Article-I.D.: bbncc5.59
Posted: Mon Sep  2 10:30:20 1985
Date-Received: Wed, 4-Sep-85 05:22:44 EDT
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Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, MA
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Thought I'd try netnews as a last resort.  Can anyone suggest a source
for a Logo II cartridge for the discontinued TI 99/4a home computer?
I've tried all the local software stores, but it seems I'm two years
too late.  Are there any mail order distributors?  Is there still a
user group that might be able to help?

Just out of curiosity, what happens to ROM cartridges when a manufacturer
dumps a home computer or video game?  Since they can't be reprogrammed,
they would appear to have no parts value.  Is there a warehouse somewhere
that's overflowing with cartridges from TI, Coleco's Adam, Intellivision,
Atari, Vectrex, Commodore, IBM's PC Jr., etc.?
	where do they all end up?

	Ed Frankenberry
	ihnp4!bbncca!ezf
	ezf@bbn-unix.ARPA

Article-I.D.: myriasb.476
Posted: Thu Sep  5 11:35:23 1985
Date-Received: Thu, 5-Sep-85 14:13:19 EDT
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Organization: Myrias Research, Edmonton
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[ crunch! crunch! ]

I am responding in news since mail was returned by bellcore with "user
unknown" message. Follows contents of my letter:

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Here in Edmonton is a store which right now is advertising Logo II for
something like 99.95 (Canadian). Its address is "Nova Computerware",
52 Airport Road, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (sorry, no code). Phone
(403) - 452 - 0372. "Phone & mail orders welcome". Open Tue-Sat 1:00 -
5:00 p.m. They have also some other stuff for TI 99.
Please be advised that though I consider Logo II an excellent
implementation - if you take into account space and an architecture
constraints - it has one serious deficiency and one very serious and
annoying bug. 
A deficiency is that you cannot dump your turtle screen to a dot-matrix
printer. Since there is no link to assembler of which I would know I
cannot patch it.
An essence of a bug is a fact that editor accepts lists of limited
length. Since a load from mass storage (like disk) apparently goes
through the editor a net effect is as follows:
   whenever you have program which generates longer lists (like ANIMAL
   for example) and you will save it after running a while, then on
   the next attempt to load it back a system will quietly crash.
You may program around this - like splitting lists into dummy procedures
on save and restoring on load - but this is neither obvious nor
convenient and for sure difficult to explain to kids.
                      ...ihnp4!Alberta!myrias!mj

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I do not have any connections neither with "Nova Computerware" nor TI.
The info on availability only reproduces what I have seen in an ad.