, I never thought that I'd find someone with a Sgt. Bilko
fetish, but this is the internet...
> The movie itself is
> full frame, and a halfway decent print, not that it matters in the
> slightest.
Mike: Because I had my eyes shut and my hands over my ears and was
singing "La,la,la. I'm not watching!" until the accursed movie
was over.
> If you want to see the movie, not the show - don't buy
> this.
Crow: This advice and more in this week's issue of "Duh!" magazine!
> The original film in its original form is not available here. If
> it had been, I might have been inclined to recommend the DVD just for
> that. There are no subtitle or alternate audio options, and no Extra
> features.
All: Gasp!
Mike: No trailers?
Tom: No interactive menus?
Crow: No cast and crew bios?
Mike: Not even a scene selection?
All: Gasp!
Crow: Technically, isn't this considered to be a commentary though?
Mike: Hush.
>
> Parting Thoughts
>
> The Wasp Woman deserves better. Hell, even Manos, the Hands of Fate
> deserves better.
Tom: Ooh. Spoken like a man who hasn't seen it. Several dozen times.
Day after day. Watching it over and over and over....
Crow: He's flashbacking, Mike.
Mike: I got it. Tom! Look! It's Joey Pantoliano!
Tom: Joey Pants? Where?
Mike: See? Back to normal.
> Skip It.
Crow: Or watch it, if you haven't had your humor surgically removed,
like our author has.
>
>
>
>
> * My favorite to this day remains something writer Christopher Potter
> (or maybe Jeff Mortimer)
Mike: Or perhaps it was Mortimer Christopher.
Tom: Stuart, namedropping only works if we actually know who the hell
these people are.
> said at an Oscar Party I attended, when
> Sophia Loren came onstage to present an award. "I remember my first
> Oscar..." she started to say, when he continued, "'I was 13, he was
> 15.'"
>
Crow: Wow. That certainly puts everything that I've ever said to
shame.
> ** I wrote an anti-Mystery Science Theater 3000 column for The Ann
> Arbor News almost 20 years ago, an article that actually prompted its
> own so-called MSTing, a "riff" still easily accessible on the Net.
Tom: Yes, the internet. Dredging up your stupid statements from the
past. FOREVER!
> Like the TV show its worst offense is that it...just...ain't...funny.
Tom: This must be an alternate definition of "Funny" that I'm not
familiar with.
Crow: With which I am not familiar, Tom.
Mike: Crow, you've known Tom longer than I have.
Crow: Nevermind.
>
>
>
>
> This month Stuart Galbraith IV celebrates his 5th Anniversary at DVD
> Talk. You can read the very first review here.
Mike: Or, you could read the response to it over here:
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.tv.mst3k/msg/5a6c6eed93806 19f?dmode=source
Tom: Let's roll.
Crow: Do you think Stuart's still mad that I told him to bite me?
Mike: Nah. It's been 15 years. No one holds a grudge for that long.
Tom: Should we do an ending host segment?
Mike: It'd be a better tribute to the first one if we just end with
a...
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Mystery Usenet 3000: "The Wasp Woman (Cinematic Titanic version)"
Written by Stuart Galbraith IV
Misting by Matt Blackwell
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9/10/08
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| Re: [Misting] A Review of Wasp Woman (1/1) [message #166605 is a reply to message #166487] |
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mblackwl@gmail.com writes:
> Mystery Usenet Theater 3000
> The Wasp Woman Review
> By Stuart Galbraith IV
Oh, a wonderful piece and thank you for MiSTing it so swiftly.
I may have something for you to look over, too, shortly. Just a warning.
For those not in on the game, Stuart Galbraith IV's ancient
_Hopping Mad Over MST3K_, referred herein, appears to be the earliest
MiSTing anyone's found.
>> then BCI slaps
>> his puss even more prominently on the cover of The Cult Films of Roger
>> Corman, a ten-film set of unwatchable transfers that might have been
>> mastered in somebody's tool shed.
> Mike; Ironically, Corman originally filmed them in a tool shed.
> Crow: They still made money though!
Now, that's the first riff that got me snorting aloud, not that
the whole thing wasn't funny.
>> "Buzzzzzz!" cries another; "Many, many bees were harmed in the making
>> of this movie!" quips a third), and innumerable obvious pop culture
>> references, everything from The Andy Griffith Show to Monty Python's
>> Flying Circus, which someone quotes at length like a geeky fan.
> Crow: Five people, one of whom constantly makes Python references?
> Sound like they're a bag of Cheetos away from being a group
> of D&D players.
That's the big laugh, by my reading. Others may have alternate
opinions.
>> Another problem I have with shows like this is that they perpetuate
>> unnecessarily negative misperceptions about old movies,
> Mike: Such as that some of them suck?
That's another one that I like.
>> As mentioned above, if you own a plasma TV, this edition of The Wasp
>> Woman is not for you; there's a good chance it'll burn a permanent
>> silhouette of the cast on your TV.
> Crow: Geez. Where did you buy your TV from? Guatemala?
His silhouette fears are certainly the weirdest part of the
whole thing. I mean, the whole thing is weird, but a burn-in from a
90-minute movie? Good grief.
>> If you want to see the movie, not the show - don't buy
>> this.
> Crow: This advice and more in this week's issue of "Duh!" magazine!
I can't finger just what it is but something about the line
strikes me as off. I mean, it's an appropriate riff, I just think it
hasn't quite got Crow's voice somehow. I think I keep reading the
line with strong emphasis on 'this' both times, and the line feels
out of balance somehow because of it. Maybe if 'issue of' were struck.
>> * My favorite to this day remains something writer Christopher Potter
>> (or maybe Jeff Mortimer)
> Mike: Or perhaps it was Mortimer Christopher.
> Tom: Stuart, namedropping only works if we actually know who the hell
> these people are.
Good development of the joke, too.
>> Like the TV show its worst offense is that it...just...ain't...funny.
> Tom: This must be an alternate definition of "Funny" that I'm not
> familiar with.
> Crow: With which I am not familiar, Tom.
> Mike: Crow, you've known Tom longer than I have.
> Crow: Nevermind.
I like the sewn confusion too.
> Keep circulating the posts.
I'm trying, I'm trying. There's only so much I can do effectively
and I can't even do that.
--
Joseph Nebus
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