| VICE forums [message #142136] |
Sun, 23 April 2006 05:10  |
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Originally posted by: xlar54
I frequent the VICE download site, just to see if there is any new
versions out, and started to wonder why they havent updated the site to
allow forum posting. Am I missing something, or is this something that
would definitely be utilized? VICE is the best CBM emulator out there
IMHO, and it just seems kinda sad that there isnt a really cool message
forum and site hosting it all. I suppose one could put together an
unofficial site. What do you guys think?
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142137 is a reply to message #142136] |
Sun, 23 April 2006 08:45  |
Fabrizio Gennari
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xlar54 ha scritto:
> I frequent the VICE download site, just to see if there is any new
> versions out, and started to wonder why they havent updated the site to
> allow forum posting. Am I missing something, or is this something that
> would definitely be utilized? VICE is the best CBM emulator out there
> IMHO, and it just seems kinda sad that there isnt a really cool message
> forum and site hosting it all.
Also needed would be:
- public archives of devel mailing list
- public read-only CVS access
The VICE development team isn't exactly the most transparent open-source
development team around. Anyway, the VICE emulator is very good
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142138 is a reply to message #142137] |
Sun, 23 April 2006 11:23 |
Spiro Trikaliotis
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Hello,
Fabrizio Gennari <fabrizio.ge@nospam> wrote:
> xlar54 ha scritto:
>> I frequent the VICE download site, just to see if there is any new
>> versions out, and started to wonder why they havent updated the site to
>> allow forum posting.
Why do you need a forum? Just write here in c.e.c. The traffic is not
that high that c.e.c would be unreadable if some people would post here.
Personally, and I think I agree with most VICE developers, I don't like
forums at all. I like to use the tool I chose, not the tool some
webmaster chose.
> Also needed would be:
> - public archives of devel mailing list
> - public read-only CVS access
Why would you need something like this?
> The VICE development team isn't exactly the most transparent
> open-source development team around.
Yes, this is true. But, where are the disadvantages for the end-user? I
lack to see them.
Regards,
Spiro.
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Spiro R. Trikaliotis http://cbm4win.sf.net/
http://www.trikaliotis.net/ http://www.viceteam.org/
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142139 is a reply to message #142138] |
Sun, 23 April 2006 12:52 |
Fabrizio Gennari
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Spiro Trikaliotis ha scritto:
>> - public archives of devel mailing list
>> - public read-only CVS access
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> Why would you need something like this?
The mailing list archives would be nice to see the latest trends in
development, search for bug fixes etc.
The CVS archive would be useful for advanced users who can compile from
source, in order to have the very latest version without waiting for a
release. Releases are 1-2 months apart for each other, CVS commits are
much more frequent.
If there were no advantage for users, why so many open source projects
do that?
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142140 is a reply to message #142139] |
Sun, 23 April 2006 15:20 |
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Originally posted by: xlar54
Id have to agree. Certainly there isnt anything that cant be done
without forums, but I just think it would do a couple of things...first
off, i think it would show the developers just how much of a user base
they really have - which is support for them. Secondly, it would allow
us as users to come together with organized requests and support issues
- and perhaps fixes. To a certain problem, Ive seen a number of
different folks come up with a solution, and modify the source code to
address the issue, a rather disorganized way of doing it. And finally,
as simply opinion - VICE and the developers have earned it. The
software is truly excellent work, and I think it deserves more than a
simple black on white text html page. But opinions are like....well you
get the idea...
> The mailing list archives would be nice to see the latest trends in
> development, search for bug fixes etc.
>
> The CVS archive would be useful for advanced users who can compile from
> source, in order to have the very latest version without waiting for a
> release. Releases are 1-2 months apart for each other, CVS commits are
> much more frequent.
>
> If there were no advantage for users, why so many open source projects
> do that?
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142141 is a reply to message #142136] |
Mon, 24 April 2006 06:28 |
Patryk 'Silver Dream
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xlar54 wrote:
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> IMHO, and it just seems kinda sad that there isnt a really cool message
> forum and site hosting it all. I suppose one could put together an
> unofficial site. What do you guys think?
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You seem to be able to use newsreader - what you need a web "forum" for
then? To be completely frank, I am very positive about VICE not having
just-another-lame-webforum and all the "cool" noise on the webpages.
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142142 is a reply to message #142141] |
Mon, 24 April 2006 09:44 |
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Originally posted by: xlar54
Eh well, to each their own I suppose. It should be noted though, that
not everyone even knows about usenet and newreaders.
silverdr wrote:
> xlar54 wrote:
> [...]
>> IMHO, and it just seems kinda sad that there isnt a really cool message
>> forum and site hosting it all. I suppose one could put together an
>> unofficial site. What do you guys think?
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> You seem to be able to use newsreader - what you need a web "forum" for
> then? To be completely frank, I am very positive about VICE not having
> just-another-lame-webforum and all the "cool" noise on the webpages.
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142143 is a reply to message #142140] |
Mon, 24 April 2006 09:59 |
Martijn van Buul
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It occurred to me that xlar54 wrote in comp.emulators.cbm:
> Id have to agree. Certainly there isnt anything that cant be done
> without forums, but I just think it would do a couple of things...first
> off, i think it would show the developers just how much of a user base
> they really have -
What makes you think people will post on the forums/mailinglists of software
they use? I use a lot of software, but I don't post on most of their forums,
nor am I subscribed to most of their mailinglists.
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Martijn van Buul - pino@dohd.org - http://www.stack.nl/~martijnb/
Geek code: G-- - Visit OuterSpace: mud.stack.nl 3333
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it!) but 'That's funny ...' Isaac Asimov
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142144 is a reply to message #142143] |
Mon, 24 April 2006 10:08 |
Christian Potzinger
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Martijn van Buul maltreated the Keyboard with following:
> What makes you think people will post on the forums/mailinglists of
> software they use? I use a lot of software, but I don't post on most
> of their forums, nor am I subscribed to most of their mailinglists.
I can understand you. I "hate" that. When i want Information,
i go looking for it.
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ryl: GKar
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142145 is a reply to message #142138] |
Tue, 25 April 2006 14:00 |
Martin Brunner
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Spiro Trikaliotis schrieb:
> Personally, and I think I agree with most VICE developers, I don't like
> forums at all. I like to use the tool I chose, not the tool some
> webmaster chose.
I have to agree there and mention another point:
There was a game i liked and it suddenly started to have a Web-Forum.
Suddenly about 5 people requested features there all the time. These
features were not representative what the other players (who usually
were on IRC) wanted but since the programmer read about these wishes all
the time in the forum he focussed more on the things mentioned in the
forum.
Since then I'm not sure if a forum is a good idea for certain things.
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142147 is a reply to message #142145] |
Tue, 25 April 2006 17:38 |
Anders Carlsson
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Martin Brunner <konigjh@tin.at> writes:
> the programmer read about these wishes all the time in the forum
I don't think that would be a big problem with VICE. Since the
source code is freely available, people are encouraged to make
whatever personal changes they like and can submit patches to
the VICE team for possible inclusion/adaption to the official
version.
I also don't think a forum would be useful, but maybe some open
bug tracker, so if you encounter a problem with the latest version,
you can check if the VICE team has already been alerted and perhaps
has someone assigned to look at it. Sometimes when I sent bug or
feature requests, I get the feeling they get lost in cyberspace,
and at best someone from the development team contacts me three
months later while going through old email.
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142148 is a reply to message #142138] |
Tue, 25 April 2006 18:59 |
blacky
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Hiya,
"Spiro Trikaliotis" <news-200602@trikaliotis.net> schreef in bericht
news:slrne4n6um.l37.news-200602@news.trikaliotis.net...
> Why do you need a forum? Just write here in c.e.c. The traffic is not
> that high that c.e.c would be unreadable if some people would post here.
I agree, AFAIK most (if not all) of the other VICE team members regularly
check this newsgroup (I know I do).
> Personally, and I think I agree with most VICE developers, I don't like
> forums at all. I like to use the tool I chose, not the tool some
> webmaster chose.
I don't like forums that much either, I like the simplicity and
effectiveness of the news groups. IMHO I don't think that a forum would add
much to the development of VICE, instead it could lead to all kinds of
feature requests, and maybe cause confusion and wasting time (of which we
have little as it is).
>> The VICE development team isn't exactly the most transparent
>> open-source development team around.
Personally I'm glad I'm not transparent ;)
Nah, just kidding, but IMHO the end product doesn't suffer because of that.
Signed, Marco van den Heuvel.
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| Re: VICE forums [message #142149 is a reply to message #142147] |
Tue, 25 April 2006 19:07 |
blacky
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Hiya,
"Anders Carlsson" <anders.carlsson@sfks.se> schreef in bericht
news:wky7xttk01.fsf@sfks.se...
> I also don't think a forum would be useful, but maybe some open
> bug tracker, so if you encounter a problem with the latest version,
> you can check if the VICE team has already been alerted and perhaps
> has someone assigned to look at it. Sometimes when I sent bug or
> feature requests, I get the feeling they get lost in cyberspace,
> and at best someone from the development team contacts me three
> months later while going through old email.
I agree on this point, even though it's like hanging out your dirty laundry
it does make it alot easier if there was some kind of bug-tracking system. I
like to know when I've coded something that has bugs in it, so I can fix the
bugs. I've fixed quit some bugs already and if I knew what other bugs are
still present I might be able to fix some of them.
When an Email arrives on the mailling-list that is about something that I
haven't dealt with I don't respond to it and let the others pick it up, if
the subject is about something I made or dealt with or picked up then I'll
be reacting real quick and fixing the bug(s) (if it's a bug report of
something I made).
So if no-1 reacts because no-1 has time for it, or no-1 has dealt with it
before then I can imagine the person who sent the Email feels like the Email
never even arrived.
Signed, Marco van den Heuvel.
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