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Re: Linux question [message #25156] Thu, 15 November 2012 19:01 Go to next message
Cameron Kaiser is currently offline  Cameron Kaiser
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> And, believe it or not, there was a time (mid-90's) when Apple was

> actually developing their own flavor of linux, called MKLinux.


I have the last MkLinux disc here. It's Linux. :) Might be interesting to
get that off the ground again for Old World Macs one day.

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Re: Linux question [message #25157 is a reply to message #25156] Thu, 15 November 2012 19:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cameron Kaiser is currently offline  Cameron Kaiser
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> The opnly other one I'm familiar with is HP's HPUX,


AIX is notionally a SysV derivative, but its userland "swings both ways" --
both SysV and BSD options and commands are generally acceptable.

I was a sysadmin for HP-UX and AIX systems back in the day. I liked PA-RISC;
it was a very clean "big RISC," even cleaner in some ways than PowerPC and
prototypical MIPS. I was sorry to see it become another casualty of the
Itanic. I still have a C8000 workstation in my office, the last of the PA-RISC
workstations (HP-UX 11i), and an HP 9000/350 (HP-UX 8). I also inherited an
Apollo 425t but I haven't fired it up yet, so I don't know if it's HP-UX or
DomainOS on it.

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Re: Linux question [message #25179 is a reply to message #25156] Thu, 15 November 2012 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cameron Kaiser is currently offline  Cameron Kaiser
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>> Apple doesn't use the BSD kernel, Apple uses the Mach kernel, both for

>> OS X and for the iPhone OS.

>

> Perhaps true, but Apple Inc acknowledges The Regents of The University of

> California's copyrights, within the kernel itself, and possibly other

> components.


There is some BSD code in the kernel, but the userland is BSD, so that is
probably where much of the credit is owed.

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Re: Linux question [message #25180 is a reply to message #25156] Thu, 15 November 2012 21:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Was there an A/UX version of Photoshop?


No. It ran under the Finder on the Mac "side."

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Re: Linux question [message #25213 is a reply to message #25180] Thu, 15 November 2012 23:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 11/15/12 9:58 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>> Was there an A/UX version of Photoshop?

> No. It ran under the Finder on the Mac "side."

>

found it - not A/UX, it ran on Solaris.

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Re: Linux question [message #25267 is a reply to message #25179] Fri, 16 November 2012 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Subject: Re: Linux question
Date: Friday, 16. November 2012
From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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> There is some BSD code in the kernel, but the userland is BSD, so that is

> probably where much of the credit is owed.


Well, according to Wikipedia, the kernel is a hybrid. It is partly a March 3.0
microkernel and partly a (originally) 4.3BSD monolithic kernel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU

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Re: Linux question [message #25269 is a reply to message #25157] Fri, 16 November 2012 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Subject: Re: Linux question
Date: Friday, 16. November 2012
From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>
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> Itanic …


The newest Itanium seems to be an improvement:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20121108235552_HP _Triples_Performance_of_New_Mission_Critical_Servers_with_Ne w_Itanium_Chips.html

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Re: Linux question [message #25286 is a reply to message #25156] Fri, 16 November 2012 18:11 Go to previous message
Cameron Kaiser is currently offline  Cameron Kaiser
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>> Itanic

>

> The newest Itanium seems to be an improvement:


It can hardly be worse (well, it could; it could be a respray of Merced).
Still, this was a case where HP got too far ahead of itself; compiler
technology still doesn't do a good job with EPIC-VLIW instruction sets,
and the "hard limit" of one instruction per cycle hasn't really been all
that bad in practise as CPUs get more efficient and more of them exist
in one system.

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