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Bootdisk with ntfs4dos & sc? [message #139383] Wed, 08 June 2005 12:42 Go to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Thomas Henkel

Hi!

Today I tried to make a bootdisk with ntfs4dos and star commander without
success. The problem: If ntfs4dos is started, sc gives a "not enough
memory" error and exits.

I also tried to load ntfs4dos to himem via config.sys as described in the
example on

http://www.datapol.de/dpd/prod/ntfs4dos/50013595330b5f815/in dex.html

(it's in german, but the example can be found around the middle of the
page), but sc still gives the low memory error.

Is there a way to run ntfs4dos together with sc? Does anyone have a working
bootdisk for it?

BTW: I tried to run sc from WinXP with different cables (the only cable I
didn't tried as yet is the active cable) and the WinXP/2000 tweak package,
but couldn't get it to recognize any commodore drives (I own a 1541-II and
a 1571 inside a C128d). It works from DOS, but not from windows. So please
don't advise me to run sc from windows. :-)

Tom
Re: Bootdisk with ntfs4dos & sc? [message #139384 is a reply to message #139383] Wed, 08 June 2005 13:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Tom,

If there's not enough memory (and the Commander needs about 500 kbytes of
conventional memory), there's not much you can do... It may be possible
to restructure the source so that significantly less code is kept resident
but then you will experience a lot of swapping (which may be made a bit
more bareable by running the Commander from a RAM disk) so it's not an
option for normal users!

By the way, you might want to test your Windows setup with XCTest as it
already supports the giveio/userport drivers; perhaps, you can find out
how to configure your system so that it lets the Commander access the
Commodore drive. Good luck,

Joe
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Re: Bootdisk with ntfs4dos & sc? [message #139386 is a reply to message #139384] Thu, 09 June 2005 11:35 Go to previous message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Thomas Henkel

On 8 Jun 2005 19:03:25 +0200, Joe Forster/STA wrote:

> By the way, you might want to test your Windows setup with XCTest as it
> already supports the giveio/userport drivers; perhaps, you can find out
> how to configure your system so that it lets the Commander access the
> Commodore drive. Good luck,

I already tested the connection with XCTest and sc some weeks ago without
*any* success. Today XCTest at least recognizes the drive on LPT2 if the
userport driver is started. I don't know what's different from the first
test some weeks ago. All described tests work most of the time but
sometimes (maybe 1 out of 10 cases) the DRIVE-RESET-Test doesn't behave as
it should. If I set reset to low on output, clock, data and reset input are
going low, but return to high after a second and the drive seems to ignore
the low reset line.

Unfortunately the data transfer with sc is still very unreliable. I
configured 'Async Transfer', 'Manual Timeouts' and set the 'Delay value' to
zero for auto detection. I tried all transfer modes but only 'Turbo mode'
seems to work more or less. SC freezes very often while copying or deleting
files or even when reading the directory of a commodore disk. In this case
I have to close the dos window and kill sc the hard way.

This is better than before, when sc didn't recognized the drive at all, but
I still can't use sc seriously under XP, if every other copy fails. If you
still have some idea, how I could get sc working *reliably* within WinXP, I
would be grateful.

Tom
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